Thread 64065298

India has a surprisingly powerful airforce

>>64065298 (OP)
How the fuck is Russia before China ?
>t. Frog surprised that our marine aviation makes it in the list that's kinda cool

>>64065300
Russia has many more aircraft than China. Also Chinks only have copied and downgraded flanker clones.

I understand copies can surpass what the original was but does anyone thing China can successfully make knockoff Russian stuff to the same standard? Aren't they still incapable of making jet engines that don't vaporize themselves after a hundred flight hours?

>>64065300
Since this is a brown or chink bait thread, I'll derail it already. France is updating the ASMP that is carried by the Rafale carrier group. Just for ref here's the missile :
>500km range
>Mach 3 statoreactor
>300Kt thermonuclear
And here's the new missile specs :
>1000km range
>Mach 7 statoreactor
>New 300Kt thermonuclear
Is it even possible to defend against this shit if it's sent towards your carrier group ?

>>64065308
Your image says the most powerful, not the biggest fleet. Russian planes can't fly without a Garmin GPS strapped on the pilot that's not what I call being powerful. And as much as I love the su57 style, Russia clearly can't into 5th gen

>>64065332
Didn't a couple months ago French jets got wrekt by hand-me-down China shit in south Asia? I wouldn't worry what a bunch of braindead Algerians can make anymore

>>64065300
USA is 1st and China is 2nd. Is Russia 3rd? Most countries have a lot less aircraft than Russia although the F-35 is stealthier than Russian jets.

>>64065346
Retarded take, if Ukraine loses a f16 to Russia then the F16 is made by brownies and Russia tech is superior ? It's really the worst argument

>>64065298 (OP)
I would bet good money that the Australian Air Force would rape the Indian Air Force, and even with saying that I’m deeply surprised that not only is the RAAF on this list but is that high up wtf?

Russia's VKS is so mighty that it can't even establish air superiority over Ukraine

>>64065298 (OP)
> 03 Russian Air Force
upgrading your Su-24 with a fishermen's chartplotter truly takes it to the level of an F-15E I reckon

>>64065298 (OP)
The F-35 (and F-22, but it will die a virgin) is the only fifth gen fighter in the world and as such the strength of various air forces is determined by how many F-35s they possess. I believe the top five are
>USAF
>USMC
>USN
>Japan
>Australia

>>64065298 (OP)
The USMC is more powerful than the US Army on account of having a shit ton of fixed wing aircraft, including over 100 F-35B/Cs and plans to procure 280. That already makes it more powerful than every single non-US air force in the world except for China.
China has qualitatively far greater equipment and training hours than Russia, and they're also numerically superior in practice considering Russia's poor readiness rates and shortages of munitions.
India's ranking is a non-starter considering that they have consistently lost to an air force 12 ranks below for the past several decades.
South Korea should be ahead of France and the UK and has more aircraft, especially combat aircraft, than either of them and are also qualitatively superior.

>>64065449
Norway is surprisingly up there and their order got delivered faster than others for some reason.

>>64065300
Even if it's a small force, the Aéronavale is still operating nuke-strike capable 4th gen jets and AEW form a nuke CATOBAR, which is something only the US and Chinese naval aviations can top. Also add the helo and land-based surveillance and ASW capabilites + over half a century of relevant operational experience, this ranking takes more into account than a thirdie cope headcount like >>64065308

>>64065298 (OP)
a very powerful airforce.

>>64065551
A strong army as well!

>>64065308
China's Flankers are pretty advanced and have better avionics(you can thank France and Israel for that), but Russia has better pilots who have actually seen combat while 99% of Chinese pilots have never pulled a trigger.

>>64065298 (OP)
+₹5 into your account saar, dank you veddy much

>>64065332
>Is France willing to get Trident II'd over a CSG?
No, not really.
France would be a nice ally to have in a world war.

>>64065332
>Is it even possible to defend against this shit if it's sent towards your carrier group ?
sure
the hypersonic cruise missile will still slow down to mach 3-4 during terminal
still hard to shoot down, but it can be done

>>64065300
The ratings are pretty much nonsensical in reality.

>>64065308
Not really, no. The Russians were slow to update their electronics so the newest J16 jets are actually superior to the Su35 jets because they have better radars. This might change with the introduction of the Su35M, but fuck if know when that's actually going to be introduced.

>>64065503
>>64065534
Norway acquired more planes than they can maintain and had to fuck around with paying LM to bring their technicians to service the planes.
But in general, none of that matters because literally not a single person on this planet cares about any one European air force because every single one of them is a joke.
>but France has nukes
Nobody cares about free fall bomb nukes

>>64065579
i'll add that a salvo of 3-6 will get through any defenses though. which is how they'll be fired anyway.

>>64065586
>free fall bomb nukes
>>64065332

>>64065308
>J-10C
>worse than Flankers
Only in the eyes of vatniks. Otherwise, they are doing exceptionally well and have capable BVRs.
The fact they can produce them in decent numbers as well shows China is doing better while Russia can't even replace their fleet of glide bomb throwers.

>>64065628
Oh right, I mixed them up with nevermind.
Thankfully it's still France we are talking about and I wasn't far off the mark in that nobody cares.

>>64065298 (OP)
>greece not included but germany australia and saudi is

is this a joke or something

>>64065676
Australia already has their F-35s delivered.
The HAF is smaller than the Saudis, who also have newer stuff. Once Greece gets their F-35s and their F-16s receive modernization in the near future then the balance might change.
And yes the list is a joke. Any European air force being above South Korea, India being where it is, and Brazil being on the list at all is pure insanity.

>>64065707
i highly doubt having f35s makes an air force competent...
second of all
they have as of (assuming i read correctly)june 2025 recieved the 97th upgraded to block 70 f16
if this is correct they literally have the biggest fleet in europe with aesa on it
tho i cant find any info on what their block 50s will become
maybe they will scrap them or upgrade them to 70

>>64065298 (OP)
India got spanked by Pakistan in air battle. Multiple times.

It goes USA>China>Russia. Russia does have the advantage of war time experience over China, but China has superior avionics and a much more updated force and production capacity. After that it's the F35 operating US vassals.

>>64065298 (OP)
>India above China
I can tell immediately who made this infographic

>huehuezil
Ah yes, their mighty F-5s, monkey model Grippens, out of ammo and parts Mi-24s, and ancient A-4s without naval carriers are a real threat compared to the people they are above in the list.

>>64065485
>South Korea should be ahead of France and the UK and has more aircraft, especially combat aircraft, than either of them and are also qualitatively superior.
eat your kimchi and sit down, Park-Bench

>>64066343
This post makes me laugh whenever I see it since it's the most poo in loo shit I've seen in a bit. He could have put Japanese, Korean, or Swedish autos or something there instead. The only Indian brand I've heard of is Tata, and that's only because I've seen their trucks when traveling to certain third world countries.
>>64066412
Not a refutation. Having Strike Eagles and F-35s is clearly better, especially when the number of F-35As currently in ROKAF inventory is greater than the number of F-35Bs currently possessed by the UK, or the F-35As they plan to order in the near future. France would just be a non-starter if not for their nuke slinging capability.
They only have South Korea beat in tanker and airlift capability, which pretty good for non-US countries but it isn't as relevant to South Korea's security needs.

>>64065308
>America has more aircraft than the next five countries together
U-S-A!, U-S-A!

>>64065300
The ratings are literally just made up

>>64065298 (OP)
>India has a surprisingly powerful airforce
How come Pakistan keeps plucking them outta the sky like ducks with scatter blasters? Seems like their superiority is only on paper, higher number does not equal higher skill.

>>64065298 (OP)
Kind of impressed France is on there twice. Good for them.

>>64065298 (OP)
They haven't updated their information since before Spiderweb, Russia has definitely slipped further. 4th easily but quite possibly even to 5th.

Anyone in the know want to tell me how out of date/optimistic their figures are?

>>64066343
The funniest part about the image is that half of those jeet brands solely make shitty licensed produced Japanese and European cars.

>>64065298 (OP)
>India
>6th
>Pakistan
>18th
Yeah, about that...

>>64069120
Damn shame we'd lose any protracted war because we have zero domestic industry

>>64069232
>we
lol

>>64069232
Try it anytime, chang.

>>64069232
Discounting the fact the US is LEAGUES ahead of china. why do chinks just pretend NATO doesn't exist and it would be a 1V1 against the US? What kind of lala land do these people live in?

>>64069301
>Discounting the fact the US is LEAGUES ahead of china
Happily agreed.
>why do chinks just pretend NATO doesn't exist
I think its fairly undisputed that the likely spark of a conflict between the US and China will be over Taiwan. And the mostly likely secondaries are friction with Phillipines, Japan, Or Worst Korea. In all of those, NATO would have nothing at all to do with it. Explicitly, Article 5 would not even come close to applying. China could do Pearl Harbor Electric Boogaloo and technically it still wouldn't be an option. (I know I'm going a bit hard on that one, I think members might make an exception or quickly amend the treaty).
>and it would be a 1V1 against the US?
It wouldn't be that but the coalition would be "of the willing," to borrow an older concept. I think its reasonable to assume the UK, France, and Japan will come along, but everyone outside of that is sort of up in the air. I could easily see plenty of nations "economically joining" but not taking part militarily in hopes it would spare them any damage at home.

>>64069301
>Europe will collapse their own economies embargoing China and send tens of thousands of men to die in Asia protecting American interests. 9/11 and Afghanistan illustrated that America is worth at best a dozen lives to pretty much all of NATO outside of Britain and Canada.

>>64069419
>Europe will collapse their own energy market and freeze to death in the winter embargoing Russia and send tens of millions of dollars of equipment to Ukraine

>>64069232
America's domestic manufacturing capacity is greater today than it was 25 years ago.
All you doomers don't know shit.

>>64069232
China would lose a protracted war because they have no logistical capacity, Chang.

>>64071289
Didn't you hear? Any war that doesn't result in America moving in and completely running your country for the rest of eternity is a turdie total victory. Its really telling that every turdworlder keeps egging the US on to invade them, fix their shithole countries, and then run it for them till the end of time while at the same time calling them the great satan. What they clearly want is to just be content little slaves and not have to worry actualy making shit work and instead just feel sorry for themselves and play the victim.

>>64065298 (OP)
Shitloads of crap is still crap OP.

>>64065298 (OP)
>>64065308
Here's AI's weighted power ranking

>transport aircraft 2
Turdie detected

>>64072604
Those hypothetical weights are retarded. Transports should be a 4 minimum.

>>64071258
Except for really large stuff. Proliferation of CNCs and metal AD means as long as someone has a good CAD any decent shop can start making almost any needed part within a few weeks.

>>64072604
Transports 10
Strategic bombers 8
All other fixed wing combat aircraft 6
Helicopters 2
Trainers 1

>>64065554
>Mario Shart

>>64072824
Worked in a steel shop that had a 4' diameter vertical mill from the 40s still running.

>>64065632
They have replaced their Su-35, Su-34, and Su-30 losses. Still it's very clear that the Chinese air force is stronger.

>>64065579
But many types of brown people told me over the years that shooting down hypersonics is practically impossible

>>64072604
This is stupid, it assumes a platform has the same weight, you could literally put a Fokker D.VII and a F-22 and it will weight the same, it also doesn't consider the logistic train which supports each plane, the nation's capability to sustain a war or the skill of its military leaders or pilots.

>>64065298 (OP)
>marines 5th
>think this is bullshit
>look it up
>marines have 235 F-35s
Jesus.

>>64074303
You should have seen the brown's face when I told him a patriot system from the 80s shut down a vatnik hypersonic.

>>64074329
As much as I hate paying taxes, at least we get the military assets that we pay for.

>>64074346
Problem is those assets are just used to secure profits from corporations and you never see the return on that spending.

>>64074329
The USMC is the world's most powerful air force after the USAF. The chart in the OP assumes that fourth and "fifth" gen fighters still matter.

>>64065300
Have you considered it might be meaningless bullshit?