Thread 64078195

Funny Desert Squiggles Edition

Post whatever you want, just hate boomers.

Thread Question: Tell us the story of the Surp that got away.

Got a matching Type 2 Paratrooper rifle for $1650 today life is good (Mum ground off but not paying $1,000 extra for it on)

>Tell us the story of the Surp that got away.
I passed on 900 rounds of 8mm mauser for $300 but 2 months later I saw the guy again and bought it so not really a get away moment

My boomer hate story is a boomer at Tusla making fun of me (18 at the time) for not being $5,000+ to "A gun show like this" and a more recent one was 2 boomers making fun of me for only bringing my gun to show off to people

>>64078195 (OP)
>(18 at the time) for not being $5,000+ to "A gun show like this
Hes not wrong if you were aware. But ill just assume you didnt know any better or werent aware so fuck him.
>2 boomers making fun of me for only bringing my gun to show off to people
This is also fair game to make fun of you BUT it depends on the setting. Was there a space/time or is it a place were show and tell is a thing, or did you just kinda bring a gun to a gunshow to talk about it? essentially you were a walking "display only" which is dumb, unless it was a really cool gun. I woulda chatted you up too depending on what it was.

>>64078395
>(18 at the time) for not being $5,000+ to "A gun show like this
Hes not wrong if you were aware. But ill just assume you didnt know any better or werent aware so fuck him.
>2 boomers making fun of me for only bringing my gun to show off to people
This is also fair game to make fun of you BUT it depends on the setting. Was there a space/time or is it a place were show and tell is a thing, or did you just kinda bring a gun to a gunshow to talk about it? essentially you were a walking "display only" which is dumb, unless it was a really cool gun. I woulda chatted you up too depending on what it was.

>>64078195 (OP)
I used to work for Mitchell's Mausers and we forged 70% of everything sold. Fill and restamp, you name it. WE NEVER HAD ONE SINGLE REAL SNIPER/MARKSMAN EVAR.
Some of the "german" ones were argentines.

successfully got everything rear of the turret out of my $90 zeiss zielvier project and straightened the reticle post with tweezers.

but the crosshair is still quite dirty, lots of gunk on it. Anyone have ideas on a way to clean it?

its a german #5 with the wire so thin i couldnt even see it. but thankfully its the posts with gunk on them.

>>64078395
My surp that got away is my grandfathers type 2 paratrooper bringback he sold before i was born

Extremely jealous

I asked in the last thread but no response so ill ask again. Given the choice betweeen the 2, Brown Bess or Springfield 1812 for a neat flintlock. Price is not a factor, just which is more fun/better

>>64078395
>Got a matching Type 2 Paratrooper rifle for $1650 today life is good (Mum ground off but not paying $1,000 extra for it on)
Pics! If bubba hadn't dinked with it, that's a steal of a deal.

>>64078921
https://legacy-collectibles.com/37785
Time to face the fire and let you guys find literally everything wrong with this rifle that I didnt notice lmao

>>64078921
>>64078999
Na honestly you did good. Legacy does tend to skew higher but for what you got and the price you got a good one for a not rape price.

>>64078999
Someone has renumbered the bolt body. They even numbered it upside down to boot.

When you get it, I would go over all the other numbers more closely, but I suspect it's fine. There is a hidden number on the forestock that you can usually partially see in the hole for the pin that lines up the two halves.

>>64079033
>Legacy does tend to skew higher but for what you got and the price you got a good one for a not rape price.
I've seen several in person and a few on Legacy and gun broker go for ~$2000 so for $1650 I'm pretty happy with it

I'm definitely gonna hold onto it for awhile but I might bring it to Tusla to trade for stuff if I find something I REALLY want

>>64078195 (OP)
>Funny Desert Squiggles Edition
Translate it, Heebs!
>Tell us the story of the Surp that got away.
I should have thrown stupid money at a Belgian M1889 five years ago. Now they hardly even come up for sale.

>>64078469
I wish Mitchells went out of buisness in the 90s

>>64080752
I’m new to milsurp collecting and I almost fucked up big time a few days ago. I was scrolling through gunbroker and I saw what I thought was a beautiful k98 for 900. Was 100% gonna buy it until I looked up Mitchell’s Mausers and almost had a mini heart attack. Fuck that company

>>64078195 (OP)
My biggest fuckup was letting an actually legit G98/K98 with totenkopf get away. It sold for $7,500 and I could have afforded it, but I hesitated and then it was gone.

>>64078195 (OP)
I really wanted an early Koishikawa model of Type38 but I could not afford it at the time so I just watched it until it was sold to someone else and I felt strangely relieved after that. Like the temptation is finally gone. I'm free. I still have my Type30 and Nagoya Type38.

Now I have all the shit to handload for a .455 Webley
...the next step will be to buy the revolver itself

>>64081845
Just shave it and shoot some pissin' hot 45acp through it. What's the worst that could happen?

>>64081809
Maybe you can answer me, not sure if I got a good price or not since the numbers seem wonky.
I purchased a S marked barrel Koishikawa 38 that was decommissioned as a training rifle as far as I can tell. (The mum is present with a circle of 0's around the edge. Also has a 文 kanji after the 三八式)
I don't think the bolt numbers match in any way, it also only has 4 digits that I don't see anywhere else on the rifle.

Paid 275 freedom bucks on a whim. I'll have to pay that much in 6.5 now though just to enjoy it I reckon.

>>64080410
Boy you’re reminding me of the regret I have passing on that pawnshop Jew mauser for $400 less than 5 years ago because it had a bad rear sight assembly

>>64082550
I have no idea about the price, I'm europoor and I'm too lazy to do the neccesary math, but it seems that you've got yourself a trainnig rifle that has been deemed unworthy of military service. Be aware of the danger. Inspect the shit out of it before you shoot.

>>64081809
I have done that before too. Having a tab open tormenting me for weeks even though I know how completely irresponsible the purchase would be. Seeing the "sold" over the price and feeling the weight of a boulder being taken off your chest.

>>64082709
I was just browsing online for a couple examples, the training rifles are pretty common and just mean they refit parts and used it not in combat. It should still be functional and "safe".
Mine seems to be pretty Frankensteined with a sporterized stock, a slightly chopped barrel, and some aftermarket sights.
I'm not a big milsurp guy at all, so I'll just enjoy the silliness of it.
I like owning the idea moreso than a parts matching special variant.

>>64082550
It's a decent price. School rifles are generally mismatched. They were probably cannibalizing parts to make complete guns. The parts were also originally matched with an assembly number and not the serial number. Pic related. Though, rebuilds can be matched with the serial number. It's complicated at times.
>>64082709
School rifles aren't the same thing as trainers. Trainers are purpose built guns made of pot metal that are just meant to fire blanks/wooden bullets. School rifles are real rifles taken out of service and given to schools. The trainers were more for younger children, while the school rifles were more for high school and university students.
>>64082709
If you're a Europoor, that Nagoya is probably a Thai used Type 38.

>>64082802
How do I recognise Thai Type38?

>>64082858
25,000 rifles from Kokura's 25th ヰ series and Nagoya's 27th オ series were sent as aid to Thailand. They were all factory fresh and the mums were all cancelled like that at the factory. The Thai's called it the Type 83. They also had their Type 66, but that was a contract in their own caliber. They were an emergency buy because of the Franco-Thai war IIRC. I don't even think the Thais used them that much.

Another sign that it was a Thai rifle is the fact that it's not in the US as they were sold when we couldn't import military guns so most are in Europe or Canada.

>>64082894
Thank you... Now, every time when I'm handling my Nagoya type38, I'll be thinking about ladyboys.... I shoud have bought that Koishikawa type38 for fuck sake... anyway... thank you.

>>64080410
>translate it
>צבא הגנה לישראל
>army defense for Israel
I know Biblical Hebrew rather than Modern Hebrew, but it seems to be saying "Army of the Defense of Israel" or "Army for the Defense of Israel.t הגנה is pronounced Haganah though, so maybe it's associated with the paramilitary group?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

>>64078195 (OP)
>Gander Mtn. Hand nugget. $125.
>mk VI, $500 I think
>That Chinese .45acp broomhandle. $1000
>P38 for $700.
I have much less love for handguns than long but I regret not pulling the trigger after the fact just as much

>pic related
my redemption just this very today. Don’t know shit about period accurate but not gonna fool me twice fate.
Will post after 3 day unconstitutional gay jail. Along with hilarious odd holster even I could figure was NOT nazi standard issue.

>>64078195 (OP)
>Gander Mtn. Hand nugget. $125.
>mk VI, $500 I think
>That Chinese .45acp broomhandle. $1000
>P38 for $700.
I have much less love for handguns than long but I regret not pulling the trigger after the fact just as much

>pic related
my redemption just this very today. Don’t know shit about period accurate but not gonna fool me twice fate.
Will post after 3 day unconstitutional gay jail. Along with hilarious odd holster even I could figure was NOT nazi standard issue.

>>64082980
What is your pic from? It’s so familiar it’s bugging me

>>64078195 (OP)
>surpscaped
>be me, 16, 2004ish height of the surp boom.
>~$100 rifles as far as you can see.
>dad and I go to various local gun stores surp collecting have a large closets worth of old rifles, mostly cheap af, but a couple of nice ones as well
>Dad basicially won't spend over $300 on anything, would rather have 8 $120 garbage rods then one $1000 rifle.
>on the rack at the local place, CETME
>Good Shape
>Good Rifling
>Cycles smoothly
>$450
>we consider it and fondle it for a couple weeks.
>Eventually Buy it
>take it home
>OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY cant fucking wait to take it to the range.
>about a week later Dads takes it back to the store and sells it back cus he's decided its too much and He can't afford to spend that one one gun
>continues buying a succession of $120 garbage rods
>spends the balance on cheap as fuck beer cus hes an alchoholic
>tfw I don't have a CETME cus my dad thinks Three Mosins and a case of Miller lite is a better use of $400.

I had it in my hands
It literally got away.

>>64083246
The pre-1948 Haganah became the Israeli Defense Forces. I was making a play on "Translate it, Weebs".

>>64085061
Here's a clue.

>>64085247
hinna hinna

>>64085108
Cetmes are literally cheap garbage rods. They also arent expensive.

>>64078195 (OP)
motherfucker stealing my picture xD
>>64078195 (OP)
>Thread Question: Tell us the story of the Surp that got away.
I bought a used 2017 Tacoma TRD offroad instead of a 7mm Hotchkiss Portative for $11k last year. I sometimes regret it but the truck is worth it in the long run, considering I do lots of off-roading and exploring inna mountains where I live.
pic related is deactivated, but still cool as fuck for display, so my pain isn't completely overwhelming.

>>64078195 (OP)
im in the uk thinkin of going to some stores or ordering some stuff online for both hiking stealth camping and airsoft
what places are the best?
i wanna get real camo clothing, bags, and some net
like the stuff i used in cadets that went invisible in the dark and worked well in the day too
all i need then is a good ol bolt action airsoft rifle to be a budget sneaky sniper bitch with and il be set
i need a good tent too
what milsurp sites and stores are good?

>>64086039
Save the money, pretend to be Muslim, buy a ticket to US or Australia. One of us will put you up.

Howdy fellas, just picked up my first milsurp since the Mosin I bought back in 2011. Got this Parker-Hale No.4 Mk.1 Sporter. Shoots pretty well at 100yd, action runs real smooth. Couple questions:
Where do I find quality stripper clips/should I not bother?
Where's a good place to find a Mk. 1 Singer sight that isn't a scam?

>>64087538
>clips
I mean. There’s a guy on EBay selling supposed originals for 5/$15

>Type 2 Arisaka got shipping delayed to Monday
Grim but atleast I’ll still have it before next Saturday
(Also yes I will post pics)

>>64087730
Just learned my Spanish cavalry sword got stolen before the guy could ship it

>>64087538
Just buy a surplus lot of ammo in clips and that'll basically supply you with more than enough clips, forever.
They also turn up fairly often in dollar bins at gunshows

Obtain myself a No4 Mk1 bayonet, it ended up being a Savage made one, were No4 Mk1 rifles made by the British also given Savage made bayonet or only British made? Trying to get very autistic about clone correctness.

>>64088277
If its a Mk2 bayonet by savage than it was most likely issued to UK rifles. At that time most bayonet production was Savage or Long Branch

>>64088301
Yeah, it is a Mk2, thanks for the info.

>>64087730
Its in Hawaii isnt it?

Has anyone taken their safety out of their PW Arms M57? I'm trying to find something that I can plug the holes with and I'm looking for ideas.

>>64078513
send it to a professional that shit is delicate af i broke the wire on one of my scopes trying to clean it out and i barely touched it with a q tip. you need really delicate tools

>>64085108
>>64085108
>>64085108
your dad is based listen to your father. CETMEs are trash.

>>64086039
i thought they didnt allow internet in prison? how did you get here?

do ice deserts count?

i know what u got tho

stil thinking about that m1985 Loewe Mauser cavalry carbine for spain in good cond.
its like the early M94 for Sweden but in 7mm
i was hungover and slept thru the online auction end without bidding. it went for a steal. never saw one again.

Just dropped 500 dollarydoos on Mismatched Polack WZ44. I don't really care about the price just more for it being a Polish.
Now should I sell my Romy M53?

>>64091948
I’m a sucker for any kind of wood stamp. So no.
Actually yes. Sell it to me.

>>64092021
Not a wood stamp, just some Gypsy that carved his initials into.

>>64078395
>2 boomers making fun of me for only bringing my gun to show off to people
Yet they regularly buy two or more entire tables at small shows just to display piles of shit marked "NFS." Day of the pillow can't get here fast enough.

currently attempting to dig up one of the New South Wales contract Alexander Henry rifles, wish me luck, lads

>>64094024
That seems like quite a rare pull. Good luck.

>>64094631
I have a crippling addiction to the dynamic of either primarily military rifles in sporter configs or sporting rifle actions that got their one military day in the sun. I have a sporter snider in the mail and am bidding on a rook calibre martini as we speek

>>64094663
It’s always neat when a militia unit adopts something other than the service arm of the standing army. Sometimes it’s superior, sometimes it’s worse.

Type 2 came in today and it’s really nice looking. It actually came with a repro sling, dust cover and original cleaning rod which wasn’t shown on the pictures which is nice however I couldn’t find the cuff for the sling so I might need to go buy one. Bore looks great as well. Only downside is since the dust cover is a repro it doesn’t really fit on properly and I can turn on the safety with it on the gun

>>64095806
>Bore looks great as well.
Finding a Type 99 that doesn't have at least a very good or excellent bore would be quite the find. None really had long service lives.

How are the numbers? Besides the renumbered bolt.

>>64095806
Cool stuff man

Just got mine (released from gay jail) today too.
$515 for fake grips and one repro or post-war magazine but also one original mag. Bore is ok.
Looking into it, everything else seems correct and in good working order. I’m not generally into handguns but I’m not gonna let fate fuck me twice. I’m happy.

Still thinking about that $700 1887 though

Anyone know what the hell this pimp shit is?

>>64096535
Everything matched besides the firing pin and safety knob, I could see what you mean by the bolt getting renumbered (it's a lot easier to see it in person but idk what the original numbers were) but who knows if that was Japan that did it or someone else.
I couldn't find the number on the foregrip you mentioned but I was also a bit pressed for time and the owner was away at a gun show and he's the only one allowed to put stuff in the books so I couldn't take it home today
>Finding a Type 99 that doesn't have at least a very good or excellent bore would be quite the find. None really had long service lives.
To be fair the only other jap gun I had's barrel was completely worn out but that was due to the boomers that owned it before me leaving it looking literally like a sewer pipe and neglecting the shit out of it. Luckily I sold it to another boomer for the same price I payed cause "Its got that there mum on it sonny that means a GEE EYE took it home in his bag!" lmao

Doesn’t quite close on it.

Looks commercial but the rod holder is so milstandard looking

>>64096595
The Japanese would not renumber the bolt like that. And again, no Type 99 had long enough service life to warrant any sort of rebuilding. I personally think the other numbers looked good in the pictures, but I am always extra paranoid when I see a renumbered bolt like that.

The number I was talking about is on the inside of the forestock. The number is usually where the locating pin sticks in, so you can usually see the numbers in there, or at least some of them. It's kinda a hidden spot most people don't know about.

>>64096642
Since the Safety knob and firing pin match each other so i'd make a guess to say thats probably the original numbers for the bolt due to them just throwing all the bolts into a pill and losing them so maybe the GI that brought it back had the means to renumber it for the sake of looking nice.
You think the japs would've restruck it if they fucked up the striking at the factory or did they not care enough to do that?

>>64096670
>You think the japs would've restruck it if they fucked up the striking at the factory or did they not care enough to do that?
They did. Here is one that got fixed at the factory.

That renumbing is 100% someone trying to pass it off as "all matching." Very common in Nahtzie collecting circles.

>>64096689
Bubba strikes again lol
Oh well non matching Type 2's still run $2,000 so I'd say I did pretty good

>>64096606
>>64096600
>>64096593
this just a random holster you found in the woods? the rod makes me think Luger but the mag isnt a luger mag and Im not sure about the felt or whatever inside liner. Anything else about it you can tell us?

Is a mosin 44 carbine worth $450 if the rifling at the muzzle looks a bit worn away? I'm guessing it's a 44 carbine based off the bayonet mount, but I'm bringing a tape measure tomorrow to see how long the barrel is when I look at it again. Tag says m91, but that doesn't mean crap. Everything looks to be in good condition other than the rifling at the muzzle.

>>64096593
that's called corduroy, it was pretty popular back in the day

>>64096593
>>64096600
>>64096606
Tokarev holster?

>>64096739
Came with the gun above it

I want a full length pre 1900 mosin. How much should I expect to pay and how do I find/spot one aside from checking the images on every single gunbroker listing?

>>64096780
ah, didnt associate the posts cause im retarded

>>64096815
if your area is shit for surp then just scrutinize the hell out of listings.
otherwise, shop around. They turn up regularly. Unless as above, your area doesnt have shit and you arent within a fun trip to a solid gunshow.
good luck.

>>64096815
You can get a Finnish-used one for probably $5-600. Most common way those early m/91s survived was in Finnish service.

>>64096775
Shit anon I think you’re right. I should have known to start there since it reminded me of a hand nugget holster specifically so much. It’s just suede is something my brain actively dissociates from soviet Russians. Thank you

>>64097185
Chinese tok holster it seems. Thanks comrade. Now I have another gun on the list

Collection is starting to get slightly too big and can no longer keep track of them in my head, how do you guys keep track of your collection? Any software? Or good ole paper and pen?

>>64097276
i have 70 surps
i know their type, ammo, history and in which locker they are
i want to keep em angry and aggressive
so they dont lose their fighting spirit
i want the rifles to keep their will to kill
so i put the israeli haganah k98 next to the bnz ss k98
enfeld next to ishapore smle
m39 sako next to tula m91/30 snajper
arisaka next to springfield
steyr next to carcano
berthier next to mauser
chile m1895 next to 1909 argentino
everytime i open the gun locker i inhale that sweet sweet scent of hatred
i love it
any idea what i could put next to my swiss and swede rifles in that regard?
can i piss off a swedish mauser with a norge kongsberg k98?

BTW TODAY IS RANGE SATURDAY NIGGAS PEW PEW

>>64097276
You get closer to the ones locked up for too long.
Take ‘em to dinner, take ‘em to bed, shower with em etc

>>64097322
Lol

>>64097276
I don't have that problem (yet) but that's how I keep track of my wants, on paper. See something neat and funky, write it down. Helps my memory take and stick if nothing else. You should have a list of gun, markings (as stamped), and S/N anyways just in case shit gets stolen or something. I might go through the whole collection and type each gun on a single line in MS Word or something first. Then alphabetize and make categories that would make sense for your own convenience; by country, by gun (mauser category), whatever. Then print or write as you have it. Hard copies > digital, IMO. Hard drives die. Files get corrupted (I have pics from this site that are like 10+ y/o that won't open anymore). Computers get destroyed or the PSU fries shit. 2 is 1, 1 is none. Have copies. And pencil won't fade like ink (but it can smear).

Maybe even hide some info papers under buttplates and handguards if you're really paranoid. Had an old 22 come like that once, took the rifle out of the stock and a little paper fell out. It was one of the previous owner's info cards using one of those cheap personalized name&address w/ clip art stickers you'd get in a huge pack for sticking on envelopes before mailing them. I don't even know if that's a thing anymore lol. There was also one under the buttplate. I think if the thing had an upper handguard he'd have hidden one there too. In my paranoia it'd have to be archive grade paper and pen, though. Doesn't help you if the paper crumbles to dust or it makes your gun rust.

>>64097511
So use Word and print it out using nice egg shell white archive paper and stuff it in the gunussy for storage?

>>64096759
Hell no if you want a decent shooter
The muzzle rifling is pretty much the most critical part

>>64097539
List, I wouldn't bother with archive paper; should have more than one copy anyways. Little notes in the guns, yeah probably. It was kinda funny taking apart that 22 for cleaning and repair, though. Like fucking confetti under every part lol. Probably overkill but I think archive printer paper isn't pricey, and neither are archive quality pens (Sakura and Prismacolor come to mind) but then again, pencil is cheaper and can't fade lol.

>>64096759
Are you sure it isn't just counterbored? Generic pic.

>>64097276
>how do you guys keep track of your collection? Any
.txt

>>64097276
excel spreadsheet come on dude what are you a zoomer or something?

>>64097558
I'm guessing having the basics such as
S/N:12345678
Caliber: .69
Purchase: $420
From: Cocksucker
>>64097587
Never used Excel besides isn't that mostly used for just numbers, what If I want to put pictures or put info about some history that I learnt of the gun?

>>64086039
Better luck in the gear queer thread. Most fags here are cosmoline sniffers.

>>64097601
You can expand the height of single rows if you have pics to insert. I'd make an example but my Windows hard drives are fuuuuuucked. You'd basically be making a chart. Column A is make (ie. Mauser), column B is caliber, column C is S/N, column D is country, column E is etc. (description), column F is pics (widen this one horizontally). Then any gun that has pics or a description you'd make that row taller. Say your Arisaka is on row 12, you make that taller to account for the description and pic. If every one has pics, you simply make that standard with a template which IIRC you can do. Else select the first like 50 rows and change the height all at once. Too many columns or too wide and it does become a bitch to print though.

>>64097601
no wonder you fucks cant get hired for jobs

>>64097601
Like this. And you can even make a "price" column and a "date" column and do some funny shit like charts keeping track of total cash spent over time and gun count over time (bad idea lol I don't want to think just how much I spent on my hunting rifle alone). "Month" would be gun type/name. "Product 1" would be country. "Product 2" would be caliber, etc.

>>64097626
>>64097638
Thanks for the info

>>64097638
>>64097650
Oh fuck wrong pic lol

>>64097601
Model, Serial #, caliber, date of manufacture, manufacturer, nation of origin, end user (if different from nation of origin), interesting details, date of purchase, location of purchase, seller, price paid including fees/theft. If later sold all that info is included as well.

>>64097558
What is the bottom rifle

>>64097926
Greek Mannlicher-Schoenauer M1903/14.

>>64097601
fucking kill yourself zoomie if that isnt bait.
not knowing how to excel is like i cannot windows file system/12hr clock. nigger tier.
and why write down your giuns? cant you recall +/- 50 items? are you retarded?

>>64097946
Super cool, thank you

>>64097322
aaand back from the range
took a swim in the lake on the way back
and a Leberkäsesemmel
better than sex

picrel is a mauser oberndorf 1899 m96/38 shortened long rifle with a vesteras backsight

when i found the point of aim at 100m/110yrds
the rifle ate the center out of the target
5cm/2inch groups

>>64098001
the mauser

>>64098005
>>64098001
the 1st group in the after sighting in
kept point of impact although hot
im happy

>>64097946
is the 2nd from top in >>64097558 a steyr 1893 long rifle?

>>64097543
>mosin
>decent shooter
Pick one, but your argument is not without merit.
>>64097551
It is not, but probably should be.
I'm going to look at it again today, and I have this now to reference. https://files.catbox.moe/vg5j2n.pdf

>>64098149
a mosin can be pretty accurate.
esp. the max. tuned finns and selected snipers.

>>64098149
>>64098215
>mosin accuracy
Yeah I can reliably put groups on a pie plate at 250yd with me my 1928 91/30 slinging 150gr PPU soft points. I realize that's not hyper-accuracy buy it's about as much as you can ask of a nearly 100yr old mass-produced surp rifle& it's more than adequate for hunting

>>64098038
Yes, Romanian M1893 stuck in a Dutch KNIL M95 stock. All remaining Romanian parts are matching. I’ll never find an original Romanian stock so either I modify this one to fit or have a repro made. For what I paid I figured it’s worth restoring.

>>64096759
>>64097543
>>64097551
>>64098215
>>64098243
I am triumphant. It's a m91 made in 1915, and likely refurbished by the Finns at some point. I was confusing the bayonet mount with another gun I saw a the store.

>>64099080
They also have a winchester 1897 for $500 that I'm going to buy on monday if it's still there. It doesn't have the heat shield and bayonet lug, but it's a 1897 so it still rustles my jimmies.

>>64078195 (OP)
>surp that got away
>be me
>1st deployment
>last mission less than a week away from going home
>capture an enemy cache
>buncha bullshit, go to bip it(I’m eod)
>we keep the weapons to train with
>one of the AKs has Cyrillic and a 1952 date stamp
>almost perfect condition, I don’t think it was ever actually used more than a handful of times
>leave it for the incoming team
>go to handle customs
>contractor walks up to my container as I’m unlocking it
>”you have anything in there I should know about?”
>”nah man I’ll show you anything you want”
>”you’re good”
>walks away
I could have put a live fucking at4 in there and he never would have known. We heard they were chill but still didn’t want to risk it

>>64099088
>1897
Breakdown?

>>64098324
Well shit I’ll send you this. I’m not needing it rn

>>64099282
Slamfire shotgun that krauts don't like because they are sore losers.

Where's the best place to get a K31 thats surplus?

>>64099839
I think he meant maybe -is it a takedown- 1897 instead of the word breakdown.
Important to that, is it cut down to riot length or full length?

>>64099975
They regularly show up on Simpson, I think there are a few up now. Theyre typically 5-600. otherwise gunshows or a based LGS if you got one

>>64100010
oh, well it looks similar to this, looks longer than this picture, and had full marked on the barrel. This picture looks like it could be converted to riot set up easily, but not the one in the store.

>>64100034
On further reflection, the barrel was cylinder bore when I looked at it so it has been cut down somewhat. It did have the magazine spinny thing for take down models as well.

>>64100034
sorta. the one pictured is still even just a bit longer than a riot length. there isnt really a difference if the model is a takedown or not

Nearly ALL "riot length" guns you'll find are cut downs of varying quality. A verifiable police issued one is about as rare and even more expensive than a true military marked trench one.

If you plan to trench gun a riot length 1897, you will need to cut/grind off the bead (assuming whoever cut it bothered to put one on)

>>64100010
Dammit you’re right.
>>64100034
This is a takedown. The barrel comes off if you push the pin at the end of the magazine tube and rotate the mag tube, pull the tube out and then rotate the whole barrel/tube assembly which then comes out. Model 12s have the exact same mechanism

>>64100034
if youre going to turn it into a trench clone, takedown models actually have 21" long barrels, solid frame were 20"

>>64097322
Get a Norwegian krag to go with your Swede. There was so much petty beef with that rifle that allegedly Norway changed the tolerances of the 6.5x55 swede ammo they produced and the Krag itself so that despite being in the same chamber, all Swedish made 6.5x55 ammo would be compatible in Norwegian krags but Norwegian manufactured ammo could not be used in Swedish 6.5 chambered guns

What is your favorite milsurp firearm?

>>64100995
i could probably name my favorite per country but even that would be tricky, maybe top 3 per country

>>64100995
>What is your favorite milsurp firearm?
United States Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903.

>>64101331
why come the bolt handle is swept back some time

>>64101370
yes

>>64101370
>why come the bolt handle is swept back some time
Ergonomic change made in 1918.

>>64100995
Mauser: Europe :/

Mauser: Japan :O

>>64101408
Mauser: America o7

>>64100995
My Steyr-Mannlicher 1895 is usually what I say is my favorite, but my P14 is sneaking up on me. I'm really quite liking .303, and now I want an Enfield to use the cartridge more

>>64100995
I really really like my Gewehr 98. I need more now that I have my first.

>>64100995
I like my M48, perfect condition, cheap, reliable and accurate...

>>64100995
swedish mauser
M38 Husqvarna

>>64102301
They make dirt bikes now

>>64097322
>range
disgusting

>>64103024
I wish that would be possible for me where I live. I want to be walking around former soviet military instalations strapped with mosin or AK, but I can only conceal carry my 1944 Tokarev.

>>64102613
and chainsaws

>>64103024
for reasons beyond my understanding
all the mas 59 here have no grenade sight. but all the refit mas 36 have theirs still attached.

>>64103360
Some places, like California, don't allow grenade launchers. A lot of 49/56s have been removed to be sold there. The 36/51s should also have the same de-sexing.

>>64104013
I hate that fucking state so much. I’m moving the next couple years because my states filled up with them. And more record-breaking unconstitutional tyranny goes into effect next year

>>64102613
Lots of comapnies that made guns back then make different things now. Even back then, companies that DIDNT make guns started making them then back to regular shit after the wars

>>64100995
Tough call. I have favorites amongst all of the various catagroies of surp I have
But the overall winner I guess would, after all the things ive gotten since. My first surp, my M1 Garand

>>64105776
That’s a great first. Mine was the simple 91/30. It’s certainly the specific one I have the most sentimentality toward for that reason.

>>64105925
Funnily enough, my second surp was a 91/30.
I think the M1 being my first is and therefore being the most sentimental is probably why its my favorite. There are a few that have stories behind them of how I acquired them and then the historical significance of others. But ultimately sentimentality wins out.

What's a good price on a pre-1918 dated Lee-Enfield? I'd probably rather a longer one over a SMLE, but that's not vital

>>64110146
no1mk3s are typically anywhere between 5-800 depending on condition.

Would you guys, pay 650 for a Sestroretsk Finn'd M91 that in pretty good/decent shape? I'm tempted just for the cool crest.

Whats a good price for an SVT 40 with a majority of matching parts?

>>64110307
If you really like it and you've got the money, then why the hell not?

>>64110307
Absolutely. That’s a fucking unseen gem in my circuits.

Did any of the Swiss straight pull rifles (k31/k11) ever saw any action?

>>64111139
IIRC some ZFK55s which were scoped marksman rifles with an FG42 style brake were put on a boat, which was then marked as having an accident of some sort, with the cargo being lost. Which was then recovered by the new state of Israel, who was taking literally all it could get. I am too tired to look up the full story but that should be enough to get you going on google.

>>64110372
don't SVT's run about 2k these days?

>think about reloading for my L1A1 again
>break out my new tube of Lee Lube
>it smells like fish
Jesus fuck what happened, I got an ancient tube with my used reloading equipment and it both worked fine and had a pleasant emollient cream kind of scent

>>64111355
Thanks, a while ago I saw a Reddit comment about how they don't buy Swiss milsurp because it is not real milsurp since Swiss never saw any action, stupid argument for sure.

>>64111479
Doesn't make sense as an argument but I guess you're going to collect what you're interested in anyway

>>64111139
Aside from taking an occasional pot-shot at a border jumper and the Israeli K31 contract, probably no.

>>64111355
They were K31s, not ZFK55s.

>>64111393
They've gotten more expensive like everything else. Most go for like $2.5-$3k.

still probably not worth it. also they're selling barreled and non-barreled Garand receivers now.

>>64078195 (OP)
My mosin extractor was fucked so I had to replace it, four hours of filing and fitting later and now I'm a gunsmif

I honestly like well done sporterized rifles more than ones that are completely original

>>64096593
Chinese type 54 holster.

>>64087105
idk how pretending to be muslim would help but yeah i rly wanna get a greencard husband rn
>>64089559
dont know, im yet to get those popups demanding id everyones complaining about, maybe my browser settings idk
>>64097603
noted

>>64113069
You got certified by STI, Siberian Technical Institute

How much is too much for an argentine infantry mauser 91? what should I check when buying one? I saw one in my local gun store.

>>64114579
$20 is a lot less than the other one

>weather finally gonna be nice and im not working this weekend
ITS TIME. TIME FOR SURP. So many to choose from. thinking something I dont have too much brass for on the table so should produce some more.

>>64114601
>How much is too much for an argentine infantry mauser 91?
Depends on the condition. There are many Argie 1891s that were kept in storage as war reserve and never issued before being sold as surplus. They are in immaculate condition, all serials matching, but they will have the national seal cresting the receiver ring defaced as per Argentine government surplus policy at the time. Conversely, there are very beat-up 1891s (usually carbines) that were in service for much longer and were sold off after the rule on defacing national seals was lifted, which means they have their crests but are often in much worse overall condition. Figure ~$5-600 for a -condition matching rifle or carbine that has been scrubbed, or one that hasn't been scrubbed but is more used and mis-matched. I know there's an Anon here who paid $2K for his matching M91 long rifle w/crest.
>what should I check when buying one?
Matching serial numbers, bore condition, stock condition. The usual.

>>64114785
My bad, it's a 1909 Mauser, not a 1891 one.

It's first time buying a surplus rifle by the way, and my local gun store just got one for sale and looks good.

>Matching serial numbers, bore condition, stock condition. The usual.
what about the firing ping and extractor? Pic related, at least the were kind enough to post pics from both the bore and the bolt.

Just the tips

>>64114833
Hard to tell much from just looking st the bolt face, but that doesn’t look unusually corroded/eroded from leaking primers and the extractor claw looks in good shape. Firing pin tip can be checked by putting the safety in the vertical position and unscrewing the striker assembly from the bolt body. M1909s were surplussed after the scrubbing of crests ended and are usually in matching condition.

>>64114918
Thanks anon, I will try to visit the gun store and check it myself, hope another guy doesn't snitch it before I get there, just like the USP9 I wanted.

Hopefully by the end of the week I will own my first surplus rifle.

>>64114976
>Hopefully by the end of the week I will own my first surplus rifle.
Welcome fren.

>>64114918
I need a Argie 1909 to go with my 1891

>>64114762
I'm going to my first gun show in over 6 months on Saturday. It probably won't be very good (low population in my state) but I've gotten decent things and rarer ammo there before.
>>64114976
>Hopefully by the end of the week I will own my first surplus rifle.
Hopefully welcome to the club.
Also, just for thread conversation, what was the last good local deal you all got on Surp? pic related is the matching Spanish 1893 I got a couple months ago for $550 with faint English words on the stock, I'm pretty sure its a Spanish-American War capture.

Pretty crest included

>>64114976
Good luck Anon, I hope you get it. BTW, what are they asking?

>>64114895
Just the tip?

>>64115149
>what was the last good local deal you all got on Surp
Pic related for $557 after fees & theft.

>>64114785
>>64114601
>>64115128
Dont cry for meee Argentinaaaaa
top is only a former argie tho
its now a sigged thick bored Lange sighted booty Peruvian

And since we’re posting Spanish-American War trophies AND Mauser 1891s…

>>64115149
>what was the last good local deal you all got on Surp?
€400 for a L1A1
I got a K31 very cheap too, technically, if you count all the stuff that came with it (120 fresh Norma cases, FL dies, scope and useless garbage scope mount that nonetheless has a high retail price)

>>64115149
>Also, just for thread conversation, what was the last good local deal you all got on Surp?
An M91/30 for $350 at my LGS last summer. I haven't seen a Mosin there since then and the local gun show is always overpriced with limited surp even being there.

>>64080410
>7.62 on the barrel
>then stamped 7.62 again on the receiver, somehow in all caps
>painted in white to highlight it too
Listen, I know you spent a lot of time rechambering it from 8mm and you’re proud of your work, but this is excessive.

>>64087538
I’ve always found clips to be more of a pain in the ass than they are worth. Even with rimmed cartridges, don’t know how people manage to load a rifle and rimlock themselves. I only have clips for the M1 for obvious reasons and clips for the M1 carbine because the 1k rounds of Korean surplus carbine ammo I bought came with all of the rounds in clips and packed in bandoliers.

>>64097558
I just take pictures of them. Overall pictures of both sides and then zoomed in pictures of serial numbers, import stamps, rollmarks, crests, stamps etc.

>>64116072
Skill issue.

Value of an 8mm converted arisaka?

>>64116489
>overpaying for surplus stripper clips or trying to find reproduction stripper clips that actually work just to waste time loading up several of them to go to a range and shoot 35 rounds isn’t an unnecessary pain in the ass
You’re dicking around at the range, retard, not charging German trench lines

>>64117641
Imagine not having hundreds of stripper clips that came free with your ammo.

>>64118631
ok boomer

>>64118758
You can too, Anon. It's out there, right now. Seize it. While you can.

>>64103024
First gun I bought was a Mas 49/56 when I turned 18. Couldn't afford ammo and sold it, decade later find one with a 7.62 conversion. Know the horror stories but decided fuck it. Haven't had a single problem with it, but decided to put in titanium firing pin, new recoil spring, and gas block. Been hunting an original scope for awhile

Anyone have any experience with those Spanish Mausers chambered in 308? FR-8 I believe. LGS has one for $600 that looks to be in pretty decent condition and I'm interested in it since it's in a common caliber.

>>64119018
I've been looking for one for a while, If the bore is good and everything looks solid, offer them 450 and try to get them down. $600 is around the going rate, if not cheaper. I've seen some priced for retarded prices 1300-1500. I guess some retards pay that much... if it's an fr7, don't bother as they have a small ring.

>>64115149
>was the last good local deal you all got on Surp
It was a while ago. Although ive been consistently getting stuff a fair price or maybe a few bucks here and there knocked off. I think the best one I ever did was an M95 for $199 and the bayonet for free back in 2018. old pic

>>64117641
>not charging German trench lines
Ya never know. always good to have some on hand just in case

>>64116072
filtered

>>64119018
That's a good price. If you go on gunbroker, you can see the sold price for auctions and the fr8 tends to sell for 700-900 there. I got mine recently for 650 through an auction house after fees and theft.

>>64119042
Where have you seen them go for 450?

>>64119357
Reread my post, 600 is a good price but a lot of shops don't know what they have. Told him to offer 450 and try and get them down, I picked up a saiga 12 for 750, a cmp rated correct grade m1 garand for 1300, and a numbers matching finnish m39 for 450.
Regardless of how low you offer their starting price will stay the same, don't be a retard. Might as well try and get a better price.

>>64118992
Same, there are after market mounts that mount the same as the original, so if you can't find one for a reasonable price you can put a vortex and call it a day.

>>64097322
>any idea what i could put next to my swiss and swede rifles in that regard?
Put them together but call the Swede a Swiss and the Swiss a Swede.

>>64118832
>It's out there
Unless you're European, that shit dried out here 20 years ago since everything is shipped direct to the US

>>64119585
-first
surp dried up in Europe like 10 years ago. you get dead boomers hoarded ammo listed on auctions or collectors break with parts of their stuff, thats it. and its not (much) cheaper than modern factory ammo
-second
modern factory ammo is superior in performance and no salty primers means less cleaning. steel cases are shite, they split, they fuck up ejectors.
although, modern ammo is not that long term storable like canned 7,62x54r or double sealed gp11.
the more moist your land is, the worse.
factory ammo which is non sealed (laquer seal for primers, wax for bullet/case rim) should be fired within 10-15 years. an everglades area florida ladd once pulled the bullets on his ppu lebel from 20 yrs ago which he had stored in the shed at his makeshift garden range.
blue oxide inside every case. he became suspisious when ge had some funny groupings. or better store it dry, i dunno.

>>64119585
Anon I bought those this year. $0.78/rd shipped AFTER theft. It's still available, though they've since raised the price. https://max-arms.com/product/303-british-hxp-ammo/
Lay in a lifetime supply of Boxer-primed cases and free clips besides.

Unless your gun has bring back papers or provable provenance in a particular battle it has NO "historical value". It is not "rare" they made literally millions of them. Fuck boomers for price gouging these shitrods and fuck zoomers for falling for the "historical" meme and paying for them. I wish battlefield 1 never came out fuck this gay earth and fuck milsurp

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm trying to sell my ethiopia contract k98k but I'm finding practically zero examples of what they've sold for recently. There's all of one up on gunbroker right now, and one refurb one in completed. Should I just throw it up for auction and see what happens? I was wanting to just get rid of it quick locally, but I don't want to get too ripped off.

>>64078195 (OP)
Just won this 1943 Savage No4 Mk1* for $390, how did I do?

>>64122058
I don’t know anything about that gun but $400 for something that shoots is pretty good nowadays IMO

To the guy that wanted a French RSC a few threads ago, one is for sale on the k98k forums for $9,500
https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/wts-french-rsc-1917-wwi-semi-auto-rifle-9-500.67828/

>>64122513
Jesus Christ

>>64122513
Thats me. My starting maybe is 8k so not too far off I guess. my max would probably be 10k.
>You must be logged-in to do that.
summarize the listing i dont feel like registering just to check out a single post

>>64122674
Here's the post and the pictures mentioned
I cant send the link to the pictures so you'll have to type out the first part but here is the second part

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>>64122713
Ty anon.
From what I see not bad, but not 9.5k for the condition its in so ill pass. Solid boomer post too, with a video of him shootin it like a true boomer would. Quality stuff

>>64122058
Solid, year? Factory?

>>64120350
Did you even read what I said

>>64119779
Corrosive 7.62x39 is actually relatively easy to source but I won't do that while I still have Barnaul

what's the best online surplus store for clothing
I want some jackets & pants, preferably from a country that fought in wet + hot tropical shithole
and are those austrian field jacket on the finnish site really waterproof?

>>64123703
Yes, but I misinterpreted the direction of reference and was offended at the (mis)-perceived implication that I was European, however I now see you meant no offense so I forgive you.

I want an Italian police trade-in 92S but 95 percent of them have this shit. Is this something they HAVE to do? Can this be removed? The white paint at least?

>>64124425
>Is this something they HAVE to do?
Yes.
>Can this be removed?
Yes, the import marking can be removed as long as you do not remove the serial number (or numbers, if a new second serial number was applied by the importer).
>The white paint at least?
It's probably not white paint, but bare steel. You could use a cold blue pen to touch it up.

>>64124056
I just got an alpenflage jacket the other day from Americana Pipedream so if they have what you want in stock I’d recommend them

Gott mit uns.

Proof that Murphy truly has it out for me, I broke a Mauser 98 from dry firing it last night

>>64124756
>Americana Pipedream
I'm considering moving back to Wisconsin because I would kill to work there

>>64125563
genuinely impressive failure. I did similar to my 1904 Vergueiro Mauser

>>64125614
I feel I can use this new status
>as a man that's broken a Mauser 98...

>>64125614
What'd you end up doing for it?

>>64125624
I had my jewel laser weld the matching safety back on. it worked. and then 2 weeks later I snapped it off slowly hand closing the bolt.

it sits in the safe, I am still debating putting on a non-matching safety or having my friend booger weld it. all in all I hate the rifle regardless and will likely sell it once its back in one piece.

New bayonet acquired yesterday. Yes, the garbage was emptied soon after I took this

>>64125661
cool, how did you mount your furniture on the wall like that?

Why do my pics keep getting rotated? I'm having to manually edit them to be turned 90 degrees

>>64125673
Very carefully. I feel fortunate to score one that still has to crest for 80 dollars, scabbard included as one would expect

>>64125673
>>64125689
Also my shit keeps getting rotated and I'm actually starting to get agitated

>>64125689
>>64125700
nice, in high school my boss got me an Argie like that as a christmas present. I have 3 one, one with the brass handle and one with frog and all of the accessories

is it worth counter-boring a worn barrel? the muzzle matches the worn example on 7.62x54r.
or should I just leave it as is? it's my first gun that my dad got for me, so it's sentimental.
.t owner of a 1927 Tula Ex-Dragoon

>>64126321
Is the rifling itself worn, or is there damage near the muzzle? If the rifling is worn to the point its impacting accuracy, a counterbore isn't going to do anything. Counterboring is done to more or less remove damaged/pitted rifling near the muzzle, which is where damaged rifling would affect accuracy the most. Example, I've got a Type 24 Mauser that is counterbored, but its rifling is otherwise so worn down in the rest of the barrel that I can't reliably expect it to hit a torso sized target beyond 75 yards.

>>64125661
>>64125689
>>64125700
Nice. The adapter boss on my 1909/26 is too deformed to fit the muzzle ring.

>>64126376
predominately the muzzle, however looking down the bore seems a bit crusty, don't have a borescope to check though.
I haven't shot the thing in nearly 15 years so I guess it would be cheaper to see how it groups first.

>>64126818
That's a beautiful rifle. It's such a a nice handy little thing that I kind of want to take it deer hunting this year. 7.65 is basically perfect for deer I think.
Also just added the single wrap of copper wire (16ga. I believe it was) around the handguard and under the barrel with a few twists of the wire. My stock and handguard are inletted for it, so it does fit, and I enjoy how it looks. Does your carbine shoot well?

>>64126873
In that case, here's my recommendation for you. First give the bore a good scrub with a brass brush and some solvent. Sometimes carbon build up can look like pitting when you're only looking down it with a light instead of a borescope. Then do pic related if you haven't already. If you can still see brass and the entire bullet isn't getting swallowed to the casing like in my pic, good news is your rifling still has life left in it. If you go to the range and it groups like shit even though the bullet tip wasn't entirely swallowed by the muzzle, I'd then say try to get a counterbore done. If the muzzle swallows the entire bullet tip AND it groups like shit, it'd be more cost effective to try and re-barrel the thing at that point if you really want it to be a decent shooter.

>>64127131
Not that anon but my mosin swallows the whole bullet up to the very start of the brass, is my rifling fucked?

>>64127232
If you can still see some of the brass you're fine for at least a while, shows that when that bullet is getting pushed through the barrel when fired, it will engage the rifling. Keep in mind that some manufacturers use different bullet diameters despite the caliber being the same otherwise. Example, I've done muzzle tests with two different brands of 9x19mm. One brand had its bullet getting swallowed much deeper before stopping than the other. The "bullet tip in muzzle" thing isn't an exact science, and is more of a way to get you a general idea of whether or not normal wear to the rifling is gonna be a cause for accuracy problems you might notice. It's also a test that also can't be done on rifles that are counterbored already. If you want a truly accurate assessment how worn your rifling is you'd want a dedicated muzzle wear gauge. Unfortunately I don't think anyone makes muzzle gauges for 54R.

What are some good surp bolt actions that shoot accurately at/under 100 meters on factory irons?

Most of my rifles shoot high at reasonable ranges. My most accurate at short range bolt action is my type 53, and I love it dearly for not being a product of the
>700 METERS WILL BE THE AVERAGE RANGE OF ENGAGEMENT
Interwar retardation.

>>64127232
The great patriotic war had its consequences

>>64127232
>>64127293
>swallows the whole bullet up to the very start of the brass
Realizing I read that wrong, I'm tired and it's past midnight here. If it's swallowing it to the start of the brass/casing, yeah your rifling is pretty fucking worn regardless of ammo brand. There's a possibility it might still shoot accurately enough for you to have fun with it, but that's not gonna last for a super long time and if you're noticing accuracy problems as it is now, that'd be why.

>>64127326
I think it's almost all at the muzzle since I can see the rifling throughout the barrel except for the last few inches, does that make it a good candidate to get counter bored or is it not worth bothering
I bought it at a gun show last year for $250. The outside of the rifle is in decent condition, still has cartouches in the stock. It's a 1936 ishmash

>>64127304
Swiss K31 and Finnish M39 are gonna be the most accurate
Standard PPU is gonna be dead on with the K31, the M39 is zeroed for 150m but might shoot a bit high cause the Finn's used really heavy bullets (like 200 grain or something)

>>64127304
Swedish Mausers are jerked off a lot for their accuracy.

https://youtu.be/StQ_AcgCnag

>>64127355
>I can see the rifling throughout the barrel except for the last few inches
Do you mean there's no rifling near the muzzle? If you shine a light down the barrel from the muzzle end, is it entirely smooth before it hits a sort of "step" where the rifling starts from that point? If that's the case your rifle has already been counterbored and the bullet tip test isn't gonna do you any good, because the bullet can't even reach the rifling from the muzzle end.

>>64127131
first anon here, thanks for the help, mine looks exactly like your pic.
I'll have to wait until Sunday to get some range time though, fingers crossed.

>>64127365
My m91 1940 refurb fin is an honorable mention for accuracy. It’s zeroed for 200m but shoots only a few inches high with modern 54r.

It’s my only WW2 surp so I’m easy on it. Don’t shoot it too often.

It’s remarkably smooth for a Mosin action. The Russian imperial Arshins crossed out and corrected to meters on the sights is super neat.

A more modern fin Mosin is definitely on my list. I will look into Swiss rifles more

>>64127394
So I'm a retard and didn't get the angle right. I can still see rifling if I angle the light but it's harder to see closer to the muzzle.

>>64127418
Matched bolt? My mosins with matching bolts are exponentially smoother than the standard refurb mosins.

>>64127411
Happy to help, hope your rifle winds up shooting good on Sunday.
>>64127420
>that pitting and wear
Goddamn dude that muzzle looks like shit. Unfortunately I can't look at your rifle in person for you to make a better assessment and pictures can only tell me so much if you don't have a borescope, but if the rest of the rifling further down the barrel by a few inches is intact and not worn the hell out, yes counterbore that thing. Are you willing to sacrifice a 54R cartridge? You can pull the bullet from it and try dropping it down the barrel from the muzzle, then see how far down the barrel it stops with a cleaning rod.

>>64127386
>m/96-38 short rifle
Still can't believe these were still actively being issued to POG conscripts in the fucking 1980s, along with Husqvarna model 1907 pistols temporarily being brought back into service (the model 40s were retired due to safety concerns) before being replaced by Glocks in 1988.
The Swedish army was weird in the 80s.

>>64127451
Hah I actually have a bore scope but it's too large diameter for 30 cal, I got it for my .58 caliber musket
>Are you willing to sacrifice a 54R cartridge? You can pull the bullet from it and try dropping it down the barrel from the muzzle, then see how far down the barrel it stops with a cleaning rod.
I'm gonna give this a try tomorrow, thanks for your advice. I've hardly shot it due to extraction issues I just fixed, probably 40 rounds through since I've got it.

>>64127304
>What are some good surp bolt actions that shoot accurately at/under 100 meters on factory irons?
This is 200yd with the 200yd setting, but minimum setting is 100 and it is consistent if you use M2 ball or equivalent.

>>64127459
Hopefully it winds up just being your muzzle that looks/is fucked up man. Also if you wanna get a bore scope suitable for other guns, take a look at Teslong's offerings. They've got several ranging from $60 to $200, and the one I bought from them a couple years back has done me a lot of favors. Going to bed now, I need to unfuck my sleep schedule.

>>64127489
Actually ignore that, it’s the wrong pic. This is what I meant to post.

>>64127304
i do competitions
most rifles have good accuracy
some more, some less, some exeptional more
but shit ergonomy
for getting that accuracy out of the gun, there are 2 factors:

1. rifle in good condition in the most essentital parts (crown!, sights, rifling, stock no cracks)

2. sights are made for accuracy shooting.
goodbye arisaka, carcano, if you have shitty eyes say goodbye to m95s, k98 and all other pyramid front post/v-notch sighted rifles.

you want sightwise a peep or a u-notch with a zylindrical/rectangular front post. or good eyes.
whats left?
all the swiss
enfields no4, p17, p17
all the swedes exept m94
mosin nagant. but only finnish m39, m28, m27 or m24
norwegian k98 fly-haer-övg etc. kongsberg 30-06, these have a u-notch and rectangular front post

if you have good eyes:
long 98 mausers
most k98, but only the first 5-10 shots, then it wanders

most guns point of impact starts to wander when hot. k31, m39 are the only ones which almost do not wander known to me.
k98 are notorious fpr big shifts in point of impact when hot.
protip: you shoot your gun hot when searching for point of impact. when you found the point gun is hot... and shit accuracy is experienced.
wait for it to cool and try again.

>>64127365
>>64127386
These two posts are correct
But also the Finnish M28-30 because it has the same sights as the M39

>>64127647
>mosin nagant. but only finnish m39, m28, m27 or m24
Here in Finland the basic bitch 91-30 is also regarded as an accurate rifle, ymmv
I think much of the "is of inaccurate" posting comes from people slinging the cheapest steel case when reloads will produce good accuracy

What's the most expensive milsurp you've ever bought?

>>64127967
I paid $3250 for this in November 2019.

>>64127647
You forgot a couple.

>>64127967
Colt M16A1.

>>64128139
a3 yes stupid me forgot, a1 no-ish, sightline quite short.
the m1903 and the smle have quite a narrow front post, hard to see for the shit eyed.
no experience with ross, but i believe it.

i also forgot the berthiers, if you manage the sights they are very accurate.
and very friendly for shyte shooters eyes, since they literally have a glock sight picture.

>>64127952
absolutely agree BUTT: the standard m91/30s behave like k98 mausers when hot, wander a lot. on the other hand, the fully finned finns always stay constantly on target.
Finned triggers are superior too. way superior.

and with different riggers it shows, how much of a bitch muscle memory is.
shooting after a nice trigger (f.i. swiss) with a shit trigger (russian original nagant) is like drinking the plastic bottle cuveé after the blue bordeaux. it feels wrong and is distasteful.

>>64127962
this
>>64128480
is meant for you

>>64127967
Paid 900 dollarydoos for my SA makred M96 last year. That said I was on the hunt for Finn'd Swedish mauser for years.

>>64128480
>quite a narrow front post, hard to see for the shit eyed.
There’s a cure for that, but it was only adopted by the USMC.

>>64128843
Was the rear notch and peep enlarged to fit the thick blade?

>>64128136
Tree, get your ass back on Discord. You need to come to the fall meetup.

>>64127967
The TankGewehr cost me $17,000 after auction fees.

I've seen two go for $12k since, but I have zero regrets, im happy with mine.

>>64129033
The USMC "No.10" circular aperture was 0.1". The standard M1905 rear sight aperture was 0.05", but actually armorer's spares were supposed to be available from 0.04" to 0.1" so it could be adjusted to fit the individual soldier. I'm not sure how common the larger apertures were, but two of my M1903s came with "No.6" (0.06") circular apertures. The USMC sight set eliminated all but the 0.1" circular aperture –no more "Christmas tree"–. With the much taller front sight blade the zero for the "battle sight" is now 200yds.

What I don't know is if there was ever any official modification to enlarge the "battle sight" on the slide cap. It doesn't appear to have been modified in a period archival photo I have of the sight set. However at least one original example does have the slide cap modified in such a manner, but it might have just been done by a previous owner. Since I had a spare slide cap, I enlarged the "battle sight" aperture to 0.1" to match the circular peep. For reference, the original "battle sight" notch is 0.05" just like the standard circular peep.

Just found this 1895 Chilean Mauser locally. What do y'all think it's worth? Should I get it?

>>64129073
>>64128136
>>64127967
is milsurp the wrong hobby for me if i'm not a 6-figures earning techbro

>>64129187
If the serials are matching bore in good condition and no cleaning rod it’s worth $500.

>>64129277
Just get into Carcanos.

>>64129303
i have a carcano that shoots 3 inch groups with ppu, with a very soft recoil. the sights are a bit tricky...

do you leave your leather slings on the rifles?
i have only the old slings on the rifles
so no tannic acid after 70 years
i´ve once had green corrosion on the loops of newly made indian repros, but never on the original slings.
and i dont want to have rust on my rifles loops. most guys i know take the slings off because of that.

>>64129371
I’ve never had a repro leather sling corrode steel so I leave them on.

>>64127489
sarco sells taller mauser front sights. i got one for my 1912-61 chilean and having the rear sight on 6 puts me about 2-3 inch high at 100yd with about 3 inch group.

>>64127386
Recently got a Swedish Mauser and the circle jerk was not wrong. Great rifle and cartridge. Favorite Mauser right now is my model 1912 Chilean rifle.

>>64129277
I got into milsurp when I was dirt poor. There are always deals to be had you just need to hustle to find them.

Go make friends with old people, they likely bought their guns in the 70s for pennies and if they were successful in life then they don't care about the money and will sell you things cheap if they like you.

Also scope ALL of your local gun and pawn shops, sometimes people end up in a tight spot and sell things below market so they can pay bills.

Check or attend small auctions, and look for mislabeled lots. Study gun books and learn about rare makers/markings/variants and may just find rare stuff thats labeled vaguely or incorrectly and hit a home run.

If you're really really poor, then start scrounging up parts and build your guns from scratch. I've done this and have friends that have as well.

....or as other anon said, get into Carcanos, Vetterlis, Spanish anything or whatever is cheapest at the moment. Mosins were worthless 20 years ago but have value now because all of us (then) poorfags bought them up since its all we could afford and now theres actual interest in them and they have value.

>>64129073
How exactly do you reload for that thing? Got some 110 year old 13.2 mm TuF or do you convert from .50BMG?

>>64128575
friend of mine is trying to complete the set of anything SA marked. An SA'd Swede is still to be had. Also still hoping one day for one of those Carcanos, Luger, and even the type 30s

>>64129997
https://youtu.be/sop_Bz37vhg?si=7fl0tMcoXRuoA5zC

https://youtu.be/hYzNZQ-CRRc?si=sDQYGXKH3jokasTV

I have a few original rounds but I shoot reformed .50BMG. I have 2 videos so far showing my reloading process. Once I finish my trial and error I plan to do a third with proper 13mm projectiles for better accuracy.

Boomer today told me everything is so expensive because other boomers have so much fucking money from reselling so they'll just pay literally any price if its something they want
It all makes sense now

>>64130501
Ive seen thins. Theyre literally like a half dead vulture scavenging other dead vultures.

Buying up one dead boomers stuff, then having it for maybe a few years than dying themselves. Repeat until theyre all dead.

>>64130511
This is why you need to make friends with SOME of them if your young. If your lucky they'll put you in their will or give you stuff for dirt cheap instead of selling it to another boomer

>>64130562
Oh I have, and gotten plenty from them so im with you on that.
I'm just affirming ive seen plenty of their shenanigans too.

>>64130274
Just contact any Finnish gun store for the Carcanos, they're dime a dozen and some are happy to ship

>>64130703
Nifty. Double checked the pile. We are still in need of a Finn captured SVT, Luger, Swede Mauser, Carcano, Type 30, M40....and I think thats it.

>>64130501
I've been preaching this shit for years, but people still insist "nO, ThE MiLlEnNiAlS AnD GeN-Z FuCkeD ThE MaRkEt BeCuZ ThEy LiKe ViDyA AnD GuNtUbErRs"
With what inventory pool or vast expendable income are young people doing this? Boomers bought the majority of surp from their childhoods into their 30's in a consistently stellar economy they reaped rewards from, now they just horse trade amongst each other to keep supply bottlenecked and prices high enough to gatekeep everyone who isn't them the fuck out of the market, or at least away from any of the truly nice items.

M28/30 with post war stock. Stock is bone dry and and I think it needs some kind of oil. What's the correct oil to use?

>>64133198
"Rifle Stock Oil".
>https://www.gunboards.com/threads/observations-on-finnish-rifle-stock-oil-kiv%C3%A4%C3%A4rintukki%C3%B6ljy.226756/

Finally got to shoot the 1895 now that I fixed the tang crack

>>64130501
>Boomer today told me everything is so expensive because other boomers have so much fucking money from reselling so they'll just pay literally any price if its something they want
>It all makes sense now
Unironically this is the reason why the housing market is so fucked these days. Boomers charging out of their ass for their homes only for another boomer to come and buy it. Poetic as in boomers eating each other, that said until the last one standing drops dead.
>>64133198
>What's the correct oil to use?
Heard people use a birch tar, BLO, and Turpentine mix to give it the look. Also people using asphalt with pine tar.

>>64133946
>Boomers charging out of their ass for their homes only for another boomer to come and buy it. Poetic as in boomers eating each other, that said until the last one standing drops dead.
Reminds me of that article I saw recently where it said that there are more home buyers over 75 than there are under 35. I wonder if the surplus market will crash like the housing market eventually will.

>>64134636
we've seen glimpses of it but it never lasts. at the end of the day, all of the pre-vietnam milsurp is still relatively limited in supply and that gets smaller every year through losses and yet population and popular culture ensure that demand keeps rising. Mega collectors dying off can cause prices to dip in a for a given period, but as soon as they dry up the things shoot right back. Already seeing M41s and G41s start to climb again after they dipped last year. Lugers are creeping up again although for reasons I cant explain, Artillery lugers are still way down (so buy one now if you can).

>>64133198
Nugget stocks are usually varnished, not oil finished. For a modern finish that looks fairly similar to the original and is cheap and easy, I'd just go with clear polyurethane. The spray cans are easy and one can is more than enough to do a stock. Or you could do boiled linseed oil. I wouldn't bother with actual gun stock oil or other fancy/expensive finishes because it's a nugget.

>all this boomer hate.
Completely justified. But I also wonder...... When we become the boomers, will we be as bad?

>>64135157
Inevitably to some degree. Though I think its going to be hard to match the shear lack of self-awareness that boomers tend to have

Value for picrel including aimpoint mk3?

>>64134669
>Already seeing M41s and G41s start to climb again after they dipped last year. Lugers are creeping up again although for reasons I cant explain, Artillery lugers are still way down (so buy one now if you can).
I'm currently saving up for a Gewehr 41 that popped up locally. What kind of price should I expect to pay for a matching one in decent shape but with some extra numbers stamped in the stock?

>>64135297
3,500 for a mixmaster
6,000 to 7,000+ for a fully matching example piece

>>64135157
I feel like being scarred by the boomer menace will temper some people but it will probably just come down to folks individual personalities, which to an extent is the problem with boomers but just generally any hobby as well.

>>64135295
300

>>64135297
other anon is correct, i'd sy anything under $5k is a deal and 6-7k would be full retail

>>64133914
Nice. Does that sling mount get in your face when you're shooting? My 98k's sling does.

>>64135295
If you're in the US just browse Simpson Ltd. website for a comparable example. They've been importing tons of Swedish civilian hunting rifles for the past few years. I've seen similar 8x57mm 640s without the optic sell for $4-500 depending on the condition.

I saw an Argie carbine for $250 today and passed, did I miss a crazy deal?

>>64136151
>I saw an Argie carbine for $250 today and passed, did I miss a crazy deal?
If it was in good condition and numbers-matching, then yes.

>>64136254
I didn't check numbers, but it looked like good condition from a cursory glance. I knew I should've gotten it, but I had just had a conversation about running out of space for rifles and I chickened out

>>64136343
I ran out of space 50 rifles ago and yet I keep buying.

>>64136254
it's an Argie, it'd be rarer if it wasn't numbers matching

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