Looks like the slight trigger pull and slide wiggle makes most strikers go off.

https://youtu.be/LKD0S3KhwdI?si=7Np6aQx6pS62130d

>>64059954 (OP)
Buy an ad, also what kind of copeslop is that

>>64060005
>Gun goes off unholstering
Because you shot yourself
Cope more brownoid

>>64060018
>t. butthurt sigger

>>64059954 (OP)
>most strikers are shit
Thanks for the confirmation of something everyone with a >90 IQ knew. Doesn't take away that Sig is still knowingly selling a firearm that will go off without a trigger pull and is still the shittiest one doing it.

>>64059954 (OP)
Why is 1/3 of his head shaved?

>>64059954 (OP)
Holy fuck.
This entire situation is an IQ test and we're currently seeing how much prefrontal damage was done by the COVID vaccine.

I can't wait for the butthurt when the siggers find out the firing pin block is deactivated at the end of the Glock trigger pull thanks to the shelf the sear rides in while the 320 deactivates the firing pin block on the beginning of the trigger pull. Then they'll discover the difference between a free floating seat setup compared to a sear constrained on three sides.

The salt will be biblical


Wait scratch that, when they realize all of the flaws on the 329 are mysteriously resolved on the 365, designed by the same team a few months later, that's gonna be hilarious.

>>64060225
Wait for the boomers that fell for SIG lifestyle marketing discover that all of these design issues are mysteriously resolved on the sig 365 released a couple months later.
It's almost like they internally have known the issues for years and years and said nothing besides creating a redesigned gun.

1. Safety isn't a fancy preemptive safety and is the dated tech of a reactive safety by holding the sear instead of preventing a trigger pull.
2. FOD risk and ability for grit to trip the auto sear in the 320 1/4 inch into the gun was mysteriously moved back to the center of the gun.
3. Traditional firing pin block without the fragile leaf spring that repeatedly broke.

>>64060018
>Y-y-you're B-b-b-brown! *sob* I'm not stupid! I'm not stupid! I didn't suck of Sig! The cum was already in my mouth! It wasn't Sigs! Brown! Y-y-you have to be brown!

The P320 hate is literally an anti-gun psyop. Sig is one of the most well known and respected arms manufacturers in the world so anti guns shitlords are peddling some narrative that they’re unsafe and spooky because a few incidents.

>>64060274
This is just sad. You are just sad. Only gunfags even know about this. Wipe sigs cum off your lips and man up. You don't owe them anything, loser.

>>64059954 (OP)
Ok, but the p320 has gone off several times now when jostled in its holster

And this is people pulling triggers and trying to yank the slide around to force the sear off its catch

These are completely different failures

A holstered p320 going off when jostled
IS NOT THE SAME AS
pulling the trigger back to cock the sear and then trying to yank the slide around until the sear slips
BECAUSE:

THE SIG P320S WENT OFF IN KYDEX HOLSTERS, WITHOUT MANUAL MANIPULATION OF THE TRIGGER OR SLIDE

All these tests show is that if your striker gun has severe slide play it might one day wear enough to double fire or go machine gun on you

>>64060297
>All these tests show is that
sig fanboys have iq scores <90pts

>that gun went off without touching it?
>so?
>well i can make other guns go off by touching them
>so there
im going to dump my p365 for a g26 if sig fanboys get any more retarded

>>64060297
>Ok, but the p320 has gone off several times now when jostled in its holster
Proof?

Literally a single example of this repeatably happening under technical examination? Or even ONCE randomly?

>>64060306
ask the dead airman who set his p320 down and instantly died
oh wait, he's dead. maybe ask the p320 that shot him. sig really wanted that back and was strongly against independent review.

or maybe tell his family to hold tight while you defend the honor of a gun company on the internet

consider: sig has spotty qc and a design that might be safe when built to the correct tolerances ceases to be safe if a particular pistol is built like shit, or was built just badly enough to pass safety tests initially but would not pass after taking on some wear and tear. in such cases, since the striker is fully cocked, it has enough energy to ignite the primer.

that is why sig is seething so hard and sig fanboys are seething even harder. because correctly manufactured examples of the current iteration of the m18/p320 work fuckin fine. this case would require sig sauer admitting that they build guns like shit and are meeting a price point by dropping standards and widening tolerances.

here's a p365 that failed after racking the slide
that nub that broke off is every single safety mechanism in the pistol. it's rare but sometimes a part in a gun is just made like shit because the company producing the things is being cheap.

this p320 issue means sig as a whole can not be trusted. the guns undeniably went off on their own. the design is undeniably good (if manufactured correctly). the problem is therefore sig sauer themselves.

>>64060335
PS: and much, much more concerningly for the entire gun industry, this fiasco could mean MIM parts could, perhaps lose some reputation points among the general public, and the cost savings in firearms manufacturing might have to stop because people might, maybe, if they have a little too much to think, begin outright refusing to buy guns where the only thing keeping the gun 100% safe is the quality of a MIM part.

a lot of manufacturers are currently building handguns that keep their striker sufficiently cocked to ignite the primer and a lot of them lack redundancy. some consumers might find this out and just fuck off back to da/sa to be safe. no one wants their gun to kill someone.

Sig 320 is experiencing a malfunction that is causing uncommanded discharges
Striker Fired guns have their internal safeties disengaged before the trigger is fully pulled
Both can be true

>>64059954 (OP)
>be glock
>be a good gun
>never go off in your holster because your striker isn't cocked at rest
>promise that you only fire when your trigger is pulled
>have your trigger pulled 50% of the way back
>all safeties disengaged at this point because this only happens to fully cock the striker and fire a round
>suddenly your trigger stops moving
>it doesnt move forwards. they didn't change their mind?
>wtf is going on?
>get your slide jiggled
>manages to rock the striker off the sear
>some sigger: "gwawk is unsafe! this is pwoofs that p320 didnt go off on its own somehow!"
>is actually proof it did because the p320 has a fully cocked striker whenever its loaded
lol

>>64060335
So no proof of that claim you made? AT ALL?
>sig has spotty qc
Proof? I don't own a sig, your "insult" is water off a duck's back. I want you to provide proof of your stupid claims.

>>64060359
The point of people doing this is to get people off the red herring and look to some other malfunction in the 320.

>>64060365
NTA but it's safe to assume that sig is cutting corners because
>won the contract by underbidding against competition
>made in india

>>64059954 (OP)
>Tighten clamp on trigger
>Wiggle
>Doesn't go off
>Tighten a little more
>Wiggle
>Still doesn't go off
>Tighten more
>Wiggle
>Finally goes off

SEE!? It's the same thing!

>>64060365
>Proof
The M18s fire control mechanism is unable to fire if every part is poorly made, but there is just one point of failure for a poorly made part to ruin your day, and the striker is fully cocked at all times so if it does fail, it kills.

It shares this characteristic with a shitload of other guns including sig's best seller, the p365. Even on the p365 shear point on the striker disables all safeties and fires the gun immediately.

Those guns undeniably went off. This is proof that either sig sent out QC fails, or sig makes their guns so fucking poorly that a little wear transforms a QC pass into a murderous QC fail that's out for blood and literally not one single sig sauer firearm can be trusted.

>>64060250
shot his hair off with his sig

>>64060384
*is unable to fire if every part is properly made
Yikes, already my brain can't comprehend a properly made sig. it's so over. too bad i liked the p226 a little

>>64059954 (OP)
Reminder.

>>64060383
Literally yes. Have you even watched the P320 videos you're busting nuts over?

>>64060384
>the striker is fully cocked at all times so if it does fail, it kills.
Cool just like 80% of all handguns on the market. Did you think this was a burn you fucking dolt?

Why is it not a single lab, police department, lawyer, company or individual can make a P320 fire in a holster without the trigger being pulled? Why is that? Even the guns that supposedly did it have been examined. NOT ONE OF THEM WILL DO IT.

>>64060394
that's just arguing over a test

you're forgetting the part where p320s in rigid plastic holsters went off when jostled

>>64060394
No. I don't have a dog in this fight so I don't care either way. Just an outside opinion

>>64060401
>Cool just like 80% of all handguns on the market.
Yep (it's less than 80%)
>Did you think this was a burn you fucking dolt?
Yeah it was a burn for striker slop

>Why is it not a single lab, police department, lawyer, company or individual can make a P320 fire in a holster without the trigger being pulled?
Why are QC failures inconsistent?

Again, the guns undeniably went off. They were undeniably in plastic holsters. There was no way for the trigger to be pulled. There was very little room for strong slide manipulation.

This means sig builds to shit tolerances or makes weak shit that quickly wears out of spec and begins exhibiting intermittent failures, and literally no sig can be trusted.

>>64060297
>THE SIG P320S WENT OFF IN KYDEX HOLSTERS, WITHOUT MANUAL MANIPULATION OF THE TRIGGER OR SLIDE
im curious to see how much slide play there is in various holsters with these, and if any of the non light bearing holsters are contacting the trigger. i don't have a dog in the fight but there is something going on. we do need a lot more than a basedjack in his garage popping primers with a woodscrew in his trigger. what a piece of shit this gun is

>>64060419
i'm curios to find out how holster slide play matters

a gun shouldn't be so touchy or out of spec that allowable slide play can lift the striker off the sear
a gun shouldn't be so out of spec this can occur as a result of inertia, or so poorly made that this inertia also moves the trigger

a gun should be rock solid

>>64060412
The majority of them are either fully cocked or 90% or more cocked. None of that shit matters if the other safety fails because the Glock striker still has enough potential energy to set off primers. This is not some kind of whataboutism, it just means that even if we completely copied the partial cocking system of the Glock into the 320, it wouldn't help if the safety is continue to fail

>>64060434
Or maybe, double action wins again bitches

>>64060452
Uh, no, glocks aren't cocked enough to fire until the trigger is pulled noticeably back. They're double action guns. In order to fire, they have to be dropped in two directions simultaneously. They're only forcing the sear to slip after the trigger is pulled.

The problem here is sig uses a common design (single action striker with no safety redundancy, bcuz high speed low drag) and since nothing but inertia is setting them off, but it takes manual manipulation for every other gun, sig makes the lowest quality pistols at the moment.

>>64060466
Bro you need to quit repeating what you heard second hand because people have already demonstrated it. If the striker is released prematurely, and the other safety failed, it will still strike the primer and more than likely set it off

>>64060453
The irony being the 320 was originally a DAO hammer fired pistol known as the p250 before they decided to cram a striker assembly into it.

>>64059954 (OP)
>"slight trigger pull"
>all non 320 triggers are all halfway down

My favorite part about this drama is the fact that sigjeets have an elevated chance of shooting themselves as a direct result of their corporate shilling.

>>64060478
>>64060466
And again, this is not saying that the Glock is unsafe. What I'm trying to say is you're looking at the wrong thing. Even if that was copied one for one into the 320, there are other problems happening and we would still see the uncommanded discharges

>>64060478
Dude, listen

The P320 does this due to inertia, with guns in standard issue holsters exactly like those used for every other gun.
Several people have died. They are firing when shaken.
The glock had to have its trigger pulled and its slide pried while it was in a vice.

These are not the same thing. Sig makes shit guns.

>>64060348
> no one wants their gun to kill someone.
the person youre aiming at

>>64060491
Guns* don't kill people tho, people kill people
*p320 is junk not a gun
cause: bad build quality

>>64059954 (OP)
>"vindicated" because others do it too
>Sig fanboys literally making the "but he did it too!" excuse like a child
I don't care that others do it too. None of them should do it AT ALL. There's a clear design flaw that seems to be present in multiple striker fired pistols and I don't think you're going to care what gun it was if you shoot your balls off.
>B-b-b-but they're making fun of my Sig!
Yeah. And they should. This is a big damn flaw that the Sig has regardless of how many others do it too and Sig have gone out of their way to double and triple down that their guns are super-dee-duper safe instead of trying to figure it out, fix it, and get the fix out to the public. If Sig had immediately acted and called out the flaw which is apparently present in multiple striker fired pistols instead of circling the wagons a whole lot more people would have a good opinion of them.

>>64060490
We used to absolutely roast Taurus for this exact shit but now because it's Sig we apparently can't them too.

>>64060495
>people kill people
with guns
I want to kill an attacker trying to kill me, not have a (((sig))) magically go off into my leg

>>64060393
this.
watching you fags argue about this is like overhearing homosexuals talking about which gay act is the least gay.
none of you are getting into heaven.

>>64060490
Brother, please. I am not defending Sig. I think they fucked up. What I'm saying is the amount the striker is cocked won't solve this and we need to be looking at other things like level of sear engagement

>>64060503
A lot of them needed significant trigger pull desu

It's just the sig has done it in holsters

>>64060537
You're getting the wrong takeaway here. It just means this isn't the 320 problem, the problem is somewhere else

>>64060537
Yep, though I'd still consider it a potential issue worth looking into for other companies.

The guy basically had to be a literal hair off the break on most of those meanwhile Sigs have been shown to go after a couple millimeters or even less. When you're working at that scale the difference between a couple millimeters a quarter inch is massive. If you have to pull the trigger 2x as far or even more to get the same malfunction on another gun then that other gun is inherently safer. It is still 100% worth it for the other companies to investigate this in their own products and figure out if it's a legitimate issue. If those guys had measured the amount of travel required instead of just saying "Yup, this one too" it'd be a much better video.

>>64060556
Realistically I don't think it's something that can be fixed. What seems to be happening is just exploiting how the slide and trigger interact on striker fire guns.

>>64060520
I came here to say this

>>64060556
Except the sigs have gone off in holsters

Meanwhile some of those need the trigger halfway back, with serious force, not inertia. It's a dishonest test and a pointless distraction from the part that p320s are going off in holsters.

Since the action is as well designed as the others, this means sig is making shitty guns.

>>64060568
Yes yes, they have gone off in holsters, can we actually do more than continue to spaz out about that? I want to figure out what's actually going wrong

>>64060579
>Yes yes, they have gone off in holsters, can we actually do more than continue to spaz out about that?
Don't buy single action guns that don't have both safety redundancies and better build quality than sig

da/sa wins again

>>64060559
I think the best you can do is something that locks the striker right up until the break. From what I understand the glock actually has that sort of thing but the guy got so close to firing a slight breeze would have finished the pull to overcome it. Basically so close it would be barely engaged at all anymore.

>>64060562
I want one of those so fucking bad. God damn it I hate not being in a position to just casually throw money around.

>>64060568
That was kinda the point there my dude. It's why they really needed to bust out the calipers, figure out the full trigger pull distance, then try until it goes and measure travel.

>>64060579
That's very likely caused by this issue and using a holster that even slightly tickles the trigger at any point of the gun being holstered, unholstered, or just sitting in the holster. That slight travel and a jiggle can easily be a problem depending on the holster.

>>64060586
The fuck are you in here for? I'm a DA/SA guy too but I also actually want to figure out what's fucking wrong with this other gun

>>64060588
A dude already did precise measurements. He did it with a CNC machine even, which is around 2mm into the wall. People thought his test was valid until he did it on a Glock and was also able to make it drop the striker at a similar distance into the wall. they got mad at that and said he was cheating despite him doing it a couple times and triggering it in different ways

>>64059954 (OP)
>looks like we got another victim! walther pdp!
>takes clamp off
>trigger snaps forward, revealing it was most of the way back
>sig: *goes off when shaken*

>>64060602
And then for the glock, it doesnt fire when he presses the slide and his hand moves to the clamp, and only then does it go off
holy shit

the test was faked

is sig paying people off like its going to change the fact that their guns are going off in holsters? is this like, handgun epstein files?

>>64060607
Several people have been able to replicate it on Glock at this point. You're just going to have to accept that maybe this is something that happens to strike a fire guns.

>>64060607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=277s
holy fuckin shit
>the state of siggers

>>64060608
How many glocks went off without the trigger being pulled?
How many p320s? And in kydex holsters that do not touch the trigger, without the gun being unholstered or reholstered, and merely set down?

Looks like with the older design the trigger has to be nearly all the way back, past some stacking, and at the break for this to work and this specific retarded youtuber ended up pushing on the trigger to make it finally go

>>64060613
I'm not trying to argue with you about that. I'm just saying that it looks like this is something that you can do on virtually every striker fire gun possibly because their designs are so similar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=198s
It fires when he touches the vice, not when he touches the slide
He faked the hellcat too, and said "right on the edge of the takeup" but he tilted the vice back

What a fucktard

>>64060621
>>64060607
>>64060610
Is this what blind Faith does to your perception?

>>64060599
The problem I have is it felt much more like a "But MOOOOM! They did it TOO!" sort of thing. Instead of just talking at the camera they should've had a chart on screen with numbers and which ones failed the worst for the end of the video.

If my gun has a 0.25" pull distance and the gun can go off as a malfunction at 0.249" of travel that's not actually that big a deal. However if that same gun reliably malfunctions and goes off at 0.1" of travel we've got a fucking problem and it's a big one.

>>64060620
>Hellcat: trigger pulled by rearward vice movement
>Walther PDP: trigger 50% pulled
>Glock: Trigger pulled by rearward vice movement, with hand on barrel instead of slide

>Sig P320: Went off in kydex holster

fake and gay test

Siggers are the dindu nuffins of the fun world

>>64060627
I feel like I'm talking to a flat earther

>>64060646
>he thinks the earth is round
Okay globecuck

>>64059954 (OP)
The m&p was too quick and cut away too fast also, couldnt tell how far back the trigger was

>>64060648
Thanks, that actually gave me some well needed laughs

>>64059954 (OP)
Sorta dumb test but brings up a point that has long been forgotten. Striker fires are a compromise, they're meant to be cheap and are shitty. Plastic striker fires, come on you should know better. That's the cheapest POS late stage capitalism gun you can get, you should expect problems. If you want high quality get a metal frame hammer fire.

>>64059954 (OP)
this video is so hilarious, i just skipped to the glock part, the guy has the trigger squeezed all the way back xD and you can see the trigger break when it fires. holy shit lol

>strikershit is unsafe

>>64060777
based heavenly trips
buy a proper gun you can beat somebody's teeth out with and not worry about accidentally shooting them in the face before you actually intend to

>>64060393
>>64060520

Preach that good word, brother!

Hammer-fired, with manual safety switch that prevents trigger pull and a firing ping block.

>>64060768
Seething

>>64060777
>giving sig this much breathing room
lol, they cheeped out on a fault intolerant design

>>64060845
Nah, fuck off. I'm happy the inherent shit design of striker fire guns is finally coming out. Hammers forever

Please, we need more of these videos. Maybe the world can finally wake up from the strikeslop

>>64060306
>Proof?

>Literally a single example of this repeatably happening under technical examination? Or even ONCE randomly?

Here Anon from PR firm hiring to challenge the “SIG P 320 is unsafe” narrative.
Someone (Protraband), made a video compilation of people’s whose SIG pistols went off in their holsters.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z789IuTQLs8&pp=ygUIU2lnIHAzMjA%3D

>>64060335
Your lack of basic punctuation makes your post unreadable. Kill yourself.

>>64060359
>Pretending like "Glock Leg" was never a thing

You are a dishonest faggot and you need to kill yourself.

>>64060384
>Those guns undeniably went off.

Troll detected, post rejected. Kill yourself, faggot.

>>64060412
>>64060402
>Again, the guns undeniably went off. They were undeniably in plastic holsters. There was no way for the trigger to be pulled.
>key, handcuff, shirt or pen gets into massive hole in holster during movement
>has literally happened twice on video which sig derangement syndrome sufferers tout as evidence of guns firing themselves
https://youtu.be/qFzoLi3LcTo?si=RPWhlRk6WatfmyXS&t=195
https://youtu.be/NzHHUmqHA9k?si=kFdujN8a7a3SAeEI&t=1260
>THERE WAS NO WAY

>>64060900
Read the post again.

>>64060297
>THE SIG P320S WENT OFF IN KYDEX HOLSTERS, WITHOUT MANUAL MANIPULATION OF THE TRIGGER OR SLIDE

Which could mean shittily designed and manufactured holsters are "staging" the trigger, and thereby causing these "uncommanded discharges". And that would actually mean that Sig did nothing wrong, shitty holsters did.

Repeating myself from the other thread.
With no parts manipulation contrary to what was presented in some other videos, I set up an MP2.0 in woodblocks with a vice holding a trigger gauge. I pulled the trigger more than halfway to firing weight. I shook, rattled, jostled and banged on the slide as much as I could.
It never released the sear. I could not get it to.

I'd like to see someone make a video of this with a 320. No screws, no fuckery, just holding the gun in place with something also held in place pulling the trigger.
But that isn't the current theory anymore.
If the 320 can be shown to consistently activate if the current theory is true,
That some of the parts can catch in just the wrong way, with the trigger being "set" that way but not pulled, that's nail in the coffin defective design.
If it can be shown to be replicated.

If it can only be shown that this method requires trigger fuckery or trigger being pulled Sig literally gets away with manslaughter.
It needs to be proven that the mechanism is capable of setting itself in such a way that non-trigger movements activate the striker and we all want to see that get proven.
Because I >believe< the theory but I cannot >reasonably think it's true< without that level of proof.

And unlike Ian McCollum, I find it a hard sell that a trigger safety would have prevented any of this, because it does look like the mechanism is to blame, not the fucking trigger.

>>64060949
I'm not reading your incel screed, my nigger. Kill yourself.

>>64060348
>PS: and much, much more concerningly for the entire gun industry, this fiasco could mean MIM parts could, perhaps lose some reputation points among the general public, and the cost savings in firearms manufacturing might have to stop because people might, maybe, if they have a little too much to think, begin outright refusing to buy guns where the only thing keeping the gun 100% safe is the quality of a MIM part.
99.9% of the general public has absolutely no fucking clue what MIM manufacturing is.
90+% of enthusiastic repeat gun buyers probably have no clue what the MIM metal manufacturing process actually is, and might only shy away from MIM parts in firearms, if they read that “MIM Parts Bad” in whatever the gun version of Martha Stewart Living is.

>>64060951
Rough week at the shillfarm office, huh?
Relax guy it's Friday

>>64060954
have fun sucking nigger dicks, faggot.

>>64060962
>0.00034 cents has been deposited to your account

>>64060579
>Yes yes, they have gone off in holsters, can we actually do more than continue to spaz out about that? I want to figure out what's actually going wrong
The likely answer with what is going wrong, is that the internals on the SIG are full of tiny parts, with numerous sorings, which makes the SIG internals look closer to a compact clock movement or a lock movement, rather than a traditional old fashioned pistol firing group.
The complexity of this action means mire failure points.
The fairly small springs require less force to overcome the spring pressure, unlike older mechanisms built with sturdier springs.
Then add in the fact that the difference between locked and firing is in many cases fairly small dimensional movement.
The Fire Control Unit for the SIG pistol has its body built from a bent piece of punched sheet metal, in a U shape, but with the top edges flared out.
This is not an inherently bad manufacturing method or material choice, but unlike other firearms that have used the technique, SIG made the grooves in the slide, way wider than the thickness of the sheet metal, and also didn’t precisely make the bend 90 degrees for the bent out edges on the FCU body, and also did not make sure the width of those edges closely matched the width of the grooves in the slide, creating way more vertical and lateral play between the slide and the FCU when mounted in the pistol body.
In the original SIG P250, on which the FCU design was based, the firing mechanism was a hammer mounted in the FCU, rather than a striker unit mounted in the Slide, so this movement between the FCU and slide couldn’t cause the issue it does in a striker fired pistol.
Then there are the MIM made parts, which seem to be off just enough in dimension, that the parts can potentially bind in the presence of dust or dirt, or simply due to a rough surface.
These MIM parts can get wiggled around due to the play in other parts, and not rest.

>>64060520
Wow anon, is that really your HK USP Expert? So cool!

>>64060599
>A dude already did precise measurements. He did it with a CNC machine even, which is around 2mm into the wall. People thought his test was valid until he did it on a Glock and was also able to make it drop the striker at a similar distance into the wall. they got mad at that and said he was cheating despite him doing it a couple times and triggering it in different ways
All the measurements listed annoy me.
The SIG trigger pivots on a round axis.
The “trigger movement” dimensions should be listed in degrees of movement, rather than linear dimensions, or if linear dimensions are used, is should be listed exactly were those linear dimensions are, in comparison to the trigger, and other parts of the pistol,

>>64061015
I do agree that it should be in degrees since these are all pivot triggers

>>64060930
>Read the post again.
Stop being a deceitful lying shit.

>>64060976
>0.00034 cents has been deposited to your account
Shill Farm Anon is likely USA based given the way he types.

New lawsuit just in.

>” Jacques Desrosiers won’t receive any “actual, compensatory, and punitive damages” after the jury sided with SIG that the officer “voluntarily and unreasonably used the P320 pistol knowing that it was defective and dangerous,” according to the verdict form.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/jury-finds-sig-p320-defectively-225100468.html

>>64061015
I just used some shoddy old japanese knockoff calipers from the 1970s to measure my daily concealed's trigger.
From slack takeup ("the wall") to firing is 70 thou.

Now can anyone explain to me why this model of gun, m&p shield plus, has never had a reported uncommanded discharge despite such a small amount of movement needed?

>>64061134
The Jews covered it up and you're a homosexual? I'm confused as to why you would even ask that question here. Nobody knows

>>64059954 (OP)
Nice try, SIG Sauer

>>64061354
I don't think he's affiliated with them in any way. (That is the last time I try TTS on this shit, holy fuck)

Another example of hammer supremacy

P220 good
P320 bad

>>64060018
i bet every superior of these guys said something like this retard.. "GUNS DONT FIRE BY THEMSELVES YOU MUSTA ACTIVATED THE TRIGGA"

you a nigger ass nigger

>>64060271
The P365 maybe won't go off on its own but that's because it's striker mechanism will just disintegrate much quicker than any other design. SIG can't design a pistol worth a shit

>>64060280
>Only gunfags even know about this.
Pretty sure that Penguinz0 video is sitting at a couple million views now. Normies definitely know about it

>>64060274
>t. Noguns

>>64060383
yes?

>>64061552
Anti-siggers are getting more annoying than siggers are this point. I mean look at this pants-shitting going on here.

>>64060483
cope

>>64061581
This. I don't think it was ever about the 320.

Should have bought an M1911

>>64060938
>Safariland's fault
>Alien Gear's fault
>IMI Defense's (sold under SIG branding) fault
SIG is gonna get kicked out of 109 holster models, right?

>new cope orders are that it's not SIG making a mechanically unsafe, unsalvageable dumpsterfire, it's just that all striker fired pistols just do that and they're not really at fault for just following market inertia
I didn't think this level of deflection was even possible

>>64061751
It’s ironic that Roy Cohen was formerly the CEO of Kimber when they downgraded all of their 1911’s components.

>>64060520
>>64060562
>>64060819
Hammer gang up in this bitch, striker? No we hammer

>>64061795
They already tried with the "actually pistols are obsolete so nobody should sell them!" arguement and that failed. Sig fans are trying anything

>>64060225
This.

>>64060914
"Glock leg" was/is a thing prevalent in the 90s/2000s when revolver fudds and guys used to traditional safties first started training with a pistol without a heavy trigger pull or a manual safety. It was a training issue. For you to suggest its the same as a fully cocked striker without a trigger saftey while also having a super light pull weight with short travel literally firing while holstered is lame and gay.

>>64060335
>ask the dead airman who set his p320 down and instantly died
it was the vaxx

>>64062159
cope

>>64059954 (OP)
>if you just defeat the safety mechanism and pull the trigger all the way back a glock will go bang!

>>64062420
see >>64062412

>>64062642
I'm sorry you can't shoot your hindu gun anymore, shoulda got a ruger

>>64061778
That's too funny. But it doesn't change the fact the trigger is being pulled

>>64062159
So you DO understand the guns aren't firing by themselves? Good. That being said, yeah they need a trigger dingus at the very least.

>>64062695
>1mm of pull still counts saaaaar

>>64062711
*3mm+, like every other gun.

>>64062722
saar cope

>>64060263
>>64060271
Same op. Jesus Christ, 80% of the traffic is either bots or low IQ enough to be indistinguishable from bots. Must be why they're suddenly pushing id verification online, they've dialed up the bots way past last years 70%.

>>64061552
While funny, I'm thinking that's only when the Pakistan outsourced mim fails quality control. Just wait until some investigative journalist decides to investigate the entire industry supply chains. RiP any company that doesn't just call Ruger Injection LLC for their MIM.

>>64061581
Exact case in point.

I see the MIMdia factory workers have been moved to keyboards instead

>>64062913
Nah, this smarts of either reputation and crisis management firms or some sort of weird public private outreach with NATO syberwar command and that anti misinformation department created under Biden.

This is a critical National Security risk, we can't have fake allegations online being weaponized against the manufacturer responsibile for ALL US army weapons. Imagine how bad it would be if all nondod money dries up, how would we have a working military?

For those of low IQ, I'm stating how SIG et all justifies it, not my personal opinion

>>64062971
>critical National Security risk
Its a fucking pistol lol

>>64062971
>This is a critical National Security risk, we can't have fake allegations online being weaponized against the manufacturer responsibile for ALL US army weapons
Whats weird is the glock shade. Everyone knows how safe and reliable glocks are. It seems like astroturfing because Sig Saar knows that if the p320 gets dropped, the 19x will probably get picked up. If they were shitting on Beretta instead id predict that we'd see the M9's get selected to be upgraded/modernized instead. Something is definitely fishy though.

>>64062975
>>64062983
I've been watching a lot of congressional testimony, this is unironically how they shape the narrative as they don't believe in objective reality. To subjective reality cultists, all expert testimony and arguments are simply word magik to get more power.

It was just a pistol when they needed to minimize it to justify corrupt trials.
Now when it needs defending it's a dire national security risk!

In reality, it's both the standard issue rifle and pistol but we're mysterious buying more and more M4s, lol. I think they know it's fucked.

>>64062983
Boomers hate glocka because it was the first plastic gun and killed off the era of all metal perfection. Look at SIG and lifestyle marketing victims, etc.

M9, if you dispose of and replace when they hit the lifetime limit on the frame are the best military option IMHO. Mostly because a carry gun for retards needs to be double action and the safety decocker physically splits the firing pin in half. It rotates part of the firing pin 90 degree, so you can safely use it as a hammer.
I'm always shocked 'can be used to hammer in tent stakes by pgt retard' never seems to be a test metric

>>64062983
Edit to add, used to compete on an m9, it was slower but not that much slower than a tricked out Glock.
I'm tempted to pick up a M9a4 as a new carry gun

GETTIN SIGGY WITH IT

>>64063065
PLEASE DON'T N-

>>64062983
>Sig Saar knows that if the p320 gets dropped, the 19x will probably get picked up.
We'll see. Glock was justifiably salty when Sig won the contract and IIRC they said they they aren't going to enter any more US .mil trials.

>>64063087
It's probably not a good idea to get your guns from a foreign country. Probably should use S&W
>b-but they need to have a factory here
My point still stands

>>64060368
This. We need to find the real reason for the discharges.

>>64063087
>they said they they aren't going to enter any more US .mil trials.
I don't blame them. Look at how all of this has been handled. Everything about it has been shady and a Cohen engaging in underhanded activities was sure to piss off a few Austrians.

>>64063163
Boy do I have news for you

>>64062703
The P320s are firing by themselves

This is a glock having its trigger pulled by some retard wiggling a vice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD0S3KhwdI&t=277s

Glocks are double action guns
P320s are single action guns

>>64060938
The holsters are not staging the triggers. Go look at an issued M18 holster. They don't hug the trigger guard, which is wider than the trigger. The M18 is fully cocked at rest and sig releases guns that are poorly made and shake-fire. That is it.

It's just like old shitty single action guns that fired when shaken, only you can't see the hammer being shaken off the sear this time.

>>64060860
This is a single action problem, not a striker problem. It's why every well made 1911 has
>a safety lever that at least blocks the trigger
>a grip safety
>a half-cock catch that the hammer stops at if it does fall without other safeties disengaged
>a trigger-actuated firing pin block
Because single action guns are always storing enough energy to go off when in condition one. They either need to be very well made and hard wearing, or have redundant safeties. The P320 meets neither condition.

At what point does running damage control for your shit products on fucking 4chan of all places seem like a good idea

>>64060860
Is this the new Sigger meta, throwing the entirety of striker handguns under the bus because of the 320's uniquely dogshit design? Seems weird.

>>64063639
does it even make sense? spring loaded thing make gun go bang.

>>64063639
Hating strikerslop is the new hipster trend for those who don't shoot

>>64063639
I don't think he's a Sig shill. He's probably just dumb and opinionated.

>>64060274
You tell em, based SIG bro. It ends today.

IT ENDS TODAAAAAAAAAYYYYAAAAUUURGRRRGHH

>>64059954 (OP)
>invent autopistols
>lot of them use strikers
>militaries: "okay, this is a terrible idea"
>adopt hammer-fired pistols and use them for many decades
>a century later
>militaries: "Hey, guess what, I have a great idea!"

>>64063684
>militaries: "okay, this is a terrible idea"
Huh?

>>64063694
Literally everyone went hammer-fired till the last decade.

No, Glock doesn't count, because it's half-cocked mechanism is something exotic.

>>64063707
So you're wrong then.

>>64063712
How am I wrong, you retarded brownoid?

>>64063729
I'm whiter than you and actually own guns, so there's really no point discussing things further with you, foreigner.

>>64063707
was that them saying striker pistols were bad? do you have any documentation of this or are you just speculating like a child? why is the fucking poster child of striker pistols irrelevant to this?

>>64063502
Company is Austrian

>>64063684
Okay so what militaries were using striker pistols as their primary sidearm and what time period are you referencing? Because the only prominent pre-WWII examples I can think of are the fucking Luger and the usual FN Browning slop, and none of those were considered a "terrible idea" because of their firing mechanism, if they were ever denigrated at all.

>>64063775
>>64063792
>>64064015
>angry indian noises

>>64064056
No, answer my question, what striker pistols and militaries are you referencing.

The current Sig hate is justified, more or less but it also feels extremely FOTM bandwagon-y. Just like how CZ's were really popular like ten years back, and then virtually overnight all of /k/ arbitrarily decided that CZ was dogshit the moment they got popular on here. Just like Glock before that. And Springfield between the two. I am certain there are other examples that I just can't think of.

>>64064089
Tee bee Aych, Sig itself has done a really faggy job of handling this current crisis ("IT ENDS TODAY(tm)") and they've been pretty gay for a while leading up to this. Quality has absolutely taken a hit, Cohen is a known kiss-of-death, the lifestyle branding has been obnoxious and the aggressive shilling has been well documented. Throw in their rather questionable NGSW win and the resulting product and it's pretty hard to not hate Sig.

>>64064107
That's all fair, they definitely aren't helping themselves with their track record of doing shady shit and blowing their own balls off with public proclamations thinking they are Trump on Truth Social and everyone will just get in line for the narrative they want to push. I'm not blind here, just that eventually with great certainty someone else is going to fuck up and they'll be the new FOTM company to take the piss out of and berate for a few years.

>>64059954 (OP)
Can't wait for this plastic striker toy fad to end so the industry can go back to steel frames and external hammers, concepts that actually work and last from father to son.

>>64064122
The crowd will always move on to its next target, I just think Sig has set itself up to be particularly disliked and that reputation will be smoldering with the general gun-buying public for a long, long while.

>>64060018
>sigger calling others brown

>>64059954 (OP)
Also, only take over this clownshow is to reject modern gay strikershit and return to SAO tradition like JMB intended. 1911s are a white man's gun. Tupperware is for browns, niggers, fags and women

>>64064089
Imagine if one day it became apparent that CZ75s were going off on their own, even though the design was proven to be safe and unable to fire (if correctly manufactured), which would place the failure on... CZ's manufacturing.

Would it just be a bandwagon? No it would be a rational response. These are weapons.

>>64064132
Sure. Similar to how literally not a single soul buys Springfield anymore. Their biggest customer is probably the Fudd small business owner who buys like twenty XDs thinking it's still 2006. That's the only way I can reconcile why they haven't civilian market guns. Genuinely who the fuck is buying them? Glock exists. S&W exists. CZ exists. There's so many companies out there now I can't even begin to name them all.

>>64063553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgTRigFvOE
Why don't people share this video instead of retards using a vice to pull a trigger

>>64064207
All these videos are stupid. None of them are using the actual model, the M18 which has a manual safety. I have a CA compliant M18 that I removed the mag disconnect from. This is probably the closest to the Airman's M18. The screw thing worked with it when I squeezed the slide, but only with the manual safety off. It's still egregious and suspect given the multitude of sigs other problems and mim jeet made parts.

>>64064077
How about Luger, Nambu, Dreyse 1907, FN M1910, Glisenti M1910, Savage M1907, Roth-Steyr, you stupid nigger.

Most if not all replaced by a hammer-fired successor.

>>64064422
Your ChatGPT result excluded the C93 but that's okay. Now, let's get to the part where those were all deemed "terrible ideas," and explicitly because of their striker mechanisms. Go.

>>64064486
Oh yeah we were talking military-issue lmfao, guess the AI was spot-on.

>>64064422
>Most if not all replaced by a hammer-fired successor.
because of military and police zeroing in on DA/SA you obtuse faggot, not because there was something inherently shit with strikers

>>64064180
>A weapon might hurt people
Whoah no way

>>64060263
>flaws on the 329
Your keyboard doesn't have a numpad? You make me fucking sick UGH DISGUSTING BROWNIE

>>64064107
I'm gonna level with you and say I don't give a fuck about the lifestyle branding. It's not any more cringe than glock merchandise

GET THE FUCK IN HERE SIGGERS REFUTED
>>64064617

>>64064617

>>64064617

>>64064646
cope

>>64064486
Yes. they were all replaced with hammer fired pistols for no apparent reason, yes indeed.

>>64061015
Jep.
The list should be
>degrees to fire the gun
>degrees at which an uncommanded discharge can occur
>percentage of full pull at which an uncommanded discharge can occur

>>64065921
Was it because strikers were bad instead of a shift in priorities like >>64064512 said? Come on anon, let's at least try okay?

>>64066082
With the techniques at the time, hammer guns were just a little more practical, especially when the BHP was developed. With that said, strikerslop is still slop

>>64066122
That's hardly all the militaries with striker pistols coming to them uniform conclusion that they were "a terrible idea" because they had strikers, as was claimed, though.

>>64060491
I'd rather my guns just stop people, the killing part is an unfortunate coincidence

>Now that I’m enlightened I decided to take an Glock apart and a M&P to examine exactly how they work. Holy shit moly they are both drop strikers! I had no idea a Glock was a drop striker. Had always thought the striker spring was compressed by each trigger pull. No wonder my agent cousin said they dropped Glocks cuz of UD’s. It all makes sense now. Wouldn’t carry any of these guns. Old school forever. And when u breakdown a glock or any other clone the fire control mechanisms are so thin, small and frail stamped parts. Sear blocks vary in design but still appear flimsy to my eye. Like putting 1/4” lug nuts on your car wheels. Imo they all unsafe for daily carry. Where’s the beef???This ain’t a jew problem. Lighter weight, cheaper in price, assembled by minimum wagers. The Hyundai of the firearms world, all the brands failed the testing. Glock safety stopper is maybe 1/16” thick, rides over a cam as u pull the trigger. The stopper blocks the sear from falling. Once it moves to the side the engagement is a cunt hair wide. Get too much play in the slide or in fbi cases, cracking in the polymer frame, bang! Cracking in the frames causes the stopper to move over essentially doing nothing. Out of alignment with the striker sear. Like placing a wheel chock to the sidewall of a tire instead of in front of it. lol. They all suck imo. Only good for range days and rare home defense.