Thread 64077157

why is no one making repros of blued revolvers with shrouded hammers anymore?

>>64077157 (OP)
Hardly anyone makes blued revolvers these days as bluing is expensive and people want cheap. Shrouded hammer revolvers are already a niche. Any reason you're allergic to getting a normal blued revolver and bobbing the hammer? Depending on how long you leave the hammer it could still be used single-action, which is a major advantage.

i ate them all

>>64077174
>Hardly anyone makes blued revolvers these days as bluing is expensive and people want cheap

>>64077186
Those are varnished bro. Do you even know what bluing looks like?

>>64077207
Meant Nitrided. Am retard.

>>64077157 (OP)
Forget the blued, just give me a 649 .357 with 2 1/4" barrel and fixed sights, basically just the 640 pro with a shrouded hammer

>>64077244
you can probably just get one built if you know a gunsmith

>>64077174
>Any reason you're allergic to getting a normal blued revolver and bobbing the hammer?
still waiting on an answer to this, shroudfags.

Why no-one makes .38 specials anymore?
The answer is simple, tootsie.

The truth is, time moved past us. Both us, the ruined, hard-boiled detectives, as well as those revolvers we used.
We ...we are not just needed anymore.
In a world with constant informational surveillance, as well as goons with bullet-proof jackets, automatic weapons and hard-hooking drugs... we are just obsolete.

Now, that doesn't mean we are not useful ,us detectives, or our .38 special revolvers. No, we are just as effective as we used to be. It's just that nowdays there are so many other, more advanced models available that we ...well, we just get left in the margins.

Oh, don't get me wrong, tootsie. I will work you hard in the way you have longed for, if you give me a chance. But I wonder if the time has gone past our way of life? In this interconnected world, is there anymore space for ...just two ships, meeting in the night... or for an old-fashioned romance?

>>64078017
do you know what a shroud is

Nitriding is superior to Blueing lol. It's not even close. You can't blue stainless steel but you can nitride it.

Nobody has the skill to make "repros" man, just spend the money and buy a used one and take good care of it. It's amazing S&W still makes as many j frames as they do, the 640 and 638 specifically

>>64078134
>Nobody has the skill to make "repros" man, just spend the money and buy a used one and take good care of it
S&W is making new Model 36s and Model 10s

>>64078140
If Smith and Wesson made them they wouldn't be "repros", they'd be reissues. Repro implies a new company picking up an old design.

But yes the modern Model 29 and Model 36 reissues are awesome. They should make a carbon frame model 38 humpback but they won't

>>64078130
This silly little cover that looks really ugly and covers up the hammer on a revolver, which may or may not be removable. It's function is to make the gun less likely to catch on something during draw.

Now, answer the question. Why do you want a shroud specifically? What does that do for you that a bobbed hammer does not? Is this just an aesthetic choice for you or is there something else going on?

>>64077157 (OP)
>shrouded hammers
Because no one was buying them. It was simply a good idea with no demand.

>>64078223
>What does that do for you that a bobbed hammer does not?
shrouds allow you to pull the hammer back and fire in single-action like you would normally. that's their whole shtick. a fully-bobbed hammer does not permit this.

single action is for fingerlets

>>64077157 (OP)
Because 99.9% of the people who have any desire for such a thing have been collecting social security for over 30 years, and more importantly already own five.

>>64077157 (OP)
It would be extremely niche and probably not very profitable but somebody should do it in small batches.

>>64077157 (OP)
I have this massive pipe dream that s&w makes a 5 shot hump back like pic related in 44 magnum. As a sort of "fuck you" carry gun

>>64078284
>a fully-bobbed hammer does not permit this.
Sure. But a partially bobbed hammer does permit it, without the addition of an extra part. The whole schtick seems entirely pointless when an alternative that works even better exists.

I get the impression that people like the way they look but lack the self-confidence to just admit that.

>>64078134
That depends on what your purpose in mind is. Nitriding is certainly more durable than bluing, but it doesn't look the same either. If you just want a black gun then sure, it's better than bluing. If you want the classic old-school look then nitriding won't give you that.

>>64078112
You old spook

>>64079895
As close as there is to it

>>64077174
>major advantage
Skill issue, if you're good with your snubby then single action is irrelevant, and you should not be using it at all.

I've seen so many revolver boomers who will shoot double action sometimes but then fall back to single action plinking for 70% of their range trip. If you're serious about using a revolver as a weapon and not a range toy then using the single action is as retarded as single loading a semi auto

>>64080541
That doesn't address my question at all. In fact, it only makes the question more valid. If the goal is to shoot DAO like a true badass then why not bob the hammer completely?

The shroud implies that you want to shoot single action at least some of the time, otherwise you'd have a hammerless gun instead.

>>64080589
NTA, but I imagine he was projecting earlier when he said
>is this just an aesthetic choice for you or is there something else going on?
Bobed hammers are absolutely a fashion thing these days as like you said, hammerless revolvers exist. The only thing bobing a hammer does if force you to install a regular hammer to regain full function of the hammer if you don't like it.

>>64077157 (OP)
>blued
blame the epa it's too expensive and restrictive to do now

>>64080997
Plenty of companies still do it. Just a matter of skill.

>>64077157 (OP)
I like external hammers though otherwise how do I cock it in my pocket

>>64080997
>blame the epa
Got a source on that fuddlore, boomer?

>>64080589
I do want to shoot single action on my fits shit, yes well done.

>>64081012
Okay, so why pick a hammer shroud over a partially bobbed hammer in that case? Why introduce that extra step of having to flip up the cover before you can use the gun SA?

>>64077157 (OP)
Because you'll look at it on the internet and go "nice" and not buy it. Normie NPCs will keep buying piles of goyslop plastic guns, so that's all manufacturers produce.

>>64080997
>blame the epa
I call bullshit on that. Old school techniques like rust bluing and machine bluing don't require any kind of hazardous materials. Hot Salt bluing does require chemicals that are "hazmat" to ship, but there's nothing illegal about it, you can buy the supplies to DIY it from Brownell's. And that is the newer system that came into use AFTER the EPA got big.

>>64081003
It's not hard, it's just laborious and therefore expensive. Bluing requires an absolutely perfect finish before it is performed. It's not a coating that covers up defects on a surface the way you might paint over a wall, it's a chemical reaction that happens to the surface itself.

Modern gun makers like matte, brushed, or cerakote finishes because those cover up tiny little surface imperfections. Instead of having to keep the parts perfectly polished they can instead not worry about minor little dings because they know they will be hidden when the gun is finished. Parkerize, bead-blasting, and cerakote conceal production sins. Bluing does not.

>>64080589
>That doesn't address my question at all. In fact, it only makes the question more valid.
Your original question was
>"Any reason you're allergic to getting a normal blued revolver and bobbing the hammer?"
and multiple people have chimed in that bobbed hammers are just an inferior alternative to revolvers with internal hammers. Shrouded hammers, on the other hand, are for people who still think they might need to use the single-action mode but want a revolver less likely to snag.

>>64082458
>>Your original question was "Any reason you're allergic to getting a normal blued revolver and bobbing the hammer?"
Yes, that's right. Nobody has answered that question yet.

>and multiple people have chimed in that bobbed hammers are just an inferior alternative to revolvers with internal hammers
Nobody has said that yet. And if they did, I would instantly have disagreed with it.

>Shrouded hammers, on the other hand, are for people who still think they might need to use the single-action mode but want a revolver less likely to snag.
This makes no sense, and fails to address the question I raised in >>64081019.

Let's say we think we might want to shoot our snubbie in SA. Why would we choose a shrouded hammer gun over one with a partially bobbed hammer? Both are easily drawn without snagging, but the partially bobbed gun is easier to shoot SA because you don't have to waste time fiddling with the shroud.

>>64079895
this gun is just so god damn ugly

>>64082514
>This makes no sense, and fails to address the question I raised in ...
Okay. I suppose for people who struggle with critical thinking, a hammer that can be cocked makes less sense than a hammer that can't be cocked for SA shooting.
>>64081019
>Why introduce that extra step of having to flip up the cover before you can use the gun SA?
There is no cover. Have you just never seen a shrouded hammer in your life?

>>64082639
>a hammer that can be cocked makes less sense than a hammer that can't be cocked for SA shooting.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. A partially bobbed hammer is easier and faster to access than a shrouded one.

>There is no cover.
Often times the shroud is a separate part not integral to the frame, a silly little dingus that does nothing but get in the way.

>>64082967
>a silly little dingus that does nothing but get in the way
you are aware you can still cock the hammer, because it's an open back, right?
>picrel, a screenshot of your retardation

>>64077157 (OP)

Is there even a way to just buy a blued shroud for an old model 36? Does anyone make that the way they do T grips?

>>64082967
>A partially bobbed hammer is easier and faster to access than a shrouded one.
You must have never used either if you believe this, but at this point I'm convinced you're just a troll since you moved the goalpost from bobbed hammers to partially bobbed hammers.

>>64083057
Someone used to but they don't anymore. I know someone on /k/ has a few. I wanted one for cloning Mista's revolver from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (he has a S&W Model 30 with an aftermarket shroud), but I have not been able to find one on the internet after a few years of searching.

>>64077157 (OP)
The shroud is popular for pocket guns, but most pocket revolvers are aluminum framed or plastic framed these days. Furthermore, bluing is more susceptible to rust than other finishes and thus is a worse choice for finish on a pocket gun anyway. They're pretty kino though and I really like mine.

>>64082987
You are aware that barely touching the tips of knurling is not a secure way to cock a hammer like getting a full hold of an exposed one, right?

>>64083287
>barely touching the tips of knurling is not a secure way to cock a hammer

>that's why you should circumcise your hammer to make it even harder to cock

>>64077174
>it could still be used single-action, which is a major advantage.
All the shit on this comment chain could have been avoided if someone noticed this just isn't true.
The advantages of a fully-enclosed "hammerless" frame over a shrouded hammer far outweighs the remote chance of single action capability making the difference in any encounter.

>>64077157 (OP)
>Expensive
>Incredibly niche
>Absurd recoil
>Expensive ammo
Gen 3 g19 wins again

>>64083256

Sick society. Maybe I could commission something from a local gunsmith.

>>64083524
>That limp-wristed faggy grip-angle

>>64079895
While it's not a magnum, S&W did make the S&W 296, a scandium-framed 5-shot .44 Special with a humpback. It might be the ugliest gun they ever made and they didn't sell many of them

>>64077174
Wtf are you talking about anon? There's plenty of blued revolvers out there in current production.
It isn't always a good blue, but it's a blue nonetheless

>>64078223
>>64080268
I want it shrouded because I pocket carry.

>>64083287
>barely touching the tips of knurling
you have never handled a shrouded snubby, have you?