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Anonymous No.64059795 >>64060109 >>64060141 >>64060750 >>64060843 >>64060932 >>64061343 >>64062198 >>64064267 >>64064300 >>64064703
Finnish police raids an apartment with K9
Rate their kit
Rate their tactics
Rate their dog

https://files.catbox.moe/n6fcpr.mp4
Anonymous No.64060109
>>64059795 (OP)
Dog is ATF will kill it/10
Anonymous No.64060141 >>64060497 >>64061139
>>64059795 (OP)
What do I know, but that quick head peaking corners thing seems retarded. I've heard it said before that either you're going around a corner ready to kill someone, or not at all.
Night vision doesn't seem necessary, probably an intimidation thing or some shit.
Putting the phone down quick is smart, someone could be watching to know where you are.
Dog seems very well trained, quiet and focused.
I love the Finns, I would not want to meet them in some sort of fight.
Anonymous No.64060497 >>64060779 >>64060850 >>64061248
>>64060141
>drone checked it
>dog checked it
also they are just cops copping around trying to detain people not larping an aggressive military breach
if they *do* get reports of shots fired/gun threat, they pull out ballistics shields and full battlerattle outside of the very first responders (which would be standard cops with carbine mp5, vest, helmet with the objective to just lock the suspect down until reinforcements arrive)
they seem to only have helmets+vests which is the quick getup for our SWAT equivalents (VATI) and means the threat level was maybe a knife or an axe
NVG is because most VATI calls are for junkie dens, and junkie dens often have blacked out windows (which means turning off lights=total darkness)/bad lighting/unpaid electricity bills etc.
and as you can see only the point man has them
you can tell they're VATI because weapons have suppressors (not standard issue for carbine mp5s squad cars carry), are seemingly running around with something else than MP5s (cba to stare at pixels) and they aren't wearing the typical cop overalls
t. finn
Anonymous No.64060526
What's the whole chicken dance signal at 3:12 for?
Anonymous No.64060750
>>64059795 (OP)
I thought from the thumbnail right guy was holding the halo assault rifle
Anonymous No.64060779
>>64060497
Yeah if they look like LARPers they're Karhu/VATI
Anonymous No.64060843
>>64059795 (OP)
>kit
fine
>tactics
yuro weird
>dog
fine
Anonymous No.64060850 >>64060944 >>64061111
>>64060497
>means the threat level was maybe a knife or an axe
Nah. It's a firearm's threat, since they specifically call out they'll shoot if someone comes out with a firearm right off the bat.
Anonymous No.64060932 >>64060957
>>64059795 (OP)
The quick peek seems like of silly and unnecessary, but they seem professional. Dog looks happy and unbothered, I hope it doesn't get hurt in it's career.
Anonymous No.64060944
>>64060850
he cute
Anonymous No.64060957 >>64061076
>>64060932
They take good care of those dogs. Their handlers have a couple years of special training and tend to be dog lovers who keep and train the dog at their own house.
Once the dog is old enough to retire (around 8-10 years?), the handler usually just keeps the dog.
Anonymous No.64061076 >>64062351
>>64060957
How do retired dogs behave? Do they get any instincts or callbacks to their workdays like sniffing for drugs?
Anonymous No.64061108
Kinda overkill for two retarded looking zoomers but I guess you never know these days.
Anonymous No.64061111 >>64061189
>>64060850
police do threaten to shoot (and do shoot) knife wielders
https://yle.fi/a/74-20172342
https://yle.fi/a/3-9205316
https://yle.fi/a/3-8675919
if you just search for "poliisi piiritys" ("police siege") you'll find eight gorillion pictures of cops with ballistics visors and extra protections against firearm threats
although I have to admit I was wrong; non-VATI seem to atleast sometimes have had extra protections
Anonymous No.64061133 >>64061189
on the one hand
>proper kit, almost overkill, but who knows what they were told was the threat profile
>very put together and calm team
>dog seems very comfortable and active. effectively working and not a single sign of stress but completely alert. checks unsures, looks to handler often so it doesn't overstep. clearly likes doing it. exemplary!

on other hand
>slow entry, taking first guy in took way too long and delayed entering the space and dominating a funnel (but may have very well been appropriate for the call, just devils advocating)
>that silly fallujah peek (but at least it wasnt the mogadishu double peek)

finns fuck hard, nothing new under the sun.
t. raise puppies for cops and the air force (fodervärd & civilkonsult)
Anonymous No.64061139 >>64061153 >>64061227
>>64060141
This isn't a breach-and-kill kinda thing. If major trouble should appear, which is highly unlikely, they can just pull out and siege the apartment, maintaining their advantage and keeping open a non-lethal resolution to the incident. They control the entrance and have all the time and resources in the world. A presumed hostile does not. At best (worst) whomever would be inside has inferior weapons to them and no grenades, flash or otherwise.
Anyhow, he has his rifle roughly pointed in the right direction. At those distances it's easy to eyeball a decent hit even from the hip. Or crudely resting it tightly atop your shoulder. Their most likely encounter would be with just some unarmed stringbean junkie not smart or brave enough to do more than be frozen in place. Ventilating them is unnecessary, since you don't really need even both hands to make them submit.

Also, they've done preliminary investigation and observation before sending in the team. Actual police work, you know? They know who they're after, why, and have assessed likely scenarios instead of automatically expecting the worst.
On that note, Finnish cops managed to arrest the Kankaanpää terrorist cell without incident, despite the latter having automatic weapons and explosives. Though, to be fair, those guys were total brain-dead morons, an oblivious incompetent bunch caught with their pants down.
Anonymous No.64061144 >>64061269
I know it's not the same breed but it's still reminding me of the german shepherd my parents used to have
she was an absolute sweetheart and I miss her a lot
Anonymous No.64061153 >>64061206 >>64061221 >>64061227
>>64061139
>Kankaanpää terrorist cell
Those guys were indeed absolute mongoloids
>we have all the equipment to do a major terror attack whee let's commit petty crime and circlejerk about mass murder online before that
Anonymous No.64061189 >>64061221 >>64061227 >>64061240 >>64061240
>>64061111
Yes, but the police in this case at 1:35 specifically says
>jos tuutte ampuma-aseen kanssa ulos asunnosta, poliisi käyttää ampuma-asetta
>if you leave the apartment with a firearm, the police will employ firearms


>>64061133
>proper kit, almost overkill, but who knows what they were told was the threat profile
Probably this one:

Big police operation in Vantaa
Police arrested three people.

The police had a high-profile, multi-patrol operation in the Kiviste area of Vantaa on Thursday evening.

Police received a report at around 19.10 that a person with a possible firearm had been seen on the balcony of an apartment building and that the sounds of a gunshot had been heard.

Police detained three people in the apartment building in connection with the incident. Police are conducting a preliminary investigation into the incident as a firearms offence and causing danger.

No one was injured in the incident.
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/dbc37c95-d007-41af-8201-76d8d0b2e1ba
Anonymous No.64061206 >>64061221 >>64061227
>>64061153
It seems to be a theme. There was also the neo-nazi terror cell in Lahti, but all they managed to do before being arrested is take random potshots at some black family's mailbox in Hyvinkää with a FGC-9 and later blow it up. They even filmed a video of the shooting, titled "neekeri postilaatikko siege" (lit. "negro mail box siege").
Anonymous No.64061221 >>64061231 >>64061336
>>64061153
>>64061189
>>64061206
These retarded zoomoids act more like niggers than actual niggers do.
Anonymous No.64061227 >>64061236 >>64063111
>>64061189
>at 1:35
oh yeah I misheard that
guess I was just wrong overall
maybe they changed shit or responded in panic mode because it was in a flat
desu I live in a rural region so usually it's lockdown+battlerattle guys
but then again there are only 0.25 people within shooting range for any schizo with a gun at any given time

>>64061139
>>64061153
>>64061206
if you guys want to read up on why finnish neo-nazis are completely retarded look up "21 polkua pimeyden valtakuntaan" (lit.tl. "21 paths to the kingdom of darkness"; neo-nazi satanist schizobook)
it's mostly schizoposting about muh ancient aliens (I am not kidding) but pages 94-95 discredit the whole book
>proposes using a fucking supersoaker as an actual flamethrower to set crowds on fire
>claims that firing a silenced pistol w/ red dot from a shoulder bag is entirely undetectable in a crowd
>claims to have been a splöö (military police) but has absolutely no understanding about anything relating to security or terrorism
who knows if the brain damage is pre-existing or caused by reading stupid shit like that but certain neo-nazi groups in other countries like the us and bongland were equally retarded and read their own equivalent schizoposts-in-a-book
Anonymous No.64061231
>>64061221
Actual niggers in Finland mostly just rape and rape gets lower penalties than theft
Anonymous No.64061236
>>64061227
>claims that firing a silenced pistol w/ red dot from a shoulder bag is entirely undetectable in a crowd
A .22 firing subsonics through a coat pocket might be but pulling it out would be retarded
Anonymous No.64061240 >>64061247 >>64062127
>>64061189
>>64061189
then i have nothing to whine about but the 1(!) member performing a technique determined to be slightly unoptimal
tack, ni finska folket, för den förebild ni ger till resterande nordens polisverk och gemene folk
tanken av att hundar jag uppfört och tränat sedan sänds till finland, traditionsbärare av svea rike, är det som håller mig från ett självmordsattentat i Stockholm
Anonymous No.64061247
>>64061240
>är det som håller mig från ett självmordsattentat i Stockholm
Huutista
Anonymous No.64061248
>>64060497
Yeah, the NVG's are there in case someone has covered/boarded windows and/or if they have to cut down power. Drug dens are always a shitty situation. You have no idea what to expect. Someone might have completely demolished inner walls or build additional partitions for whatever growth bed/drug lab/junkie barracks. You have no idea what the visibility might be inside.

And like said, this is a slow-and-steady approach. Unlike in video games, there is no time limit. They have all the time in the world. No need to play heroic charges. The goal is to 1) avoid own losses and 2) avoid situations where you have to use deadly force. They don't want to shoot the junkies, they want to arrest them as intact as possible so they can be put on trial.

Boring, slow sieges are usually what works best. Even if you have a junkie holed up on some closet, they will eventually grow tired (or come down from their current high) and likely give in.
Anonymous No.64061269
>>64061144
>it's not the same breed but it's still reminding me of the german shepherd my parents used to have
Yup, I think most Finnish police patrol dogs are either Malinois (short-haired Belgian Shepherds) or German Shepherds.
They sometimes train Border Collies or other smart + energetic dogs for special duties like tracking down drug/money stashes, locating human fluids/remains or whatever.
Anonymous No.64061336
>>64061221
It's actually pretty normal Unistanian desegregation terrorism.
The Asiatics are becoming white here.
Anonymous No.64061343
>>64059795 (OP)
>Rate their dog
Good boy/happy tappity tap
Anonymous No.64062127
>>64061240
>tanken av att hundar jag uppfört och tränat sedan sänds till finland, traditionsbärare av svea rike, är det som håller mig från ett självmordsattentat i Stockholm

Hur säljer du dina tränade hundar? Annonserar du i hundpressen?
Anonymous No.64062198
>>64059795 (OP)
aint no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Anonymous No.64062214 >>64062267 >>64062349 >>64062383
Hijacking the thread with a question, what do you think of the fact that finnish cops sometimes shoot to wound? As in, actually 'aim at the legs' to incapacitate people. I know in the US this is unthinkable but I'm not sure if it's a tactical matter or a litigation matter, i.e., if you shoot to wound you weren't threatened and thus couldn't have shot at all legally. I can think of at least two cases of finnish cops shooting to wound
>suicide-by-cop attempt with a deactivated firearm, po-po shoots in the leg, guy lives
>armed guy sieged in his house, lots of gunshots exchanged, police shoot the guy with birdshot from the firing port of an APC when he makes a break for it (lol, but this was 1994) and the guy dies
Anonymous No.64062267
>>64062214
The only reason it doesn't happen in the US is legal bullshit, right?
Anonymous No.64062349
>>64062214
Litigation in the US I think
Finnish law looks at it the exact opposite way, so it makes more sense. Not sure about tactical sense but the environment is what it is and it's not like lethal force is prohibited
Anonymous No.64062351
>>64061076
>How do retired dogs behave? Do they get any instincts or callbacks to their workdays like sniffing for drugs?

The "tough work" ones are extremely disciplined, the ones that are not don't pass in the first place. Overall, they're also from breeds that have strong instincts (belgian malinois, dutch shepherd, german shepherd) which could possibly become an issue if they get sick and confused due to neurological issues when old.

The other ones, generally the ones that find stuff by smell, are from very obidient and nice breeds. There's labradors of all kinds, for example. They probaly have generic old dog issues, but I don't think work stuff comes up much even after retirement.
Anonymous No.64062383
>>64062214
I suppose it's reasonable if it's drilled well enough to not distract them from the job of stopping the target, e.g. take a quick shot at the legs if seems doable, but immediately aim for the center of mass without pausing to wonder if you hit or not.
If the target keeps moving, just fire again. If he drops, maybe another shot isn't needed.

I can think of a third example, the 2017 Turku stabbing attack:
>rejected asylum seeker from Morocco begins stabbing women in Turku market square around 4 in the afternoon
>police alerted at 16:02
>nearby patrol finds and drops attacker with a shot into the thigh at 16:05
>patrol approaches said ISIS wannabe cautiously and provides first aid after determining that he's done with his attack
>attacker survives, taken to intensive care, later sentenced to life in prison for 2 murders and 8 attempted murders
Anonymous No.64063111 >>64063348 >>64063471 >>64063851
>>64061227
what is it with far right ideology that attracts such lunatics? with far left at worst you get crystal people but never shooters or suicide bombers.
Anonymous No.64063348 >>64063471
>>64063111
In Finland's case, I'd guess it's the inheritance of Pekka Siitoin, a occultist neo-nazi leader from 1970's to 90's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55GAaRTwGEM
Anonymous No.64063471 >>64063851 >>64063944
>>64063348
>>64063111
>Pekka Siitoin, a occultist neo-nazi leader from 1970's to 90's.
Huutista. Pekka Siitoin was a comedian/actor, and a close personal friend to Vesa-Matti Loiri, a famous Finnish actor (they were both taught by the same teacher and met through him). Siitoin's whole nazi larp was unironically just a deep cover performance art exhibit, where he gathered all the nazis in Finland (about five of them) and made them do retarded shit for the cameras as an ellaborate joke. (He was into weird occultist shit though, and there's claims that he went senile in his later years and started buying into his own bullshit)

As for why nazi-larping hasn't been/ isn't / will never be popular in Finland, our right-wingers had their own thing going on with the whole Grand Finland / Finno-ugric racialism / battling & dismantling the fenno-swedish aristocrats and academics. Great documentary series about it, even if the Pepe pfp gives you "the 'ick", it's good shit; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RVAeVbTvJo&list=PLMjqVFkMdh2Dxi0gL6AXgxo0soBclBbd9

TL;DR: We actually have history and culture to draw from, unlike amerimutt nazi-larpers.
Anonymous No.64063851
>>64063471
>he was only doing the clown larp for the art
Yeah, sure he was.

>>64063111
Funnily enough, the fringe right types often end up mixed in all sorts of crystal pseudo-science and pseudo-medicine shit too.
I suppose they don't really care about facts or rationality at that point, and end up picking up all sorts of bits and pieces that fit into their world view, or make them feel like they're owning mainstream society by being knowers of arcane things.

Some of that wacko media is probably linked to Russian influence ops.
Anonymous No.64063909 >>64063967
Raids like these are very common in Finnish apartment complexes nowdays, violent drug related crime rates are higher than they've ever been (higher than Russia), and rapings done by immigrants are part of everyday life. Kits like that are absolutely needed.
Anonymous No.64063944
>>64063471
>Siitoin's whole nazi larp was unironically just a deep cover performance art exhibit
Yeah I heard there was an austrian painter dude who did the same thing during the heyday of the nazi movement. He was also big on threatre like Siitoin. A great orator too.
Anonymous No.64063967
>>64063909
>violent drug related crime rates are higher than they've ever been
Junnut eivät muista punkkari Hervantaa
Anonymous No.64064267
>>64059795 (OP)
So this faggot is apparently a shitty wigger rapper who waved a gun on his balcony while drunk
Anonymous No.64064300 >>64064351
>>64059795 (OP)
As an actual ex-k9 detection dog trainer and operator, fuck this finnshits using their dog as meatshield. Dogs are force multipliers, not forces themselves, go in with a shield or with you balls if you want to play big boy SWAT, instead of using the half-assed-trained attack dog as a bullet/stab magnet for you to hide behind. They also look like tryhards wearing so much shit for simple raid.
Anonymous No.64064351 >>64064389
>>64064300
>half-assed-trained attack dog
What? The dog seemed well trained.
>tryhards wearing so much shit for simple raid.
Firearms and multiple suspects were involved.
Anonymous No.64064389
>>64064351
Pic related is inexcusable. The dog is placed in the line of fire, alone, and ordered to sit. No cover, no protection, just a meatshield to see if anyone was going to fire at the movement at the door. If you can't handle being in the line of fire, don't join the SWAT, or the police at all, go be a troontuber. This is disgraceful and that "k9 operator" should stuck his fancy "k9" patch in his ass.
Anonymous No.64064703
>>64059795 (OP)
99% of post 2020 police are so gay they deserve a bullet to the mouth
They are the reason you can go and kill serial pedo(the ones who actualy did it)
They are the reason you cant lisend to loud music
They are the reason on why you have to pay for illigals social programs
They are the reason why you cant buy or make cool guns
They are the reason why you cant say no to the worshipers of Baal
Feddis have ruined the western and eastern world and are traitor to humanity
They are in fact not needed
I dont like cops
They are gay
Fuck you

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