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Anonymous No.64068309 >>64068415 >>64068447 >>64068473 >>64068477 >>64068586 >>64068596 >>64068621 >>64068640 >>64068762 >>64068823 >>64068870 >>64069205 >>64071800 >>64072293 >>64074678 >>64076679 >>64077424 >>64077481 >>64078721 >>64080550 >>64080944 >>64084309
1911 Relevancy
Are they really that outdated when many say they have the best triggers on a semi-auto handgun and see plenty of competition use?
Anonymous No.64068415 >>64072286
>>64068309 (OP)
calling a 1911 outdated is like calling the mauser-style action outdated. it might be rooted in an old design, but it's still good at what it does, and there's been plenty of modernization to the platform over the years.
Anonymous No.64068447 >>64068762
>>64068309 (OP)
The Marines were still using it in 2023. I'd say not only is it not outdated, it's superior to most modern pistols. Capacity if that is a huge factor for then end user is where it has issues.
Anonymous No.64068473 >>64068572 >>64068706
>>64068309 (OP)
CZ75 SP1 Shadow has it beaten in every conceivable manner.
Anonymous No.64068477 >>64068590
>>64068309 (OP)
>Are they really that outdated
Anon, I carried one for years and still do occasionally. It's a heavy bitch. You need to account for a bunch of extra stuff while carrying it - not least of which is making sure the holster keeps the thumb safety completely protected from snagging on your clothes or constantly stabbing your ass. They're rust-prone, especially in summer. Most models are touchy about what ammo they'll feed consistently, partly because the GI magazine is a shit design you should replace immediately. The stock 1911A1 offers very few advantages over a lighter revolver - other than reload speed, which you'll almost certainly never need to worry about. So no. It's not completely outdated. It is, however, a gun from the awkward teenage years of autopistols. If you want to carry one, be prepared to spend twice the money for an equivalent Wondernine, or invest a lot of time and effort tweaking it to work for you. Other guns have learned their lessons from the 1911 and done that work for you, some of them a literal lifetime ago.

On the other hand it shoots very, very well, it's gorgeous, and as long as you do put the time and effort into one it'll reward you. It's not like people have stopped carrying revolvers either. Modernized 1911-380s or 9mms are out there if you want something a little easier to carry, and firing 40 out of a metal frame is a fuckload more comfortable than a polymer one even if you lose some capacity.
Anonymous No.64068572
>>64068473
>CZ75 SP1 Shadow
Worse trigger.
Anonymous No.64068581 >>64069185
The P220 is still the best in class single stack .45
Anonymous No.64068586 >>64080898
>>64068309 (OP)
>outdated
>most popular competition pistols modeled after it
oh
Anonymous No.64068590
For carry purposes, I'd say that 1911's are a more reasonable choice if you live in a cucked 10 rd state like I do. Besides capacity/caliber arguments, you could argue that the increased weight and bulk is a good tradeoff for improved accuracy. Not that pistol choice even matters for carry anyways.

>>64068477
>If you want to carry one, be prepared to spend twice the money for an equivalent Wondernine, or invest a lot of time and effort tweaking it to work for you.
This is probably the biggest reason why a 1911 would be "outdated" for a normal shooter imo. A good 1911 that has similar reliability to a Glock would cost you substantially more time or money.
Anonymous No.64068596 >>64080903
>>64068309 (OP)
The 1911 is not outdated, the 2011 is basically the same gun (same slides, same barrel, everything inside but the frame, trigger bow, magazine, magazine release are the same
Anonymous No.64068621
>>64068309 (OP)
No gun is outdated if it shoots, is accurate, reliable and takes modern cartridges.
Anonymous No.64068640
>>64068309 (OP)
I really don't care I like them anyway.
Anonymous No.64068706 >>64068724 >>64072268
>>64068473
>>cz
Fucking holy tard take. I to like cracked, broken, totally fucked up malfunctioning shit.
Anonymous No.64068724 >>64068748
>>64068706
Maybe form your opinion on things other than memes. Competition shooters use 1911s and CZs.
Anonymous No.64068748
>>64068724
I don't form my opinion of a weapon based on what competition shooters use. I base my opinion of a weapon on how it performs in military, security, police and civilian use. Competition shooting is a non translation sport. All the way around. The fastest shooters in the world are cowboy fast draw. I don't wear a six gun. I dont stand and shit while shooting paper two feet from my face, so I don't care what comp users use.
CZ has had more qc and function issues than almost any other I have seen. Low mass only holds up when applied to light ammo. Time and full load ammunition are CZ killers.
Anonymous No.64068762 >>64068783 >>64068934
>>64068309 (OP)
1911s shoot great, but they are heavier and lower capacity then they need to be. They also run poorly with even moderate use. I love them but they aren't good duty pistols or ideal for carry.

>>64068447
Don't be like this guy, living a fantasy. MEUSOC did not even use their raiders because they got dirty and stopped working.
Anonymous No.64068783 >>64069506
>>64068762
I've prefer a heavy handgun, I shoot much better with a full size 1911 or Beretta than any compact polymer pistol so all I carry are full size handguns. I think the smallest I own is a Beretta 85 which is still pretty big for a small gun. And even that's more for hiding in summer weather clothing than the weight difference. Im on feet all day too and have never found the weight difference to matter much as far as carrying goes.
Anonymous No.64068823 >>64069070
>>64068309 (OP)
The feed ramp design is inherently unreliable if you're not using the ammo it was designed for (hardball)

That's the only actual problem with it
Anonymous No.64068870
>>64068309 (OP)
The only thing outdated about them is their poor capacity for size/weight. Mechanically speaking, they're not fundamentally different than any modern pistol since most are copied/derived from it anyway.
The problem with 1911s isn't that it's an old design, it's that the vast quantity of manufacturers produce guns with a wide range of QC and standards, each with their own idiosyncrasies. It's not the design, but the implementation.
Anonymous No.64068934 >>64069102 >>64071569
>>64068762
>>they run poorly with moderate use
Tell me you have never used a mill spec 1911 again. Literally the most reliable military pistol I have ever used and I've had the privilege of using quite a few including while in the service. More reliable then the issue 92. More reliable than the issue G17s. If you are going to vomit nonsense do it in a room where people don't know better firsthand.
Anonymous No.64069070 >>64069098
>>64068823
Does 45acp even over penetrate much to begin with going at those slow velocities for such a heavy boolet? I can see why that's a problem for hotter smaller rounds but I'm kinda on the fence on whether it matters for such gun needing to run hollows or not.
Anonymous No.64069098
>>64069070
The faster you go the harder something resists. Impact resistance is a bitch. Momentum is king in Penn. And while velocity plays it's part Momentum does not put a premium in velocity. Slow and heavy will get the job done in the human body. Frankly military ball ammo in .45acp is a good choice as it leaves a nice hole in and out.
45 is known for through and through in police cases. It's one of the reasons police moved away from it.
Anonymous No.64069102 >>64069155 >>64069164
>>64068934
nah hes fucking right its just your definition of moderate use is 500 rounds and his is 5k.
Anonymous No.64069155 >>64069169 >>64069477
>>64069102
The fucking test for the original 1911 to be chosen for the US military was 6000 consecutively fired rounds while dunking it in a barrel of water to cool it down you ignorant child.
I challenge you to do that with every pistol you own and see if one makes it. Fucking clown.
Anonymous No.64069164 >>64069477
>>64069102
Oh, and the 1911 had zero malfunctions. The savage that it tested against had quite a few.
Zero malfunctions. 6000 rounds fired as quickly as you can. Dunk it in water to cool it down. Go. I'll wait while every gun you own fails to live up to the standard of a mil spec 1911.
Anonymous No.64069169 >>64069226
>>64069155
The original wartime 1911s won't make it 5k round cause they half-assed the heat treatment of the slides and considered it acceptable cause they figured no single soldier would actually make that round count before getting killed or the gun destroyed in battle.
Anonymous No.64069185 >>64072709
>>64068581
Do want
Anonymous No.64069205 >>64069241
>>64068309 (OP)
Don't need a glass trigger on a 25yd gun. Hell you don't need it on 500yd guns either. The Five-seveN is the best sao and best overall fullsize gun on the market right now. Carried a 1911 for almost a decade and shot one since I was a preteen extensively. It's a nice range toy but you'd be dumb to pick one up for serious use when other options exist.

For the spergs out there that doesn't mean it's not effective it means if you walk up to a gun counter intending to buy a defensive use gun and end up with one your fucked up.
Anonymous No.64069226 >>64069238
>>64069169
The original wartime 1911s are still working. I know. I've shot plenty of them.
Anonymous No.64069238 >>64069254
>>64069226
Your standards are low you think went bang didn't explode equals still working
Anonymous No.64069241
>>64069205
>>if you walk up to the counter
And pick a pistol with tight clearances for self defense because some comp faggot recommends it you are fucked
Anonymous No.64069254 >>64069266
>>64069238
It's odd how you keep chasing your tail trying to make this somehow about me so you don't have to face the fact a mil spec 1911 is one of the most reliable pistols one can own.
Any pistol changed with tight go fast parts for accuracy and child's play on paper will have flaws. Any mil spec 1911 will run circles around most pistols when it comes to reliability.
My standards? OK. Zero malfunctions with the ammo I use for self defense after years of use. Only then will I carry it as a duty. The 1911 has done that. For decades for me personally.
Anonymous No.64069266 >>64069283 >>64079023 >>64079864
>>64069254
Run it dry and watch it jam
And before you claim all pistols need oil a 92 or Glock will do it no problem
Anonymous No.64069283 >>64069290
>>64069266
Have. Had no issues. 92 in the army had a plethora of issues. Glock g17 will run dry but tends to have spring issues quickly in hard use leading to feed, ejection and return to battery issues.
The military issue G17s frankly are damn good. The military issue 92s were a nightmare. The 1911s only drawback when compared to others has always been capacity.
When it comes to a lack of maintenance of any kind it's where the sloppy 1911 shines.
Anonymous No.64069290 >>64069342
>>64069283
What fucking military were you in where you actually got to shoot a handgun frequently enough to determine anything?
Anonymous No.64069342
>>64069290
Range cadre has its perks.
Anonymous No.64069477
>>64069164
>>64069155
You are using this mystical test performed in the 30s of a specific run of 1911s as proof against the experiences of modern 1911 owners. It was a great gun for its era, but it's best features (trigger) have already been ported to modern age in 2011s. And guess what? The modern platforms have the same issues that milspec 1911s do.

1911fags need to be honest to people. If you own a 1911, you are going to have to work on it. I'd say that's part of the appeal to many anyways. But be honest that they aren't capable of the pace that duty strikers are. I think a lot of people like the idea of 1911s more than the reality unless you're really dedicated.
Anonymous No.64069506
>>64068783
Oh it can be done no doubt. I find that long barrels are often easier to carry on heavy guns funny enough. It's a lot harder than throwing on my Shield Plus on the way out the door though. Full size strikers aren't ideal for carry either really.
Anonymous No.64069552 >>64074667
The original 1911 firing ammunition that was exactly to JMB’s spec, went 6000 rounds without a stoppage in the M1911 trials. A lot of issues are caused by the variances in .45 ACP ammunition today, OAL, bullet shape, etc.
Anonymous No.64071569
>>64068934
>Tell me you have never used a mill spec 1911 again. Literally the most reliable military pistol I have ever used
yah, that's complete bullshit.
Anonymous No.64071800 >>64078608
>>64068309 (OP)
>1911 Relevancy
yes
next question?
Anonymous No.64072268
>>64068706
>I to like cracked, broken, totally fucked up malfunctioning shit.
First I've heard of this.
Seems awfully butthurt anon.
Can you show me on a puppet where Czechia touched you?
Anonymous No.64072286
>>64068415
/thread
Anonymous No.64072293
>>64068309 (OP)
Single stack yes, double stack ok.
Anonymous No.64072294
Pic related will literally see three world wars.
Anonymous No.64072709
>>64069185
Why he shoot the other side of the phone
Anonymous No.64074667
>>64069552
Incorrect. A lot of issues today is the insanely tight tolerances. Yes it makes it more accurate, but it doesnt help it run well. And how accurate do you really need a handgun?
Anonymous No.64074678
>>64068309 (OP)
All single action handguns have nice triggers. They aren't tied down to the hammer of a double action.
Anonymous No.64074696 >>64074763 >>64076688 >>64079023
Here's Matt Pranka (former Delta Force, Marine Raider, GM Shooter) talking about 1911s/2011s vis a vis Glocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6grz6Yd9N0&ab_channel=BenStoeger

:)
Anonymous No.64074763 >>64076688
>>64074696
Note that this is largely in respect to highly tuned 1911s that have very tight fit. Basic bitch GI rattlers were known to be fully functional even through vietnam sludge. There's a give and take to this kinda stuff
Anonymous No.64076679
>>64068309 (OP)
Just get an gen 3 g19 and be done with it
Anonymous No.64076688 >>64077356
>>64074696
Larry Vickers said that tight vs loose didn’t matter, except that loose let in more debris with its slop. The bigger factor was if the holsters were enclosed or not since closed flap holsters (M12) protected the pistols from rotor wash.

>>64074763
Basic claptrap 1911s in the M9 trials averaged ~150 rounds between stoppages.
Anonymous No.64077356 >>64077465
>>64076688
I dunno, my CMP runs with all kinds of gunk in it but it's loose as fuck. It's not the first time I've heard this kind of thing but it doesn't match my experience
Anonymous No.64077424
>>64068309 (OP)
I think they're cool and it's a gun that shoots so it'll never be irrelevant or outdated. I sorta regret selling mine but it was heavy and expensive to feed. Buy and use what you like who cares unless of course it's a p320
Anonymous No.64077465
>>64077356
I suspect the XM9 trials they deliberately picked the worse 1911s and worse magazines possible to cook the numbers
Anonymous No.64077481
>>64068309 (OP)
At least it doesn't go off when you holster it
Anonymous No.64078608
>>64071800
Yes relevancy or yes outdated?
Anonymous No.64078721 >>64078940 >>64080719
>>64068309 (OP)
I love my 1911 to death, it's an amazing pistol for target shooting, competition, and generally having fun. However, it is an obsolete design. You're going to be overpaying for a modernized 1911 with a double stack mag and a rail if you want to stand up to the competition, and it is still single action only AFAIK. The main issue is price and action. Anyone here saying 1911s are unreliable are retarded, the only issues you'll get with a well made 1911 are if you forget to lubricate and/or clean it.
Anonymous No.64078940
>>64078721
How is single action a bad thing? It has a saftey. Infact it has 2 safeties. Strikers are inferior, DA/SA is a step away from being good. And DAO is just garbage.
Anonymous No.64079023 >>64079867
>>64069266
>Glock will do it no problem

Glocks jam all the fucking time. WTF are you on?
We've repaired more Glocks for jamming than every other handgun that's ever came in combined.
I get that you're a fanboi, but damn are you ever fucking ignorant.

>>64074696
>BenStoeger
Such a whiny faggot. No wonder he's been kicked from teams.
Anonymous No.64079864
>>64069266
>guns don't work as good when you don't clean them
waow
Anonymous No.64079867
>>64079023
No you don't understand. See it says perfection on the label so it must be perfect.
Anonymous No.64080550
>>64068309 (OP)
It has the best trigger and ergos which is probably 50% of what makes a handgun "good." The other 50% is sights, but those can be customized to user preference easily.
Anonymous No.64080719 >>64080823
>>64078721
>modernized 1911 with a double stack mag
Unless you are competing in IPSC or trying to survive a Black Hawk Down situation then a single-stack 1911 is fine.
>and a rail
WML on CCW are a meme and I'm tired of pretending they're not.
Anonymous No.64080823
>>64080719
Nah. More bullets is more fun. They’re not even that wide, they make double stack grip modules that are as wide as single stacks
Anonymous No.64080898
>>64068586
I am suddenly sad that MGS4 isn't on Steam. It had a competition 1911.
Anonymous No.64080903
>>64068596
Always felt odd to me people complained 1911s have low capacity because single stack. Double stack 1911s have existed for a long time.
Anonymous No.64080944
>>64068309 (OP)
Anonymous No.64084309
>>64068309 (OP)
It's a decent concealed carry piece and the trigger pull is sexy.