Thread 64079927

Was Black Ops 2 an actual documentary?

>>64079927 (OP)
The funny thing is rare earths aren't rare at all and can be mined pretty much everywhere. The issue is China has been doing it without OSHA or EPA so the free market can't compete in countries that don't want lakes of acid seeping into ground water.
The solution is to realize the free market isn't ideal in every situation and have government owned plants that use acid tanks instead of acid lakes. Yes it'll cost more but it's an important capability worth the cost.

>>64079927 (OP)
China doesn't have a monopoly on rare earth minerals, they just pretend they do.
We've gotten them from every other country and we even make enough gallium from open pit mining in Alaska to meet our immediate needs.
The Chinese are only the cheaper option.

>>64079927 (OP)
i hate the moron who created the sentence "rare earth"
"rare minerals" was apparemtly too old school

>>64079975
"Rare earth" is shorthand for "rare earth elements". "Rare mineral elements" wouldn't make sense.

>>64079952
Well, they're kind of rare, but between the USA, Canada, and Australia, there are massive reserves of pretty much everything we need. It's more expensive though and those are not renewable, so we take advantage of chinks selling off their reserves for pennies

>>64080020
>so we take advantage of chinks
Until the Chinks apply some pressure and next thing the PM of Taiwan is banned from visiting NYC at the request of China.
Better to mine it ourselves and make a real effort to recycle than lose defence independence.

>>64080028
It's just political theater. We appease the Chinese from time to time to get what we want.
Strategic ambiguity and all that. The One China principle is something we agree to, but they think it means we support their claim to Taiwan, when in reality we support Taiwan's claim over the mainland.

>>64080020
The extraction and refinement is the hard part, and barely anyone even studies or specialises on this sector in the west.

>>64080063
We have plenty of industry capable of handling this, and if China wants to be stupid that industry will flourish again.
China thinks they can stranglehold the most technologically advanced nation on earth and it's allies.
We'll have 100% indigenous manufacturing for AESA and GaN in no time at all.

>>64080073
With what contractors and workers? Will EPA be fine with the extraction and refinement work?

>>64080081
The biggest mine we have is in Alaska, and we export the refining work to Canada.

>>64079952
Why not let China get all the environmental destruction while we get cheap materials?

>>64080073
>that industry will flourish again
Not now that Trump TACO'd out. He should've taken the short-term pain for long-term mineral gain. Now we'll never wean ourselves off chink rocks.

>>64080124
We don't need China, and if China won't sell them cheap then domestic industry gets a substantial bump or we can pull a CIA and acquire them from another China-friendly country like Russia under the table. Russia loves American money.

>>64080149
>We don't need China
Then why did we fold?

>>64080152
what do you mean 'fold' you mean trumps retarded 300% tariff shit? thats HIS dumb idea not the country's.

>>64080152
We're just appeasing the Chinese. They love getting their little egos stroked and they'll give us strategic minerals in return.

>>64080161
>>64080163
I don't get it, why are we trading with them in the first place? Why not put 500% tariffs on their minerals and mine our own? Why are we "appeasing" at all?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

>>64079952
>>64079974
>>64079975
This "rare earths aren't rare" is also very misleading
>The high grade rare earth ores are extremely low concentration, just ~5-8%. For comparison, super low grade titanium ore is ~30% titanium oxide (while best is 95%).
>Upfront you need to extract 10-50 times the material to get the same amount of element. And the low concentration increases cost of refinement exponentially, not linearly.
>Super low grade rare earth ore, <1% concentration, is very common. Commercial grade is very rare
>US/NATO countries own a small percent of commercial grade reserves, ~6%. China owns 34%, twice as much as the next highest which is Russia/Vietnam.
>The industrial base and tooling from refinement to fashioning these elements into specialized devices is also in China.

So no, the idea meme articles online give you as if you're walking on thick grains of neodymium is false.

>>64080185
>I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

because you're a moron. mining is incredibly expensive, barely anyone WANTS to be a miner and its awful for the environment. why spend money to extract our resources when we can just but them from another country for cheaper? its a win-win because we still OWN all the resources under our soil.

>>64080185
because their reserves are much cheaper to mine/buy than do it yourself, capitalism baby

>>64080214
>>64080220
Am I talking to literal chinkbots or just actual retards? Why the fuck wouldn't we want to be self-sufficient?

>>64079952
>OSHA or EPA
>from the country burning PVC and feces during war, coal without good filters and using 1960s boilers
lel

>>64080227
>IF YOU AREN'T A TRVE AMELICAN YOU WILL DEMAND WE BECOME ISOLATIONIST!

so tired of this talking point.

>>64080227
>>64080185
Because the SV tech bros have vastly overstated how easy it is so they can get hundreds of billions in government gibs. In reality
>Rare earths are not rare *in total*. They are incredibly rare in the ores you mine, in single digit percentages
>If you have a 1% ore vs a 10% ore you have to mine 10x for the same amount, and 50x to refine it.
>The US has something like 4% of total commercially viable ore reserves

And that's just extraction/refinement. If you don't set up the entire industrial base to manufacture that into magnets, catalytic converters, electronics, etc you're just going to end up exporting it to China

>>64079952
Rare earths aren't rare the same way the oceans contain many times more gold than humans mined throughout history. The raw material it's in isn't rare.

>>64080073
We literally do not have it. You mean production can be ramped up if you pour hundreds of billions into it. And it'll never be competitive because China piggybacks on supplying the world with it. You'd end up with a situation with American shipbuilding. Miniscule output 99% for defense, at an order of magnitude more cost.

>>64080273
We do have it. Our allies have it too. Where do you think we got everything from before China came along and offered it at 1/10th the cost?
Chinese industry steps in and undercuts foreign ones so they can be the sole supplier once foreign manufacturing shuts down, but we've been wise to that for years now and we know how they operate.
Starting production back up isn't this esoteric process where we have to import Chinese people, we already have companies who literally just stopped making it because it wasn't profitable anymore.
America has control of some of the largest strategic reserves of rare earth minerals in the world and so does Brazil, Canada, Australia, etc.
The Red Dog mine in Alaska is the world's largest zinc mine and it makes plenty of Germanium as a byproduct of zinc production.

>>64080227
Compare the Rafale to the F35 if you want to understand the price of self-sufficiency. It is a price that most aren't willing to accept, which is why we are still trading with a nation that we could easily be at war with in a few years.

>>64080273
China still has to rely on the USA for Spruce Pine quartz, and if we cut that off their entire silicon manufacturing industry will be brought to its knees. The only alternative costs about 10x more.

>>64079952
ahaha you have no idea about real rare earths! Gayrapean "rare" earths are as rare as blood clots after your vaccines.

>>64080152
I saw this a few days ago. If he's a Russian puppet and doesn't have the balls to go through with the China tariffs, then what was the point? Tax me and my allies and see how it goes?

>>64080614
We *had* it, much less advanced and smaller because it was from decades ago. Some of it is due to subsidies, but most of it is just how the free market and comparative advantage works. At a high level, the highest value thing a Chinese worker could do is make magnets, while the American worker could be an accountant or lawyer or ski instructor. And that's the joke, right? People shilling for manufacturing as if it's a good thing don't want them or their kids to work there. It's both more physically demanding and lower value. If the Chinese worker could be an accountant he'd do so in a heartbeat.

America can, but it's a question about economics and rationality. It's a low value job. This trickles down in that the market price for it is far lower than the capital expenditure+costs to do it in America. So the government (which does not operate on market principles) has to step in by giving subsidies/setting up barriers/legal regulations. By the very principles of how markets work, this means you have to pay a higher price.

>>64080639
Yes, but the effects are much, much smaller. Quartz is used much less by mass, synthetic high quality quartz is more expensive but not by that much. And because it's only a single item for a specific use, the entire end to end system for production probably requires several orders of magnitude less capex.

>>64080628
This. Scale and efficiency are what enables the military industrial base. Shipbuilding is an example. South Korea is about 2.5 times more efficient per ton in shipbuilding. China is about 5. It doesn't mean it's possible, it means if your budget is fixed, you have 5 times less ships.

>>64080073
>We have plenty of industry capable of handling this
Like what lol? You don't even have a proper rare earth processing engineering program

>>64080205
The tech bros also have no idea how long it take to set up factories and train personnel. They are just grifters who don't know how industry works

>>64080227
Autarky is a meme

>>64080726
China values ships 5x more than we value ships.
Ships are useful, but amassing warships doesn't win you a naval war when your enemy has the most powerful means to defeat ships in the world, and you're using second/third rate CIWS.

>>64080716
China just stopped buying American 5N quartz because they think their 4N5 quartz can be just as good, but 4N5 quartz is just good for solar panels and other very low quality manufacturing. If you want to make silicon for semiconductors 5N quartz is irreplaceable.
America is the world's sole supplier of 5N quartz from the ground. If China wants to make their 4N5 shit work it's going to need to be refined which is about 10x the cost of just buying it from us.

>>64080764
I think you mean the value of ships to China is 5x less. If China valued ships 5x more it would mean they can do 5x more with it.

It's pretty damned important. Even if you have incredible weapons, China can keep replacing ships. To give you a sense of the absolute enormous scale of Chinese shipbuilding - China in peacetime builds more tonnage in a year than the whole of the US did in world war 2. Just in terms of tonnage, if you sink the entire Chinese navy today in a month, you actually haven't reduced their naval capacity because they can put out as much over that period. Why do you think the US Navy won WW2 by such a large margin? Sure towards the end the ships were somewhat better than Axis ships. But having ten times more of them sure as hell helped.

>>64080780
Yes, but the difference between quartz and rare earths is it's a much single technological problem, not a problem of large scale economics. For example the Chinese government could trivially subsidize the extra cost to refine it, which would also create enormous incentive to bring the cost down. China also has no end of demand for it. Chips is also a very very high margin, high value business. So you don't actually make a loss if a specific input goes up even 10x in cost. But if you're talking about low value economic activity like mining and general manufacturing, the more you try to scale that the more it costs. Because you're fighting the free market at a systemic level.

>>64080834
China can't, because in wartime they're cut off from Australia and Brazil.Russia doesn't have the infrastructure to supply China with iron. China also can't produce oil in wartime, so ships shouldn't be valued nearly as highly by the Chinese. It's almost inevitable that a land war will happen in China if war ever breaks out, and that the USA will continue essentially unmolested.
So, China can build as many ships as it wants but when a barrage of $3mm missiles can disable/destroy a $900mm warship and the focus of the war is attrition, China's already on the back foot.

>>64079927 (OP)
>SWAT 556 with select fire
Pick 10 > Gunsmith

>>64080121
Because acknowledging that's what the exchange is would hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.

>>64080881
China is in the top five countries in oil and iron ore production. Russia has enormous reserves too. It obviously hurts more and less important parts of the economy can't have oil and steel, but is really really far from being lethal to China in any way. And what land war? It is very difficult to invade China. No army is crossing the Himalayas from India. You're not invading it from Siberia. The south east Asian jungles, maybe, if you want to crawl through that. You can only realistically invade it amphibiously.

Yes but the cost becomes much less important as absolute capacity in wartime. I'm not going to use the current shipbuilding ratio of 200:1 because that would change, but it's likely that China will outproduce the US 10:1 easily. So if China sinks a tenth of the tonnage you do (because China will sink your ships too), you are equal.

>>64080248
Only, we *had* all that; we used to mine and refine them domestically. The EPA deliberately ran the industry out of the country by imposing increasingly-inane regulations on it. Heck, there was a case some years back where a company wanted to process the mine tailings of other companies to hunt for rare earths; the EPA tied them down in red tape until they gave up. There would be a cost to bringing domestic rare earth back online, yes, but it would be possible.

>>64080063
Have you seen how they do it in China?

>>64080915
>China is in the top five countries in oil and iron ore production.
They import >80% of it.
>Russia has enormous reserves too.
Good luck getting them out of the ground, lol.
>but it's likely that China will outproduce the US 10:1 easily
It's likely china won't produce a single ship after US starts slinging cruise missiles at their docks.

>>64080834
>China in peacetime builds more tonnage in a year than the whole of the US did in world war 2
What good are empty barges and fishing boats against warships? china won't match US navy in 20 years at current rate.

>>64080185
>Why are we exploiting China's horrific labor practices and willingness to poison themselves and their children for pennies?
It's a mystery, my totally fellow American.

>>64079952
Rare earths aren't rare in the sense that there's not a lot of them, they're rare in the sense that they're very evenly distributed and there aren't many deposits concentrated enough to be worth extracting. But yes, China's lack of ecological regulation means that they can tear up enormous tracts of land to refine a comparatively small amount of material.

>>64080185
Because in 20 or 30 years, we'll still have our reserves, a healthy environment to live in, and the chinks will have neither because they sold them all for pennies by destroying their countryside.

>>64080834
>Just in terms of tonnage, if you sink the entire Chinese navy today in a month, you actually haven't reduced their naval capacity because they can put out as much over that period.
Now do trained crews and fire control systems.

>>64079952
>The funny thing is rare earths aren't rare at all and can be mined pretty much everywhere
Wrong its the conectration level that matters.
Only Australia, Canada, the United States and Greenland have reserves. So a deposit on the scale of the one discovered in Norway (around 8.8 million tonnes of rare earths, or 1.5 million tonnes of rare earth-based permanent magnets used in electric vehicles and wind turbines) represents a major mining asset for Europe.11 Jun 2024

>>64080235
So true, comrade.

>>64080915
I'm gonna clue you in on what happens in wartime. After the US Navy closes off the Strait of Malacca, oil production depots and China's strategic oil reserves become key targets.
The US knows where most of China's strategic assets are, and the Chinese don't have a technology to match it. China has fifth columnists which are really easy to round up and imprison.
So, we've painted China's missile storage depots, china's oil refineries, and power production facilities. We know where they make arms and ammunition, rockets, ICBMs, aircraft, and military vehicles. We also have a pretty good idea of where they're going to strategically hide their TELAR in wartime
China's surface combatants are worthless in war.
The US Air force and partner countries fly aircraft that hunt and kill submarines. We know where China keeps their J-10Cs, their J-16s, their J-20s, we know where their military shipyards are, and unlike the USN, all of their ships are diesel.
Their submarines are loud.
China's going to lose the ability to produce, import, and even feed its own people.
When you have 1.5 billion mouths to feed, nobody has power, or even running water morale plummets. It'll be like the COVID lockdowns again, and Chinese people really loved those.
Industry will shut down, mass unemployment and starvation, and general chaos. China's going to need half of the PLA just to contain its citizens.

>>64081169
You stopped juuuust short of the decisive tang victory that would be an inevitability.

>>64080227
very little reason to be self sufficient currently, chink/zigger arent gonna invade NATO homelands so might aswell piggy back off their cheap resources then mine yours later when they run out and become dependent on you or those resources get cut off such as war

>>64081178
There will be cannibalism.

The west can't into industry so they offshored it to Chinese who can't into agriculture. Anyone with money in China imports food too due to how nightmarishly unregulated China's food supplies are. In WW3 Americans will not be able to afford new cars and Chinese will starve.

>>64080728
>grifters
Opinion discarded

>>64081188
The USA's manufacturing capabilities have increased by over 40% in the last 25 years.
People seem to think China took all of our manufacturing with it, not a chance.

>>64080227
Conventional economic theory falls apart under real world conditions, but the world is run zealous believers in it.

>>64081169
Bruh, you don't need to go that far. China is dependent on imported food. Once you stop trade going in, they'll get a famine faster than a commie can say "that wasn't real communism"

>>64081201
You only can go up if you gutted the industry 40 years prior. Its going to take years to convince US companies that they can't cheap out on labor.

>>64081194
He's kinda right. A ton of tech bro executives are delusional about real world offline economy. A world where you can't infinitely duplicates copies for resale, a world where you can't cltr-z your fuck ups, a world where you can't click some buttons and get 100K additional software devs from India working tomorrow on your project. US spent decades losing local production capabilities due to offshoring manufacturing and outsourcing shit. What's worse is that you've also lost the know-how and people who know how shit works, the professional work force which can make things reliably and fast.

>>64081245
You can always punish them with tariffs and tax penalties, while offering subsidies to companies that do set up production in the US to speed up the process.

>>64081251
Or war

>>64081245
It's not about cheeping out on labor, it's about retarded laws, taxes, regulations and a cascade domino effect where you don't even bother to build shit locally because you can't hire people, can't get local suppliers and so on.

>>64081250
>we have to train people
Oh no, the horror! Companies might even have to invest in retention and earn back workers' trust!

>>64080205
Largest known deposits of rare Earths are in Wyoming
We don't mine because it creates thorium as a byproduct because EPA
thorium is easily contained under 2 ft of clay

>>64080235
>during war
>1960s
peculiar examples anon

>>64081245
Nothing was gutted, America invests heavily in automation so even if we have fewer workers in our factories compared to 75 years ago, 160 steel workers can make the same amount of steel we used to need 5,000+ steel workers in 3 shifts to make.

>>64081284
But the shareholders! Wont someone think about the poor shareholders :(

>>64080948
>china won't match US navy in 20 years at current rate.
At the current rate, America won't even have a operable navy. That's not my assessment, that's the USN's own assessment.

>>64081181
>might aswell piggy back off their cheap resources then mine yours later when they run out and become dependent on you or those resources get cut off such as war
I'd like to see the numbers backing up this plan. Waiting until the other side "runs out of resources" before you start mining your own sounds retarded as hell.

>>64081457
Lmao, sure thing turdie.

>>64081457
Was the US Navy begging congress for money? Because that sounds like something they'd say for money. LMAO.

>>64081485
>>64081496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOHKog66DaA

>more ships getting retired without replacement
>billions spent trying to maintain surface combatants that should've been scrapped years if not decades ago
>overall industry suffering both chronic manpower and funding shortfalls
>navy projected to only shrink, not expand, despite executive orders to do counter this
>only three Tico cruisers still in operation across the entire fleet
>half the carrier fleet either in RCOH or deep maintenance (basically out of order with no shot at being mobilized even in a crunch emergency)
>this is why CSG assets had to be diverted from the Pacific to Gulf during the Israel-Iran crisis
>Constellation-class now on the chopping block since there's no money left

But I'm sure the armchair admirals of /k/ know better, thank fuck.

>>64081526
>youtube literally who video
implessive

>>64081550
>Sal Mercogliano
>literally who

https://www.usni.org/people/salvatore-r-mercogliano

Who are you again?

>>64081526
I guess we'll have to start telling real estate developers to get fucked. No more flipping old facilities like the Brooklyn or Alameda Navy Yard for billions. Fuck, they might even have to compromise on home and rent prices to allow for lower labor costs for everyone else.

>>64081550
>Dr. Salvatore R. Mercogliano is an associate professor of history at Campbell University in North Carolina and adjunct professor at the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy. He holds a bachelor of science in marine transportation from the State University of New York Maritime College, along with a merchant marine deck officer license (unlimited tonnage 2nd mate), a master’s in maritime history and nautical archaeology from East Carolina University, and a Ph.D. in military and naval history from the University of Alabama.
Hope that helps, newfaggot.

>>64081526
>a literal cope essay

>>64081574
>a singular man disagrees with USN planning
The West... its fallen and it cant get up.

>>64081576
>>64081582
>absolute state of dis/k/ourse
kek

>>64081582
>>a singular man

He's literally saying what everyone in the industry has been saying for years now.

>>64081592
Anon...
>billions spent trying to maintain surface combatants that should've been scrapped years if not decades ago
>navy projected to only shrink, not expand, despite executive orders to do counter this
>more ships getting retired without replacement
>only three Tico cruisers still in operation across the entire fleet
Shitposts like yours get shitposts in response.


>>64081594
>everyone
Huge if true. Link?

>>64081574
>not a navy official
so where's USN's assessment again? you talked so big about that, brownoid so surely you have it instead of some random university rat making videos on youtube?

>>64081613
>resorts to copeposting and denial
Bold play cotton. Let's see your evidence for everything being hunky dorry.

>>64081616
>university rat
jews like you should be banned from the internet

>>64081613
>>64081616
You seem awful confident. Post your proof for the USN being better than ever. I'll wait.

>>64081592
Here's a hot take. I don't respect senior maritime industry acolytes, because they can't even figure out how to compete for labor with mcdick's.

>>64081637
>no assessment
i accept you concession, bugmen in shambles, the sun never sets over the western empire.

>>64081647
Awfully confident that you're shitposting in bad faith? Yes. 100%.

>>64081647
You seem to lack the understanding of basic English. How about you take a few courses in the next building over from your shill center? You won't be missed.

>>64081652
>>64081658
>>64081668
Still waiting for that proof. You're not going to squirm out of this one.

>>64081671
>take me seriously! Please effort post in response to my mindless bait

>>64081668
I think I'll stay right here and see your counterargument. You do have one, don't you?

>>64081683
Let the record show random anon with no credentials has zero proof and no arguments.

It is so recorded.

>>64081688
Counterargument to what, exactly? Your lack of any evidence to your claims?

>>64081703
Your only attempt at an argument >>64081526
was self-defeating. No argument is required.

>>64081671
>Says the shitskin who was boasting about USN assessments 10 posts ago
Post some other turdie youtube video, that'll show us for real this time.

>>64081714
You said the video was total bullshit but you can't provide any evidence or even point to anything in it that you disagreed with?

>>64081526
Now imagine if we had a fleet the size of the one China thinks they need.
How effective do you think a literal amateur navy is going to be directing a fleet of ships that large?
How effective will their maintenance scheduling be?
How about the cost and logistical nightmares involved?

>>64081723
>>64081724
>us
It's really just you, isn't it? You're the one claiming a White American professor at naval war college is a "turdie shitskin," but why? What's your angle?

>>64081725
You dealt with it in your post here >>64081526
you're just too stupid to realize it.
>maintenance problems
>lots of old ships
>HOMG WHY ARE WE RETIRING SHIPS!?!?!

Tico's are being phased out. Surging a CSG into the Gulf is so fucking normal. Having 50% of your fleet in maintenance is, again, pretty normal.

>>64081725
>You said the video was total bullshit
You said you have the navy's assessment, where is it? I already said that some university rat's video is meaningless to me.

>>64081738
Yes, you've irritated multiple people. No, you (not the prof) are a turdie. Further, one Prof having one opinion < the entire Pentagon and Senate.

>>64081738
>White American professor at naval war college is a "turdie shitskin,"
I'm claiming you are. Some retired kike is a nobody that you are obsessed with because you have nothing else to shill with.

>>64081739
>Tico's are being phased out.
And replaced with what? More Burkes. Which you will of course claim are perfectly suitable for the job even though those are also behind schedule. Reports due at 90, 180 and 210 have produced exactly fuck all. Constellations are also now due for 2029 at the earliest - 3 years behind schedule - and may never make it off the drawing board. I'm sure that's all normal.

>>64081749
>>64081751
I don't know why you claim to be more than one anon. Is it because you know you have zero support otherwise? Does it make you feel less lonely? Is this how you've always operated?

>>64081774
>Which you will of course claim are perfectly suitable for the job
The whole reason for keeping ticos around is their command facilities, which the new burkes also have, so yes.

>>64081751
>Some retired kike
Who are you? You seem real quick to discredit someone else but who are you?

>>64081774
>And replaced with what? More Burkes.
Yes.
>Which you will of course claim are perfectly suitable for the job
Yes.
>though those are also behind schedule.
HUGE if true. Link?

>>64081787
Anything else to cope with? A couple more youtube videos as a distraction, perhaps?

>>64081798
Post outlet and hand, chang.
>I know you have no guns.

>>64081798
I am the current ruling president of the United States of America. Your pathetic clutches to the non-esitent authority of some obese rat mean nothing to me.

>>64081799
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/gao-flight-iii-ddgs-could-deliver-six-25-months-late

Enterprise is also running behind schedule.

>>64081806
>>64081808
Post your hand ranjeet.

>>64081816
I'm literally God, I outrank you. And also you're going to hell unless you apologize to me right now.

>>64081819
>Post your hand ranjeet.
And here we go. As soon as the request is made, you deflect.
>no u post

Gotcha, chang.

>>64080073
>China thinks they can stranglehold the most technologically advanced nation on earth
at this point that is china anyway
the jays tossed this country down the gutter

>>64081808
Nah, that's not a chang, that's some other global southerner hoping chang will save them from irrelevancy in the shadow of the white man instead.

>>64081825
Why didn't you post your hand?

>>64081825
He has a point, you should've posted your hand first.

>>64081821
You didn't know this but US have already killed God as part of their antichrist project. Omae wa mo shindeiru.

>>64081832
>>64081836
lmao, every single time.
>post hand
>no u no u no u

>>64079952
True, lets turn appalachia into a strip mine so we can invade iran for israel

>>64081829
>that's not a chang
Only a chang would say this, chang.

>>64081841
Still waiting on that hand, chang.

>>64081841
He's right, post your hand.

>>64081841
I think you need to post your hand, getting kind of sus now.

>>64080093
>The biggest mine we have is in Alaska, and we export the refining work to Canada.
I'll believe it when I see it.

>>64081851
>>64081850
>>64081847
I asked first >>64081808

Weird how now the obligation is somehow on me.

>>64081840
>but US have already killed God as part of their antichrist project
Clearly not since I'm still here.

>>64081858
That's how it's always been, the accuser posts their hand first to prove they're not projecting. Strange you never knew this...

>>64081819
If it's such a an issue, why can't they improve pay, benefits, and conditions?

>>64081866
I know you're not going to post hands dude.

>>64081861
Weird you haven't posted your hand yet.

>>64081866
Why are you replying to me now?

>>64081875
Meant >>64081861
(Obviously)

>>64081873
Why do I have to post hands? I'm not he one being accused of being a chang.

>>64081843
A chang would've blown his gasket already, this persisten passive aggressive shilling always comes from failed shitholes mad at US. They've been shilling for russia but since it has finally killed itself against Ukraine they've pivoted to china now.

>>64081882
>A chang would've blown his gasket already
Oh he has, just ask to post hand and thats it they go off message.

>>64081872
I'm God, you're going to hell if you don't post your hand.

>>64079974
You are fucking retard and you don't know it which is even worse. China has 100% monopoly on rare earth because even if you mine it, you have to send it to China to extract it.

>>64081882
>>64081886
Why would you claim someone isn't a chang? Only a change would try to misdirect like that.

>>64081894
Market is adjusting kiddo. Its not going to happen over night but everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - is acutely aware of the pressure point and is spending money to unfuck the situation. Like everything, China is operating on a timer.

>>64081894
>he said the line again
implessive

>>64081905
>Its not going to happen over night
Or even in our lifetimes.

>>64081901
>Why would you claim someone isn't a chang?
I didnt.

>>64081905
>China is operating on a timer
Could you be more precise than that? Preferable in terms of weeks if possible.

>>64081908
>Or even in our lifetimes.
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

>Several new rare earth mineral refining facilities are emerging in the US to reduce reliance on China and bolster domestic supply chains. These include a facility in Massachusetts by Phoenix Tailings, a facility in Alexandria, Louisiana by Ucore, and a facility at the Mountain Pass mine in California by MP Materials. Additionally, Ramaco Resources is developing a mine in Wyoming that will also include refining capabilities.

>>64081886
If you're not seeing walls of wikipedia transcripts about rape, screeching about Japanese, Koreans or Mongolians, tirades about Taiwan and so on this isn't it.

>>64081914
>I didnt.

>>64081829
>Nah, that's not a chang

>>64081917
>Could you be more precise than that?
No

>>64081922
What's the ETA on them? And not just the mines but the refineries and processing facilities.

>>64081927
Yes. That second post is not me.

>>64081945
>disowning your own post
Interesting gambit, one might even call it... a queen's gambit.

>>64081939
>What's the ETA on them?
Seems like something you should look up. Fact of the matter is: Chinas time is running out. Chang.

Btw, why havent you posted hands yet?

>>64081956
>Btw, why havent you posted hands yet?
You never asked for it.

Chang.

>>64081954
>4chan is one person.

>>64081957
>no ur chang
So fucking tiresome.

>>64081961
I'm the one true God and you are all my children. Now prostrate yourself.

>>64081970
>chang deflecting

Also, check out this cute little neighborhood. It's got handsome little houses that are still big enough for a family. There's funky shops, parks, an elementary school for your kids, everything you need within walking distance for when you're not on the job. Guess what? It was built by the federal government to house workers at Newport News Shipyard during the building boom following US entry into the First World War. Plenty of residents there have been shipyard workers, even to this day. Should there be any need to surge production in shipyards and insufficient workers to fulfill this, perhaps a nice quaint, affordable community with all of the amenities someone looking to settle down long term for workers might make employment at a shipyard more appealing.

>>64081977
I argued that Chinas domination over REM is coming to an end because the US is investing heavily on developing their own refining and that makes me Chinese?

>>64081981
Crud

>>64081917
He will pull some numbers out of his smelly ass. Nobody really gives a fuck and absolutely nobody is adjusting to the situation.

>>64082000
Okay Chang.

>>64082004
Nice argument you braindead swine, you better start learning mandarin you repulsive fat fuck.

>>64081988
Yes.

>>64082020
Yeah, yeah, sure thing Chang.

I'll point out that the fact that china won't catch up to US navy even in 20 years still stands and exactly zero US Navy's accounts to the contrary were posted.

>>64082036
Ok chang

>>64079952
OSHA and EPA are scams meant to destroy EV industry in favor of communist ideals about "no car" and "trains/bus" public transportation system. These shmucks needs to be gassed. 10 years for fucking mining permit is insanity

>>64081183
yes i'm sure that's just clay and not heavy metal runoff from the nearby factories

>>64082859
Good, i am glad you agree and retracted your previous statement.

>>64081422
>misreading or highlighting words to give a different meaning on purpose
during war, picrel

>1960s
yes, the average US coal plant is a design based on 1960s tech.

>>64081183
And this is what Xi'chago does on Chinese St. Patrick's Day, right?

>>64081183
And this is what Xi'chago does on Chinese Lunar St. Patrick's Day, right?

>>64082907
You’re retarded and don’t understand how sarcasm works

if rare earth is easy then Trump would have chopped down the entire national park system to make it instead of crawling back to Xi and begging like a lil bitch.
He actually tries to exchange chips for rare earth! Kek
picrel is why

>>64083460
what is even more hilarious is that Xi just banned the chips too and continue banning rare earth.
chips are easy to make. Rare earth: not so much

>>64079952
Terrible take. Wrong information.

>>64083451
>lil nigga still thinks colored water = heAvY mETaLs
>he thinks that can be used as a Flint, MI reference because he doesn't know about algal bloom/red tide

>>64082119
>EV industry in favor of communist ideals about "no car" and "trains/bus" public transportation system
those are shilled by the same "people" though

>>64083048
why is a chink barking about coal plants again?

>>64080007
>he doesn't like big boob breasts
Fag.

>>64083460
>Source: CCP
yeah

>>64083486
>fog = POLLUTION
American education...

>>64083541
You're not even a chink; just stop. Cuck posting shilling for a foreign peoples that hste your guts and think you're inferior to them is fucking pathetic.

>>64083549
I accept your concession, retard.

>>64083549
Ha

>>64079927 (OP)
Nobody fucking cares. We have deposits in the US. We could develop them if we wanted, but there's no will for it. The prices are too low to justify either exploration or the capex of building an actual mine/plant. You could say it's China's fault, but it's ultimately our own government and investors responsible for the catch. It also takes like 10 years at absolute breakneck speed to go from discovery to recovery, and that's not counting the permitting nightmare we now live in or the fact that doing so doesn't make the big line go up next quarter.
>t. geologist

>>64083460
Does posting random infographics ever work outside of /pol/?

>>64081022
Ah, the beautiful orange waters of the Yangtze
I hear it once had its own species of river dolphin, unique in all the world

>>64083469
>as we all know, the most difficult and irreplaceable part of any economic process is resource extraction
>this is why Sub-Saharan Africa is such an economic and political powerhouse.

>>64083478
>it's not mining runoff!
>it's pollution from another one of China's many poorly regulated industries being dumped straight into one of the world's largest rivers
>hahaha take that, Amerimuttican!
>oh no, it still sounds weak
>something something Flint, Michigan
>good job, me
>now foreign devil will lose many face

>>64081436
>160 steel workers can make the same amount of steel we used to need 5,000+ steel workers in 3 shifts to make.
By melting scrap iron
How much of blast furnace capacity US has again?

>>64080702
Nigger get the AP micro macro shit out of here. You need to learn that
Not everyone is a rational actor
Other nations hate you
They will do anything to hurt you

So grow up service isnt real
Killing and making kill machines is

>>64081285
Thorium easily contained by doing nothing.
The problem isn't the EPA and thorium being radioactive. The problem is the DOE and thorium being fertile and a potential source for nuclear materials.

It's not a real issue as you would need a neutron source, so either a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator, to do anything with it. But back in the 70s the government said what good are rare earths? Nothing? Okay lets just call thorium source material and ignore rare earths. A 15 trillion dollar a year modern electronics industry later and it turns out the world does have a use for rare earths.

>>64083918
>So grow up service isnt real
>Killing and making kill machines is
Don't look up which country has the biggest aerospace industry in the world or exports the most weaponry. The answer will hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.

>>64083839
Retard, I'm saying the meme of posting pic of china water when there's some color is retarded because in general you can't see heavy metals changing the color of water unless some retard dumped a truckload of Chrome yellow.
You're fucking retarded

>>64083541
>chiner
>not completely polluted from dirt to the heavens
lol, lmao even

>>64083623
Why are you so fucking ugly and dysgenic looking? Were your parents siblings? Or was your mother just an alcoholic crack whore and your father one of her johns that you never knew?

>>64085477
Wonder what their next generation of people be like. Wonder if they'll even survive for 5 generations considering how fucked the water is there. Is china shaping up to be the next india?

>>64085477
>spamming a 10 yo pic related to industrial disasters
Now lets check the list of train oil tankers, oil rigs fires of the US...

>>64085718
>10 yo
proof? because china is more polluted than ever before today

>>64085730
>proof?
>the dumbfuck shill (at min wage) doesn't know archives

>>64080121
China isn't going to sell to us if we shoot at them.

>>64085718
The whole of chiner is an industrial disaster. The only thing that happened in the 10 years is it's gotten worse. The CCP doesn't give two shits about it's people or their environment and aren't reversing 40 years of toxic waste dumping in 10 years. Stop the bullshit, nobody buys it. You don't even buy it, which is why you wouldn't in a million years live in mainland chiner.

>>64085921
>meanwhile in reality China is back on track for their goals to reduce CO2, HM and PM pollution after the problematic restart of the economy during 2021-2022
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/

>>64086004
>Says the CCP
Yeah, and I'm Jesus Christ.

>>64086013
>the km2 of new solar farms aren't real, you can see it from the space
you know you can show evidence of they not having all those solar farms, wind farms, etc...

>>64085730
Beijing used to be worse than Delhi, now it's better, but I still wouldn't live there. Parts of Henan and Xinjiang have long term lung cancer levels of smog and pollution.

>>64086018
typo >you can see it
>you can't see it

>>64086018
>Based on official figures
AKA data released by the known liars the CCP. Which have been caught lying about their GDP, population size, energy usage, etc. But this time they're totally telling the truth. Yeah, nah.

>>64086032
schizo.

>>64086070
>believes CCP figures
>calls other people "schizo"

mein sides

>>64086075
>avoids the problematic topic of REMOTE SENSING
That's why you're an schizo, other countries can measure atmospheric conditions from the space, and literally see the land, farms, solar farms, etc.
Now kys retarded volshill.

>>64086094
where are the remote sensed figures that aren't just a pathetic distraction like solar then? because the only way chink subhuman government will convince me that they've improved on anything is if they start talking about how much damage they caused and how irreversibly fucked china is.

>>64086114
>can't make solar
>now solar is pathetic
The Thin-film fiasco (like solyndra) says HELLO

>>64086124
>If China makes it, it must be good!

>>64086140
Concession accepted. Period.

>>64086142
Chinkshill stop having a multi thread meltie.

>>64086124
>solar isn't a net negative vanity project that serves to distract the world from the pollution of china's unfiltered coal plants
hi

>>64086172
> unfiltered coal plants
curious mention to that, when they explicitly started a program to filter every single coal plant and close the older ones (not ultrasupercritical/A-USC)

>>64086186
wow, china started another publicity stunt? i'm sure this will alleviate the smog and lung cancer most chinks experience very soon

>>64086186
We can check.the air quality of China, its not happening.

>>64086205
https://www.iqair.com/air-quality-map
Check it yourself.

>>64086212
https://www.iqair.com/air-quality-map
again, do it yourself.
>most parts are better than northern US and india

And this one was 15 years ago
https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/images/86075/changing-views-of-fine-particulate-pollution

>>64086220
>>64086225
>China is still considered one of the most polluted countries globally

>>64086234
>by americans

>>64086250
>by the entire world, except for CCP, coughing through the smog

>>64086253
>literally post the current data for all the world using the same sensors that shows the current pollution isn't as bad as 10 years ago even if they're by far the largest heavy industry manufacturers and smelters
>no! no like that!

>>64086250
https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries
Check it yourself

>China using pollution as a weapon to subjugate its neighbors
You heard it here first, anons!

>>64086265
The same website you used says China has bad air.

>>64086274
And in most part isn't worse than northern US

>>64086281
how many times will you repeat your cope lie?

>>64086288
Try again

>>64086267
>china and india basically superpooper peers
grim

>>64086281
>China is 21st worst in air quality
>USA is 116th
Lol okay

>>64086293
Fuck those wildfires. That smoke keeps drifting down to wi and ruining my weekends. I swear, the jeet majority in canada has taken over.

>>64086313
It's fucking crazy how it changes the sky. I remember a few years back there was a really bad wildfire and it made sunset look like a movie scene set in hell.

>>64086296
>70% of world's heavy industry
>21st place and improving
Implessive

>>64086330
Used to fight them myself, it was eerie getting the orange tint while sitting on the patio and not doing anything about it.

>>64086345
Losing militarily to a nation with clean air.

>>64086355
>goalpost moved
Concession acepted

>>64086361
Chinkshill stop malding

>>64086368
He can't he wouldnt get his gutter oil fried bat if he did

>>64086094
Remote sensing? Great, you can see something that resembles a solar farm. Now, how are you remote sensing how much power that solar farm produces daily? What's it's efficiency? How about battery bank storage abilities? How much actually is produced and sent to the grid per day? How much of this farm is all bullshit to milk shekels from the Paris climate accord?

>>64086423
You can literally buy their panels, they're by far the major exporter
KYS

>>64086186
Proof? May I see close up detailed pictures of these filters on existing coal powered plants?

>>64086433
So the scam panels boomers buy for their homes that break in 5 years?

>>64086225
>>most parts
You mean the parts not populated by chinsects or factories?

>>64086435
No need to PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFS™ when the result can be checked >>64086266 vs >>64086232

without retards like you saying "tHosE Are FaKE FiLTers"

>>64086455
>21st most polluted country

>>64086455
So this? >>64086267
The deep red belt of pollution and it bleeding into neighboring countries is proof of the filters doing their work?

>>64086433
So, no proof and you're talking.out of your blown out front hole, leftypol tankie troon? Got it, my man.

>>64086454
>implying the south isn't populated

>>64086455
That doesn't show me these filters hooked to existing chinsect coal powered plants. I see you can't post proof, my man.

>>64082119
>OSHA and EPA are scams meant to destroy EV industry
>OSHA Formed 1934; 91 years ago
>EPA Formed 1970; 55 years ago

>>64086464
see >>64086466

>>64086345
There's no better proof than the substantial PROOF that KILLED SOLYNDRA

I'm starting to think those retards are PLA shills falseflagging. You people are too retarded to be real. lmao

>>64086485
No they're just seething turd worlders, commies and troons.

>>64086494
Wow! The things I dislike!

>>64082119
EPA no lmao, they are there because the rivers kept spontaneously combusting. OSHA keeps us from being the liveleak factory that china is.

>>64086502
just a coincidence i'm sure