Thread 64071661

>sacrifice 40% of head protection just so you can attach gear to the sides
Do special forces REALLY?

>>64071661 (OP)
Sorry, I can't hear you.

>>64071661 (OP)
>40%
Show your math

>>64071672
Top back front left right is 5
Top back front is 3
40%

>>64071687
I accept your math

>>64071661 (OP)
>sacrifice 40% of head protection
you're implying danger from the sides though is equal in danger from the top or back which isn't true. even if it was 40% of the area it's not a 40% reduction in value

>>64071661 (OP)
In theory, you COULD attach kawaii little armor plates to your Peltors, or integrate kevlar into a Peltor shell, and thus not lose any protection.

>>64071661 (OP)
Imagine how much of a retarded cowboy you have to be to wear this POS

>>64071687
>0.2% error
Seems legit.

>>64071701
The Peltors need to smaller, the helmet needs to be bigger, end of. The technology exists, look at airpods.

Protip: Helmets are NOT for stopping bullets

>>64071687
based

>>64071702
Why hasn't anyone made ballistics earpro yet???

>>64071812
Protip: Nobody said anything about Bullets

>>64071812
The good ones do

>>64071812
Protip: kill yoself

>>64071661 (OP)
>>64071702
>>64071741
Here. Solved you coverage problems and usage of headphones.
Don't thank me.

>>64071909
those flaps couldn't stop a pellet gun

pretty sure a pair of comtacs or ams would stop shrapnel

>>64071661 (OP)
All of those gear just to capture/kill random goat herders who will never talk while in captivity and even under extreme torture.

Normal helmets can carry NVGs fine, everything else is useless.

>>64071701
Studies on optimal helmet shell geometry since WWI up to the present day have consistently concluded that side coverage is a necessity against conventional battlefield threats. Also, bumps notwithstanding, ballistic threats to the side of the head are probably equal if not greater than to the back in frequency.
>>64071702
>>64071822
>>64071909
Won't work that well a Kevlar or UHMWPE shell. Those materials are significantly stronger as part of a continuous shell rather than separate parts.
The most practical solution is simply to make a PASGT or ACH cut helmet slightly wider, since manufacturing methods would pretty much exactly the same as current helmets and cheaper than segmented ones.
>>64071812
Debunked countless times retard. Even the M1 was (retroactively) rated to stop .45 ACP from a 1911 at point blank in WWII, and modern composite helmets are made specifically to stop bullets. Also, even if that were true, being unable to stop projectiles that other helmets can is not a virtue regardless of the primary purpose.

>>64071909
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>>64073844
The problem is that a super high cut like OP only gives up like 6 square inches per side vs a PASGT or ACH in exchange for the benefit of being able to run comm headsets/earpro without having the headband pinched between the helmet and your skull.
I'm sure that someone, somewhere out there, has gotten turned into Uncle Sam's favorite vegetable by a piece of shrapnel hitting him just above his ear, but for 99.999% of boots on the ground it's less of a tradeoff than, say, not wearing a ballistic gorget or cuisses or other peripheral armor.

>>64074157
Yeah but just make the helmet wide and you can put a rail on it and some earpro under the helmet.

>>64071702
>>64074875
>>64073844
I see. Yet another example, in the countless list of things Saddam had always been right about, all along. But we already knew that.

>>64071702
This chinkshit is the perfect cut

>>64075150
space balls 2?

>>64075150
No, the brim is actually annoying and gets in the way of NVG

>>64075150
They also make rifle rated helmets for $500. Highly unproven company but not terrible

>>64073654
Obviously make them from kevlar today.

>>64073844
>Won't work that well a Kevlar or UHMWPE shell. Those materials are significantly stronger as part of a continuous shell rather than separate parts.
Still works. Add several more layers.

>>64071661 (OP)
SF guys are high speed. They dont sit in a trench like regular guys, so the helmet is more of a secure nvg mount rather than protection.
The problem starts when some kind of retard that makes gear decisions sees these and goes "well SF guys use these so these must be the best, lets give them to our regular guys".

>>64071661 (OP)
If the military can consider flatter battery packs, head phone can be made slimmer.

>>64071661 (OP)
I could have sworn some company was making low profile straps like pic related the Russians did with their Ratnik program ear pro which lets it be worn with helmets somewhat easier.

Much like red dots on pistols, helmets are very gay. Have you seen people on bikes / motorcycles / skateboards with and without helmets? They ones without it look pretty cool and the ones with helmets look like nerds. It's the same with combat helmets. Look at the special forces chads, they're all wearing ball caps (go Yankees) or bandanas while the virgin troops wear their gay little helmets

>>64071661 (OP)
>Do special forces REALLY?
pretty much most of the regular infantry as of 2025

Consider a solution.

Why is it so difficult to just make your helmet with space for earpro/radio headsets built into it.

they've had side-armor available for them for years.

>>64075602
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9yL5usLFgY&pp=ygUOaSBsb3ZlIGhlbG1ldHM%3D
Yes. But smart people use them.

>>64075646
It isn't. That was the whole point of the MICH introduced in 2001. But it's uncomfortable and you have to take your helmet off to take your ear pro off. With high cut helmets, you can raise your ear pro enough to get some air without losing comms, it's quick to snap your ears back down, and the whole thing is a lot more comfortable. The type of people who are highly concerned a marginal safety improvement aren't in frontline combat roles in the first place.

>>64075679
You can achieve that with full protection

>>64075679
>MICH introduced in 2001
Oh god that is 24 year ago. Time sure flies.

Hasn't IHPS helmet solved all of MICH problems?

>>64075706
Sure, with a sufficiently complicated design. And someday somebody probably will. But for now you can also just use a high cut helmet and accept a slightly increased chance that you might be hit by frag in the ear in addition to the face, neck, shoulders, abdomen, pelvis, legs, and arms that are unprotected either way.

>>64071687
Based and mathpilled

>>64075593
Stuff like that was real common in the 2000s in the US military actually.

>>64075706
90% of the time the helmet is just going to be there to stop you from banging your head on shit, the other 10% is like rifle rounds ricocheting off shit or from far away getting stopped OR fragmentation, honestly I think another potential solution is to literally plate the outside of your earpro with some kevlar

or just make little mounting points so there's a jointed segmented area for moving comms away but still protection from the most likely projectile, a random piece of metal

kinda like those FAST helmet ear armor plates except its mounted to your earpro instead of the helmet?

>>64076099
>>64076176
>complicated design
All you need is a tiny bit more space than MICH and have the earmuff brace loop around under the lip of the helmet

>>64076204

I'm gunna need like a fuckin MS-paint style drawing cause idk what you mean.. like pull the ear-pro DOWN out of the helmet?

I was actually wearing a MICH not long ago and traded it in for a high cut because it was rubbing into my Sordins.. and they're not even that large, If I was going to have to run around with no earpro and just open hearing I'd probably want an MICH but my Sordins give me BATMAN EARS and connect directly to a radio so

>>64076256
I think it would be neat if you just gained the ability to make any of the furniture once you first find or deconstruct it

like it's just getting added to our compendium and we fabricate it ourselves... doesn't really seem far fetched for what we're playing lmao

>>64075679
>solves all your problems
Having uses both I'll take the slightly annoying wires over the absolute sweat buckets over ears give you. Plus I have big ears and they hurt a lot quicker than in ear ones do.

>>64075173
The brim is great, Even if it's somewhat of a hindrance for NVGs it gives greater standoff distance between your face and bumps as well as being better in the sun. I prefer wearing my upgraded PASGT over my ECH.
>>64075238
>Still works. Add several more layers.
Reinforcement by surrounding material is important for ballistic resistance, but the bigger problem is that projectiles that hit near the edge of composite helmets tend to blow out the side rather than being captured by the material, which could potentially still result in serious harm to the user. This effect would be magnified on a smaller plate, so you'd have to have at least like half an inch of overlap between the ear flaps and the shell for guaranteed protection.
Also that would be heavy and expensive. It would probably be great for special forces, SWAT, and commercial/civilian helmets but not the best choice to outfit a whole army.
>>64075679
>The type of people who are highly concerned a marginal safety improvement aren't in frontline combat roles in the first place.
Yes, I'm sure that Ukrainian infantry units who get shelled and droned every day are not in frontline combat roles.
All of these problems would be solved simply by just making helmet shells like one inch wider.

>>64077628
The British RBR balistic helmets had PASGT and ECH shapes but wider. They would be used by US military special forces in place of the PASGT in the Y2K era because of that.

>>64077667
Wasn't this the bullshit nylon helmet that had about as much ballistic resistance as wet cardboard?

>>64077716
Well its stuff from 25 plus years ago so I don't know but it was using the same material as the early 2000s MICH helmet.

Do military helmets actually save lives? I never seen any real data.

>>64077667
Neat, I was looking to add an F4 or F6 to my collection and I didn't know that.
>>64077716
No that's the Mk6. The RBR helmets are made of Kevlar and IIRC were manufactured in the US.

>>64075627
>he doesn't know about fedayeen saddam

>>64077788
No, actually it leads to greater injuries

>>64076847
I wonder if some units use in ear earpro and coms. They look too fragile, sensitive to dirt and easy to drop for combat.

>>64077628
Nobody cares what kind of helmet Ukrainian conscripts are using. If the problem is so obvious and easy to solve, why haven't you solved it and made yourself a multi-billionaire yet? Oh right, because nobody cares.

>>64077928
I've seen\heard of guys in ukraine using them

>>64077928
They are issued in the Britsh Army. They can break pretty easily but if you look after them the actual unit and wiring is pretty robust. Bits if the ear buds do come off but you can get spares really easy and I just had some in my bag all the time.
I got headphone ones because I didn't like all the wires but went back to the in ears for longer duration use simply for comfort, headphones are good for ranges

>>64077628
>but the bigger problem is that projectiles that hit near the edge of composite helmets tend to blow out the side rather than being captured by the material,
That is more concern for big projectiles like pistol bullets. But who really cares about pistol protection for helmet?
Most real threat is small fragments and they easily embed themselves into material.

>but not the best choice to outfit a whole army.
It all was figured 2000 years ago. If want bothe coverage and convince of use for helmet you need moving flaps.

>>64075262
The opposite problem is far more prevalent. When leaders decide that existing solutions cannot be adopted for line infantry because "they're not SOF", so they requisition expensive gear that no one fucking likes.

>>64075602
>Much like red dots on pistols,
Stopped reading right there, you have no clue what you're talking about

>>64078353
>Nobody cares what kind of helmet Ukrainian conscripts are using.
Considering that they actually have the choice to procure their own helmets and choose low cuts, it's more relevant than SF who don't operate in conventional battlefield environments. Infinitely more authoritative than the word of flat range larpers.
>If the problem is so obvious and easy to solve, why haven't you solved it and made yourself a multi-billionaire yet? Oh right, because nobody cares.
Nice non-argument there, dumbfuck. I don't see you manufacturing high cuts out of your own pocket. Also, manufacturers actually have done exactly what I've described, it's just that the US and other militaries think that current low cuts are fine enough to not bother with making a slightly more convenient replacement.
>>64076256
NTA but the earpro mount used with the IHPS is similar to what he's talking about. It might be poorly executed and make you look like a clown, but the concept is doable in practice and there's at least one better version of it for the Ops-Core AMPs.
There's also one guy on this board that made his own earpro mount for his ACH or ECH that worked the same way.

>>64079965
> I don't see you manufacturing high cuts out of your own pocket.
Why would I do that? I'm not the one wanting to reinvent the wheel.

>it's just that the US and other militaries think that current low cuts are fine enough to not bother with making a slightly more convenient replacement.
Now we've come full circle. This is a problem hallucinated by someone who just wants something to complain about. Nobody in the real world cares.

>>64079647
I, and everyone else, knows you read the full post

>>64080954
No, you're just another guy that's too stupid to understand he's stupid

>>64077878
Now, why might they possibly lead to more injuries, I wonder?

>>64083358
Dudes are more likely to stick their heads out over cover and around corners because they feel safer; same as seatbelts leading to riskier driving and boxing gloves allowing guys to punch each other full-force in the head.

>>64084040
Oooorrrr, get this, putting a thing that stops shrapnel from puncturing people's skulls and killing then atop their skulls makes it so the shrapnel doesn't puncture their skulls and kill them. And instead it just hurts them.