Thread 64055074

what's missing?

>>64055081
shit bait, frog nigger

>>64055074 (OP)
Current production pocket semi autos with a max length of 5 in and max height of 4? I think you got them all. Tomcat has aluminium frame btw.

doesn't taurus have a Beretta clone

>>64055121
Yes, but it's absolute dogshit compared to the Bobcat 21a

>>64055074 (OP)
WTF? PSA is making a baby browning?

why doesn't someone make an internal mag .25 pocket pistol like PLEASE. would be super thin. you dont need to do reloads for these things anyways.

>seecamp is automatically shit because hollowpoint .32 wont expand
>despite being based, babby browning is shit because the safety doesn't click, its just a sliding lever
>beretta is right out for being too big

Colt/FN Vest Pocket

>>64055138
I used to have a .25 Beretta single action, 950bS or something? was extremely small. You could cock the hammer as you drew it with some practice.

>>64055134
i had a similar idea

>>64055074 (OP)
Bodyguard 2.0 and the Beretta Bobcat if .25 ACP counts. P3AT should be added as a bigger .380 alternative to the P32.
>>64055131
Different PSA, they just just make these

>>64055157
>Bodyguard 2.0
Looks really bad and it's like 15 oz despite being plastic.

>>64055074 (OP)
Kahr cw9 and cw380 if you dont mind moonies

Should I buy a keltec p32 or 32 snub for pocket carry?

>>64055340
Snub so you can reliably fire in pocket repeatedly

>>64055171
>weight (unloaded): 11.4 oz

>>64055074 (OP)
Kahr cw380? Also wtf the baby's grip screws shouldn't be walking out in 2 mags let alone 500 rounds
>>64055138
Idk if you're the same anon but send your damn baby in so they can fix the safety!

>>64055074 (OP)
Want a tomcat but finding them for just under $500 feels like too much for one

>>64055081
>bread about smol compact easy to conceal guns
>not name dropping the G42 instead
Do frog fags really?
>inb4 I carry a giant duty sized peestool all the time all day any day pussy!
No you don't and if I'm wrong your probably incredibly fat and could conceal carry a draco or 11.5 AR at that point, either that or your actually enough of a giant autistic man child to unironically wear a trench coat out in public and if that's the case I pity your parents.

>>64055074 (OP)
>what's missing?
NAA-North American Arms black widow 22mag revolver
>inb4 not a center fired cartridge
>inb4 we already got an NAA firearm
Don't care

>>64055763
it's fat, longer and heavier than any gun in OP's image. and doesn't look as good.

>>64055763
>But the g19 is a compact
Yes it is
>that's small
Compared to actual pocket guns nah, perfectly concealable in the middle of Fall/Winter but not exactly ideal in the Summer time.
>but I CC my G19 all the time
Okay you most certainly print anon, either that or you often times casually wear baggy cloths. Of course that's up to you as to whether you actually care if you print or not but unless your in baggy gym shorts in a hoodie regularly everyone knows you have a firearm.

>>64055803
>and doesn't look as good.
That's subjective, I like it's utilitarian no thrills look personally but I'm by no means strictkly a tactirard either since I'm also fond of old Colt Detectives with wood or ivory grips too.

bodyguard 2.0 is missing from the list
>p32 / LCP / BG2.0
>6.9 oz / 9.6 oz / 11.5 oz

>>64055121
I have one and would not recommend. Not reliable.

>>64055074 (OP)
The one and only

>>64055956
Was going to post this

>>64055074 (OP)
A Colt Mustang or on of the copies (Sig P238, Kimber Micro or Springfield 911).

>>64055074 (OP)
Bodyguard 2.0 mogs all of these

>>64055171
Bg2.0 is great, you're bad

>>64055156
Kel-Tec here, you're hired.

>>64055125
That's really saying something because the 21a is a jamming POS

>>64055156
Based

I don't live in a gun friendly place and I'm on the fence with subcompact semi autos for last ditch defense. Full size open/duty carry with easy to manipulate controls and magazines out in the open to reach are one thing but a last minute, "I need to put every single shot into this motherfucker" kind of shoot feels considerably less stressful knowing a wheelgun goes bang every time. Considering the effective distances and all that shit

>>64056881
It mogs the .380s, but only manages to do so by being slightly larger than the LCP. While that's negligible in comparison to other .380s, it's not even close to the .32s in size and concealability. Even the Beretta Tomcat, the biggest of the bunch, is way smaller than the Bodyguard 2.0.

>>64057104
The tomcat is heavier though and the frame will crack with normal strength .380 ammo. Unless you keep your CC in your prison wallet, idk what the point of these ultra tiny pistols in mousefart calibers that are terrible to shoot is.

>>64057143
>idk what the point of these ultra tiny pistols in mousefart calibers that are terrible to shoot is
They are for pointing at John's who didn't pay up

>>64055608
It seems like he got a faulty screw or grip nut then overcorrected by tightening like a gorilla. Unfortunate for him, as it really sucks when your new gun has issues, but I don't think that's a common happening. It's never happened with my old psp grip screws (pre 1997) or new production PSA grip screws for what it's worth. A 6 dollar part is not the worst thing to replace.

>>64057055
its fat and ugly as sin. Not an ounce of artistic value was put into it's design. It's designed by the most lead-brain "how are you doing kids I heard you like glock-slop" boomers. its a mess.

>>64057369
The owner (or woever responds emails) is a schizo.

>>64055074 (OP)
>>64055607
3032 should NEVER be recommended for carry to anyone, EVER.
Why?
Because failure to eject is a death sentence if you're in a situation where you need the gun to function.
Here's how that malfunction unfolds :
Gun fails to eject spent casing
Gun has no extractor because tip up barrel, so you can't clear it by racking the slide
So, to clear the casing and get the gun working again you have to :
-Drop the magazine
-Tip up the barrel
-Pry the spent shell out of the barrel (which will almost certainly require a tool like another spent casing or a car key or a little screw driver, even if they're nickle plated cases (ask me how i know))
-re-insert the magazine
-rack the slide to load a round in the chamber
Congratulations, your gun is working again! And it only took a good 20 seconds or so! Instead of less than 1.

Additionally, the frame is delicate like a spring flower. And even if you keep your ammunition choice to the manufacturer commanded less than 130 foot pounds of muzzle energy, the frame is going to crack like pic related. Unless (after DECADES of it being a known problem) Beretta has redesigned the gun to actually fix the problem.

>>64057518
Lenn? That's a shame if he's responding in an angry manner, he's been quite nice and polite in my emails with him but boomers can be fickle I guess.

>>64057501
The design is 100% functional you dipshit, and is actually pleasant to shoot unlike most of the turds in OP

>>64057572
>FUCK art
i like how you dont even deny it looks like a mess. You sound like a bug though.

>>64055074 (OP)
AMT Backup

>>64058629
for ants

>>64058629
oh wait most of them are out of production

>>64058680
>>64058674
It's an old chart. There's a high res pdf version out there somewhere.

>>64057589
If I never shot guns I would be most concerned with how they looked too

>>64058704
Again you sound like a bug that thinks art doesn't matter. Very non-western mindset.

>>64058727
Guns are tools, BG 2.0 shoots better than any other pocket pistol, there is art in utility

>>64058737
>

You sound like a faggot who bout a $450 nugget well after the fad, for the soul

>>64055074 (OP)
You have too much.
The picture only needs the p32.

>>64057501
It's literally the least ugly of the subcompact pistols and has proportions closer to a regular handgun than anything else. This also means that the grip doesn't fucking suck and you don't have a monstrous recoil impulse.
It's infinitely better than the LCP in both form and function, which itself used to be the best of the polymer options.

>>64058727
what I am most confused about is - you are arguing that any of the guns in OP (apart from the beretta of course) look good? Brother have you had your eyesight checked recently

>>64058788
I dunno what to tell you it's a human thing I guess.
I could go on and on how much of a mess this is, how it has so many patterns, random shapes, cuts, it degrades the overall perception of the gun and starts looking like a decepticon.
There's so many bad things about it it's insane.

>>64058844
I'd be ashamed to even pass it down to my son.

>>64058844
actually shooting the gun would answer all of your questions and more

>>64058822
Some look good some not so much but at least you can see the consistency in their designs, an overall theme, an artstyle if you wish. BG2 looks like a crackhead chatGPT gun

>>64058866
I never said a word about how it works, I'm sure it performs great, just like the new McDonald’s serving their slop.

>>64058886
being different for the sake of being a unique special snowflake is gay as hell. as the other anon said there is art in utility as well as function. If you shot the gun you would understand why things look how they do.

>>64058892
>there is art in utility as well as function
You just described glock, which looks good unlike BG2

>>64058919
there is no equivalent 380 from glock that is as small with as much capacity as the bg2.

Those pocket guns aren't that much smaller than a bodyguard. So size up a wee bit and quit being a puss

>>64055171
So half an oz heavier fully loaded compared to an empty tomcat? You contrarian retrofaggots are the most annoying people on the planet.

>>64058967
When you're hardcore min-maxing for concealability over shootability, every fraction of an inch and every ounce counts. Size down a bit and quit being a puss.

>>64058977
Difference between 7oz P32 and BG2 13oz is actually something you notice if you pocket it. It's insane

>>64059127
If you're going to size down to that why not go for those naa pocket revolvers. That's the real minmax. You either go for that or something bodyguard size, everything in between is a bad compromise

>>64059215
NAA pocket revolvers are sick. But I'll revise my statement with the qualifier that we're strictly talking about self-loaders. And ~50% of the weight, while maintaining 60-70% of the capacity is not a bad compromise. It's just a compromise.

>>64059134
Don’t care P32 feels like a somehow even cheaper LCP. I’ll take a couple extra ounces for the increased capacity, better cartridge, and superior build quality.

>>64059461
>better cartridge
.32acp is the superior carry cartridge, sorry not sorry.

>>64059461
have you held one, im pretty sure they use the same polymer material

>>64057501
>hasn't shot the best shooting pocket gun ever made
>has an opinion on it anyway
Every single time.

>>64058844
>could go on and on how much of a mess this is
or you could shoot one, but then your entire worldview would shatter after you develop self awareness and look in the mirror.