>banned his troops from using SMGs, said it was only a police weapon
>denounced combined arms/mechanized warfare
>sabotaged the production of the KV-1, T-34
>what the hell do we need rocket artillery for?
>the main thing is the horse-drawn gun
>got btfo'd by the Poles and the Germans before getting replaced

>>64060525 (OP)
Wasn't he also the one who got the guy designing recoilless weapons executed?

>>64060536
No, he was based.

Sounda like a hero to me

>>64060525 (OP)
WW1 had countless retarded generals on both the Russian side and the Austro-Hungarian side.
Completely retarded nepo babies who couldn't have gotten into their positions through merit. The French had an inept general or two, the British had that one guy who was a complete fucking moron and lost like 40k men
I remember their deeds but not their names.

>>64060956
>400*k - Sir Douglas Haig, British army FM/moron
Pretty hard to beat that.

>>64060985
>be such a bad commander they name after you an entire convention on laws of war and war crimes
I will never forgive him for outlawing fun

>>64060956
>>64060985
Haig was perfectly competent.

>>64061066
They don't call him the Butcher of the Somme for nothing

>>64060956
And then there's Luigi Cadorna.

>>64061077
People also still say that the Germans would have won WW2 if they just build nothing but Stugs or that euros brought smallpox blankets to the Americas to kill of he natives.
Retards do retard things and repeat dumb shit they've heard all the time. Especially if it supports some stupid story they ascribe to.
Him getting called that doesn't mean much.
The french shifting their divisions away and forcing the, relatively green, british supporting force to play the major role had a larger impact than Haig's skill or lack thereof.
It's not like the death toll for the British was worse than what is commonly claimed for towton.

"Again"
t. Luigi

>>64062172
>>64061106
I just found out this fucking brainlet used decimation against his own troops when units did not perform in battle. yes the ancient roman act of decimation by killing every tenth soldier as punishment.

>>64062172
The Alpine Front was a real meeting of the minds.

>>64062367
>"How to get your ass kicked by a nation of numerically inferior and similarly poorly equipped Serbians. And, also Russia right after."

Didn't he ban landmines too?

>>64062367
>pushes for war with serbia
>finally gets it
>had no plan
>bungles it horribly
I wish we could have had a picture of exactly what this retard was thinking

>>64062367
>If Franz Ferdinand was still alive he'd have me shot.

>>64062367
Only minds so elevated could imagine fighting in such altitude.

>>64061066
Haig loved the blood of Englishmen even more than the Hun, simple as

>>64062336
>Based
>Beyond
>Belief

>>64062532
Reading Haig's battles on Wikipedia it looks like all of his blunders were caused by him being too much of a pompous asshole to listen to French generals who were in the right

>>64062550
He just loved the idea of the lads kicking around a footy after a HUGE artillery barrage. The barrages did fuck all against hun defenses, and this was not unknown at the time.

>>64062550
>all of his blunders were caused by him being too much of a pompous asshole to listen to French generals who were in the righ
Can you give an example?

>>64060525 (OP)
>what's that
>the village speaks vietnamese?
>must be VC
>burn it to the ground
why do retards like this end up in charge of counterinsurgency every fucking time?

>>64062707
wdym? If there are no places where people speak vietnamese there are also no places with VC. It just works.

>>64062707
Genocide works when you actually commit.

>>64062826
i wonder if
>we didnt commit genocide, we half-arsed it
argument holds up in court

>>64062845
Nah that's in the same realm as
>I didn't commit murder I merely tried and failed
The intent is the same, you're just a jobber

>>64062336
Sounds like a morale issue. Now, you and nine others draw straws. I'll be in the brothel, report back when at least one of you is dead.

>>64062878
And don't forget, tomorrow we try again.
Viva Italia~
>Drives away to the nearest brothel

>>64062845
didnt work for serbs

>>64062367
my favorite Shitalian story is Giulio Douhet. He literally invented strategic bombing as a concept during the Italio-Turkish War, then got fired from the Italian Air Service because he paid Caproni to develop bombers for him. Then once WW1 broke out and Italy defected to the Entente, Douhet got arrested and imprisoned for conduct unbecoming of an officer for trying to create plans for strategic bombing raids into Austria and Dalmatia.

>>64061039
Field Marshal Haig, the British General, and The Hague or Den Haag, the City in the Netherlands are completely and utterly unrelated.

>>64063138
this nigga was retarded as hell though
>we will bomb their cities and they will surrender

>>64063323
Its the same as Gatling or Maxim, "If I just do this super horrible thing, no one will ever fight another war!!"
The only one of those that has ever worked was nukes, because they can fuck you, yourself, over in addition to the other guy.

>>64063138
A visionary.

>>64061243
>euros brought smallpox blankets to the Americas to kill of he natives

No , that was only the English , they did do that shit .

>>64062450
For the genocidal war crimes against the Serbians or the desperation to exterminate his own men through the most retarded possible tactics ? .

>>64062707
>the US being led by subhuman retards and unable to win a war without multiple allies or the enemy's political class betraying their country

Wow , how uncommon .

>>64063323
Well no one tried that before so it's not like he was proven wrong in his lifetime

>>64063837
For his incompetence in leading his men, he was a field marshal and his losses were unacceptable

>>64061106
>>64062172
>>64062336
>>64062997
>>64063138
Tbf to the Italians, they did have competent generals, it's just that they were appointed to high command command only after/because their predecessors were givent the opportunity to prove their incompetence, much to the misfortune of the soldiers
But this seems to have been a general rule for numerous countries during a lot of wars. In France, Pétain and Foch rose to prominence only because Joffre and Nivelle fucked up big time
Britain seems to have been an exception, as Haig stayed in charge throughout the war despite his costly failures

>>64064116
For the Italians, the providential man that would salvage the situation was named Armando Diaz. This guy was is criminally underrated, he was the anti-Cadorna
>Decentralizes the chain of command and relies on junior officers who have been promoted and have a better understanding of new methods of warfare (he himself was 11 years younger than Cadorna and has a direct experience of trench warfare)
>Improves the training of Italian infantry
>Promotes the provision of more modern weaponry (submachine guns, flamethrowers, hand grenades)
>Supports the design of the first Italian tanks, the Fiat 2000 and 3000 (however, they will arrive too late to participate in the final victory)
>Strengthens the air force, enabling it to gain air superiority
>Improves artillery training and doctrine
>Reorganizes and strengthens the elite Arditi Corps
>Improves morale by abandoning decimations, increasing pay, and extending the duration and frequency of leave
>Knows the importance for the army to maintain good relations with the political authorities and acts accordingly
He managed to stop the Austro-Hungarian advance in the battles of Monte Grappa, led the Italian forces to a major victory at the Second Battle of the Piave River and a few months later, he achieved a decisive victory in the Battle of Vittorio Veneto, which ended the war on the Italian Front. General Diaz is celebrated today as one of the greatest generals of the war

>>64064127
If they had put him in charge from the start or had 1 or 2 more like him , Italy would have retaken Dalmatia .

>>64064116
>Haig
>incompetent

>>64062172
Luigi gets an insane amount of shit (absolutely right), but I will never understand why he wasn't removed sooner. Doesn't that speak to an even greater failure of those above him just let this retard do what he did so many fucking times?

I struggle to think of a more turbo giga brained retard general in history, and I think the only instance might be Themistocles in that he pulled off a brilliant plan, and immediately decided to sabotage himself for reasons that to this day no one understands, but then managed to trick the Persians into thinking he was on their side the whole time? I think that he embodied chaos as a force. How do you fucking talk your way into a governorship in the Persian Empire after orchestrating one of their most humiliating losses? How?

>>64063842
Well that sounds like Russia, Dar Al Islam... not China, they can't win even with those advantages.

>>64064127
This guy deserves to be praised as much as Cadorna deserves to be hated, and his victories should be as celebrated as the battles on the Isonzo and Caporetto deserve to be ridiculed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Zo6-3g7qQ
>>64064137
Maybe, probably, but sadly for the Italians, Cadorna was allowed to stay for far too long

>>64062408
>implying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Redl

>>64064163
>Luigi gets an insane amount of shit (absolutely right), but I will never understand why he wasn't removed sooner.
I agree, it's incomprehensible to me too
Something that makes him look even worse is the fact that his father, Raffaele Cadorna, led successful operations against the Austrians and captured Rome during the unification of Italy and his son, Raffaele Cadorna Jr., was a commander of the Italian Resistance against German occupying forces in northern Italy during WW2
Talent seems to jump a generation sometimes

>>64064127
>Supports the design of the first Italian tanks, the Fiat 2000 and 3000 (however, they will arrive too late to participate in the final victory)
Oh, what could have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNFOIPts9A

>>64064217
what the fuck lmao I literally spat out my drink laughing at his bio summary. How was Austria-Hungary so fucking awful at literally everything they did during the war?

Hate this retard.

>>64062652
Just for your information i ignored your reply because arguing would have been hard and you might have been right and i dont like being proven wrong

>>64065107
There's more to being a general than mere ability for leading forces to victory in battle - successfully training and outfitting one's soldiers for example, as Phillip did for Alexander. MacArthur rose to the top and stuck there because he had a strong complement of secondary skills, namely an uncommon eye for how to align his campaigns with overarching political goals, and the ability to win earnest respect from dissimilar cultures. It served him well over a career of subduing and reorganizing rebellious populations and rose to brilliance with his occupation of Japan.
A record certainly verging on "model of a Modern Major-General" territory, but the "Gaijin Shogun" compares quite favorably to America's subsequent nation-building idiots, who fully deserve the label.

>>64065437
What did Japan think of him in the Phillipines?

>>64063323
>>64063364
In fairness, they operated on historical info of European military affairs. And, prior to boogaloo #1, people tended to surrender if you started turning their city into rubble. After the 30 Years War, razing a city and massacring its inhabitants fell out of fashion.

>>64064163
>How do you fucking talk your way into a governorship in the Persian Empire after orchestrating one of their most humiliating losses? How?
Legendary 5D chess player, that one.

>>64065437
His particular skills were wasted in a command position, and his histrionics worked against him as a fighting general.
He should've been appointed almost exclusively to military overseer positions. He demonstrated genuine acumen for those.

>>64062172
>When I say jump, you say "how high?"

>>64064163
Themistocles? Alcibiades is even better:
> Advocates Athens' Syracuse Expedition
> Escapes political persecution for vandalizing pic related and defects to the Spartans.
> Defeats the Syracuse Expedition, dooming nearly all the Athenians to death on campaign or captivity.
> Seduces the Spartan Queen, gets chased out to Persia. Advises Persia to work against Sparta to prolong the war for Persia's benefit.
> Returns to Athens, wins several victories, but his fleet suffers a reverse at Notium when he left his second-in-command unsupervised.
> Self-exiled to Persia again
Mark Herman designed a solitaire board game of the Peloponnesian War where if the player does too well, he is forced to switch sides, just like Alcibiades.

>>64064285
The Austrian Hapsburgs truly are the Washington Generals of military history.

>>64064285
I sat through Indy Niedell explaining the whole thing in disbelief. How did they fuck up literally every battle? How did a small nation of Serbs kick their shit in so thoroughly? How did the similarly bad Russians manage to destroy them?
Germany carried the alliance, the ottomans and austro-hungarians were defeated completely, and large parts of the alliance got swallowed up by the USSR after the war.

>>64065517
>When I say jump, you say
>HEEEERE WE GO!

>>64065107
Patton was much worse

>>64065573
Hodges was much worse than Patton for his bungling of the Hurtgen Forest.

>>64065107
He was better as a politician than as a general, the Augustus of our time

>>64063138
His one fault was apparently that his poetry sucked.

>>64065517
At least Luigi gets laid, unlike Mario

>>64063323
That literally was what everybody believed until German Flak and fighters forced them to think of a better way.

>>64065516
I agree, but humanity has ever struggled to accurately and timely position qualified individuals where they can achieve the most good. Despite some errors, George Marshall was about as prescient a Chief of Staff as one could ask (like appointing Eisenhower - tard-wrangler extraordinaire - to supreme commander Europe)

>>64065199
>arguing would have been hard and you might have been right
Most relatable post of this year.

>>64065659
Didn’t stop the Air Force and RAF to turn all german cities into rootless rubble lmao

>President Davis sez I'm doing a good job guys
>*jobs hard*
Being in the Army of Tennessee must have been suffering under this guy.

>>64064223
It was political incompetence at that point but with his father's reputation combined with his pre-ww1 record combined with retarded monarchy its understandable while Cadorna was given so many mulligans.
The king/gov should have *promoted* him out of army command and into politics, or a ceremonial position, or a newly created position not in charge of troops

>>64065871
Civil war was full of jobers, few good army commanders.

Sherman, Johnston (West), Lee (not the Napoleonic genius he's supposed to be ), Longstreet, Rosecrans (despite the Chikamauga blunder)

>>64065573
Patton is overrated, but he had some strong points. Dugout Doug let the Japanese take the Philippines from his incompetence. Instead of following the decades long plan, which was fall back to Bataan and wait for reinforcements, the genius decided to try to defend all of the Philippines and distributed all of their supplies with them and when the Japanese attack all of his troops had to fall back to Bataan and leave all of their supplies behind. They could have literally lasted years if their supplies was just left in Bataan.

>the enemy is attacking at Sedan
>let's them build a bridgehead

>our forts are holding up the enemy
>let's abandon our forts and leave all our heavy guns behind

So was he just that incompetent or a German plant?

>>64066576
>So was he just that incompetent or a German plant?
Worse, he was French.

>>64066546
seems like he grossly underestimated the japanese through racism. It can happen.

>>64065871
>Fights with everyone
>even himself

>>64065199
wtf based

>>64064137
Like a lot of other European militaries at the time, Cadorna obtained and remained in his position out of nepotism. His dad led the successful Capture of Rome.

>>64065107
A lot of people aren't aware that he was on the verge of getting fired in 1945. Truman was incensed that MacArthur went straight to Japan after the surrender instead of returning to Washington for a debrief. Hirohito's inner circle wanted to get rid of him too. They were pressuring him to step down in order to show some contrition for losing the war. When the two met, they were able to lend each other the legitimacy necessary to both keep their jobs, which played a big part in Hirohito and the rest of the Imperial House avoiding prosecution at the Tokyo Trial.

>>64062707
The bodycount strategy that made that happen came from MacNamara, not Westmoreland. A lot of the bullshit with Westmoreland came from him being put in charge of a shit war where anything actually decent and intelligent to be done to win it wasn't allowed or simply wasn't acceptable politically or went against what the US federal government wanted, which was to get the fuck out as quickly as possible. Can't win a fucked up counter-insurgency in 4 years in time for elections!

>>64060956
>the British had that one guy who was a complete fucking moron and lost like 40k men
You can't mean Churchill because he lost a lot more.

>>64066703
You'd think he wouldn't after what happened to the russians. But I guess he probably thought
>lol retarded slavs

>>64066703
>>64067333
too be fair the Japanese caught everybody off guard in the pacific with the attacks in 41, the political and military leadership were focused on the Germans in Europe. Not saying nobody was to blame for the massive US and UK blunders but I think the earlier Japanese victories were unavoidable.

>>64065199
thanks for the honesty