Thread 64053988

Unironically, Turkey's 5th-gen fighter holds more promise than the Russian Su-57.

If you disagree, you’re likely out of step with the latest developments.

>>64053988 (OP)
Built by Turkey. Bad.

>>64053988 (OP)
>my vaporware is better than yours
no one cares, t*rkroach

>>64053988 (OP)
setting the Su-57 as the bar is a low hurdle

>>64053988 (OP)
Su-75 prototype late this year or early next year will mog both of those 4.5 gen aircraft.

>>64053988 (OP)
has turkey ever made more than single digit numbers of jet engines?

>>64054187
Exactly. Turkey saying they will make a jet engine in a couple of years sounds like one of the biggest scams when it took China decades.

>>64054158
> late this year
It doesn't matter when you read this

>>64053988 (OP)
Turkey is entering an economic depression, they wont build more than a few airframes. They simply lack the money.

>>64054187
Turkey has multiple jet engine projects, the existing ones are for drones, training jets and helicopters.

The jet engine for KAAN will be around by 2028

>>64054187
>Exactly. Turkey saying they will make a jet engine in a couple of years sounds like one of the biggest scams when it took China decades.

This is not 1960s anon. 3D metal printing, EBAM, and other things are available in customer scale. Computers have great CFD tools and CAD & CAM software. A country like Turkey can now produce jet engines.

>>64054270
This plane is likely to receive more than 300 orders from foreign customers by 2030. You can screenshot this post.

>>64053988 (OP)
>KAAN

>>64054158
What's that supposed to be? The LTA checkmate mock-up showcased in 2021 MAKS was a different airframe.

>>64054409
>Checkmate

It's called the Femboy

>>64053988 (OP)
Is this an homage to everyone's favourite mongolian general?

>>64054409
It's from these patents.
https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&DocNumber=137276&TypeFile=html
https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&DocNumber=137277&TypeFile=html
https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&DocNumber=137278&TypeFile=html
https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUDE&DocNumber=137279&TypeFile=html
4 new versions including 2 seater and unmanned.

>>64054819
Only because Faggot was taken by you.

>>64053988 (OP)
>piece of shit will be better than bucket of diarrhea
No shit sherlock. And neither are stealth.

>>64053988 (OP)

Indonesia just ordered 48 of these, which makes it more successful than Su-58

>>64054193
To be fair, Turkey has had a lot more opportunity to reverse-engineer Western engines than the Chinese did. I agree that timeline is ridiculous though.

Looking at the absolute state of FCAS(thank you Sr.Trappier), forget about Russia Turkey may be competitive with European aerospace now, though I think that says more about the latter than the former. Perhaps GCAP might salvage things but there doesn’t seem to be much groundbreaking being done there. Concepts show tails similar to YF-23, meaning it’s not going to be particularly LO vs peers, while the impressive range marketed is apparently the result of just carrying that much fuel, rather than any investment in VCE technology. I hope you guys get your shit together because I don’t want to be comparing F-47 to darkiestuff as the nearest competitors.

testing of DIRCM that will be installed on Kaan

>>64053988 (OP)
sublime

>>64053988 (OP)
>5th gen
Lol, lmao. But yes, apart from that you're correct.

>>64053988 (OP)
>front inspired by US planes, rear inspired by Poccnian planes
unholy combination

>>64058798
It loos closer to a F-14 with tilted rudders.

>>64057919
Serious question; which country has the highest number of computer, electronics, and mechanical engineers?

-UK
-France
-Germany
-Italy
-Spain
-Turkey

>>64053988 (OP)
it won't be 5th gen until well into 2030s.

>>64054270
>entering
nigger we're in it for a decade now

>>64053988 (OP)
Yes. But to be fair, a monkey with a 10 cent balloon holds more promise than the Russian Su-57.

Su-57 is made excellent by the ability to carry four X-69s internally. They're Storm Shadow equivalents. Their ability to be picked up earlier than F-35s/F-22s is nullified when on the deep strike role.

>Unironically, Turkey's 5th-gen fighter holds more promise than the Russian Su-57.
Yes, it does. Because Turkey actually spent the recent decades developing and fielding new capabilities and industries to support them. It doesn't matter if some of them are bad or not as good, the main point is that they consistently progress and make things. When was the last time russians actually developed new shit which wasn't "we've designed this in late USSR times, but the project was shelved for the lack of money, so now we'll dust it off and do PR campaign around it"? Literally all of the projects either failed or never materialized at all. So yes, Turkey by definition is better, because it's actually moving forward.

>>64054158
Did they ever make a non-plywood prototype of the Femboy?

>>64060253
>carry four X-69s internally
>Su-57
you wot m8?

>>64060253
The Kh-69 is good but in most cases the Su-57 fires modernized Kh-59 missiles which are some of the Russian missiles that are most likely to be shot down.

>>64060292
The only good thing it has are the long bays

>>64053988 (OP)
How many have they built? I'm not interested in comparing two pieces of vapourware

>>64055389
Faggot was already taken by Puccia

>>64060321
Not long enough for those

>>64060353
The 69 was designed for it...

>>64060344
No, that's NATO Fagot.
9K111 is the slavshit Fagot.
Get your shit together, faggot.

>>64060387
>>64060344

Gentlemen calm down, you're both faggots.

>>64060325
1 airworthy prototype is built. 6 more prototypes are in construction

Do they have plans for a low ir engine?

>>64058335
Why is the AA missile blured out?

>>64053988 (OP)
What's with all the Turkey shilling here recently?

>>64053988 (OP)
Well no shit, they still have access to western tech.

>>64061330
They don't want to put a "contains paid promotion" watermark on the video.

>>64053988 (OP)
Did the Chinks simply sell them the stolen tech? This is literally just a J-35.

>>64053988 (OP)
produce more than 20 and i'll agree.

>>64061374
As far as i am aware, only the seat will be western in this aircraft. TAI signed a deal for 100+ seats with Martin Baker for Kaan and Hurjet.

>>64061811
More like a f35 since they were on the program until the s400 incident

>>64063628
>Hurjet
Airbus announced they will enter in the development for the hurjet, they basically bought all the rights and 95% of everything in it will be spanish made.

>>64053988 (OP)
>>64060791
Isn't it just a metal flash hider basically for jet engines? Why does every country struggle and give up when trying to make these stealth nozzles? Does it make the aircraft too uncontrollable? Does the heat from the exhaust melt right through? I don't get it

>>64063784
No surprise, spanish jets will probably have some Spanish parts.

Turkey has sold armed drones to 40+ countries, and allowed buyers to install their own shit onto these aircrafts.

>>64061340
You VİLL buy Törkiş weapons.

>>64063821
You're giving up a lot of performance and adding a lot of weight if it's vectoring. Current KAAN has less powerful than desired F110 engines and the plane does not even have RAM paint yet. Flat nozzles are premature. Right now it's in the phase of it's pretty good if we can make our own F-15.

>>64053988 (OP)
Any 5th gen project that uses another country's engines shouldnt be taken seriously

>>64053988 (OP)
>Third worlders
>5th Gen Fighter

Pick one (1).

>>64053988 (OP)
>Unironically, Turkey's 5th-gen fighter holds more promise than the Russian Su-57.

fucking insanity

>>64064146
TF35000 will make its debut by 2028

>>64059024
India probably has loads but that doesn't mean a lot if they're bad at their job does it, turkroach?

>>64065770
i'm not expecting much initially as a turk but it would be really funny if we btfo chinks and even ziggers in fraction of the time. also a nice thing is we're not out of engines when it comes to drones, missiles, and turboprops even if both the west and east tried to cuck us thanks to being basically bro-tier with ukies as much as "le both sides" geopolitics player can be at least.

I'd bet Ukraine and Hungary will operate this jet in 10-15 years (that is, if Ukraine still exists then). Seems like it will be a good option for anyone who wants western standard but isn't close enough with the US to get the top notch gear. I assume it will be cheaper than say GCAP/Tempest or -if it ever flies- FCAS too. And it will probably be available sooner than the fully stealth version of the KF-21 too (the one with internal weapons bays). I could see Pakistan using it too, although they may get the J-35 instead sooner and not have a need for it then.

>>64066874
Indonesia already signed a deal for 48 aircraft

Ukraine, Pakistan, Azerbaijan are likely buyers.

Other potential buyers;
-Malaysia
-Kazakhstan
-Saudi Arabia
-Qatar
-Iraq
-Libya (if they finally solve internal issues)

Wildcards
-Philippines
-Bangladesh
-Egypt
-UAE
-Jordan
-Oman
-Bahrain
-Ethiopia
-Nigeria
-Vietnam

In next decade, Turkey will try to surround Israel by providing its neighboring countries with 5th gen fighter which has very capable AESA radar and very long-range ramjet AA missiles.

>>64067120
not sure about Pakistan, the J-35 will likely be available sooner and seems to fulfill the same role as the Kaan, so what would be the point to operate both?

>Turkey will try to surround Israel by providing its neighboring countries with 5th gen fighter which has very capable AESA radar and very long-range ramjet AA missiles.
Israel will probably operate F-47 by then and still have nuclear weapons.

>>64067128
>>64067128
You might be right. Pakistan is broke, and Chinese offer the military gear along with its financing. Turkey is unlikely to do that. If Chinese give them the J-35, then they might not show interest to the Kaan.

>F-47
Doubt.jpg
US hasn't sold F-22 to any other country. Why would they give F-47 to Israel?

>>64067155
>Why would they give F-47 to Israel?
because Israel has a strong lobby in the US that wants to ensure they maintain their military superiority in the region.

>>64067174
Not sure about this. America would rather bring its own planes into play if shit hits the fan for Israel. But i don't think they would give F-47 to Israel.

>>64067208
i'm pretty sure about it. they only didn't give F-22 to Israel because it wasn't necessary, Israel kept its superiority with plenty F-15/F-16 and F-35 which no neighbor operates. If Turkey or China supply potential rivals with stealth jets, America will give Israel the newest gear.

>>64067237
I'm 100% sure there are still some sensible people in American state that doesn't fully trust Israel with the top level of American military technology.

Israel won't get the F-47, as they didn't get the F-22 or B-2.

>>64067293
Israel is the only country that got very wide access to the F-35 and was allowed to modify its own version, only the US and Israel have testbed versions of the plane. Not even program members like the UK have that.
>Israel won't get the F-47, as they didn't get the F-22 or B-2.
again, they didn't get F-22 or B-2 because they didn't need it to keep their advantage. If the Kaan or J-35 are actually good enough to threaten Israel's superiority with its F-35I fleet, they will fly the F-47, mark my words.

>>64067353
That plane is for US only. Israel, which has a history of providing military assistance and tech transfer to Russia and China, will never get the F-47. You can screenshot this post.

>>64067391
I admire your spirit Mehmet but you'll get a bloody nose if you fly too close to the sun

>>64067434
I'd not trust that a lot. Israel's popularity is going down among the young American population and boomers are a dying breed.

Turkey plays for the time. Not going in immediately like Iranian amateurs do. Doing things silently and steadily.

>>64067632
the pro-israel institutions in the US are as strong as ever
also Israel has a strong domestic industry as well and decent relations with plenty countries
also they have nukes
don't get me wrong, I dislike Turkey, I don't like chauvinist Israel either tho and wouldn't mind them seen humbled, but I don't see it happening.

>>64054158
>late this year or early next year

lmao, SU-75 will flying when the Kuznetsov is sailing.

>>64067652
>the pro-israel institutions in the US are as strong as ever
lol, wait till cheeto is out of the WH and you'll see how the next AD is.