Thread 64050355

Shotgun General. Discuss all things shotgun.
(First time starting a thread, so PLZ be nice ^^)

To start things off, I need recommendations for a light switch to mount on the left side of the VOA pump for the Mossberg 590. The width is about 0.6" wide and sort of angled. Should I go for a flat or angled/raised switch?

>>64050355 (OP)
My dumbass ahh forgot to mention I'm looking for switches with Surefire leads.

>ricing out a pump shotgun
to what end?

>>64050441
Right of passage for all new shotguns owners. He can realize it's retarded after he's spent double what the guns worth on crap.

Italian Supremacy

>>64050441
>>64050551
Yerp. My 590 is my first long gun, and I have it for HD. I bought the VOA because I wanted a light mount that wasn't polymer. And yeah I'm also retarded.

I want a good collapsing stock for a rustington 8700000000 what get

>>64050441
was going to ask this too
>>64050355 (OP)
why not just put the light on the left and actuate it with your thumb?

>>64050559
>yuropean guns
eww
>>64050574
I should probably put a light back on my 500. I took everything off other than the aftermarket stock because that has an adjustable LoP and comb. a shotgun with a full tube just isn't comfortable with all the extra shit on it

>>64050551
I spent double ricing out my 88 with first a PGS then a hogue short LOP furniture set and heat shield (necessary desu and the absolute ideal form for the gun) but I didn't like how it was all black so I tripled it by replacing it with OG 80s wood furniture that feels way worse and still makes it look cheap because of the high gloss varnish

I want a Benelli M3 because I've been playing a lot of Resident Evil, but I don't want to pay the $1600 for it.

What cheaper option should I go with the scratch the itch without breaking the bank?

>Benelli Nova/Supernova
>Turk clone like SDS Duo-Sys/TriStar Tec-12

>>64051724
Supernova because a vtuber i like owns one, and you should avoid turk shotguns.

>>64050355 (OP)
For me it's the Remington model 11.

>>64051781
>t. Courtney Love

bump for more shotguns

>>64054141
Ur right on target <3

>>64050355 (OP)
Get the SI barrel clamp and mount it there. I never liked the idea of the light or whatever I have on the foreend moving around as I pump it.

Last bump

Where are you guys getting trade-in 870s now? They're trickling in but they're much more expensive than they used to be now that people picked them all up when they were cheap

I've been looking everywhere for definitive word on this, but even Beretta doesn't say
can you shoot slugs through an A300 Ultima Patrol?
it came with an improved cylinder choke installed

>>64059155
Yes, absolutely you can. Slugs can pass through chokes up to mod improved from my experience.

>>64059270
cool, thank you

>>64059270
I've shot more slugs through full chokes than anything else lmao

Anyone know if there's any company making new production 1897 shotguns?

>>64059270
>>64060010
>>64059716
>>64059155
Rifled (Brenneke and Foster) slugs are basically fine through any choke. Sabot slugs are for rifled barrels, though I expect they'd shoot safely through a choked barrel, but with nothing to stabilize they'd perform like shit. The biggest safety factors for shotguns are don't mix up your 12ga with 20ga, and don't shoot old (pre-WWI) guns with modern loads.

>>64059155
Do the A300 UP have removable chokes or is it bored to a permanent IC diameter?

>>64060231
removable

>>64060241
Titties, thank you.

>>64051724
I own a supernova in 12 and a nova in 20 since I was 10. Fantastic shotguns the pump action is shortened so you can load it super fast. Recoil mitigation is superb on the 12. I also haven’t cleaned my 20 in about 7 years and never had a misfire. I finally remembered last weekend and carbon was falling out in chunks.

>>64060400
Italian Supremacy

Shotbump

Does anyone here use a cuff? Does it fuck up shooting? I have esstac cards for shells on the receiver, and am mostly baffled and fascinated by the possibility of a pouch on the stock.

>>64059155
This depends on the slug, not the gun. As others have said most slugs are totally safe to fire through chokes. There are a handful that are not, like some of the steel Euro slugs. Just read the box, it will say if the slug is not safe for chokes.

>>64063478
The main point of those things is to adjust the fit of the gun to improve shooting, like if you need a longer length of pull they add extra length to the butt of the gun, and some like the one in your pic also have a built in cheek riser which lowers the "drop" of the stock. If you need those changes they make the gun fit you better. If you don't need those changes then they make the gun fit you worse. The pouch is not the point, it's just something to do with the extra leather on the far side of the cuff.

>>64063478
I use a cheap cuff just for choke tubes and wrench so its thin and low profile, putting ammo on the butt makes the gun feel weird and snag on shit IMO

New into shotguns.

Which is the best 870? What's the difference between the 870 home defense and the 870 tactical? and the express? Should I just go for a maverick 88?

Genuine ignorance since my range don't allow shotguns and never ever had interest on them until now.

>inb4 get a benelli m4 or a mossberg
NO! shut up faggot

>>64064792
>Which is the best 870
The mossberg 500
>Should I just go for a maverick 88?
You mean the Mexican Mossberg 500? Yes. Its unironically great.
>inb4 get a benelli m4 or a mossberg
you wanted the cheap Mossberg before you even knew what it was kek

>>64064792
A maverick 88 is a Mossberg 500 with less machining and crappy finish thats made in south Texas in Maverick County. It will get the job done, it just werks. There is even video proof.

https://youtu.be/-9OL7IquoIo

>>64064792
Buy a 60s wingmaster for 300 bucks and get some spare barrels and parts and mag extension tubes.

Enjoy premium shotgun for literally tree fiddy.

I also have a 500 in 20 gauge for hunting

Should I twenny?

>>64065473
Nah, >>64064960

>>64064837
>>64064854
huh

It's safe to shoot slugs from either the Maverick 88 or the 870? I heard the 870 express might blow up.

>>64064960
I want a new shotgun, not an used one.

>>64066364
>It's safe to shoot slugs from either the Maverick 88 or the 870?
Yes

>I heard the 870 express might blow up.
Lolwhut

>>64050559
What’s your QD sling attachment near the handguard?

>>64050355 (OP)
I am inheriting an old single barrel baikal shotgun (IJ-18), suggestions on building a decent "survival" kit around it? I already have a winchester 1300 defender, but I thought that the good old soviet shotgun would be great as a backpacking gun due to its light weight.
I am having dumb ideas about 3d printing a forend with a hole for a MLOK slot for a WML for it. Or if not that, maybe getting an extra forend for the gun and to install a WML mount on that.

>>64065475
No, I like mossbergs a little more and I’m going to mount a red dot, light, and sling on it so there’s no point to me getting a retro wingmaster. Cool guns though.

>>64065473
>>64065375
>full length tube
meme gun
>>64064792
everyone just buys mossbergs because remingshit has been shot for decades, ever since (((mitt rhomney's))) "private equity" firm bought remington and turned their guns into pieces of rust because private equity is always bad

>>64067971
Go shoot it. Then rethink your life. Lightweight is not a positive in a shotgun. Neither is single shot. You already have a better gun in that pump.

For a home defense/tactical shotgun would you all recommend a pump or semi auto? I'm taking into consideration of price as well as what would look better in court in the even I would have to use it. I've heard the more 'tactical' a gun looks in a self defense scenario the worse it will look in court. I've had people recommend me a beater shotgun for $200 just so I'm not crying over it when its sitting in evidence but I'm concerned with quality at that price.

>>64068442
most home defense shootings are solved in fewer than 3 rounds

>>64068442
good semi autos are better in everyway than pumps.
that said its expensive.
you can buy a fuckload of other guns that are significantly better for what you want for cheaper cough ar cough. or if you want shotgun for clays double barrel.
then you have the cheap turkshit/chinkshit autos where a $200 pump mav 88 is better.
a good semi is better than any pump but its not worth the 2k for an m4 better.

>>64060231
That's a good looking gun.

>>64068260
>Lightweight is not a positive in a shotgun
That depends on what you are doing with the shotgun. Shooting a round of sporting clays or a 3-gun match? Yeah, you don't want a light gun for that. Walking around innawoods and taking a single shot at game every once in a while? Lightweight is great for that.

>>64068442
Depends on your budget. If it's a few hundred bucks or less, get a pump. A good semi is better than pump, but a good semi is also a lot more expensive than a pump.

>>64066589
It's a BFG Larry Snickers SMG sling. It uses uloops to attach to anything. It was the only sling at the time that fit the Benelli and I have since gotten a QD sling swivel and a BFG Snickers Padded Sling

>>64050559
I want an m4. Fixed or collapsible stock?

>>64068631
Would you say its a bad idea then to get per say a 590a1 as a 'do it all' type of pump? Those can be around $700 give or take. For a while I was hooked on the a300 and 1301 but couldn't justify spending $1000+ on a shotgun, well right now at least not.

>>64068824
>Would you say its a bad idea then to get per say a 590a1 as a 'do it all' type of pump?
yes
a 590a1 is an incredibly specialized gun
like a scalpel
a standard ass 500 combo with 2 barrels would be a better choice for a do it all.

Looking at scabbards for this thing, think I found one that’ll fit even with the shell carrier. I have a “truck gun” mentality about it- just grab it and you’ve got 11 shells ready to go- but I still want options.
It’s a $15 risk so nbd.

>>64069570
>scabbards for this thing, think I found one that’ll fit even with the shell carrier.
if its the generic one its not going to fit with a shell carrier and certainly wont fit it with that stock folded

>>64069764
Know of a better one? What I’m looking at says it’s 8 inches across at the thinnest point, and the circumference at the thickest point of my shotgun comes in around 12”. If you can keep me from making a mistake I’d appreciate it.

>>64069570
Wtf is that globohomo art

>>64050355 (OP)
Anyone plinked around with one of these? Worth it? I'm thinking about adding it to my impractical shotgun collection.

>>64070774
Forgot picrel

>>64070775
>>64070774
>Mossberg 990 Aftershock

I got one. Kicks hard since all you're relying on is wrist strength and your offhand controlling it. But man, can you stash that everywhere.

Is this 400 bucks 1300 Defender enough for home defense ? I have wife and kids to protect and i'm wondering if a suppressed 9 PCC would do a better trick because of noise mostly.

>>64070911
Why not get both? Wife can use the PCC as a back-up shooter.

>>64068824
>Would you say its a bad idea then to get per say a 590a1 as a 'do it all' type of pump?
Yes, I agree with the other anon. 590 is a dedicated combat shotgun. It's great for that, but you can't get other types of barrels for it like you can most other shotguns. There are no hunting or clay barrels for the 590. No slug barrel either. Benelli M4 also has this same problem. The standard 500 is a great general-purpose shotgun though.

>>64070944
The shittiest available in my country costs more than 1500 bucks and I would lose it forever in case I use it so... Well. I kinda need something effective plus something I can lose without a second thought.

>>64068063
>full length tube
>meme gun
On a defense gun I think it's a good call. 20" version is a bit long, though.

I want a cheap shotgun for home defense. I was thinking a maverick 88 with 00 buckshot. But I just found out that the 88 has a cylinder bore. I know you can change the choke if it has a threaded barrel, but will cylinder bore be okay for home defense? My house isn’t that big and I don’t see any scenario where I would need to shoot beyond 10 yards. I don’t want to accidentally hit someone or damage property.

>>64071381
Cylinder bore is best for buckshot and slugs. Honestly on a defense gun removable chokes are just another thing to fly out of the gun. Most actual duty shotguns like for LE are fixed cylinder bore. Guys like the removable chokes for survival LARP reasons.

>>64071381
>But I just found out that the 88 has a cylinder bore.
Which is ideal for HD. You don't need a choke unless you're worried about hitting birds or clays at long distance.

>>64071439
>>64071604
Damn ok thanks. I was worried a bit about spread, but I guess at <10yrd, it’s not an issue.

>>64068824
If you want a "do it all" pump you have to buy one with a 5 shot tube that can take other barrels, not the retarded ass full tube guns
>>64071334
most home defense shootings are resolved in fewer than 3 rounds fired. full length tube guns are meme

>>64070760
Looks like lesbo-muslims trying to get into a fem-templars breechclout. Why does this need to be explained to you?

>>64072441
Not those anons, but is there really any downsides to go from 5 to 7 capacity tube? Other than weight and length.

>>64073222
literally every barrel mounts to the 5 shot tube and not the 7 shot tube. So the only thing you can do with a 7 shot tube shotgun is mag dump into trash

>>64070760
it's hot

>>64072439
That's a valid concern. If you want absolute minimal spread you should get Federal Flitecontrol or Hornady Versatite buckshot. That particular wad design works better than a choke. Buckshot can be choked to a point but you risk pellet deformation causing fliers or blowing out your pattern and ending up with more spread.

>>64073317
Jack of all trades is never master of all trades. A 14"+ LOP stock is not great for recoil control unless you're unironically 6'5". Most bead sights aren't even regulated for buckshot at close range so your pattern will land WAY high. And you have no weaponlight. Not necessarily dealbreakers, you'd have a usable defense gun, but it's not what you could have.

>>64073613
If you want a 590 so bad just get it. But don't make up random justifications to call it do it all.

>>64073645
I’m >>64071334 . The jack-of-all trades thing is cool for its own reasons. You are right in that generally the short mag tubes are more compatible, but there are advantages to a specialized defensive shotgun, none of which are trivial, so stop calling everyone a retard.

>>64066364
Bro if it chambers they will handle it. Shotguns are legitimately the most based firearm to ever exist. https://youtube.com/shorts/H6Xu8l7kQ1s

>>64073656
Did you not read the topic? The question was is a 590 a good do it all gun?
The answer from multiple anons was no, it's too specialized.
And now you are claimed it's specialized. Which is the same point everyone's been making. The question was not what's a good home defense shotgun.

>>64073613
>>64073656
the full mag tube guns are literally for retards who mag dump into trash. you can buy an after market stock, mine has an adjustable LoP and comb. they aren't hard to install. bead is fine for HD ranges

>>64073677
You've said
>meme gun
>retarded ass full tube guns
>full length tube guns are meme
>the only thing you can do with a 7 shot tube shotgun is mag dump into trash
You're pretty clear on how you feel about extended tubes. I'm glad you're going sporting and stuff, and the jack-of-all-trades thing is cool, but specialization is still a good thing, too. For what it's worth I belong to a large private club and I can't remember the last time I saw someone show up to shoot clays with a pump gun.

>>64073683
>you can buy an after market stock, mine has an adjustable LoP and comb.
What's the minimum LoP on it? The issue is that any stock which is good for field use will likely not be very good for defensive use so you'd always have to swap back and forth to get optimal results, and most of the adjustable LoP field gun stocks I've seen have a minimum LoP in the 14" range. To give you an example, my sporting gun is 14 1/4" LoP and fits me great, but for a defensive gun I want something in the 12.5" - 13".
>bead is fine for HD ranges
I don't think the bead is "fine" for HD ranges, it's literally not regulated for HD ranges. Sure you can get by but to a certain degree you are making an educated guess about where your buckshot pattern is going to land. It's ok, you PROBABLY won't die over it, but precision is always better. If you want to use a bead get a highball from defender tactical.

>>64073704
Ah you are a retard.nobody asked about a specialized gun and you are fixated on proving specialized is good. No shit if something more specialized it's good at the task it's specialized for but the specialization makes it worse for other tasks.

>>64073725
And you're a little fuddling who doesn't know what he doesn't know. Take a class, dude.

>>64073704
no, that was me. 7 shot tubes are meme guns used for mag dumping into trash
>>64073717
>What's the minimum LoP on it?
mossberg 500 retrograde has a 13.87 inch LoP
the adjustable stock is 12.5-14.25 inches. though I have a thicker butt pad on it so I think mine is 13-14.75 inches
>I don't think the bead is "fine" for HD ranges, i
tons of cops and homeowners have killed criminals using beads and buckshot. if you really need more get a 20 inch vented rib turkey or whatever barrel those are for that mount on the 5 shots and then get a rib mounted red dot to go on it. you can then take that off and replace it with the 28 inch barrel for normal stuff

Test

>>64073677
I was the one who asked about the 7 over the 5. For context, I was asking because I’m considering a maverick 88. I still think the 7+1 is better for me since I will only use it for the purpose of hd. Especially since I plan on keeping the chamber empty while it’s stored

>>64073583
Thanks, yeah I’m just concerned with a stray pellet hitting someone or something I’m not intending.

>>64073870
buy this one
https://www.mossberg.com/maverick-88-security-field-combo-31014.html

>>64073870
I agree with the other anon, get the 88 combo. They were $215 a week ago. Barrels a lot carte aren't much cheaper than that

>>64073876
Yeah then get one of those two. The pellets are copper plated to avoid deformation, they're in a special wad which keeps the buckshot together even after it leaves the barrel, and the Federal stuff has buffer material on top of that to prevent the pellets from smacking into each other. If it's too pricey I'd just buy decent 8-pellet (not 9-pellet) 00 buck and you should be ok.

>>64070976
>The shittiest available in my country costs more than 1500 bucks

Australia, New Zealand, or Europe?

>>64067971
https://swiftsilentdeadly.com/my-single-shot-survival-shotgun-project/

there's a bunch of youtube vids about it too

>>64073717
anon you pattern a shotgun to see how it shoots different cartridges at different ranges, that is literally the shotgun equivalent of "zeroing" and something you will need to do with any shotgun if you intend to actually use it. If you're intending to get a shotgun and stick it against a wall unfired until the first time you need to use it to defend your life nobody here can help you because you require a certified caregiver
>bibble bibble swapping stocks bleb bloo
the hogue short LoP stocks for Mossberg are fine for field use, in my experience

>>64073905
>>64073937
The combo is appealing to me because of the price. But to be honest I’m not too concerned about multipurpose. I just want a dedicated HD shotgun that I don’t care about losing if I have to use it.
>>64074056
Thank you, anon. I didn’t know about defense rounds like that for a 12 gauge. I just want to defend myself with minimal risk to others.

>>64074348
the 5 shot is useful for things that arent hd.
the 7 shot isnt particularly good at hd. its only good at being cheap
the 88 is not the only cheap zerofucks option you could get an ar or psa dagger
.
even if you really want a pump for some reason the 88 is inferior to an actual 590.
88 is 7+1
590 is 8+1 for the exact same length and possibly weight if you get a normal 590 not the a1. the only negative of the 590 vs 88 is ones 2 or 3 times the price.

your just getting a gun that will be immediately useless for hd if you ever buy anything else. you arent going to reach for the pump when you have an ar right there.

if you get the 5 shot you can install the long barrel and go do things that arent dirtblasting.
if you really want to be the dirtking you have the 18.

>>64074343
I can’t help you anymore. Take a class.

>>64074604
NTA, but you talk like a fag and you're shits all retarded.

>>64074371
I just want a dedicated HD shotgun. I have an AR and AK, as well as many handguns. I want something cheap and reliable that I don’t mind losing and isn’t “scary looking”.

God you US guys have it so good. For a rough 1000 bucks it seems you can have a Moss88, a PSA Dagger and a PSA AR, all good nuf'-tier, all brand new and from your local store. That's awesome. 1000 bucks can cover almost all your bases when we europoor need to cope and seethe through hoops and insane costs and compromises, almost no aftermarket and a quite anemic second-hand market.

>>64075321
>posting the faggot president of france
stop that

>>64075605
To be precise : it's him, his wrist locked up in the hand of french ADL's headmaster, who is forcing him to raise his fist as a sign of general agreement. In lower left corner it's written something about the disbanding of some anecdotal rightwing group (few dozen people) nobody heard of who had a bar and a boxing gym in bumfuck nowhere town. Now look at his happy face. It's telling you so much about the situation here.

>>64075749
>(((they))) got him too
damn, but not surprising since he's married to a man.

>>64074604
>no u
great work

>>64077242
It's all I can say to you, you are so low-information that it's going to take paid, in-person instruction to fully demonstrate how incorrect you are.

>>64077443
clearly the classes didnt help you

>>64077443
>no u
just repeating my insult back at me doesn't make you right. Or is patterning your gun unnecessary in your mind? Not really sure what you think you're saying, but I don't mind tossing a reply or two your way if it makes you feel better

>>64077458
>>64077474
Shot accountability is extremely important, so while it's workable having poorly regulated sights is not a good thing. More importantly, if you went to any shotgun course of any kind, defensive or sporting, and you told them that stock fitment doesn't matter that much, you'd be laughed out of the room. That's how I know you don't know what you're doing.

I bought one of the step-on clay thrower things today and went out and tried it with my Mossberg. First time shooting at clays. It was a lot of fun and pretty intuitive although it would be nice to have someone else to launch the clays to get different directions.

Reasons to get a shotgun
1. if you hunt or plan on hunting
2. if you have access to a range that lets you shoot clay targets
3. if you live in a jurisdiction where is it difficult or impossible to get any other gun or if the reality of the courts where you live make it so shooting a home invader with a shotgun will result in you being less likely to be convicted or if you are poor and a shotgun is all you have/can afford
shotguns are pretty ass, for a number of reasons, if you plan to only shoot static targets with them and you are unironically better off purchasing an AR or one of many pistol caliber carbines in semi auto, lever action or pump action

>>64077532
Have you never sighted and fired a shotgun? You make it sound like having bead sights means your cone of fire is like 50 feet wide at 10 yards. Shot accountability is important but you wont be grossly sending pellets in every direction. 10 to 15 yards is about fist to paper plate size pellet group. Over penetration risk would be the same for an AR in 556 or 300blk.
And whats all this about 5 vs 7 round tube mag? How does that make a difference? The only thing it does is limit your barrel choice, but you can fix that in 10 minutes with some heat and a new tube mag of your chosen capacity.

>>64079908
4. You just think they're neat

>>64082451
Seconded, they're my favorite gun "just because", practicality in certain situations be damned.

>>64081607
>Have you never sighted and fired a shotgun?
Yes, which is how I know that your factory Mossberg bead is way too low. You're right in that the pattern will be tight at close distances no matter what, but go pattern that exact gun with 00 Buck and report back on how far off of POA it is. You will be very surprised. If you want to stick with a bead get a HighBall or an XS Big Dot.

>>64081607
is that the 590? the checkering looks better than the half assed checkering on my 500 retrograde
the argument about 5 vs 7 shots is most home defense shootings are solved in fewer than 3 rounds fired, according to Paul, plus 7 shots makes the gun front heavy. so by getting a 7 shot gun you are making a very slightly better HD gun, when you could have just gotten an AR, at the cost of making the gun useless for everything else other than mag dumping into trash.
with a 5 shot tube you can hunt with it and shoot clays while still using it for HD and if it get's snatched, hey it wasn't that much, and you got your money's worth hunting and shooting clays as opposed to mag dumping into trash

>>64082899
>mag dumping into trash
Nigger you haven't had an hour of training and you're talking about mag dumping into trash

>>64082918
>muh training
I've shot an applesneed and a bunch of high power matches

>>64082899
If a person is buying a shotgun for nothing else other than to have a semi disposable $300 steel tube to blow holes into a thief then why worry about the extra utility a 5 round mag would bring? The anon specifically stated they were buying a cheap boom stick just for the house, not sporting clays or trap.
Id go ahead and get the cheap sub $300 maverick 88, 50 rounds of flight control, go pattern the gun at the distance of your longest hallway to figure out the point of aim with 25 rounds, then go home and stick that bitch in the closet cruiser ready for when you need it. Maybe take it out twice a year to shoot and clean.

>You will never own the mossy 5hundo bullpup
I bet this thing as a bolt on kit would sell decently.

>>64071381
get ammo with flitecontrol(or similar) wads and theyll group VERY tight out to 10 meters from cylinder bore. Tight chokes actually often rip those wads and the shot spreads immediately.

Convince me not to spend $475 on this sexy furniture set

>>64085561
that entire set up looks gay as shit
>>64084059
that shouldn't be a big deal since 18.5 inch barrels are all cylinder bore. Actually what's funny is this retarded looking thing is the only cylinder bore choke mossberg sells for the 500

>>64085561
Woox shit is fucking garbage, you're better off spending that money on a couple of flats of shells to practice with.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/1mc0f6x/woox_gladiatore_poor_quality_or_did_i_get_a_lemon/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/1lcx8k4/quality_issue_with_woox_stock/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Shotguns/comments/14had4w/update_woox_gladiatore_stock_issue/
>inb4 reddit

>>64086171
i-its not gay!
>>64086598
>Woox shit is fucking garbage
That's a bummer. Just out of curiosity, what makes them garbage?
I might just get a retro grade 500 and refinish it.
Or get a security barrel for the old wood stock 20 gauge I already have.

>>64086804
>i-its not gay
If it ain't gay, then its lipstick on pig tier.
I'd put that money towards a nice semi auto like a Beretta A400 or a 1301.

>>64077532
>entire retarded doubling-down hinges on stock fitment
how many people at those classes have their shotguns professionally fit to them, mongo? Here's your answer: zero. Even the ones with adjustable drop and comb height haven't done so. Shut the fuck up and start backpedaling, you faggy pseud

>>64083184
That's exactly what we're trying to get the overcompensating fraud posting ITT to understand. Thank you for the succinct summary of all intelligent points

>>64087700
>sloppy strawman
Point to where I said it had to be custom fit. Just use the shims and spacers that good sporting guns come with and commercially available compact stocks for defense guns.

>>64083184
Yeah, "Just Get a Shotgun" and never train with it.

>>64079908
I kind of agree. Look at what typical urban youths have at their disposal. If you just have a pump scattergat, you’re outclassed.
I like them all the same but don’t bring a tube mag to a drum mag gunfight.

>>64087786
Fine, then anon should get a whole flat of Federal Flitecontrol and train reloads at least 1 time a month. Doesn't mean he has to care about the extra uses of the 26 inch barrel.

>>64087949
I mean, they usually don't aim and scatter when shot at.

>>64087949
>If you just have a pump scattergat, you’re outclassed.
Any resistance is enough to make these retards scatter. You are more likely to be hit by a stray round as a bystander than the intended target of a basketball american feud. People severely overestimate the ability of gangbangers.

>>64087949
someone competent with a shotgun outclasses all of that

>>64087709
nah, you a faggot, go mag dump into trash
>>64083184
cause he's just gunna have a gun that sits around and he never shoots

>>64078067
See if you have a local trap range, I've only ever played solo but it's still super fun, feels less pretentious than golf but definitely not as boring.

>>64089118
He said he has other guns to shoot he just doesn't want to use them as a ghetto blaster, which is a completely valid reason given how cops can fuck up your nice guns. Besides who gives a fuck if he doesn't shoot it often. Should he train? Definitely, but it's not like everyone needs to squeeze every ounce of gun out of a $225 shotgun.

>>64089161
not exactly like I'd cry over cops taking my mossberg 500, which I can also use for hunting and clays

>>64089186
Well, me an you can go do a shootoff at the trap range while anon shoots his AK and leaves the Maverick 88 at home. Everyone wins.

>>64088917
The old man died later because of a heart attack he sustained because of the robbery attempt.

>>64083184
>rounds of flight control
Why do people recommend this for HD so often? A round designed to extend the range of buckshot as much as possible by keeping the pattern extremely tight sounds like the exact opposite of what one would want for HD. Why is this? It seems completely backwards.

>>64090040
I'm not well read on this subject, but you want to minimize the spread entropy as much as you can if you're defending yourself in a populated area. I've heard of ninth pellet flyers, and I'm concerned about it happening to me if I use a shotgun to defend my home.

I was asking about the maverick 88 and its cylinder bore in this thread earlier. I found this youtube vid where a guy demonstrates the spread with flitecontrol with a maverick 88. The pattern at 10yrds is exactly what I need.
https://youtu.be/Fpkn-DNrqfY

>>64090040
you aren't going to get a significant spread at HD ranges anyway and a lot of people are weirdly paranoid about the 9th pellet flyer thing, when the better answer is just to know which directions are generally safer to shoot
the other thing is that in theory you want the bbs to basically go in on top of each other. you get better penetration from #1 buck because if 1 bb follows the same path as the other it's like racecar drafting and it will go deeper and the fbi stuff usually just cares about penetration depth
also some people for some reason care about longer rangers.
IDK I have #4 powershok. I think 27 pellet because that's the min load that meets the FBIs penetration standard and it's less likely to go through my walls and through my neighbor's exterior walls

>>64090697
>, but you want to minimize the spread entropy as much as you can if you're defending yourself in a populated area
That raises question of why pick a shotgun in the first place, a weapon whose SOLE PURPOSE is to create a spread pattern?

>>64091686
I stated it above before, I don’t want to use something “scary looking”.

>>64091686
something something mock jury something something

>>64090040
>>64091686
You don't want the pattern to spread TOO much, causing the pellets to go around a guy with most of the pellets not hitting him. Flight control minimizes the odds of that happening.

>>64091731
There are great HD options that are neither shotguns nor scary black assault rifles.

>>64091873
>You don't want the pattern to spread TOO much
Unless you live in Versailles, that's not a concern.

>>64091890
>There are great HD options
Like a handgun? I’m quite fond of my handguns and I don’t trust a < $300 pistol. The maverick 88 is a proven and reliable gun. What is your problem?

>>64090040
>A round designed to extend the range of buckshot as much as possible by keeping the pattern extremely tight sounds like the exact opposite of what one would want for HD.
What you want in a HD shotgun is retarded and a meme.
The desirable pattern puts all the buckshot in the target. At most HD ranges it's all 9 in a fist sized hole regardless of choke or flight control whatever. Most defensive shotguns are cylinder bore, so no chokes. Flight control wads hold that tight group for longer distances.
>>64091686
>That raises question of why pick a shotgun in the first place, a weapon whose SOLE PURPOSE is to create a spread pattern?
You seem to think a shotgun is supposed to increase your hit probability with a wide pattern while half the pellets miss.

>>64092031
>At most HD ranges it's all 9 in a fist sized hole regardless of choke or flight control whatever.
Agreed 100%. Hence why I'm wondering why some people seem to insist on Flite Control ammo.

>You seem to think a shotgun is supposed to increase your hit probability with a wide pattern
Yes, that is literally the purpose of a shotgun. That's what they're for.

> while half the pellets miss.
home defense ranges aren't long enough for that to be a concern unless you live in a palace. I'm talking about the irony of the situation, nothing more.

>>64091943
>Like a handgun?
Not what I had in mind, long guns are much better.

>What is your problem?
Well, at first I was trying to understand your ammo choice. Then, after you mentioned you were worried about fliers, I questioned why you'd choose a shotgun at all. At the time I didn't realize you were the same person who had the low budget and was worried about jury optics.
Shotgun make perfect sense if you want a weapon that is both inexpensive and not uber scary to a jury, I am no longer questioning your weapon choice. I am still wondering why you're worried about spread so much. Do you happen to live in a huge home?

100 lb midget here, the recoil on 12 gauge #00 buckshot is a bit much for my ability.
would 12 gauge #3 buckshot cause any less recoil ?

>>64092070
Size of buckshot doesn't affect recoil. What matters is the velocity and the pellet count. Look for "low recoil" buckshot. If you don't see that on the label then pick options with lower velocity and lower pellet counts.

>>64092070
Not really, in buckshot ammo shot size only changes the pellet count, not the weight of the payload. You would have to either go out of your way to find low recoil ammo that has a reduced pellet count, or invest in a smaller gauge like 20 gauge.

>>64092067
No, my house is quite modest. My concern is being forced to shoot some home invader (very rare in my area, but in the off chance…) in front of a window and a pellet hitting someone walking their dog. Or the doggo. I also wouldn’t want to damage property >>64092067

>>64092084
12 gauge seems to be the most common shotgun, so I guess its the most effective and adaptable.
I had figured that the circle packing does not work out for 00 buck in smaller gauge shotshells.
and that 410 might be a bit too small.
>>64092100
neat, fewer faster and smaller pallets makes to me.

I just fucking love shotguns, bros.

>>64092175
20 gauge is fun and common.

Been really tempted to buy the original stock used in walking dead since I coincidentally already have the same 590. Talk me out of it.

>>64092469
Eh, the stock is cheap on ebay so who cares, just dont throw away the old stock.

>>64092529
Well yeah duh. Who in their right mind throws out gun parts? I’m just temped to buy the stock for shits and giggles

>>64092469
You actually should, it looks and feels like a piece of shit, and if you tighten it too much the stock bolt will disable the trigger OR work itself loose depending on how well you perfectly screwed it in. But, it really reduces recoil even with the heavier 12ga loads.

>>64092541
The main driving factor is for fun, also I’ve always wanted a pistol grip stock for my shotgun, unfortunately Mossberg has limited options and they all look dumb. So I might as well get a dumb one with some larp factor.

>>64092551
Yeah it’ll be fine then, just remember what I said about the stock bolt and it’ll save you the headache, but I’m serious between the fat limbsaver on the back and the sliding roller cam thing it really makes you want to blast 12ga all day. I installed one on a buddy’s 500 and once the kinks were worked out, it worked great.

>>64092563
Sounds good. Though I will say the 590 with the out of the box stock is more than enough to soak up recoil. I’ve shot 20-40 rounds at a time and felt little to no fatigue. It’s why I love the 590 so much. I may even get a little pic rail for it just to mount my Eotech holosight for more giggles.

>>64092541
>and if you tighten it too much the stock bolt will disable the trigger OR work itself loose depending on how well you perfectly screwed it in.
This sound exactly like you bought a stock and installed it with missing or incomplete parts.
The stuff it's supposed to have which is a bolt washer and lock washer set it up perfectly spaced and stops the problems you mentioned. If you left out the washer, lock washer or both then your have those problems.

Is there a good reason I shouldn't get a Vang Comp SBS?

>>64092541
Would blue loc-tite help? I wanna blast 250 slugs for a drill but I also enjoy having a shoulder.

>>64092598
It had all those things but it was still the incorrect length screw, we had to trim it for everything to lock up tight.

>>64092622
It’ll be fine, once we fitted it, it hasn’t come loose in like 10 years.

>>64092661
Well there were multiple screw lengths that changed over time. Probably got the wrong one.

>>64092673
The 500 we were putting it on had spent it’s life being thrown in truck beds and had a pistol grip on it previously, also made in the early 80’s so who knows what the fuck it was missing, the safety was pinned forward by a spent .380 casing because someone dropped it years ago and shattered it, it’s wild the thing still works to be frank.

>>64092685
Nah I mean the stock bolt for plastic stocks and the one for wood are different lengths. Hell the wood one changed a bunch of times. So just cause you ordered a Mossberg 500 bolt doesn't mean it was right for the stock you bought. The threads would be right but the length who the hell knows.

>>64092685
I love janky guns, my buddy has an AK and one of the axis pins is a machine bolt and nut. I think it gives it character.

Is pic related worth it?

Anons I have never purchased any kind of tax light for a firearm, but I think I should get one for our A300 Ultima, since it's for HD. Am I gonna be spending about a buck fifty or more no matter what? Or is there a good option out there for under a hundred?

>>64092906
>Tac* light

>>64092906
This
>https://www.amazon.com/Fyland-Ring-Mount-Flashlight-Handguard/dp/B07XP4LJG3/
And this
>https://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-88850-PolyTac-Flashlight-Batteries/dp/B001S0IN46/

Are there any good RDS to put on a Mossberg 500 that are under $200? Im looking at the Sig Romeo5 but I wonder if there's any other options.

>>64092974
Thank you!

>>64092691
It came in a plastic clam shell package man that my friend bought at a gun store, we didn’t order anything, and it said Mossberg 500 both on the packaging and the side of his gun, idk what happened but it worked eventually and still works.

>>64092175
>I had figured that the circle packing does not work out for 00 buck in smaller gauge shotshells.
Correct. Circle packing affects this. 12ga can hold 000 in two pellets per layer, 00 in 3 pellets per layer, and so on. Things get different in smaller gauges, you will not find a 000 20ga load for example because they don't pack well for that. But you will find 000 .410 loads because in that case they fit in a single straight row.

>>64092100
>buckshot ammo shot size only changes the pellet count, not the weight of the payload.
The two go hand-in-hand. A 12ga 18-pellet 00 load has twice the payload mass of a 9-pellet load, and will have much higher recoil.

Thinking of putting together an "slick" HD shotgun using a streamlight tl racker forend and mossberg shell storage stock pic related. Everything a HD shotgun needs without anything hanging off the side of the gun.
Anyone have any experience with this weapon light or stock?

>>64092599
From what I understand the Vang Comp barrels don't play well with flitecontrol or versatite loads.
>>64092815
Only if you're an actual breacher IRL and not LARPing
>>64092993
Holosun ARO. Would unironically prefer giving Ping Ping money over Sig at this point. No I don't care that their optics division is different than their firearm division.

>>64095606
>Holosun ARO
Well they're both made in China so I might as well cut out the middleman.

>>64094382
I've read that the racker is easy to turn on even with light pressure so you might accidentally turn on your light. I've thought about getting one too.

>>64092315
>>64092175
>>64092100
>>64092070
>less recoil with 12 GA

Try minishells (the shells are 1⅞ inch long). There are adapters for Mossberg 500/590 MAV88 series receivers to cycle standard length shells and minis.

If you enjoy cocaine and have a Keltec KSG, they naturally cycle minishells or standard shells without modification.

>>64094382
some: the TL racker feels weird and isn't a very good light, with bad controls. I moved to the hogue rubberized short LoP furniture and loved it. Do that and figure out a different light setup

>>64060231
>>64059155

Not that guy but also thinking about an A300 Ultima Patrol. Do you really need to change the tube spring to a stronger one or is that a meme?

Also is there any real difference between the 18.5 and 19.1 models?

>>64098641
Nta but I had a Surefire fore end and while it has great controls and format, it’s huge and heavy, especially because I started doing sporting clays so it just made it a workout to just pump the gun. Not really a problem in home defense, and I ended up with that hogue short fore end and love it, it was also an excuse to get it in the pack with the pistol grip which is surprisingly comfy but makes aiming harder obviously.

>>64098666
Total meme, me and my buddy have run his A300UP for like 700 rounds and his gun is stock, absolutely vanilla. You'll be fine.

>>64092815
They're a lot more useful than you'd think

>>64094382
the stocks are rattly and noisy, shell retention wasnt great. they stayed for the most part but if you did certain movements you could make them fly out. for example if you slung it and sprinted those are gone by the time you stopped running.
you dont really want it.

>>64092993
you can get a Primary Arms SLX 1x prism optic for right at $200

>>64092815
>>64100050
If you can somehow get a 590S Shorty with shortshells

>>64094382
https://tactaload.com/product/gunstock/

>>64101327
Tried it with the adapter. Minishells are trash so the +1 to capacity isn't really worth it.

>>64094382
I have a speedfeed stock, and while it looks cool, function isn't fantastic. I've had shells pop out during firing. Long shells (3" or 3/4" with roll crimp) do fit 2 per side, but just barely. I don't think you could fit two 3 1/2" shells into one side.

>>64057357
There’s a few GB sellers I keep an eye on. I’ve won low bids on an 870 SBS and an M1 SBS, and each time the seller had a batch of guns, and would keep delisting. I just waited out the first few of the same type that were listed.

>>64064792
I don’t know about the HD and tactical, both are NuRem and at some point they changed from the +2 mag extension with detent on the barrel jug to the dimpled full length tube (less desirable IMO). I have a 1989 Express I rebuilt to Pokice specs and it’s pretty solid, so just bc it’s not a Wingmaster doesn’t mean it’s crap but you can’t go wrong buying a used 870P. Newer Remingtons and the non-Police/Wingmasters are known to have shit finishes.

>>64065375
If I went Mossie, that’s the one.

>>64082542
SBS enjoyer gets it

>>64092070
Worked with plenty of not-so-competent chicks under 100lbs who were fine with reduced recoil 00 and slugs.

>>64094382
I just got a used Speedfeed stock for my 870 and it’s actually a lot better than expected. The 2 rounds on each side are secure but easy to remove when you get the feel of it.

>>64101467
How do you like your pump light?

Bimp

>>64057357
https://aimsurplus.com/categories/firearm/police-trade-ins

>>64101777
Nta but I wish it was a bit brighter but I’m sure you could just change the head or bulb something, they’re heavy, quite large and bulky, and have a great set of built-in touch controls, including 2 brightness settings that it remembers. It’s probably better nowadays to just direct mount a flashlight to the barrel with an mlok mount or something for a less intrusive setup.

But dat classic look though.

I want to upgrade from my Maverick 88 to a Stoeger M3000. What mod would (you) suggest for this shotgun? Also, how am I supposed to mount a weapon light to it?

>>64103611
That’s more of a downgrade than an upgrade, no?

>>64103617
Why so? Other than a decrease in reliabilty, it seems like an upgrade in every other way.

>>64103645
Without even having prior knowledge of the gun I’m going to bet from the name it’s Turkish, and a semi-auto of low-quality. *Googles* And ya know what? I’m right and they seem to have endless extractor and feeding issues, again not sure why you want a downgrade, you should be buying a Beretta or Benelli, even the Browning Maxis 2, while expensive, at least it works and really tames 12ga recoil.

Anybody here that still owns an OG Saiga 12? How is it holding up?

>>64103788
Not exactly OG anymore, heavily modified. But yeah it runs great.

Anyone know what these letters on this Rem 870 wingmaster could be, not sure if it is a v or lowercase x, trying to date it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/vh0XQKXFjA8?si=OywEfuUpti6G-STE

Does anyone recognize this muzzle device and heat shield combo? Is it a custom job?

>>64105258
That's the fucking old tacstar that came with worthless sights and sights removed. No clue on muzzle

>>64105258
>Cringe the Shotgun

Thoughts on 12 gauge adapters?

>>64105537
worthless prepper bullshit with some exceptions
the exception being oh this gun is so old im afraid the any real ammo will make it explode, if i stick a 22l lr insert i can safely make grampas heirloom go bang.
everything about them is annoying. annoying to to use, annoying to carry and the performance is crap.
its a fucking 0-2 inch barrel at best that moves around. you arent hitting anything with it consistently. loading/unloading them is annoying, yeah imma going to use this stick to push out the spent shell. and im going to carry around 8 different metal tubes to turn my pump action into a single shot with ammo i looted.
no you arent its prepper bs. just cause you can doesnt mean you should.

>>64105784
Damn

Shotbump

>>64107663
dont ever look up what happened to the gingers have souls kid

>>64108454
Oh no he's a podcaster:(

>>64110103
Oh shit, he really has no soul now.

>>64104198
You still shoot it or so ya baby it now that's its banned?

>>64111251
It wouldn't be the first gun I have to be banned/discontinued, so it really doesn't matter at all. If it breaks they're easy enough to fix on your own.

>>64053408
Love Ithacas, recently applied on a loicense for one because Im europoor, was really happy to find one since theyre pretty rare here. Cost me about 155$

Anyone have a FN P-12? I am debating that vs the new Nova 3, or a 9 shot 590 for like 100$ more.

das rite

>>64113260
I want to do this to my Auto 5 but I need it for sporting clays lol and I know I’d be pissed at having done something so permanent but cool to it. I’m trying to track down another suitable one but it’s really hard to find decent ones that aren’t also like 2k.

>>64112143
Never even heard of any of those guns besides the 590, but a 9 shot tube is too front heavy and clunky. I didn’t even know modern FN made a shotgun besides the old FN-Brownings they used to produce back in the day.

>>64114504
Get one in 16 gauge. They're cheaper.

>>64114532
Gross, then I’d own a 16 gauge! But no lol I’d like to find another Mag 12 Auto 5 like I have because there’s no messing with rings unless you’re shooting 3in ammo.

>>64112213
Is that the Chinese one? The p88 or something?

Christ, my fucking 870's ejector spring broke off. I either dremel it out myself and pay $90 for an upgraded one or pay out a gunsmith to do it right.

I got my first shottie and... am I tripping or is the entire barrel very visibly canted to the left. What the fuck? Is this thing even usable?

>>64116497
Check where the receiver and the barrel is pointing. What the FUCK!? Can a red dot even compensate for such a crazy deviation. Does the bead sight even fucking work?

>>64116288
The whole issue with DIY doing it is the receiver most likely needs to be re-finished if you’re going full hog and replacing the rivet, I’ve seen people weld it, and my buddy just ignores it since besides flopping around, the way his particular one broke doesn’t really affect functionality if you give it a firm pump.

>>64116497
>>64116500
take the extension off and reinstall it

>>64116780
I did a few times, it looks the same with the extension and the regular 4 shot tube

>>64116830
is the bolt back while you are tightening it? check if the ejector is damaged, that thing should be indexing the barrel. if its broken thats guns fucked has to go to remington time.

>>64112143
I believe the P-12 is discontinued. The Nova 3 922(R) compliant model with the MLOK pump has a great feature-set but you're stuck with the stock because it and the receiver are one piece. If you're ok with the stock length I say get it.

>>64050355 (OP)
I need some advice from some genuine retards like me. Finally moved out of the family house so I can build /k/ monstrosities with noone the wiser. I've had an idea bouncing around my head the past 5ish years of a triple barrel slamfire shotgun. I left my 4570 a few states back since I dont really feel like having a gun safe in the cheapo apartment I got but figure whats the damage if a piece of shit like this gets swiped.

Here comes my question. We've all seen designs for a basic single shot one of these, hell plastik gatz made that one guide that even a single arm wheelchair bound gorilla could piece one together. But im not sure how to make a three barreled version fit if that makes sense? any suggestions for stock design and keeping the barrels together? also contemplating front grip design. This thing is gonna be heavy unless someone knows an alternative material that might make the pipes lighter without sacrificing integredy. Also is there a reccomendation for easy extraction since I'm aware these pieces of shit tend to have expanding shells? maybe an incesion in the back of the barrel to easily pry the casing?

or should I give up my dreams and find a poorly aged auto 5 this christmas?

would ask diy but didnt see the thread up. if you got any suggestions that you think would help this drunken dream I will watch dillegently.

>>64117376
Just... Weld it, dude. Making extractors is beyond you right now, so keep some dowel rods handy.

>>64116723
Mine snapped clean off. I could leave it, I've heard the extractor actually does most of the work but I don't like the idea of it jamming on empty shells when I need it to work

>>64117417
Well in that case a hooker is much cheaper than both.

>>64050355 (OP)
Are these chink 870’s any good

>>64115466
yeah Chinese

>>64118830
with most their magazine tubes are longer than standard 870s so the barrels also aren’t compatible which is a baffling design choice

>>64118830
they were better than rem expresses 2007-2019
still meh though.
the stock and forend add 1lb over rem parts. for 200 its fine

>>64116497
>>64116500
>>64116830
>Remington

Shotguns are my favorite type of firearms.
>ywn shoot trap with the boys and your Win 1897s in france.

>>64119263
I saw them go for 140ish on gun deals

>>64121264
I think most of em were 125-200 new. >>64119214
The longer mag makes it 5+1 which is an extra round compared to an 870s 4+1. Yeah you miss out on compatibility but the extra round on a cheap gun is a selling point. Most new rem barrels would cost more than that gun anyways.

>>64102320
How beat up are those guns? The prices dont seem to bad.

>>64081607
You have to zero a shotgun?

>>64086598
This pic... Man why can't we have this

What's th most basic bitch sf load for a pumper?

>>64122577
Kinda? You shoot a target and determine where your shot patterns vs where you were aiming with your bead. Some shotguns have adjustable beads you move, and of course you still zero optics when you mount them.

>>64122932
If the gun fits you properly and you know how to properly mount the gun then you always know where the pattern will land with respect to the bead.

The main purpose of "patterning" is to figure out how dense and how large your pattern is with a particular combination of shell and choke, which is relevant for hunting birds and small game or shooting clays. Typically this is done by counting the number of pellets striking in a 30 inch circle. You use the feedback to decide if you need to change chokes or to switch to larger or smaller shot sizes.

>>64122577
yeah

>page 10
Not on my watch, I like the shotgun threads

Need 1301

How do I train with my shotgun when buckshot and slugs are so fucking expensive now... Never into reloading but thinking maybe I should

>>64130036

Soz /SG/ I didn't actually sage, forgot to take that out my post after disapproving of a different thread. Pls halp I am poorfag

>>64130046

I'm retard

>>64130036
At a skeet or trap range. The ammo is cheaper, the training is better, and it's a lot more fun to shoot moving reactive targets vs. stationary ones.

Shotgun in French is "fusil de chasse"

>>64050559
Amen to that.

>>64131398

You should be getting a check for posting photos like that jfc

>>64131438
Like this?

>>64050867
The old top folder made by Remington.

>>64132907
That’s actually classified as a torture device, not a stock.

Can i get an ID on the gun?

>>64134421
fab arms stf 12

Took my M4 out and did some shootan.

>>64134939
Thank you!

>>64135803
Nice, what slugs were you blasting? Distance?

>>64135803
>dat wood
870 stock and what did you use for the fore grip? Tell me your secrets please.

>>64135971
Nta but it’s not an 870 stock.

>>64135986
Then what is? The checkering is very mid 90s Remington and I can't think of anything else.

>>64135945
Challenger brand 12 gauge target slugs at distance in pic rel. Around 30'ish meters.

>>64136012
I think you might need glasses my man.

>>64135971
Its wood furniture from a turkshit clone. However I found out its sold separately from the turkshit guns, so I decided to buy it and did a bit of gunsmithing (waiting 2 hours with a heatgun trying to get the recoil tube loose with the benelli in a vice) and then used an M8 nut and loctite tape on the thread to keep the wood buttstock snug and tight.

>>64136028
Neat. Well done.

>>64136044
Actually I forgot to add in the link to the store where I bought them.
>https://theammosource.com/revolution-armory-replacement-wood-furniture-for-r4-12-ga/?searchid=0&search_query=r4

I'm fairly certain they can ship out from leafland.

>>64136019
>30 meters
Damn, someone is ready for deer season, you use a choke or is that just pure cylinder?

>>64136279
The latter.
Although I had to move a bit closer for my buckshot rounds to hit the target.

I need a HD shotgun, chat.

how bad are target loads for defense?

>>64137105
Better than nothing in a pinch but become pretty useless after about 20 feet if not shorter.

>pic related was shot with #5 shot by an elderly hunter who was confused.

>Vid related got shot with birdshot.
https://youtu.be/ZwwcPfFj7sY

Plenty of people have been killed with target loads, but if you look them up, they're usually killed at very close distances.

>>64137485
How the fuck

>>64137105
People have been shot point blank against their heads with target loads and all it did was scalp the area and make them pass out for awhile.

>>64137608
I call bullshit on that. I once shot a cow skull with that cheap Federal #8 that walmart would often have on sale. Distance was about 10 feet it blasted a silver-dollar hole clear through it, both sides. And this was through the thickest part of the bone. At point blank range it might as well be a slug.

>>64136696
I really want to do this to a Benelli M3

>>64137608
People have been shot point blank against the head with .45 and all it did was zip around the curvature of their skull and pop out of their chin, so weird shit always happens. 99.999999% of the time getting shot with a target load of 1 and 1/8 oz of #7.5 shot at 1200 fps will explode your head at point blank.

>>64137485
>Better than nothing in a pinch but become pretty useless after about 20 feet if not shorter.
This reminds me of a scene from an old Western I saw on TV years ago.
An old gunslinger was teaching a younger guy how to shoot. They had a bunch of bottles lined up in front of a shack and let loose with a side-by-side. The first shot obliterates the bottles and damages the shack behind. The young man is shocked with how powerful the gun was. Then he shoots from a longer distance. The shot hits the side of the shack but all it does is kick up dust, no damage done, guy is clearly disappointed in its effectiveness. The old guy says something about "you better remember that if you want to shoot a man with a squirrel gun"

>>64138456
>he tried to Cheney himself
damn

>>64137600
Don't go hunting with old people who started forgetting what day it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>64138981
Im sure I got the distances wrong but yeah, birdshot loses energy pretty fast, but it'll fuck you up if not outright kill you if you shoot someone from say...your bed to your window or door.
>pic related is a good primer to guess how your target load would wound/kill someone

>here is a video of H. S. Thompson fucking with a camera crew by having his neighbor shoot at them from far away with birdshot.
https://youtu.be/NHeSC_Ws5Ic

Who makes the CS launcher that goes on the end of an 870?

How are the Chinese “Blue Line” 870 clones? Comparable to Mav 88 quality?

>>64137652
a skull is a dried husk of what it once was and the results would have been different against hydrated bone filled with marrow, blood vessels and plasma and surrounded by and filled with tissues of varying densities you stupid fucking windowlicking hillbilly

What would be the most suitable shotgun for a maid to use for a mansion/home defense situation that also 'suits' them aesthetically & thematically? Without going too into detail I have an idea for an OC/character but don't know a lot about guns, but I've heard shotguns are apparently great for home defense situations. Some details relating to the needs of the maid are
>There is an expectation for the mansion she is working at to be intruded frequently and at any time
>She is expected to fight multiple intruders at once, anywhere from 3-to-6 people
>It can't be anything too cheap or "pedastrian" cause her master/employer is a snob
>She will have to clean up whatever 'mess' she makes after so she would like to minimise damage to the mansion itself as much as possible
>She has an extensive familiarity with firearm usage and has taken part in numerous gunfights prior to her employment as a maid

>>64101339
>adapter

OPSOL is not a good idea when you can use the Defenser Tactical adapter, which makes your 590/500 receiver into a 590S receiver (able to cycle full length shells and minishells, so you can run a mixed tube if ypu want).

Minishells are okay. They have less kick, so I let my wife use them instead of getting a 20 GA.

>>64141150
Oh yeah, my bad, when the bone is wet it totally would have been bulletproof.

>>64141451
>I've heard shotguns are apparently great for home defense situations
Did you ask yourself why? That's mainly because they are relatively cheap and home defense situations don't involve large numbers of attackers. That's the exact opposite of your scenario, where there's a lot of attackers and the people are rich enough to have maids.

>>There is an expectation for the mansion she is working at to be intruded frequently and at any time
They should have guards at the door. Dedicated maid guards, if you like.

>>She is expected to fight multiple intruders at once, anywhere from 3-to-6 people
Shotgun is terrible for large numbers of attackers.

>>It can't be anything too cheap or "pedastrian" cause her master/employer is a snob
Rich fuckers LOVE shotguns. In fact, fancy shotguns perfectly match the classic Victorian maid. But we're talking fine double guns, not something that would be good for engaging multiple attackers. The closest thing that I can come up with--something old, expensive, yet still suitable for multiple attackers, would be something like presentation model Auto-5 or Winchester 1887/1901

Is there only one maid? If you have more than one, you can have the main one shoot multiple double-barrel shotguns, with the others acting as loaders and passing her loaded guns as needed. That's how driven bird shoots worked in high society. You'd buy a set of shotguns, and while you were shooting one your servant would be reloading the other. Then you'd swap guns. If you were a real baddass you'd use three guns with two loaders. For example:
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill
So, perhaps she has two or three super fancy richfag double guns--Purdey, Holland & Holland, Boss, John Dickson, etc, and a couple of assistants who load for her?

>>64141451
>>She will have to clean up whatever 'mess' she makes
reminds me of this

>>64092469
I just popped on an 8-shot cruiser, and I'm gonna do this too. Just gotta find one that isn't $150 "know whatta got".
>>64092541
You're talking about the recoil-reducing version. The shotgun used by Shane on twd used the "NRS" version that didn't slide back & forth to reduce recoil.

>>64142075
>Did you ask yourself why?
Not particularly in truth, I just kind of did a quick google search and the thing I read said they were great for home invasion and that was really it. I just assumed cause it was an indoor/enclosed area that was the reason they were ‘good’. Should I perhaps look at a different type of gun instead to suit her needs?
>They should have guards at the door. Dedicated maid guards, if you like.
Without going too into the details there are other maid guards (4) but they aren’t allowed to patrol/guard the area because they’re supposed to “not exist” and be a deniable asset (political fuckery blah blah blah). The people watching the doors are basically hired to seem unassuming to onlookers and die with the expectation they set off the alarm before doing so
>something old, expensive, yet still suitable for multiple attackers, would be something like presentation model Auto-5 or Winchester 1887/1901
The auto-5 has a really nice look to it, I like how many rounded edges it seems to have. The video I saw of it in action seems like it’d be great for blasting down hallways. The Winchester seems like it’d be good too but for some reason I don’t feel as drawn to it.
>Is there only one maid?
Technically no; there are other maids in the mansion (‘combat’ maids, who are supposed to be well trained and deniable security assets, and normal maids with no combat skill whatsoever.) The other combat maids on duty are usually overseeing different areas of the mansion, and the mansion is so big that in the circumstance of an intrusion they’re largely going to be fighting solo most of the time. Normal maids are expected to bunker down and wait it out until things are all clear. The multiple shotguns thing is cool though not gonna lie, but I don’t want to push things too far into the realm of crazy.
>>64142655
Not far off what’s gonna be happening desu