Thread 64078973

Ruglin should make 1894 cowboys (24 inch octagonal barrel) in 9mm

>>64078973 (OP)
Or 38 special

>>64078980
don't the .357 guns feed .38 special?

>>64078990
They absolutely do
>>64078973 (OP)
200%
I love their 45-70, shits all over the remshit made SBL.
>$5 AUD per bullet
Worth it, 45-70 SBL is an absolute gigglestick and I would LOVE a 9mm leverboi
>Currently saving for the .357/.38

>>64079514
9mm is significantly cheaper than .38 special in the US. pretty sure the only advantage of .38 is it might be easier to reload because it has a rim. all the 9mm lever guns are ugly as shit, including the taylors and co 1873

>>64078973 (OP)
Nobody would buy them because they're expensive and niche
>Not me tho, currently salivating at a 1866 Uberti in 44-40 for $800 I saw at a gun shop

>>64080749
>9mm
>expensive
>niche
the taylors and co guns are sold out despite being like 2 grand and ugly as shit

>>64078973 (OP)
Octagon barrels are ugly and stupid and I want them to go away.

>>64080769
GMS!!!!

>>64080761
I was referring to the gun, you'd hear poorfags complaining they can't afford a lever gun because it would probably be $1200. The boomers and cowboy action shooters will go nuts for it, me personally I think a modern 1895 Winchester in .556 would be peak
>Even better if it takes stripper clips

>>64080801
>.556

>>64079514
I have remlin 45-70 and 357, they're both good enough I don't need to update to the ruglins. Definitely recommend the 357, with cheap lead and sane primer prices I can get 5 shots for $1. People leave .38 brass on the ground all the time, not as common as 9mm but I almost always leave the range with more ammo than I brought. Think I'm up to 1200 pieces of 38 brass and 800 .357.

>>64078973 (OP)
If they do, they should also bring back the 9mm convertible Blackhawks as companions to them. And also the Old Army because of reasons.

>>64080769
I hope you get raped by a wild pack of Siggers.

>>64080828
where do you get your lead

>>64082052
from missouri bullet co, already in bullet shapes and coated with plastic jizz

>>64079846
>pretty sure the only advantage of .38
It has much higher case capacity. If you're handloading you can get a hell of a lot more power out of it, especially in a rifle-length barrel. That also comes with a disadvantage, reduced magazine capacity.

>>64079846
why would having a rim make it easier to reload?

>>64082148
Sure, but at that point you might as well be using .357 cases so you can skip that ring of carbon buildup.
Using .38s in a .357 is mainly for shooting off the shelf ammo IMO.

>>64082052
neighbor's water pipes

>>64082242
rounds that headspace off the rim have looser tolerances for things like case length or crimping or doing weird shit that would affect extraction.
Like all old rounds are rimmed because it was easier to manufacture a rimmed round with 1800s tech.
.38 is also completely straight and not tapered so you don't have to worry about tapering or shoulder angle like you do with 9mm to get the round to head space

>>64078973 (OP)
No, no more "meta caliber" shit. 9mmfags and 5.56fags can fuck off.

>>64083242
it's nothing to do with >muh meta. it's the fact ammo seek has multiple stores listing 9mm at $0.11 per round

>>64083260
Let them shoot it out of their glocks and leave leverguns out of it. It's like 9mm revolvers, shit pisses me off.

>>64083743
9mm is older than .357 and the first .357 lever gun was made in the 1970s

>>64083765
Yeah so? Where did I say anything about .357? You autofags are so quick to project.

>>64083855
you are trying to do the
>muh appeal to tradition
shit when .44 mag and .357 were never cowboy rounds and the first lever actions made in .44 mag, .357 and .45 long colt were made in the late 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
.35 rem literally has more of a claim as a legit lever gun round and it's a rimless cartridge designed for an auto loader

>9mm
literally just use .357/.38 if you're going for a lever gun, as others have said. you can get actual rifle levels of energy out of the hot .357 magnum loads too from a rifle length barrel.

>>64083895
if you gave a shit about terminal ballistics you would get a .44 mag or .30-30. 9mm is cheap as shit. fucking lever guns are only even in .357 and .45 LC because cowboy action shooters wanted cheaper plinking rounds

>>64078973 (OP)
would be based

>>64083905
.357 magnum, .44 magnum and .30-30 win. aren't really different in terminal effects out to 100 yards (the deer isn't going to notice the difference). for larger game, you'd want the .44 magnum over the other two.

.38 special gives you cheap 9mm performance, and .357 magnum from a rifle gives you close enough to .30-30 within 100 yards.

>>64084088
.>357 is the same as the rifle round .30-30
I also guarantee most people buying .357 lever guns are shooting paper or steel and not durr

>>64083242
>>64083743
>>64083855
fudds must die

>>64084088
>.357 magnum, .44 magnum and .30-30 win. aren't really different in terminal effects out to 100 yards

>>64084088
>357 magnum from a rifle gives you close enough to .30-30
jfc

>>64084337
it's like not even real fuddshit either. .38 special is only 2 years older than 9mm. 9mm is 33 years older than .357 mag. the first 1894 in .357 mag was offered in 1979. Marlin offered 336s in .35 rem, a rimless autoloader cartridge, a full 26 years before they offered an 1894 in .357

>>64078973 (OP)
I would like one of these but they're so fucking expensive that you can get one for the same price as a kitted AR

>>64086635
just get both u nerd

>>64086635
just stop being poor

>>64078973 (OP)
9mm lever guns are retarded asf. Useless.

>>64087050
>no, you can't have a fun mechanical action with cheap ammo
if anything they would be based as fuck for cuck jurisdictions that ban semi autos

>>64087082
You can have any range toy you want. 9mm is just a worthless cartidge. Makes more sense to get 357 Mag and shoot 38spl if you are poor. But than again 357 mag is cheap enough to plink with.

>>64087155
9mm is like $0.11 per round. .357 is like 3 times as expensive

>>64086635
How much is one you’d like to get?

>>64083260
What are you going to do with a 9mm levergun except plink? Just get a lever action in .22lr then.

>>64087974
most people with .357 or .45LC lever guns just use them to plink or cowboy action shoot

>>64089064
I'd only get a new lever gun in .357 because I don't hunt and I already own a .357 revolver, so I could share plinking ammo between the two.

>>64078973 (OP)
I was going to repeat some crap I had read years ago about 9x19 FMJ being pointy enough to cause detonate primers in a tube magazine, but I was apparently wrong.

Look up the Taylors TC73, they did it. It's $2000 msrp and probably not in stock, though. I'm surprised, this has flown completely under my radar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJLO95Da1Uk

>>64089178
yeah, the issue is the TC73 looks like fucking ass
>that wood
>that butt
>that 18 inch round barrel

>>64089207
>looks like fucking ass
Subjective but I don't disagree. Still, a 24" barrel might be too long for 9x19, instead of getting gains you might start slowing the bullet back down. Other than a longer mag-tube I don't see the benefit.

A side note, I have a feeling that the TC73 might be restricting the tube to 10 rounds somehow to skirt ban-state issues.

>>64089212
is there any state that bans manual actions? in NJ the ban only applies to magazines that can fit into and feed semi auto firearms. Allegedly there was some court case where a dude got off because he had a thompson drum and it was successfully argued that no semi auto gun currently in production could accept the mag

>>64089218
I can't think of any, but 10rnds of 9x19 seems too few. A .357 '73 can fit 10, and 357 is a much longer cartridge than 9mm. So why 10?

>>64089228
CASS maybe

>>64089178
Magazine tube detonation is a mostly overstated issue IMO. Some gunrag tested this with .30-30s loaded with pointy bullets, then threw the rifle around a whole bunch.
Nothing happened until they started throwing it from the top of a tree, where after a few tries they got two rounds to pop.

>>64089178
Even if it was an issue you can still buy 9mm ammo loaded with flat nose bullets, a lot of companies load their 147gr ammo with them

>>64089714
Ian got it to happen, but that was with an 1860 henry repro due to the way it loads. IDR what ammo he was using

>>64082656
oddly the 357/38 swap doesn't seem to leave a pressure-increasing carbon ring the way other long/short calibers do. It might just be the lower pressure of the .357 compared to the longer calibers, but .44 special/magnum gets the problem and has very similar pressures. 327fed/32 long definitely has carbon ring problems, so does .45lc/454 casull.

>>64091487
It's more that you haven't shot enough for the buildup to happen. It's not instant. It's years of abuse and neglect that lead to it or thousands of rounds

>>64091500
I've put 4000 of my handloads through my remlin, mostly .38 with unique pushing a 125 grain lead bullet. I see the ring in there, clean it out once in a while, but it just never causes pressure signs on the primer the way a dozen 32 longs and then a 327fed does out of a revolver. That's with the same powder and primer and bullet from the same company.

I wonder when they will make a cowboy version of the 1894

>>64078973 (OP)
why 9? why not a round like .45acp not colt, with aarp you can fire light fast rounds out of a fuckhueg barrel, or massive 45 super slugs, again with the velocity bonus of a fuck hueg barrel

>>64093104
because 9mm is cheap as shit

>>64093111
but if money is a factor, why are you wasting it on cheap toys? you wouldnt be spending it on uber 9mm anyways right?

>>64093116
I don't think people are buying 24 inch octagonal barrel lever guns for anything other than a toy

>>64078973 (OP)
They should make your dick in 9mm

>>64093104
why would you want a .45 acp lever gun?

I want a lever action and revolver in .45 ACP

>>64094316
why?

>>64094338
cuz .45 ACP is a masculine round

>>64094363
ok, boomer

>>64091441
I know that one, and it very lightly wounded him. It really does owe to the way it loads, when you're dropping centerfire cartridges down a tube like that, essentially letting them free fall from a height with their primer ends onto a hard surface, you might just impart inertia to the little anvils in the primers, and that's what happened to him.

This wasn't a problem with .44 rimfire cartridge the original rifle was designed around, and it's not something that'd realistically happen with a later Winchester style magazine.
.30-30 being a rimmed and bottlenecked cartridge, and in a fully enclosed magazine tube where there is no free falling, would make it less dangerous than with the Henry repro, as the case would be almost completely unsupported, leading to very little pressure, and any errant slivers of brass casings are gonna stay inside.

Cleaning up that kind of mess inside of your magazine though isn't gonna be fun though, and better safe than sorry, thus why people go for the polymer tips and lever guns with box mags.

>>64094316
There's a few options for .45 Auto revolvers.

>M1917 Colts and S&Ws
Stopgap sidearms to back up 1911 production around WW1. DA/SA hand ejectors which shoot .45 Auto, typically with moon and halfmoon clips, but can be shot without if you don't mind poking out the empties with a pencil or something.

>Ruger Redhawk
>Ruger Blackhawk Convertible
>Ruger Single Six
These have been available with .45 Auto options, for the Blackhawk they'd be .45 Colt revolvers which came with extra .45 Auto cylinders (there were also ones for 9mm/.38/.357, and .40/.41).

Smith & Wesson also makes some new DA/SA revolvers in 9mm and .45

>>64078973 (OP)
counter point: that exact same thing except in 10mm

>>64094748
meh

>>64094748
if you're going for a rifle length barrel, you should also go for a longer case; .41 magnum is much better than 10mm out of a rifle. there's no point in giving up the extra velocity you can get.

>>64094748
why?

>>64078973 (OP)
The reason you want a levergun in 9mm is unironically the reason it has a hard time working well in a traditional tubular magazine fed levergat: bullet setback due to cheap cartridge design. If placed in a tube mag when you fire you will drive the bullets back in their case or forward out of their case which will fuck up feeding and make a mess of loose gun powder, brass, and bullets in the action, 9mm just doesn't have the neck tension and it's why 9mm revolvers have issues with bulk ammo. You could do what the Henry long ranger does and have a different style of magazine feed but then you no longer have a traditional design.

I strongly suspect the changes regarding tax stamps and e-forms will drive an increase in suppressor ownership and we'll see more interest by companies to make commonly suppressed rounds work in a manually operated rifle platform.

>>64099000
taylor and co sell a 9mm 1873 with a tube mag
see>>64089207 and >>64089178

>>64099042
Yes they do, and it's notoriously shit for the reasons described. Just because someone sells a gun doesn't make it a good gun, the market is full of shit that jams and malfunctions.

>>64094748
In a tubular magazine 10mm doesn't gain the packaging efficiency over 45 it has in a box mag.

And because outer diameter and length are the main determinates of form stiffness in barrels, a 45 barrel will be lighter than a 10mm, for the sole reason that the 45 hole will be bigger.

In terms of packaging as many powerful cartridges as possible into a levergun, the strat is straightwall, big bore, short OAL.

>>64080769
Ad homosex, reductio ad retardum, gayspeech fallacy.

>>64099000
that's a good point, bullet setback is bad. I had a graphic showing the increasing pressures in a 38 special with wadcutters but can't find it, I think it got up to 60kpsi or maybe 75k, with the bullet squished back as far as it would go, compressing the powder. 38sp should be 17kpsi, quadrupling that could kb a gun.

found it, forgot it was setback on top of a double charge

>>64099085
you've provided no evidence it causes jams. I've provided evidence one of the top repro companies make a gun that works, you seem gay and retarded, probably yuropean too

>>64084337
Anon modern fudds are the people insisting that everything should be 9mm and 5.56

>>64100128
>describe well known phenomena
>wow no evidence
You mentioned a company makes a gun, that's it. Glock makes a gun, sig makes a gun, hipoint makes a gun, taurus makes a gun, remington made guns, cobray, usfa, etc made guns and it turns out many of them turned out a few shit guns which no longer exist. The $2K 9mm lever action jamm-o-matic is going the same way faggo.

>>64100477
>still no evidence
sure thing, gay retard

>>64078973 (OP)
They should bring back the superior 795 22lr

>>64079514
Any opinion on trapper vs SBL for 4570? I'm leaning towards the SBL for the extra few inches to bump velocity, reduce (eliminate?) fireball, and +1 cartridge, but the trapper looks real handy at an inch shorter than and M1 carbine

>>64101968
the normal 18.5" barrel is perfect, the balance is just right on the sbl. The short ones look stupid and will probably be back-heavy.

>>64078990
the shorter length of .38 special sometimes boogers up feeding but they shoot without a hitch

>>64078973 (OP)
Just use an 11.5 PSA AR fuddyduddy

>>64101968
you get an extra round in the tube with the sbl
sbl comes with a longer top rail if you want to mount a magnified optic of some kind or a long eye relief scope

>>64103236
that's the first non-wood handguard I've seen and liked on a lever gun. Stock is disgusting though.

>>64103553
true but that stock gives you a cheek riser, some length of pull spacers, and a compartment for a handful of rounds

>>64103594
if the main body was made from wood I'd like it. Back before the sanctions there was one guy in russia making these beautiful stocks for veprs, with the adjustable rising cheekpiece and a sort of halfway to svd-style hardware and cutouts. I should have saved the pictures, I can't find them anymore.

>>64082946
tempting

>>64103677
they sell kits to make your own stock like that