Thread 64079137

Why would I get one of these over a TP9, an MP5K, or even a PS90?

>>64079137 (OP)
why wouldn't you just get all of the above?
you a poorfag or something?

>>64079137 (OP)
No clue, I did the TP9. I think it shoots nicer than my buddy's apc9.

>>64079143
That is well over $10,000 of firearms. Sticker price, not including tax, ammo, and accessories.

>>64079153
More like half that.

>>64079157
in what world do you live in

>>64079144
I kinda like the angled foregrip look on these

>>64079175
It's ok to be wrong, I still support you

Vector with a silencer and frt

None of those options have any use other than fun, so why spend so much money? Just print a MAC lower and buy a cheap VMAC upper. If you wanted a serious PCC, you'd buy one of the Mean Arms guns that all the competition shooters have.

>>64079144
Apparently, the TP9 sucks because it's meant for full auto fire. The trigger and suppressor both are meant for this. So the semi-auto, civilian TP9 ends up with a terrible trigger and an overbuilt suppressor.

>>64079240
Is the recoil mitigation thing a meme?

>>64079137 (OP)
Manual of arms, weight, mounting options, etc...

>>64079278
B&T is modular as fuck though, so don't they have improved triggers?

>>64079337
>don't they have improved triggers?
Don't they?

>>64079286
Was a meme, until people started making FRTs for the Vector.
They were banking off of video game/media appearances to sell their gun, but its cultural relevance has declined over the last decade. They also haven't made any noteworthy products other than the Vector since then, so I actually think that the FRT saved Kriss as a company in the long term.

>>64079385
I'm just wondering if it's snake oil or not. Have you tested other PCCs in the same caliber as your vector to confirm that the vector actually has less recoil?

>>64079385
interesting how the smg vector never took off in professional use but the FRT somehow makes it good?

>>64079278
The trigger meant for full auto bit has to do with the TMP/SPP having a progressive trigger like the aug where little pull = semi, big pull = auto. MP9/TP9 did away with this, trigger just sucks because its a weird mechanism to fit into the gun. The giggigilitototi or however the fuck its spelled rifle works trigger is a huge improvement for the semi TP9, it doesnt work in selectfire guns though so into the trash it went.
>Overbuilt
Idk ive got a selectfire MP9 and its for sure just barely holding on. The gen 2 vented can I have is way nicer than the original fully sealed design but despite it looking chonk, its just aluminum.

>>64079240
As an FFL I need to warn you against this.
Vectors are notoriously shitty internals and you'd need to replace both the barrel and other internals to handle full auto fire rates if you don't want it to explode in your hands. They used to sell full auto conversion kits actually that included a new barrel, bolt carrier and trigger set, but for some reason they stopped (they were like $900 anyways).

>>64080492
They have a lot of polymer shit they cheaped out on and the proprietary mitigation thing is honestly a meme, so they were super unreliable. Lots of them grenaded in people's hands so no legitimate enterprise wanted to use them in any kind of real world load out. They're kinda fun though, the FFL community is always finding ways to convert them to full auto because it's notoriously difficult without the factory kit or original select fire.

>>64079365
The TP9 Pro supposedly has a better trigger.

>>64079137 (OP)
Absolute over-built durability. That's the only reason.

>>64079137 (OP)
Is one worth the extra 2 stribogs i could get instead?

>>64079137 (OP)
Well, just look at it—you'd get it over those other guns because you care more about being able to easily attach all your shit to it than about A E S T H E T I C S

>>64079137 (OP)
I wouldn't because it's a straight blowback design without the innovative magazine of the P90.

I'd get an MP5K, PS90, or SP9A3S instead.

>>64079137 (OP)
>9mm
>straight mag
What is the point of building an ultra-reliable cycling mechanism, and then needlessly feeding a tapered cartridge through a straight magazine body? What purpose does all the extra friction serve? I get why mags need to be straight in Uzi's, TP9's and all similarly-configured 9MMs, but it's not necessary on a PDW with a dedicated magwell.

Anyway OP, just get a Stribog sp9a3s and watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Yg2ZAHtPU

>>64079143
Show us your gun collection with a timestamp then, poorfag noguns

>>64081801
oops, wrong video, more recent one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXoN3GNYd7g

>>64079278
>TP9
It sucks because its 3000 fucking dollars
I can get this for 2000

Whats with the random vector slander in this thread? I have never heard of a vector just exploding, nor have I heard of them needing new internals from full-auto fire. I have a vector in 45 and it has literally never had any issues with reliability

>>64082596
Auto vectors tend to grenade all the time, its a big issue for rental ranges.
The semi ones dont get shot enough because they suck.

>>64082618
Shut up you fat fucking LARPer

The only incident I can find of that ever happening is 2 FA vectors blowing up at a range due to bad ammo. There have been a couple out of battery discharges, but that was limited to gen 1 vectors. There’s literally no evidence to suggest that anything you’re saying is true

>>64081810
lmao, strike a nerve?
you ask for guns, yet post none yourself, all while not even attempting to argue against being a poorfag
next time you want a timestamp, give one yourself

>>64079137 (OP)
You wouldn’t, because an MP5 clone or PS90 can actually be made F/A, which is the only point to buying a PCC.

>>64083209
>which is the only point to buying a PCC
Despite popular belief a correctly-engineered 9mm PDW is more maneuverable, controllable, and suppressible than a 223 or 300bo SBR.

Even supersonic 124gr or 115gr indoors won't fuck your ears up like 77gr from a 7.5" barrel will. Whole different league.

>>64079137 (OP)
>Buying a PCC over 1k
Please reconsider this anon, it is a fruitless venture
t.fell for the meme

>>64079365
There's only 1 aftermarket trigger for the TP9, a GHM9C may be the better option

>>64079385
It's still a meme, I know the popular stance here is that the recoil mitigation "only works in FA so in Semi it's just retarded," but it also doesn't really work in FA either. Congrats, instead of the recoil bouncing back into your shoulder, it's bouncing down into your hands. Super letdown after playing so many games that had it growing up.

Doesn't matter if it's a cucked civvie version or a real-deal post-sample, the Vector should really only appeal to you if you're chasing that early 2010s FPS vibe from your childhood.

>>64079385
>They were banking off of video game/media appearances to sell their gun, but its cultural relevance has declined over the last decade
it's kinda weird how it was in fucking everything for like 7 years then as soon as 2015 or thereabouts rolled around it just stopped showing up in media

>>64079137 (OP)
>Redpill me on the APC9K
>Why would I get one of these over a TP9, an MP5K, or even a PS90?
Just get a Ruger PC carbine instead, does the same thing for half the price.

>>64079186
is there an FRT for these?

>>64083209
Hot take: straight blowback PCCs are fantastic for training recoil management at your local indoor range since they generally kick like a 7.62×39 gas gun while only costing ~24 cpr

>>64083608
>stopped showing up in media
They literally put the vector in the new Alien movie. What are you talking about?

>>64083016
Vectors be cracking dawg
Vectors be failing catostrophically right at the top above the magazine in auto
Good news, it doesnt effect you ever because you have no machine guns
>>64083209
This tbqh
Get a TP9 for having a tiny gun or get an MP5 for having a cool gun. Mid size blowback PCCs are dumb.

>>64085190
You still have posted literally no evidence to support your claims. If it’s happening so often, why is there only 1 report (ammo related) of full auto vectors exploding since 2009 when it released?

I guarantee that I have shot more machine guns than you. On top of that I have multiple super safe weapons. Go back to your circle jerk safe space in /arg/

>>64085351
Go to any rental range and ask their experience with them. There is a reason they are less and less common each day.
>Why so few failures posted on internet
Because nobody who owns a vector shoots them enough for them to fail.
>I guarantee that I have shot more machine guns than you
Nah
>Multiple super safe weapons
Whoa watch out guys

>>64083912
This but the charger with a can, it's still a takedown so you can get it significantly shorter than any other PCC with a can attached

>>64083608
It was in PUBG

>>64079169
He lives in the sunk cost where everything cost half of what it actually does, he's always beating the casino, and he prefers Ramen to steak.

>>64079137 (OP)
Looks like a modern mp5. The real question is why wont HK upgrade and modernize the MP5?

price.
I own a ptr9 and spent like 750 dollars on magazines just so I don't have to reload at the range.

>>64090583
I would wager that they aren't updating the MP5 because the only people buying short guns using pistol rounds are civilians, and they're dumb as shit, so they'll buy old, outmoded stuff they saw in videogames and movies for a markup.

>>64090583
>>64091210
Is the mp5 broken? Does it not work anymore?