Thread 64047096

read it weep, retards

now STFU with your Sig slander

https://youtu.be/tp06nAlXLsg?si=A2fm1AzkysQ-idkF

>glock trigger is pretty much entirely pulled
>P320 goes off with less than 1mm pull
saar, your work is of very low quality

>>64047096 (OP)
>apply pressure to trigger
>guns can be made to fire
WHOA

>>64047096 (OP)
>>*while the sig is on screen*
>>If I pull the trigger 99%, there's enough play to get the extra 1 percent"

This is fundamentally false and a misconstruing of Wyoming Gun Projects claims AND evidence shown. He was able to show that if you moved the trigger less than one millimeter past the wall, the weapon could be made to fire. This isn't "pull the trigger 99%" it's "pull the trigger 1% past the free play, and your weapon is in an unsafe condition (and can stay that way for an extended period of time)".

>>*While the Glock is on screen"
>>"The Glock is a lot harder... Because it has so much play..."
>>Trigger is visibly 99% depressed by the screw

Come on bro. With the Glock, you really did have to pull the trigger 99%. Besides, there isn't a huge history of Glocks going off uncommanded like the Sig. It's the combination of Wyoming Gun Projects experiment PLUS the countless uncommanded discharges, many caught on camera, that is especially damning for SIG.

>>64047191
>This isn't "pull the trigger 99%"
I pulled mine 99% and it still wouldn't fire
It was the M18 version, maybe that makes a difference

>>64047395
An M18 is what killed an airman after he sat down on his desk while it was in a holster

>>64047096 (OP)
>fat guy was able to do it with <1mm press
>fat guy showed that the striker was under so much tension it could discharge when dropped
OP needs to show (a) how much press is required on his glock trigger to drop the striker with the slide (b) whether the trigger safety needs to be pressed as well (c) whether dropping the striker is enough to actually discharge a primer

kinda hilarious to watch in real time as siggers struggle to find a successful cope narrative throwing one thing after another at the wall as each one fails to stick. guess it's time for the whataboutism next

>>64047502
This is the whaddaboutism, glocknades. I do look forward to them looking further back in time for examples of cop single action revolvers going off when jiggled.

>>64047096 (OP)
da/sa is king again?

>>64047639
Always has been

>>64047105
Do you need to use cancer to create triggers?

>>64047096 (OP)
But was the Glock's firing pin safety deactivated enough for it to actually "go off"?

>>64047096 (OP)
>1mm of travel on pretensioned striker assembly sets off gun with slide play
>But look if you pull the non tensioned Glock striker back all the way it does the same thing
Keep me posted on when lint, carbon or manufacturing tolerance pulls your Glock trigger all the way back.

>>64047639
always will be.

Using anything posted to r/SigSauer or the other subsidiary subreddits owned by that one retarded mod by default makes you either a SIG shill or too deep into sunk cost to be taken seriously

>>64047096 (OP)
>I need to overcome the glock trigger safety to get to this point
>sure the sig doesn’t have anything that stops trigger inertia from doing the same thing but it’s the same thing I swear the glock does it too
Dogshit equivalence, video discarded

The siggers are out in full force

>>64047096 (OP)
Made in India saaaar

>>64047650
>>64047733
i ve been eyeing that new 92gts pretty hard

>>64047718
thats something that siggers cant comprehend
most striker guns are essentially double action where you cock the striker while pulling the trigger but the p320 is a pseudo single action with striker fully cocked ready to fire (btw the manual safety does not block the striker which is so retarded i cant understand how tf they put it into mass production)

I like how every pro-SIG argument the last week has just been "Well what about Glocks!?", as if that'll somehow make this shitshow any better.

>>64047872
Siggies entire soul for the past decade is to be the anti-glock

>>64047096 (OP)
Yankee proves sig is good
https://youtu.be/MTmZJVGHIZM

>>64047096 (OP)
As a Sig owner myself, cut the cope dude. You are looking like a plebbitor right now. Or maybe you always were.

>>64047859
Good taste.

>>64047096 (OP)
Anyone with a brain knew this.

>>64047096 (OP)
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64047105
Did you even watch the video? The sig needed to be 99% pulled and the glock did it with less trigger pull. Glock just had way more creep.

>>64047096 (OP)
Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with having a manual safety?
None of this would be an issue in the slightest if these guns had one

>>64048364
Tell that to the dead airman .

>>64047096 (OP)
I love how the discussion has been reduced to arguing WHAT the problem is as if that can get everyone to ignore that there is a problem. *Something* is obviously fucked with 320s, and Sig should be fixing and communicating about that. Instead we have fanboys arguing about Glocks based on a test some rando did in his garage. Glocks aren't currently popping off randomly in holsters, so if you want to deboonk the screw test you should figure out an alternative reason Sigs are going off instead of deflecting

>>64048371
Huh? The gun went off because the manufacturer didn't bother to include a fucking manual safety on it. If the gun had a safety, it wouldn't have gone off regardless of how much it was rattled or dropped and no airmen would have died

Self-Inflicted Gunshot PR team is on overdrive but this was entirely preventable

>>64048382
Actually scratch that, the M18 does actually have one. If the gun went off despite that, it's even more turbofucked than I thought

>>64048382
>didn't bother to include a fucking manual safety on it. If the gun had a safety, it wouldn't have gone off
Just for a laugh, you should google M18 pistol and look at the image results.

>>64047096 (OP)
Sig damage control has been pathetic at best so far. What an unserious company

>>64047096 (OP)
>pull trigger
>it fires
wow compelling argument great work that'll own the libs for sure

>>64047096 (OP)
Go back to shilling for the Gaza genocide.

>>64048394
stfu retard think before you post next time

>>64047871
Stop spreading this fuddlore
https://youtu.be/DBCGdxmILDY

>>64047639
it never stopped

>>64047096 (OP)
It's crazy seeing all this happen now because to me it always seemed really obvious that these kinds of guns without hammers were just asking for accidental discharges.

Stuff like this is why you always treat a gun like it's loaded and ready to go off even when you think it's in a safe condition.

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Sorry, just felt the need to repeat the joke because it really lodged itself in my braincase for some reason and lives there rentfree now
I don't even own guns
It just fucking repeats in my head just like the p320 sigsau repedetly discharges uncommanded
You may delete the post now

>>64047096 (OP)
>Bro if you run a screw into a glock trigger so that it is 99% depressed and wiggle the frame at the same time it might do the same thing SIG does while holstered and not touched

>>64047639
return to SA cocked and locked

>>64047639
>da/sa
i think you meant sa only

>>64047395
the issue is only some of SIG's guns have this issue. Their shit QC has let batchs of parts that would normally have no issues now have issues since the sear is just a little bit shorter but hey Jeff's gun has a slightly longer striker arm so his is fine and John's got a short striker arm but good thing his sear is just a hair longer then its supposed to be so it's still good. Bill's fucking dead though because his were both short and it went off when he put it down.

>>64048715
>SIG does while holstered and not touched
Proof?

Literally a single example?

>>64048848
All the videos of cops walking around and it going off
Here's one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAI_HUZDI0

>but it doesn't count because they aren't standing perfectly still in fear of their own handgun and holding their arms crisscross applesauce
I'm not buying your streetshitting jeet cannon

>>64047639
Always was, always will be.

>>64048622
Lmao as if the 2011s won't ND if dropped from 3 measly feet

So what’s the deal with sig hammer guns? Are those ok or those are fucked too

>>64048785
The issue is when you pull a trigger fucking 99% it takes nothing to make the sear slip. You can do this with literally any gun of any type.

I remember when bait was believable

>>64048756
As long as it's not a CZ Shadow, as these have been known to kill people if they impact the ground. I've seent an AD myself, luckily not one that hit anyone.

>>64049310
I'm just waiting for people to generate AI videos to use as evidence.
Then again I'm not sure it can do something that precise.

>>64048931
that one airman died by placing his gun on the table, and the gun was still in the holster

>>64048352
>Glock has way more creep
That's the trigger cocking the striker you fucking faggot. Why are Siggers disingenuous retards. We have 10 billion polymer framed striker fired pistols on the market yet you faggots insist on risking a surprise sex reassignment surgery for what again? A slightly better trigger pull? It ain't the retarded height over bore or expensive magazines thats for sure

>>64049632
Siggers have never shot a gun before, give them a break.

>>64047096 (OP)
>This ends today.

>>64049645
So that's why they bought a gun that shoots itself

>>64047639
DA is best A

>>64049868
Why green reimu cry?

>>64047096 (OP)
AAAAHAHAHAHA GLOCKFAGS IN DISBELIEF

>>64048489
You can look in the back of a glock and watch the striker get pulled back as you pull the the trigger you retard

>>64050135
It's fuddlore because the striker still has the energy to fire, even without the extra rearward movement. That's what he demonstrates in the video. If the other safeties were to fail, it would be more than capable of discharging a round. While increasing the length of pull (that's all it actually does) can be part of a safety, as it is in true double action guns, the Glocks trigger isn't even remotely heavy enough to be used that way

>>64047424
>sat down on his desk
This is what chairs are for. He probably was the type to put his feet on grandma's coffee table and deserved to die.

I dislike strikers simply because they are gay.

>>64047096 (OP)
This is why we call you sigger

>>64047909
The guy that got punked by the Chop in Seattle while trying to prove it was peaceful.

>>64047096 (OP)
>GUYS LOOK THIS GLOCK ONLY GOES OFF WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER ALL THE WAY
thanks retard, that's what we've been saying the whole time

>>64050626
But it isn't. Stock glocks go flush to the rear of the trigger guard. There's still about a quarter inch of gap

>>64050650
>Guys did you know that if you pull the trigger on a glock, it goes off?
>Bet you feel pretty dumb for noticing that a p320 can go off without the trigger being pulled, huh?

>Glockfaggots have double standards
I thought the mantra that any gun that could fire without pulling the trigger past the break was too dangerous

>>64050761
The 320 fags said the same thing

>>64050424
The company that is ran by jews that decimated the quality of its products and moved parts production to india is surely in the right.

>>64050790
They said what? A gun should not be able to go off from manipulating the slide when there isn't a deliberate trigger pull. Glocks can't do that. p320s can.

>>64047096 (OP)
Someone has probably already said this, but I ain't reading the whole thread to find out.

Glocks are inherently different because the striker isn't fully cocked, and basically has a double action trigger pull, so you have a much longer trigger pull, and you are having to pull back against the striker spring. Also the Glock trigger safety "dingus" helps prevent the trigger from being accidentally pulled in the first place.

Also, it isn't Glocks that we are hearing about having widespread uncommanded discharges.

>>64050878
That's a lot of words from someone who can't be bothered to read the thread.
Fuck you, retard.

>>64050932
Go suck on a loaded P320. Surely nothing bad will happen.

>>64050878
How many people actually believe the partially cocked striker myth, holy shit. You guys really are the new 1911 boomers

>>64050868
See the link in OP, both guns have their triggers pulled well into the wall. Also note that the only one getting "1mm safety disengagement" is Wyoming and his pawn shop special

>>64050964
Nice try, but I've seen like 3 replication vids at this point and they all have the 1mm play thing. Here's one for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgTRigFvOE

Stop being retarded.

>>64050999
Dude that trigger is at damn near 90 degrees.

>>64047096 (OP)
if a glock fires while pushing on the slide it usually means the connector is bent out of spec

>>64051030
>>64050999
Are you sure you sent the right video? That's pretty much the normal break for that style of 320 trigger

I wouldnt care even if all of wasnt happening I'd still shit talk sig

Sig deserves to fucking burn.
Every hate post, every lawsuit, every verb of shit talking chips away at Sig and siggers. Eventually they will either fall apart defending themselves or actual issues will tear them apart.

Fair reminder though - FOPA and other laws protect gun manufacturers from liability in suicides/misuse/murder/injury/Gang & Mass shootings and ND's with their firearms.
They get absolutely NO liability protection however from selling a faulty & malfunctioning or not operational product - normal consumer rules apply. A gun that inadvertently goes off on its own aka uncommanded is the equivalent of selling a car where the accelerator pedal gets stuck to the floor - which also happens to cut off the brakes - and the electronic parking Brake prevent use while moving with the transmission stuck in Drive unable to shift to a lower gear/ratio.
Sig will lose EVERYTHING and they fucking know it

>>64051107
Are you kidding? How long was Jennings in operation? They literally got to change their name like four or five times and continue on for decades, only getting actually broken up because they did the retarded thing of having their employees hawking crates of guns without a FFL.
The worst thing that will happen is that Sig will declare bankruptcy, dissolve, and then reform in like a month as Legion Arms or whatever

Posting wojaks won't stop people from making fun of the fact that Sig Saar tried to gaslight an entire planet into thinking their guns didn't have a safety issue

Sorry.

>>64051123
And what exactly was the worst thing a Jennings did beside Saturday night special shit?
Jam?
Cracked slides.
Whoa bro that totally must be on the same wave length as repeatable uncommanded discharge

>>64051123
No one will buy Legion Arms guns lol.
CZ buys bankrupt SIG and now we have CZolt Sauer

>>64051136

Yeah no dip, just making fun of the face he makes also the test fully supports sigs retarded rhetoric of "it wont go off unless the trigger is pulled"

>>64051137
Confirmed for not knowing shit about how fucked they were. If you think Sig's quality control is bad, Jennings guns experienced literally every kind of failure a gun could experience. They were perhaps more dangerous to their users than to the targets. Get out of here summer child

>>64051150
Yeah nah stop trying to move the goal post sigger.
Even the worst Saturday night special jank trash is better than pp320 garbage

>>64051137
>>64051159
Wildly uninformed take. The slides cracked, the frames cracked, the barrels ruptured, nothing was properly heat treated, the springs weren't even music wire, and it became a habit for the people using them to not chamber around until they meant to use it because there was a chance of it just discharging that moment or later on when its ZINC fucking parts just broke under tension

siggers are in the same level of militant whaddaboutism as zigger trolls, only difference is they do it for free

>>64051171
It's not even that. I said that there's no way anybody would actually be hurt by it, and showed an example of a much smaller company being able to get away with it for decades despite arguably having a more unsafe product

>>64051039
>>64051030
Damn, and you say everyone else is coping.

>>64051169
Jennings/Jimenez got sued and went bankrupt over a loaded unholstered pistol being dropped and going off, fatally killing a woman.

The P320 M18 went off.
In a level 3 holster.
On a desk.
Fatally killing a service member.

The two are not the same. All Siggers must fucking hang.

>>64051183
Oh and with the manual safety ON
Forgot that little tidbit.
That was what won the Jiminez case - the safety didn't stop the discharge when the gun dropped

>>64051183
They got sued a bunch and went bankrupt a bunch only to change the sign and start over again. They did that a lot. The only thing that got their license revoked was the FFL shit.

>>64051176
not even talking to you, anon. but I guess the shoe fits.
but yeah, saturday night specials were trash—anyone buying them knew they were buying disposable turds. Difference is, they were never advertised as 'top dollar' like Sig Saar.
i will not redeem the card anyway

>>64051191
Also they were straight up in the middle of getting their license again when it got revoked. I'm saying this is an illustration of why you should temper your expectations about being able to meaningfully hurt the people behind it.

>>64050944
What's the myth? Glocks have a partially-cocked striker, and the P320 has a fully-cocked striker. That's a fact.

So... I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

Wow, there are a lot of people sucking Sig's dick in this thread.

>>64051393
Glockfags are stupid

>>64051052
>a literal basedjack NDed sigfags today
poetry

>>64049491
It's like an old 1911, no firing pin block, put it on halfcock like you're supposed to, you can still use the double-action when it's half-cocked.

>>64047424
They sell M17s and M18s here in Yurop too, along with the other models
Just waiting for the inevitable

Wow op thought provoking regurgitation of the consumer media you consume.

jiggling the receiver and it fires seems like a fucking issue

>>64051387
The myth is that by having a partially cocked striker, that a glock does not have enough stored potential energy in the striker to set off a primer should all of its safety mechanisms fail and the striker gets inadvertently released. How much of a myth that it actually is a question I wouldn't want to stake my life on personally, but would vary a good bit depending on how sensitive the primer from any given manufacturer is.

At first I thought he just had to get to the wall, then start messing with the slide
but no that is 99.997% of a trigger pull then jiggling the slid sets it off.
A stiff breeze could set any gun off in that case.... With maybe the exception of the Colt All American with a 12 pounds trigger.

it seems my superiority has led to some controversy

remember boys: glock mommy is always right.

>>64053103
now look at that smile.

>>64053108
>yjk where that horse semen comes from

>>64051499
I think the real problem is that the firing pin just floats around and is only somewhat safe due to there not being enough inertia to overcome the spring pressure unless a fully cocked hammer drops on it. If the gun's dropped from hip height, I'm not confident that the hammer even needs to fall for it to go off. Especially if there's an extended firing pin and lighter springs installed like all the fancy prancy spandex wearing IPSC shooters tend to do.

>>64051183
Hello friend, my name is Gis. I know I look a lot like my ne'er-do-well cousin Sig but I assure you that unlike him I am completely trustworthy. Coincidentally I also sell handguns, would you like to browse my wares?

>>64047651
It's essential ingredient of all black plastic. We are just not ready for that discussion.

>>64047639
Never understood why people wanted all sorts of striker fired slop.

>>64047096 (OP)
The point is that the failure is potentially in the reset. The glock reset (when the safety is activated by the trigger group return) is closer to the fully depressed position. The sig this position is farther away.
The issue in my opinion is after shooting, or dry firing or a function test (trigger depressed slide return release) the sig safety not actually be reset. So at any point that day or the next time you load the firearm It could potentially go off without a trigger squeeze from any number of things. Dropped. Twisted in the holster, dropping or racking the slide to feed a live round. (The last one is on video firing with not finger on the trigger.

>>64048352
>the glock did it with less trigger pull
Glocks don't have a fully cocked striker at rest, dipshit.

>>64057442
Literally doesn't matter for anything except length of pull. The partially cocked striker does nothing, NOTHING except make it take longer to pull the trigger to the break. It doesn't ensure a light primer strike in case of a safety failure, it's not heavy enough to protect like a DA/SA, it's not even light enough for true two staging. Can we get past this when discussing Glock forever? I don't even care about Sig, but stop fucking talking about it like it has some mystical property.

>>64057462
>It doesn't ensure a light primer strike in case of a safety failure
It pretty much does if you're using military primers. I've tried it and I've had one Federal go off.
It's not even a Glock thing, only Snig is stupid enough to do it.

>>64057474
Most Striker guns are like 95% cocked. Glocks are about 70ish, if I recall correctly. Chavez v Glock, 2012 has a bunch of the Glock claims formally debunked in court and the light primer strike is one of them.

>>64057504
>formally debunked in court
Fuck off, Sig. It's been formally established that courts don;t give a shit about reality and know nothing about guns.
Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that the snig just has to drop the sear, the glonk has to fully cock the striker and then drop it, meaning
>the glock did it with less trigger pull
Is utter fucking horseshit except maybe on Planet Courtroom where physics doesn't matter and you can bend reality with wordplay.

>>64047651
California strikes again. CA passed a law where if anything could possibly cause cancer, even if it was determined to be a POSSIBLE cause of cancer decades after being in the market, the manufacture would be held liable in court. So, companies play it safe and slap that warning on everything just to make sure they don't get sued later despite the product not causing cancer. I've seen video games have that warning.

If California might get their hands on the product? It gets that label. Since it's dumb to have multiple package types for the same product, all of them get that label.

>>64057522
Ironically the label almost certainly does have something in it that will give you cancer, even if the product doesn't.

>>64047096 (OP)
Well let's see 40 years of glocks going off in holsters, it must've happend a million times right?

>>64047871
the safety is THE FUCKING TRIGGER. jesus christ.

>>64048364
Once afuckingan. The trigger is the safety. Pull trigger, gun goes boom. Do you live in the UK or something wtf?

A P320 went off in a kydex holster without being touched because dogshit indian manufacturing

This is someone finessing the trigger and slide, extensively, to FORCE a sear to slip

So
SIG: Went off without pulling the trigger
GLOCK: Went off by pulling the trigger and squeezing the slide really hard

DA/SA wins again!

>>64048997
P226 is kino, especially with the SRT

>>64057667
Notice how the entire conversation is about defeating that YouTube guy's possibly imperfect test, and not about the gun going off in the wild.
It's a subtle topic slide since if they get everyone arguing about the test they don't have to provide their own explanation of how a holstered gun went off.

Why does everyone move the goal posts on this?

The point of the Wyoming Gun Projects experiment was to refute the claim that Sig had made that ONLY a full trigger pull could set off the gun. Which he proved quite thorougly. He set the gun on a table and smacked the table and the striker dropped with a slightly depressed trigger.

From a practical perspective, the combination of loose build tolerances and negligible perceived deflection of the trigger being enough to render the gun unsafe to handle is exceptionally sensative for a handgun and especially something sold as a duty carry handgun for the military and law enforcement where rough handling, minimum training standards, and adrenaline fueled reactions are the RULE.

If it were used in a competion environment (I AM NOT SAYING IT WOULD OR SHOULD BE YOU FUCKWIT), where controlled firing settings and expert handlers are the rule then being sensative like it is would be fine.

>>64057746
I've seen some really bullshit ones, like finangling a springfield trigger and grip safety to jam the striker on the sear, and then rocking the slide back and forth until it goes off.

If a gun can go off with the trigger pulled, even if it's not to break, by forcibly bending the gun, that's not even in the same class of failure as the P320s proven track record uncommanded discharges (guns in kydex holsters going off if jiggled). It is, however, an indication that striker fired pistols should be made with metal in the right places to prevent slide play, and going forward, no one should buy a striker fired pistol that is not built in such a fashion.

This test actually indicates the possibility of a significantly worn handgun running away while being shot. Not the possibility of it going off in the holster, because again, the trigger is being pulled, which is widely accepted as "disengaging all of the safeties".

>>64047424
Wrong. He placed it on the table. There's belief he might have pulled the trigger by accident given the big gap on duty holsters

>>64048364
>Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with having a manual safety?
>None of this would be an issue in the slightest if these guns had one

These gun designs are applefied iGuns that lack features because they are supposed to be super simple and useable by anyone.

>>64057787
How can a finger get in there?

>>64048364
A manual safety that only blocked the trigger would not have prevented the lengthening string of P320 tragedies.

The P320 is basically as badly designed as a 1911 with no half cock stop or grip safety. Safe in theory if competently handled, but it does not tolerate manufacturing flaws at all because there are so few and so flimsy points of failure.

>>64057784
Yes, I understand he was simulating wear. My point is that when the discussion turns to arguing over the validity of the test, then it is sliding away from what's actually important.
If a Sigger says the test is bullshit, the operative answer isn't to argue but to ask them "so what's YOUR explanation of how the holstered guns are going off?"
When pressed, they can give one and either resort to irrationally blaming the holsters, or in the case of the airman saying he should of pointed it at himself (which is true but also doesn't answer the question of how the gun went off) or they say he shouldn't have SLAMMED it onto the table (which simultaneously still doesn't explain what happened and admits the gun isn't drop-even-a-little-bit safe).
Don't let them stray the discussion. Make them give an explanation.

>>64057837
*shouldn't have

>>64057791
Except the duty models have a safety and it isn't helping

>>64057837
It's not a conspiracy or a tactic, it's a retard.

Several p320s have gone off on their own. That's a fact. Everything beyond this is retarded autists geeking out and playing with their guns, and getting confused as they slowly realize plastic striker pistols are potentially less long lasting than hammer fired guns and DA/SA (and the godly H&K LEM system) - wins again!

>>64057662
No, a manual safety is meant to prevent the gun from firing when the trigger snags on something, when it's accidentally pulled as the gun is being unholstered (not hard to imagine in a stressful scenario like self-defense and especially relevant on striker guns where you don't have the added safety of a heavier first pull) or when the fucking thing just rattles loose - though of course SIG can't even do that right, case in point

>>64057870
It would take a serious retard to ND a stock glock trigger while drawing. The exact kind of retard that would index their thumb on a safety and disengage it while drawing, also with their finger on the (hair) trigger. This has happened more times than striker draw-NDs simply because single action pistols have been around longer while the number of retards has stayed relatively constant.

I still like H&K LEM triggers, but that's because I like H&K.

>>64057905
You're right it would take a serious retard, but well, it happened a lot with cops when they first got Glocks. They'd gotten away with sloppy trigger-on-finger handling with their 40 pound pull revolvers so they were accidentally shooting off their Glocks.
User error not design flaw, but a manual safety would still prevent a lot of that probably at the cost of many of them forgetting to flip their safeties off. Which might cause other problems but 90% of the times when cops pull a gun they don't actually shoot it so whatever.

>>64057928
It also happened a lot with people who carried SAO guns cocked and locked, leading to every boomer religiously adhering to carrying hammer down or unchambered.

Also yes, american cops are retards. They train like shit. They will go to israel and take classes that inform them that the goyim are the enemy and are degenerates that must be reigned in and forced to obey or executed like disobedient dogs in medieval europe, but they will not learn to keep index the pointer finger on the fame. Some still believe in fingering the trigger to look more threatening.

>>64047096 (OP)
Glocks don't have the same issue, as they possess a trigger blade safety (which is absent on a P320) that can prevent the trigger from being pulled to the wall in the first place. Even if the Glock goes off when squeezing the slide, that's still one more safety mechanism to defeat than a P320.

>>64057517
Read the court syllabus

>>64047096 (OP)
Unironicaly HiPoint are better then the sig p320

>>64057791
1911s were simple enough for retarded lead poisoned silent gens and nigger cooks and transport

What a massive copefag.

Just give Hi-Point the contract. 200 bucks, lifetime warranty, what else could the DoD want?

It makes sense that Glockfags are trying to suppress this. Their entire brand is being so safe and reliable, so if they have the same design flaw as the most unreliable pistol on the market, that goes their entire image (even if most striker guns would fail under these conditions)

>>64054383
You have to understand that small arms sales are based on an entire "monkey see, monkey do," game of telephone. The military adopts the cheapest shit imaginable for the lowest common denominator. Then cops follow their lead because cops are wannabe soldiers. Then civilians follow their lead because civilians are wannabe cops. Glock basically ruined handguns by selling plastic striker-fired crap with no real safety mechanisms at rock-bottom prices to government agencies. Government contracts are the best form of advertising for guns, because people just blindly accept that "hurr it's what the cops and militaries are all using so it must be good." It's basically the gun industry cheaping out, and then convincing their customer base that the newer, unsafe product is actually superior to the older, safer ones that are more expensive to manufacture. The catch is that they're going to sell you the cheap new thing for the same price as the old thing, because whoops we don't make the old thing anymore due to lack of demand. :^)

>>64060809
not original trigger

no trigger safety on a gun meant for police/military is pretty wild. like why wouldn't you just make it as safe as possible? seems extremely dumb. especially for military who are literally never going to use the damned thing anyway.

>>64060256
This is just anecdotal info, but a p80 I built would go off when putting pressure on the slide without touching the trigger. It was consistently reproducible. It was due to a combination of issues that I eventually fixed, most of it being related to the trigger bar, connector, and rear rails.
I guess my takeaway is that this means it is possible for a Glock to do this, but that just means it's needs to be disassembled and worked on.

>>64047096 (OP)
"Pulling the trigger to the wall will disengage the internal safeties making it prone to discharge"
No shit, Sherlock.

>>64050424
You are scum

Reminder, STOCK sigs went off in kydex holsters FROM INERTIA. This has never happened to an unmodified glock.

Reminder, siggers literally lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=277s
The glock does not fire until he moves the vice, which visibly moves the trigger past the break. When it fires, he is not manipulating the slide. His finger is resting on the locking block. Slide play is at the front and back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=198s
The hellcat does not fire until he moves the vice, which visibly moves the trigger past the break.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=251s
Walther PDP. Hand on vice adding pressure. When he removes the vice, the trigger moves so far forward, it is apparent that it was all of the way back and it is highly likely he had the trigger just at the break, in addition to wiggling the vice with his other hand!

He LIED. In broad daylight.

>>64060901
Let me be extremely clear here, because your lies can actually endanger innocent lives.

GLOCKS ARE DOUBLE ACTION GUNS
https://imgur.com/how-glock-works-sWEmvZh
THE STRIKER DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO IGNITE A PRIMER UNTIL THE TRIGGER IS PULLED ~50%, WHICH DISENGAGES ALL SAFETIES AND CAN NOT HAPPEN DUE TO INERTIA ALONE. THEY CAN ONLY GO OFF IF THERE IS A FELT TRIGGER PULL.
YOU ARE FREE TO HATE GLOCKS BECAUSE THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE PLASTIC PIECES OF SHIT THAT MACERATE PEOPLES HANDS WHEN THEY RUN HOT LOADS, BUT THIS IS A LIE.

SIG SAUER P320S HAVE FIRED IN KYDEX HOLSTERS ENTIRELY DUE TO INERTIA AND PLAY IN THE MECHANISM
BECAUSE THE SINGLE ACTION, SINGLE SAFETY MECHANISM CAN NOT BE FORCED TO FAIL WHEN SIG SELECTS A QUALITY, UNWORN EXAMPLE, THIS MEANS SIG SAUER IS SHIPPING PISTOLS OUT OF SPEC, OR MAKES PISTOLS THAT RAPIDLY WEAR OUT OF SPEC
(THE ENTIRE BRAND CAN NO LONGER BE TRUSTED)

THIS IS ALSO WHY MOST QUALITY SINGLE ACTION GUNS HAVE 3-4 SAFETY MECHANISMS (HAMMER HALF STOP, TRIGGER BLOCK LEVER, GRIP SAFETY, TRIGGER-ACTUATED FIRING PIN BLOCK)

>>64047639
HK LEM triggers ackshually
double action with precocked hammer spring but a disengaged hammer

it can't go off with anything but a purposeful trigger pull, always shoots the same except when restriking a dud, and is somehow crisper and comfier than a glock trigger. also the guns are actually well made.

>>64057950
>>>64057928 #
>It also happened a lot with people who carried SAO guns cocked and locked, leading to every boomer religiously adhering to carrying hammer down or unchambered

But that's simply not true.
T. Old

>>64047096 (OP)
Why dont moar guns just do that internal quasi single action hammer that ruger uses in a few of their pistols?

>>64063276
There was some silly boomer a few years ago who shot his foot with a 1911, riding the safety and using a button press retention holster so his finger landed on the (very light) trigger at an inopportune moment

I think he was ok so it didn't make the news, but he did get made fun of on youtube

>>64062955
Were those issues fundamental to the design or did you just build it wrong? I think P320s come that way from the factory, sensitive to discharge.

>>64062955
A p80 isnt a glock

>>64051052
>this is the face that BTFO'd siggers forever
Grim

>>64064271
the parts were likely out of spec and the connector wasn't bent at the correct angle
a faulty connector can cause discharges like that as well as runaway fire and binary fire

>>64063240
Dude, quit fucking coping. You sound hysterical

>>64064623
Glocks can basically go burst fire when things go out of spec, or if they get really really dirty. That's why I know it's usually bullshit when somebody says they've gone thousands of rounds without cleaning and there's no issues.

>>64063268
Well yeah, that's because it's an HK.

T. VP9 owner. It's not my daily carry but I've carried it chambered without problem.

>>64064693
the one I built has a ported barrel, so it gets really dirty quick and starts to malfunction if I don't clean it after several hundred rounds
it shoots really nice when clean tho