Thread 64073022

Based on the operational information that we have collected on the topic of drones from the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus over the past year and especially in recent months and days, we state the beginning of a hybrid invasion of the EU.

This invasion will be fundamentally different from all known ones. The previous post of the channel revealed the plans of the Russian Federation before the failure of the invasion of Ukraine. Three and a half years of war have put an end to the plans of the Kremlin and Minsk to reincarnate the USSR. The new hybrid invasion will be a war of drones, the Internet and migrants. The beginning of the invasion can be considered the recent test flight of a drone from the Republic of Belarus to the territory of Lithuania.

Sources reported that Lukashenko gave his consent to conduct this and subsequent operations. It is the prospects, plans and timing of a hybrid attack of various intensities that he will discuss with Putin at the next planned meeting. Ignore Lukashenko's recent comical statements at the training ground with silly productions with drones tearing paper to shreds on camera. We know for sure that this is an operation to shift attention to a worthless object.

The task of the allied group is to start small - periodically launch drones across the border of Belarus and Ukraine into the territory of NATO countries depending on the developing situation and subsequently put the process on a regular basis. Terrorize NATO's western border with new "flying green men", sometimes increasing, sometimes decreasing the frequency of penetrations, changing the direction of approaches, "deviations from courses", alternating types of UAVs. They will blame the electronic warfare of Ukraine. The drones will be without identification marks.

The task is to create a new reality, replace the usual way of life for the EU and the USA with it in order to move the European air defense to the border with Belarus, deplete its resources and thereby disrupt plans to strengthen the Ukrainian air defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a whole.

One of the hybrid goals is to transfer the EU and US information agenda from Ukraine to Lithuania and northeastern Poland, create the reality of a new threat and sow fear and panic among the population of Lithuania and Poland, create a wave of internal migration.

In other words, Lukashenko and Putin are trying out a desperate maneuver - opening a
"second hybrid front" on the NATO border using unmanned systems. Further developments will depend entirely on the severity of the reaction of Vilnius and the EU as a whole. If there is no threat of closing the borders and transit to Kaliningrad, attacks will become an everyday reality. NATO has begun testing possible responses, sources explained that Lithuania was chosen for a reason. We are talking about the gas pipeline to Kaliningrad and its transport corridor, which the Kremlin cares about.

Minsk will play the game "we are not there" and "it is not us". The downing of drones by Belarusian helicopters in the south of the country is another operation to shift attention to the object. Everything will be confusing for NATO, the initiator of the launches will be unknown, everything will be blurred so that there is no one to blame.

Important! The "second front" can last indefinitely and become an effective object of blackmail. Lukashenko's geopolitical value has increased many times over in the eyes of Moscow over the past couple of months. The possibility of reusing the territory of Belarus for a hybrid invasion of NATO and changing the palette of war make Lukashenko in demand again. Minsk will use this to its advantage and soon at the next meeting with Putin we will see a new surge of allied enthusiasm, without regard for the recent difficulties of sworn friends.

>>64073022 (OP)
Lukashenko might be a dumb potato farmer but he's savvy enough to have gleaned two key things;
>Puccians are fucking worthless at every single thing except getting ass raped and humiliated on the world stage
>His position is not very secure
If he takes part in some moronic FAS-brained border shit NATO intelligence services will just colour revolution his ass.
What the fuck are the FSB gonna do to stop that? Are they gonna defeat the CIA, MI6 et.al. in a straight contest of tools and talent?

How to get Polish tanks in Minsk in one easy step.

>>64073036
>the initiator of the launches will be unknown
lmao russians are not THAT retarded

>>64073082
>If he takes part in some moronic FAS-brained border shit NATO intelligence services will just colour revolution his ass.
They won't even have to color revolution him.

>>64073036
>Everything will be confusing for NATO, the initiator of the launches will be unknown, everything will be blurred so that there is no one to blame.
Yes, what a mystery this would be, a real head-scratcher for the ages. NATO will be puzzled, dazzled, and absolutely perplexed.

>>64073026
>drone blows up Estonian kindergarten
>Russians go "tee hee it could be anyone"
>drone is of a model everyone knows Russia uses and has probably been filmed on some propaganda show with "Estonia destroyer" written on it

I know they are actually retarded enough to try this

>>64073082
>colour revolution
"Color revolutions" are just a russian cope propaganda talking point

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>>64073140
Bruh, western countries are breaking their backs backwards to avoid "escalations" and look away. Countries don't even try shooting down russian drones flying into their air space. And when it's obviously russian shit, they go into "hurr-durr, who knows, maybe it's ukrainian?!"

>>64073036
>Everything will be confusing for NATO, the initiator of the launches will be unknown, everything will be blurred so that there is no one to blame.
What if Lukashenko accidentally raises his eyebrow, and then everybody understands everything?

>>64073082
>NATO intelligence services will just colour revolution his ass.
so called "color revolutions" are organic and happen from natural momentum within the populace. All mighty omnipresent CIA had jack and shit to do with it. They have failed even basic bitch tyrant overthrows since the end of the cold war. Belarus will only get rid of potato king if the people of it gain enough momentum in a rebellion to overthrow him. last time in 2020 it almost happened until monkes gangsters were sent in to suppress it

popular revolutions being painted as some sort of masterminded CIA op by failed tyrants like monke is a straight up conspiracy theory invented to cope with how shit they are as governors. or with how shit they are with anything else

It seems that people are being too autistic here and take the points at face value. Obviously it would be russians doing so, but they'll do enough "plausible deniability" for the western goyvernment to play a fool.

>>64073188
nobody is "autistic" or whatever buzzword is popular this day. the term "hybrid warfare/invasion/global doomsday" itself is retarded. Just call it what it is since ye olden days
>sabotage

monke is so weak they cant even send in cumniks into the suwalki gap to properly tie up supplies. instead all they can do is buzz and harass lithuania with fucking drones

>>64073022 (OP)
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>>64073026
TL;DR so Belarus is gonna try flooding Poland with more Africans? Yeah I'm sure that won't backfire and make them even more militant.

>>64073214
More like try to shit things up after the previous plans failed

>>64073188
I think "plausible deniability" would actually backfire on Putin/Lukashenko in this case. It being "the Belarusian army we're totally fighting, NOT the Russians" rules out strikes directly into Russia (NATO is never going to directly strike into Russia ffs) but it lets France and Germany just smash the invading army to pieces while saying "Yeah we're definitely not fighting Putin right now, it's just Belarus guys, not World War 3".

>>64073022 (OP)
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>>64073036
>Purposefully commit terror bombing campaigns against non-active participants in the Russian-Ukrainian war
>Somehow think this won't entail the removal of power of either Lukashenko or outright military involvement in Ukraine
Generally, how can an entire nation's apparatus be this fucking retarded

>>64073223
>previous plans failed
I'm a bit out of the loop, did our beloved potato farmer try doing a full scale invasion of what is growing to be the largest stand army in Europe second to Ukraine itself? Seems like a retarded idea if so, or is it more in line of some kinda glownigger ops that they'll deny ever happened?

>>64073242
No, the previous plans have been to flood migrants into Europe through the Belarus-Polish border while also doing sabatoge campaigns against companies involved in helping Ukraine.

>>64073148
>>64073185
Users were paid to make these posts.

>>64073257
Yeah, the CIA paid the entire population of Eastern Europe to swear off communism in 1989-91.

>>64073022 (OP)
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>>64073036
damn OP, is this your attempt at writting a Tom Clancy book?
nobody cares about a failed country like Russia, make it about a real dangerous country like China instead.

>>64073026
>>64073036
>>64073188
>Russian drones hit NATO countries
>American B2 Spirit knocks out one (1) Russian warship somewhere in the Baltic Sea, US denies involvement
>Russia can then decide if they want to escalate or not

>>64073242
>>64073246
The previous grand plan assumed more successes in war within Ukraine. There was a detailed roadmap, but basically it's all about rebuilding USSR, piece by piece. They planned that once Ukraine falls, they'd fuck over Lithuania through the Suwalki gap after a BS false flag campaign. Hurr-durr we were attacked, hurr-durr we're fighting back, hurr-durr we were forced to advance to secure ourselves. An important part of this is that it would've been done without touching Poland. Then, after Lithuania starts getting fucked, another strike would move in to also occupy Latvia and such.
Getting stuck in Ukraine and having Finland and Sweden join NATO threw a titanic sized wrench into these plans, hence the change of plans to shit up walls of the commieblock, saying that it wasn't us.

>>64073261
The only reason there's no color revolution in Russia, despite the country being ran by monke that starts random wars and thus supposed to produce a totally natural revolution, is that CIA can't match the money you get by stealing from oil wells.

Works great if your country is a shithole with no wealth though, especially if your citizens dream of being able to enter neighboring countries without a visa in order to escape poverty.

>>64073272
>damn OP, is this your attempt at writting a Tom Clancy book?
I'm just translating the belarusian insider posting

Is there a first Belarusian front?

>>64073280
>American B2 Spirit knocks out one (1) Russian warship somewhere in the Baltic Sea
Cuckold-in-Chief won't do it.

>>64073300
it's a retarded soviet WW2 reference

>>64073281
>Then, after Lithuania starts getting fucked, another strike would move in to also occupy Latvia and such.
This was so fucking retarded to begin with. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are in NATO and even if NATO never responded, Poland, Finland and the other two non-invaded baltic states would've gone all in.

>>64073281
>They planned that once Ukraine falls, they'd fuck over Lithuania
A plan that probably sounded good on paper till Russia realized everything West of the Dnieper and them some was actually willing to fight back and not just lay down and allow themselves to be annexed hence why they've been locked in a snails crawl for the past couple of years.
Also isn't Germany slowly deploying troops in the Baltic's as a trip wire army?
You'd think they'd just come to the negotiating table at that point and settle for good enough but if their plan is to try and push further all because of 'muh Transnistria' they might end up biting more than they can chew and out stretch their forces and at that point no amount of Best Korean cannon fodder can protect you from stirring up that many hornets nests.

>>64073323
1. That plans was from the time of before Finland joined NATO;
2. Look at how cucked the western response to russian shit is, it's 2025 and the west still can't confiscate russian assets or stop buying russian oil, or stop selling stuff to russia. Thinking that Poland would go in and fight themselves is delusional. They talk a good talk, but when it comes to action they get scared to shit.

>>64073188
No such thing as plausible deniability after 3.5 years of the war. As soon as a real drone slams into an appartment block, as in a real shahed not the gerbera inert ones, it will be the end of this nonsense. And make no mistake, ziggers are fucking incompetent and it will happen.
Luka is many things but he is (surprisingly) not a retard and he will do whatever he can to avoid Belarus going into any sort of real conflict.

>>64073022 (OP)
Say it with me now,
Nothing
Ever
Happens

Fuck
ya mudda

>>64073280
>Baltic Sea
>russian warships

>>64073024
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>>64073036
This sounds like an awful use of resources when the outcome of this war is going to leave Russia vulnerable to having Chechnya and Georgia secede. If I were Luka and wanting to look useful to the regime, I'd offer to keep the boot down on Russia's current holdings as insurance.

>>64073036
>Lukashenko's geopolitical value has increased many times over in the eyes of Moscow over the past couple of months.
this sounds like luka desperately trying to promote something that will make it look like he's helping without requiring him to send belarussians into combat and risk being overthrown

>>64073335
>come to the negotiating table at that point and settle for good enough
You have to think of it through the lens of prison dynamics to understand. Cutting losses or compromising means looking weak, looking weak is death because all of your status comes from the other gangsters being afraid of you.

>>64073335
Putin can't come to the table, in his mind this is an all out zero sum civilisational conflict with the west that can only end with one or the other being destroyed
He thinks he's winning, too

>>64073386
Luka really has been putting on a masterclass in fence-sitting for this whole war. It's pretty clear that he isn't stupid.

>>64073082
>Are they gonna defeat the CIA
They kind of did with tulsi, hegseth, krasnov

>>64073082
>>64073175
Luka wouldn't allow it. At the current rate things are going eventually Putin will be gone and Luka stands a realistic chance of taking over once the dust settles.

>>64073757
>hegseth
The funniest part about Hegseth is that he isn't even a foreign asset; he's just so fecklessly incompetent that he might as well be.

>>64073024
>>64073022 (OP)
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>>64073036
Make it at least something that could realistically threaten a Baltic nation, add a Nork division or two.

>>64073301

It's a 50-50 shot whether he pussies out or has the navy glass St. Petersburg. Depends on how badly he needs to distract from epstein stuff.

>>64073757
Tulsi is basically out, trumps being tard wrangled by neocons a bit more now

>>64073022 (OP)
nice fan fic but wrong assumptions, first of all Lukashenko is not stupid to fall for this, second it will not drain any ADA resources because they don't exist yet in most of the armies, what this plan would achieve is super rapid procurement and wide fielding of C-UAS systems negating the only "advantage" russia developed in the current conflict

>>64073335
>snails crawl
The snail is happily munching on Polish crops. He did it! He got to Poland first!
It tickles me that we kept track of Russia's progress based on where one average garden snail just ceaselessly trundling along in a straight line would be at each specific day of the war.

Russia is far too in love with their own legend to believe they can fail even in a scenario like OP has outlined. The worst part is high casualties are a venerated and expected part of that national legend tot the point where even if you succeed at everything you do minimal casualties is treated as not trying hard enough and thus a failure.

>>64073022 (OP)
>Based on the operational information that we have collected on the topic of drones from the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus over the past year and especially in recent months and days, we state the beginning of a hybrid invasion of the EU.
If by hybrid warefare you eman the failed state that is Russia trying to traffic the third world vagrants into the while trying to fuck with GPS out of kaliingrad and pay spammers on /pol/ from India to post 'EU BAAAAD' then sure yeah. If you mean any actual boots on the ground then that's a joke other than groomed /pol/tards carrying out arson.

Why?
Because the EU militaries could wipe out the Russian ground forces in a week using just air power. That's a simple fact. Rusisa is not a great military or economic or diplomatic power, its a weak, bankrupt and mostly disarmed shithole on the edge of civilisation run by a geriatic dicator and his secret policemen gangster crew who have double digit IQs.

If Belarus starts shit against the EU then there will be a polite but firm dipliomatic exhange with Moscow and Belarus and if it continues the entire place will be occupied by European forces in a weekend and you know what? There is absolutely nothing Russia can do to stop that aside from nook.

Fuck arouund and find out. The people I really would like to see killed are not some braindead russian mobik though, its Russan propagandists like you OP, the sooner people like you are found and killed by the Ukranians or in the event of conflict with EU nations, EU security services the better. No trial, just your post history and whereever you live and everyone in the building goes up in a ball of orange flame. You can see how you like hybrid warfare then because Russia has been enegaging in petty terrorism and incitment to violence in Europe for 50 years and that is frankly why I and hundreds of millions will be delighted when shit like you is executed and the Rusisa of terrorists sponsoring kgb criminals is erased.

>>64073152
>Bruh, western countries are breaking their backs backwards to avoid "escalations"
They are sening jet fighters and munitions to ukai. Many in the EU and UK are salivating at finally getting to kill all the zigger/tankie traitor scumbags and frens who have been a cancer in their lives for 50 years along with shit like Luka. Fucking do it. Literally fuck around and find out. Always remember, a few EU states can erase Russias military leaving the Ukranians free to burn moscow by just using airpower.

>>64073365
There's probably some stuck at St Petersburg. Point is the US would knock out "something" important.

>>64073087
>How to get Polish tanks in Minsk in one easy step.
/thread

>>64073845
>The funniest part about Hegseth is that he isn't even a foreign asset;
Doubt. Agent bourbon and kremlin fox and friends are real.

>>64073845
>The funniest part about Hegseth is that he isn't even a foreign asset; he's just so fecklessly incompetent that he might as well be.
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>>64073022 (OP)
Potatoman hasn't even opened a second front in Ukraine; at this point I would be willing to bet that his plan is to stay away from open windows until Putin dies and Russia snaps back to the 90s at which point he'll quietly reign from his tuberous throne until HE dies and after that his worries will be done.

>>64073022 (OP)
What's stopping the US, EU, or NATO from bombing Minsk? They wouldn't even have to involve Russia, just state "That this is clearly the act of Lukashenko and Lukashenko alone." They bomb out Belarusian troop concentrations, Lukashenko gets couped by his own people or color revolutioned, and then that's it. Belarus is isolated and defeated and the Russians lose another buffer. The Europeans and Americans don't even need post-intervention Belarus to be friendly, just neutral.

>inb4 eurosissies are of weak and would not of fuck Puccian ass for fear of what of are our grandfathers!
The Special Military Operation and its consequences have been a disaster for Russian deterrence.

In any case, I hope it comes true. The only Eurofighter vs Sukhoi action I get to see are dweebs dogfighting on DCS. I want some real BVR action.

>>64073292
The average pidorstani doesn't see a single kopek from the stolen wealth. The barons, OTOH, are all dependent on monke for preserving their ill-gotten spoils. So they have very little incentive to rock the boat.
To this you add the multi-generational buck broken cattle culture which permeates the entire society (including the upper caste). Meaning people avoid taking concrete action, and, when they do, it's unfocused and lacks staying power (see the 2011 protests, Prigo's "march of dignity").

>>64073022 (OP)
>ah, yes, these occasional drones over baltics will stop West from sending aid to Ukraine

Sounds like massive copium on Putin's side.

imagine actually believing this

>>64074490
>You don't understand, russians are built different!
Yeah, right, very convenient. As if Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine didn't have the exact same culture since they were part of the same super country about 30 years ago (less than 1.5 generations if every 20 years is a new generation).

You just can't invent a good reason for there not being a color revolution in Russia despite thinking that the prole's quality of life is unrelated to oil wells, and despite the country being ran by monke, sanctions killing the economy and an unjust war killing a shitload of people.

The 'unfocused' and 'lacks staying power' part is just describing an actually natural revolution attempt. Color revolutions are always very focused because they call for specific outcome, and take specific steps to achieve it - a unified leadership with clear and concise goals. And they always have staying power because the funding allows revolutionaries to skip work without worrying about daily bread.

>>64073022 (OP)
I wish a nigga would

>>64074530
Belarusians literally did protest a few years back and the only thing that saved Luka was him begging Putin to send in the military

>>64074415
In dealing with Belarus, you need to out-retard the Russians. Putin will likely try to head off any initiatives directed at Belarus by claiming that "an attack on Belarus is an attack on Russia." The western reply should be "we understand that president Putin wants to cover for his old friend, but we know for a fact that this is Luka's doing alone". And then you keep devolving the public messaging into deranged schizo ramblings about Luka's alleged connection with Islamic terrorism, child traffickers etc. This will short-circuit the FSB/SVR/GRU's aghitprop attempts, since all their plans are based on their opponents being rational actors, with them being the irrational wackos.

>>64073022 (OP)
I doubt this shit.
You need to understand how the things are in Belarus and why Belarus would stay in somewhat neutral state until the end of the war.
Luka has big family that holds in their choke all Belarusian businesses.
Same with the military - bunch of fat generals got comfortable there and aren't willing to go on risky adventure over nothing really.
At the same time 2020 protests (massive ones, make no mistakes) show that there is the powder keg in the society that better be left unbothered.
Same with civilians - they are majorly either against that war or have good enough internet to see drone footage and know they will be fucked if they decide to become involved in this war.
All layers of Belarus population: ruling one, military one and civilians - are not interested in changing status quo.
So any attempt to somehow involve them may quickly result in Russian overtake. And you know pidors enough to understand that it will be bloody. So do belarussians.
That's why Luka is making sure to show Putin that Belarus is their allies anyway, "so why even bother to spook the nation if it's already friendly".
There is Russian PoV too. Belarus is relatively calm haven on the NATO border, with somewhat better relationships with EU than Russia has, so it's beneficial to keep it be that way for trade purposes and as a leverage.
So, not a single party is interested in making Belarus involved.
Thus nothing will happen.

>>64073022 (OP)
Luka has only around 10,000 trained soldiers that are loyal to him. They do security and maintain order for Luka. The rest of the army is made up of conscripts that would turn on him the second they sensed weakness. Luka's government is unstable, 100% reliant on Russian support and has been almost toppled multiple times now.
Belarus is in all senses incapable of participating in any conflict other than letting Russian soldiers walk through it. If those 10,000 soldiers are lost, the government will collapse. If the conscripts go and fight, they will desert. If the 10,000 soldiers make the conscripts fight, there will be no one in Minsk to prevent the citizens from toppling Luka before Putin can arrive

>>64074546
>Literally did a protest!
>BRO HE'D BE COOKED IF HIS SECURITY SERVICES AND ALLIES DIDN'T STOP IT
OK? Having an internal security apparatus is a feature of any country that wants to remain stable.

There were plenty of protests against Monke in Russia, you even brought up a few of these. And nothing happened. No one even helped him, he figured it out himself. Those guys just went home.

The narrative that color revolutions aren't real, and that its all natural, relies on idea that all it takes for a revolution to happen is the hate of the people. So either Russians don't hate monke, and Belarussians didn't hate Luka, or it takes something else to pull it off. Like, say, money and leadership.

Do you believe Russians don't hate monke? Do you truly believe that despite the entire region being mono-cultural post-USSR nonsense, with not even 2 generations after its collapse, that revolution could only succeed in Ukraine because everyone else is built different?

>>64074557
>So, not a single party is interested in making Belarus involved.
The existence of this article implies that Europe wants Belarus involved, as it calls for European leaders to classify actions of Belarus as acts of war, trying to quench the dissonance by calling it a 'new, hybrid' type of war which involves... Flying a toy across the border to uhh... African migrants trying to cross the closed border and uh...

>>64074567
Yeah they would have joined years ago if they were capable of doing it.

>>64073022 (OP)
Sorry, what? I can't hear you over all these potatos.
Them bad boys just can't be left unpeeled.

>>64074530
>the prole's quality of life is unrelated to oil wells
It is. Monke was smart to never allow the lowest caste of pidorstanis taste the decadent fruit of affluence. Living standards for the "working" (not really, in truth) class have barely inched away from their 1990s values. And this is by design. Keeping them poor also keeps them servile.

>>64074568
>HE'D BE COOKED IF HIS SECURITY SERVICES AND ALLIES
Belorussian services were completely outmatched, and the protests were almost successful in making him pull a Yanukovich (his sons had already fled at the time, IIRC). What ultimately tipped the scale were the thousands of Rosgvardia and FSB agents rushed by monke to take over anti-protest activities.
>Those guys just went home.
He expended shittons of money and effort to break up the 2011 protests. Heck, it took him nearly 2 years to put the lid back on, and that's with full the full propaganda/repression power of the state.
>Do you believe Russians don't hate monke?
They don't. Most of them are mindless cattle with no personal opinion, pro or against. Note that I'm not entirely criticizing this: having a personal opinion about politics can sometimes be dangerous in Russia.
>revolution could only succeed in Ukraine because everyone else is built different?
Yes, because they're not Russians. And they were murdered by Russians, at several points in history, due to this crime of theirs.
The original sin of Russians is their unwillingness to drop the imperial project. As long as they don't do this, they cannot protest in good faith against monke, and will always be vulnerable to his takeover tactics.

>>64074415
>What's stopping the US, EU, or NATO from bombing Minsk
Luka is going to noooook

Strangely enough one of my academic areas of expertise is reolution, theory, history and practise. The real bleeding edge is nonviolent revolution. Its generally better it happens that way too becaus if it does not there there will be violence. Are colour revolutions 'managed' well in many cases they are but not by the CIA which is the kremlins projection onto events, its mainly other third parties, even in the case of the arab spring rebellion the vast majority of external agencies acting in support of insurgents were disporia and civil rights activists rather than state agencies. The people who don't like the results of these revolutions tend to shout and point at these agencies and say 'look, they caused it that bunch there must be funded by the CIA' but the reality is that revolution only happens when the entire apparatus of the state including the majority of police and public sector employees are already completely alienated from the exectutive(nearly always a dictator governing via extended family or a collaborating branch of state security, such as the FSB) The thing to remmeber though is that unless there is deep disatisfaction, unhappyness and limitation of freedom of expression, association and political representation, none of these revolutions would or could ever occur in the first place. They are ultimately created by the exectutive themselves via censorship, suppression of political representatives with support who are not them, policies that do not materally benifit the population and foster corruption and disfunction, no free press (which would otherwise publicise corruption) etc etc

There is no revoltuon without fertile ground for it and it is not some CIA agant uder the bed that creates that, nor could they. Its the tyrants and dictators and variagated traitors to their own populations that enslave them for their own purposes or for external states

>>64074568
Are you implying that every single protestor from for example the clankening were paid off by le evil wect? lol, the logistics alone make it impossible you fucking faggot

>>64074620
It's the resident zigger who always engages in this type of dishonest sophistry.

>>64074600
So let me get this straight.
>Russians are mindless cattle
And
>Have living standards no better than in 1990s
So that
>It keeps them servile
But
>They protested for two years and there were shitload of repressions to stop the protest
But
>They don't hate monke
And
>All it takes for revolution to succeed is the hate of the people
Except
>Ukrainians have a special gene or psychological state that is required to succeed. Everyone else lacks it so they can't succeed.
In addition
>When Ukrainians were revolting, they were revolting against Russia, not their own government that they elected in their own elections.
But in truth
>Russians actually cant protest in good faith because every single servile impoverished brainwashed serf believes in imperial project
Did I get it all right?

Sounds totally insane, so maybe you want to roll some of these back to start making sense.

>>64074600
>Belorussian services were completely outmatched, and the protests were almost successful in making him pull a Yanukovich (his sons had already fled at the time, IIRC). What ultimately tipped the scale were the thousands of Rosgvardia and FSB agents rushed by monke to take over anti-protest activities.
This. His son was flying out in bodyarmour clutchig a rifle. He was propper up by the kremlin coming in and running a sweep and roundup for any and all key figures in dissent. The GRU really are experts in putting down revolutions agsinnt dictataors. Assas would have been gone years ago if they had not been called in to help.

Ukranians wanted to be in the EU for fairly good and obvious reasons, freedome to travel, free attandence in things like universities in Europe, farmers getting to participate in the EU commmon agri policy and market, freedom to work in other EU states and send money back instead of living in a stale grey corrupt impoverished dystopian FSB shihole like belarus. Ukranians could see how much the EU had pulled the rest of eastern Europe out of the shit state the USSR had left it in and wanted to join that instead of being belarus 2.0 under Putin. Putins invasion of Crimea actually refects that what had being goinng on previously was a soft annexation and if he could nto get that then he would use violence to actieve the same goal. Why? Because he thinks he's a Tsar and wants a warm sea port and he wanted a port in Syria too. A squalid little dicatorship run by the left over dregs of the kgb that saw themselves as a great world power when they could not even produce a decent car or maintain a democracy for more than a decade without shooting each other.

>>64074620
I am implying that every single protestor that skipped multiple days of work to jack off in the streets and wasn't fired and didnt starve despite the idea that
>All of these shithole dictators keep their people impoverished with quality of life still on the level of 1990
Was paid enough money to offset any damages.

People sort of need food to live you know, and continued employment. Did all the employers decide to foot the bill and pay their rioting workers a wage despite them not being at work? Now that alone makes the idea of unfunded revolution impossible.

>>64074625
>Ukranians wanted to be in the EU for fairly good and obvious reasons... freedom to work in other EU states.
This. Ukrainians were ready to burn it all down so that they could immediately move to Germany and start cleaning toilets. Well, they did burn it all down. Open borders with EU any day now...

>>64073022 (OP)
If all of this is real, (kinda doubt, Luka isn't suicidal and Kremlin nowadays can't even afford to spend money for prestige projects, much less new fronts) they would probably start testing waters by FPV a few border guards, and seeing what happens.
>Europe is pissed actually does something, and wants to nail Luka's balls to the wall
Luka apologizes, backs down, pays 7 figures compensation and pretends it never happened
>Europe is getting stuck in procedural crap. Everything from spending months to find out how exactly border guard that got FPVed died from being FPVed, to Trojan Hungary blocking coherent collective response.
He tries again but something more ballsy, like FPVing a civilian

>>64074627
Open you fucking eyes, the dissent in Ukraine was caused by Russian trying to impose a corrupt and worthless moscow orientated olgarchy on the Ukranians that the Ukranians DID NOT WANT. By the time you have mass movements in the streets including many public employees its generally alreday over. Did they get money from abroad? Probably, can you imagine how many expatriate Ukranians were willing to fund anything anti Russian after what stalin did there? That's aside from teh fact thatthe vast majority of the capital rallied around the protestors and supplied everything from fuel to food etc etc because THEY SUPPORTED IT they were sick of living in the neo soviet grey zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hBLv-HLEc


What is comes down to again and you have to understand is someone like
Victoria Nuland (in my opinion an idiot) CANNOT create the conditions for a colour revolution and neither can money buy one. What creates them is
>>64074603
>nless there is deep disatisfaction, unhappyness and limitation of freedom of expression, association and political representation, none of these revolutions would or could ever occur in the first place. They are ultimately created by the exectutive themselves via censorship, suppression of political representatives with support who are not them, policies that do not materally benifit the population and foster corruption and disfunction, no free press (which would otherwise publicise corruption) etc etc

The pro Russian oligarchy and moscow has a vastly bigger role in creating Euromaidan than anyone in America or the EU.

Go watch pic related. Might change your persepectives. The whole of eastern Europe was sick of Russia because they had suffered Russia and moscow on their backs for a generation and had had enough. Do you think for example Polish people felt that being complelled and obliged to study Russian went down well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC70R62Tu4M

>>64074627
vatnik thinks everyone else is also living on the verge of poverty and starvation
hehehe

>>64074627
Oh I've had this same discussion with you on /k/ already some time ago. I'll just call you a dishonest and retarded zigger now.

>>64074627
this post has so many assumptions and unprovable axioms that it's just best to call you a faggot

>>64074633
If you genuinely thing teh EU is the great evil then you either know nothing about it or live on /pol/ I'm in a European state and the EU has impoved life here vastly and I say that without any hesitation. Don;t start talking to me about immigration either when Rusisa is obenly orchestratinng mass trafficing or attemoting to into the EU as a destabalisation tactic and has been every since Assad used it to get opponents out of Syria. Its being going on for over a decade. That is alose by the way one reason why there is no walking away from this by Putin and Moscow. They started attacking teh EU a long time ago and in the end of this fight only one will be left standing. It is not going to be Putin either, he offers nothing except dead bodies like nemtsov and navalny and poverty.Alexander Litvinenko tried to warn Russians, they should have listened, now their future is North korea or more likley Russia seeking to exist as a state at all..

>>64074655
Yeah yeah yeah yeah except.

>You're impoverished because your tin pot dictator doesnt pay you a living wage
>You still work, and you still get paid something so that you aren't starving to death in immediate future
>Brother its time to protest
Sounds reasonable, right? You just want a better life.
>So you skip multiple days of work to riot in the streets
Great. Except... What're you eating? Weren't you fired for being absent? Let's say you're an ER doctor and you just don't go to work, you go rioting. Who's treating the sick? Why does your boss not fire you, even though he reports to the tin pot dictator?
>Actually other protestors brought food and water, and they give it out for free to everyone who asks.
Kind souls. But who paid for it all?
>Oh just some NGO.
Welcome to Color Revolution.

The fact that your previous boss fired you for skipping work is a bonus, you now have no way back to your previous life.

Some social circles like 'students' can skip more days of school, and are more susceptible to free shit since they usually don't have time for both a full time job and their studies.

>>64074662
>Bro you're wrong not everyone is living on the verge of starvation!
But
>These people need to riot and overthrow their government because they keep people living on the verge of poverty and starvation

>>64074668
Buck broken by basic logic of
>but what do they eat

>>64074677
You are a dishonest stupid little man, I don;t even think you are Rusisan but one of the smug bastards spawned by former stalinist traitors who were in every single instance morally bankrupt and valueless, an actual tankie, here to suck the kremlins anus in any and all circumstances including the betrayal of your own country men and family because your major aspirtion in life is to be the biggest piece of shit imaginable just as your parents were.

>>64074686
Sounds great but instead of trying to attack me for being 'dishonest' (how?), you might want to either rebuke what I said with some kind of logical statement, or try to understand that perhaps I am right.