It seems the Ukies have started up a new campaign specifically targeting Russian Railways and their infrastructure starting from the end of July and striking one every other day or so.
What sort of effect will this have on the Russian transport capability in the region if they keep this up?

>>64080496 (OP)
>What sort of effect will this have on the Russian transport capability in the region if they keep this up?
no that much to be honest. railways are easy to repair and you can make them work even without all the signals and shit.
hiting the locomotives would be better imo

>>64080496 (OP)
This would have been helpful 2 years ago

>>64080496 (OP)
>What sort of effect will this have
I've been hearing this line parroted for a while now (possibly by shills precisely in preparation for this new set of operations) that the main line of Russian offensive is taking place along the railway network since that is the only way they can efficiently keep their lines supplied
If that is true this may disrupt supplies and effectively halt all offensive operations
I do doubt that to be the case though since Russians are conducting assaults in dirt bikes and ladas anyway and using donkey to supply the trenches, so idk what hitting trains is supposed to do to degrade such a clownshow even further

>>64080567
Hit crossing points, switches, junction boxes, culverts and such. Then wait for repair crews and hit them and their equipment. As for the locomotives, it should be common sense.

>>64080587
How do you think supply tonnage gets moved?

>>64080599
>As for the locomotives, it should be common sense.
well yeah but they are not doing that.
they need AI in their long range drones.

Russia is dying a death by a thousand cuts. Ukraine will win in about a year's time.

I got banned for 3 days for talking about it because turn out discussing railway logistics in war is not /k/ related

>>64080567
this to a degree, though in an indirect way this does over time produce serious strain on Russian infrastructure as an industry. infrastructure maintenance and repair workers are one of the groups that has signed up for the war at the highest rates (along with police and firefighters, funny enough) because of the insane salaries and sign on bonuses. nearly all domestic industries inside Russia have been sounding the alarm on being understaffed and unable to find workers since late 2023 and it has only been getting worse, its why they are importing so many Muslims to work in agriculture and now trying to import one million Indian workers.

the Russian domestic economy is locked in a death spiral for employment where they need to compete with military wages for the same shrinking work force, it gets even more insane when you realize most of these industries struggling to compete with military salaries are also funded by the government and rely on it as their largest customer (who they then pass the increased costs onto) so the government is stuck either paying more for services or having to subsidize the companies as they become unprofitable but still mandatory to keep the state running

>>64080587
> I do doubt that to be the case though since Russians are conducting assaults in dirt bikes and ladas anyway and using donkey to supply the trenches
Anon you must be retarded. Last mile logistics has nothing to do with rear logistics

>>64080620
>Ukraine will win in about a year's time.
Been hearing this for 2 years straight already at this point. Just stop making predictions and enjoy the show. You are just making an ass of yourself with this hopium

>>64080567
> railways are easy to repair
Railway substations are not quick and easy to repair and electric trains need them to work

>>64080625
/k/ is sorta brain dead sometimes.

>The RF AF is a railroad-mobile force. This includes the VDV and Naval Infantry, which move less frequently by air or sea in favor of rail.

>>64080648
genuinely funny to watch an unprovoked war of conquest meant to reinvigorate Russian imperial sovereignty slowly turn into a second Iran-Iraq war, all while NATO expands and Ukraine and Russia themselves increasingly see their territory become a theater for a proxy war between the Western bloc and China/Iran while their domestic economies are increasingly shackled and controlled by their foreign backers

>>64080675
Sure, but this shitshow is not ending next year nor the one after that

>>64080648
I don’t think this war can go for another full year, everything is teetering on the brink

>>64080649
1) Railway substations can be replaced in a few days in times of emergency.
2) Railway substations generally overlap so if one is broken, trains can still run.

>>64080496 (OP)
It makes it a lot harder, there's some speculation from the pro-RU shills that they can easily repair railways but that's not necessarily true for train and rolling stock as its generally a big fucking deal to work on. However, any kind of delays in supply lines means less reserves and it means making do and sometimes it means taking a fucking beating as something ran out.
The big issue is that logistics runs on certain degrees of synchronized groups making sure the gear is there, it can be picked up and transported before it finally ends up at that last mile to get it where it needs to go, you fuck that up too much and you end up with backlogs, sourcing new things to go somewhere else to keep stuff rolling. So that critical load of rubber cocks to russians that really need them doesn't arrive in time because they figured, we'll send the butt plugs to the airforce that didn't need them as a priority, but will give us something to do in the meantime.

Russias big problem though is that last mile delivery
Its a fucking circus of busted trucks, golf carts, donkeys and the go get things rooster on foot. They're constantly getting trashed and blown up so its just another thing, on top of the already huge amount of delays and unlikely deliveries. All adds up, its not a minor inconvenience at all, its a big inconvenience because Russia can't protect them and they're just eventually going to have to figure out that if half their shit is blown up, then that's just all there is

>>64080496 (OP)
Car wrime.

>>64080767
>1) Railway substations can be replaced in a few days in times of emergency.
Only you have full access to normal supply chains. Part of the issue here for the Russians is how all the pressure compounds over time. Sanctions by themselves aren't magic, but they do make things more expensive and slower even if bypassed, and the bugs and poos can't supply everything either. These are all dynamic equilibriums in terms of rate at which defenders can repair at what cost and rate at which attackers can destroy at what cost. "Repair" isn't a binary either, if crappier or lower margin transformers have to be substituted say that could reduce capacity or increase the likelihood of future failures.

Like absolutely yeah none of these are killshots but the cuts aren't meaningless either.

>>64080767
> Railway substations can be replaced in a few days in times of emergency.
And railway cars can be replaced much
quicker. Furthermore every next attack makes replacement harder, especially if Russia doesn’t have friendly country to provide them free substation
> Railway substations generally overlap so if one is broken, trains can still run.
So it just means you need to hit more

>>64080648
Funny because 2 years ago I remember the general consensus was that Russia would be able to stay in the fight for 3 to 5 years, so seeing people say 1 year tracks.
Remember when ziggers were saying that total tank death was fake news when people said Russia would be scraping the bottom of the barrel by "mid 2025"? Why has Russia almost entirely stopped sending tanks in their assaults now if that was just holhol propaganda? >>64072063
I guess they're saving it for the REAL assault lmaoooo

>>64080648
I've been predicting 2026 for about four years now

>>64080625
Logistics is the most important weapon in war, it's just that /k/ is a weeb board so you have to include a picture of logistics-chan

>>64081120
>Only you have full access to normal supply chains
Russia's entire military logistics is dependent on trains. They have all the required systems and storages to bring their rail networks back into functioning as fast as they can.
They have a whole branch of their logistics arm for this shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Railway_Troops

>>64080573
Maybe the Russians are going for another Southern push since the one in the East isn't really going anywhere, which is why they are hitting them now?

>>64081120
>>64081282
OP said:
> and striking one every other day or so.
they need to strike 5 or 6 every week if they want to cause serious damage.
there's a few things the soviets did well and one of them is their railway system.
they emphasized redundancy and simplicity in case of war

>>64081450
they don't manufacture their own bearings as I understand it

>>64081727
No, they don't. They were generally dependent on Nordic manufacturing for their bearings, but they've 100% found an alternate source for them by now.

>>64081989
Didn't their sole ball-bearing factory get blown up last year?

>>64080767
The system is redundant and there are special generator trans that can supply electricity for the contact wire if a substation fails, no idea if Russia has any of those though.
But that's one substation. Take out a dozen and electric trains are not going anywhere.
Diesel is still fine, but there are otehr ways to fuck with that Refueling stations should be amonst the first targets, just because they are easy to hit and flamable.
You're never going to stop trains completely, but with a few dozen strikes you can cut down capacity to a fraction of what it was before.

>>64081319
>>64080648
It's the donkeys, ladas, e-bikes, e-scooters, and e-unicycles. It's fucking weird even saying that last one. Lakc of armored vehicles only makes caualties go UP and speeds up their collapse. Russia is stagnant in the east and barely making progress.

>>64080496 (OP)
>What sort of effect will this have on the Russian transport capability in the region if they keep this up?
The Russian rail system is in deep touble anyway, reports of entire lines being closed due to abandoned carriages left on lines after trainw were taken for military use. Their entire military runs on rail so as with most things the Ukranians have done in the last 2 years its smart.

>>64083261
Thing is they should have been attacking Russian rail assets much earlier.

>>64082106
Chinks can make ball bearings now, they got a factory up a few years ago as I recall

>>64080802
>Russias big problem though is that last mile delivery
>Its a fucking circus of busted trucks, golf carts, donkeys and the go get things rooster on foot.
Russia is going to have a new electric car soon though. Look at his baby, you can haul a lot of supplies in this.

Station lacks structures that could catch fire, and drones lack the capability to carry multiple large bombs that could destroy everything without relying on fire.

>>64083496
Disquieting.

>>64080701
Russia has already fallen. But the cold climate means the corpse isn't smelling too badly yet. As long as Putin is still alive, the war will continue despite the destruction it causes to Russia and Russians. Putin only cares to stay in power, or rather, he is afraid of what happens to him if he is deposed. Putin's only aim is not to win the war, but to keep it going until he dies of old age. Ukraine has to last that long or find ways to make Putin die faster.

>>64080573
two years ago there were enough lightly-defended ammo depos and oil refineries within strike range and long-range drones were in shorter supply.

railway stations were always on the list of potential targets, and the situation has changed enough to make it worth paying attention to them.

>>64080567
>>64080636
Its less about hitting rail and locomotives, more about hitting the fuel and munitions piled up ready to go to the front line. The short term win is nice, and it complicates russian logistics longer term as they figure out how to get everything on a train to the front line without it being an inviting target

>>64080496 (OP)
As many have said, it will make things worse for russia. What nobody seems to point out the ukies ability to find new exposed parts in Russia and hit them hard. Railways were kinda low prio now, but they're very valid targets now. Hitting them hurts even more for russia, because kleptocraric graft didn't magically not happen there. Expect RU telegram to come up with new flowery language to tell you how Ivan ivanovich fucked the butter, because he bought cardboard rail switches to pocket the difference for a new luxury yacht.

>>64083496
A modern classic art piece
>also my face when there's a weird noise at 2am

>>64080648
Funnily enough back during late 2023 I predicted Russia would be grinded to a halt by late 2025 or early 2026 due depletion of armor and artillery depots and following the same pattern as seen in WW1, 4 years of war.
So, here we are, Russia hasn't managed to achieve the same gains during the current year than before, we are now seeing ukrainians managing to push back russians in certain areas of the frontline.
History doesn't repeat, but it has a pulse.

>>64080620
Ukraine will not win. Okay? Ukraine will not fucking win. No one will win this war. It's beyond winning.
At best, Russia will abandon Ukraine as a lost cause due to equipment losses and economic collapse. Ukraine is not defeating Russia. They just don't have the numbers to do it. They can fight them to a draw and cause a lot of casualties, but there's a limit. There's a limit to Western contribution and a limit to Ukrainian manpower.
But let's say that Russia stays in this until the end and Ukraine falls. They will be hurt so badly economically and depleted militarily that they will be weakened for decades. That's not a "win." It's a pyrrhic victory.

>>64083787
>At best, Russia will abandon Ukraine as a lost cause due to equipment losses and economic collapse. Ukraine is not defeating Russia.

That's a defeat for Russia and a win for Ukraine. The next part is that EU-America will invest heavily in rebuilding Ukraine, but NOT Russia. So there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

>>64080517
fuck status
>totally

>>64083791
>The next part is that EU-America will invest heavily in rebuilding Ukraine
You have absolutely no proof or assurance of that at all. The EU is notorious for not meeting financial promises and the US is not interested in nation building after spending trillions on the war on terror.
Again, there will be no winners in this war. It was a pointless exercise in greed and imperialism that cost an enormous toll in human lives.

>>64083808
ukraine not being taken over by russia is ukraine winning the war. nobody is saying they wouldn't have been better off having not been invaded

>>64083808
>The EU is notorious for not meeting financial promises
Bakd-faced lie
>the US is not interested in nation building
Investment for profit is not charity or nation building

Next sophist take, please!

>>64083808
Just curious, why do you think the EU would hold off on investment? They would literally be getting EU and American companies direct access to Ukraine's natural gases and oil deposits, mineral rights, shit even the agricultural sector will need to be rebuilt from the ground up in the east of Ukraine. Without a single (western) life lost. After the conclusion of the war, and Russia teeters on the brink of ruin, a NATO defense guarantee and entrance into the EU will cost nothing to enforce and achieve a new market sector, and the potential for this all to pay dividends in the immediate next 10-20 years would theoretically be quite high in the absence of any other outside threat

>>64083261
>Carriages left blocking lines after military nicks the engines
Fucking CHRIST it really is just a nation of crackheads.

>>64083808
Its literally free money, Trump and his successors might be retarded enough to keep the US out of the rebuilding process but every EU corpo and their mother wants a piece of Ukraine

>>64083496
>>64083538
It's like it was born knowing that it was destined to violently explode.
Given the workmanship of their new buhankas, would you trust a Russian made electric car to have a properly sealed battery which won't have the plates touch and fuse after going over a pothole?

https://youtu.be/mhf9LoQSCQc

>>64083261
>reports of entire lines being closed due to abandoned carriages left on lines after train were taken for military use.
I feel there's something missing in this story. rolling stock is pretty good at rolling, if its flat you can push an empty wagon (very slowly) with a couple of men.

>>64080496 (OP)
/k/Ikes will claim that the Russian army is in a worse state than a year before but will never find an explanation on why Russia is advancing faster than a year before.

>>64080496 (OP)
>>64080567
This reminds me of Allies strategic bombing of Germany. Chaotic choice of targets, no focus, and no unsustainable damage because of spread of efforts and wrong targets choice.
When Allies concentrated efforts on true bottlenecks: Germany synthetic fuel production, it did strategic damage, but it happened kinda too late. There was another bottleneck: ball bearings production but Allies moved on after they did some damage.

Ukrainians are the same , strikes are too weak and spread.
While I believe Russia has strategic Achilles heel that can attacked by light payload drones. This is oil and gas pipelines in Siberia. These are spread across thousands km and extremely difficult to defend. While themselves are very vulnerable and can be damaged by 10 lbs warhead drones, fire does the rest. Pipes can be replaced but in these far territories it takes much time, it takes time to clear burning pipe from fuel, takes time to fill it again. All that time pipeline isn't operational. If every day there is new breach somewhere along hundreds km length of that pipe it can't be operated.

There is some challenge with with range, they are located 3000 km from Ukraine, but again warhead needed for this target it very small, that make designing such drone simpler.
I believe full focus mass attack against these pipelines is the attack that can did strategic damage to Russia. Oil and gas is fueling everything in Russia and their finances to buy so important for war effort imports. Without oil exports Russia is nothing. And these pipelines can't be replaced with another more resistant transportation.

>>64084275
Ukraine has probably been told to not target pipelines for the exact reason that they are vulnereable.
West does not really want the domestic assholes to get any ideas about targeting that infrastructure.

>>64084261
>/k/Ikes will claim that the Russian army is in a worse state than a year before but will never find an explanation on why Russia is advancing faster than a year before.

>>64084275
>I believe full focus mass attack against these pipelines is the attack that can did strategic damage to Russia. Oil and gas is fueling everything in Russia and their finances to buy so important for war effort imports
Anon you're so smart, I wonder why NONE thought about this in four years. Oh wait, everyone knows about that but because Russian oil and gas are needed on world's market

>>64083616
>Railways were kinda low prio now
Russia moves most of military equipment and civilian shit too. Railway was always good targets

>>64084326
>on why Russia is advancing faster than a year before.
Okay, let me see the map... yup, no visible changes for years now.

>>64084388
Maybe he's meant that its gone up to tectonic plate rates of movement

>>64084261
>faster
Could be nice to actually measure the area won/lost each year/month.

>>64084388
>>64084448
they are advancing fastER than last year, nobody said they're advancing fast.

500+ casualties to drones per day and they're gaining up to dozens of new treelines and intersections all along the front line

>>64080496 (OP)
But why? Russia more dependent on Highway trucking like the United States.

>>64084457
They don't really capture anything strategic though, if you lose 20-30k ziggers a month for 6 months just nibbling on fallow wheat fields, its not putting you in much better position really.
All the gear, transport and effort to get them there and by the time it comes around to making a push to anything, its too late, there's not enough stuff, not enough ziggers, nowhere near enough armour, ECM systems or artillery or airpower. So it starts over again.
They haven't really thrown anything at Ukraine that Ukraine can't afford to live without
Ukraine knows, just preserve your forces, block for as long as you can while they beating the fucking shit out of them, making them do all sorts of dilemma moves from one bad idea to the next. Then just pull back and maintain your fighting posture. Fucking fact of the matter is, Russia owns less of Ukraine than they did in March 2022, they are not achieving anything to strengthen themselves strategically, ol pedo poots is spending massive amounts of cash, whoring himself out to uncle Kim and renting his bussy to wanton persians as a dancing boy. For some old-ass, gay fucking drones and milsurp from the 60's and 70's

War is expensive and there's really only one side spending money, even europe is doing the drip feed to keep Ukraine going, the USA is basically being perfidious cunts and Ukraine really doesn't get enough to make some big moves, but what it can do is apparently attrition the Russians into generational debt, death and tax its primary industries into extinction.

>>64084457
That just means that ukies have adopted more mobile warfare, probably reducing their own casualties by half and increasing russian casualties three times in process.

>>64084261
It isn't.

>>64080496 (OP)
>>64080500
>>64080510
>>64080517
When will the general population understand they're not winning the war, herm, the SMO? As a civilian, you don't see your shit blowing up like that when you're winning.

>>64084503
general population is brainwashed to the point that they'll be screaming they've won when russia fucking collapses

>>64080500>>64080510
>>64080517

O wow nice images thanks for the webms anon

>>64080567
>no that much to be honest. railways are easy to repair
Is that why theallies bombed German railway hubs in WW2?

>>64080587
>so idk what hitting trains is supposed to do to degrade such a clownshow even further
Stop munitions,reinforcements food and fuel arriving since is literally the only way the Rusisans deliver such material?

>>64084503
General aware* population has probably known it since the initial invasion failed.
They just can't say it out loud unless they want a visit from FSB, so you only see the loud retards denying the reality in the internet.
*non-aware population probably does not even know that the soviet union no longer exists

>>64084460
> Russia more dependent on Highway trucking like the United States.
Who told you that?

>>64084507
>general population is brainwashed to the point that they'll be screaming they've won when russia fucking collapses
They are not. You can arrested for just being heard saying the wrong things let alone posting them on the Rusisan internet. The General Rusisan population has known things are fucked for a lonng time. You get in trouble with the authorities in Russia about the war they can take your kids away, you will never see them again. YOu get charged with some shit and end up with your teeth smashed out and the offer of a military contract or death in a gulag.

>>64084512
>They just can't say it out loud unless they want a visit from FSB, so you only see the loud retards denying the reality in the internet.
This people don;t understand ust how must Putin has recreate the old stalinsit teror state. Back then people would only talk to immediate family in the kitchen very very quietly and preferably with something making a noise as well. Even your kids can report you, just like the old days

>>64084518
Its nonsense, Rusisa roads are mostly in a terrible state especially in the regions, everything military moves by rail

>>64081389
>>64083693
- 1923 – Earthquake in Kamchatka
- 1924 – Death of Lenin
- 1952 – Earthquake in Kamchatka
- 1953 – Death of Stalin
- 2006 – Earthquake in Kamchatka
- 2007 – Death of Elstin
- 2025 – Earthquake in Kamchatka
- 2026 – ???

It's all in the ancient scriptures.

Another warcrime like when they murdered civilians in a civilian train terror attack which western leaders praised as brilliant move?

>>64084556
yeah because shitty rusisan dicators are quasi divine beings related to earthquakes huh?

Fuck a prophetic sign on Putins level would be more like 'many ladas will fail to start' or 'some things will be stolen'

>>64084512
Russia is actively working to turn their part of the internet into a national intranet, sort of a leaf out of the ching chongs and kim kims places. So you can do all your banking and bills on the intranet but there's no off ramp into out of country services. Also stops things like VPN's and darknet as a way of getting around such things when the plug is pulled out of the wall.
Helps cut down on the amount of rabble-rousing, watching verboten media, social-media stuff and talking to outsiders, also much easier to police with a confined presence

>>64084568
Briges are strategic targets. Suck it up Ivan start shit get hit and for you its only just beginnning really. You revolting little piece of shit.

>>64084571
God please make that happen so my online games will be free of Russians

>>64084511
>Is that why theallies bombed German railway hubs in WW2?
wow you are so smart!
>The Germans, however, prioritized repairs, and many hubs were restored to limited operation within weeks.
>Rail hubs in western Germany were bombed repeatedly; some, like Hamm, were attacked over 30 times.
damn, it's almost as if it's not as easy as you think it is.
the Ukis only have tiny drones that can only do a tiny amount of dammage to those hubs (unless really lucky) so good luck with that.

THERMITE

>>64084615
I know!
Course they might not also have their ENTIRE NUKE SUB information being stolen by Ukraine hackers either, then splashed all over the western military and intelligence agencies like its a dirty leak of celebrity noodz
https://interestingengineering.com/military/ukraine-russia-nuclear-submarine-secrets

They even know where the crews live, their names and everything

>>64084486
Ukraine is taking lower casualties than last year but that's because they conducted major offensive operations last year - hitting almost parity in casualties on some days in Kursk.

Now they're pretty much exclusively defending, with only very local, opportunistic counterattacks when ziggers overextend too badly, so their casualties are bound to be much lower. Ukraine tends to take casualties during resupply, rotation and retreat, whereas the ziggers get interdicted during all of these AND they send hundreds of small unsupported light infantry infiltration attacks every single day.

>>64084568
>1 civvie
what a disaster! one civilian! disgusting terrorists, am i right, anon?

>>64084556
probably just coincidence but i bet it has putin pretty spooked, assuming he knows. iirc he's big on that sort of mystecism, with the magic numbers and whatnot

>>64084571
Putin is defnitely going for the full korth korea they are passing laws for price conntrols on key foods and returning to a full soviet style command economy. The3 consequences of this war and teh FSBs cargo cut mentality for teh USSR are going to wipe out life for a genration of Rusisans, loos like their rail system won't make it either.

>>64084624
Again beinga retarded Russian does nto work on here. Attacking rail hubs is an immensly profitable strategic target.
>But Muh Russia stronk, we're fine really inevitable victory communism was gud really!
Fuck off

>>64084833
You type like you make intentional typos. It's really, really odd. Your typos aren't organic, it's as if you're doing them on purpose. Not even disabled retards write like this.

>>64084832
Sort of got a wizard to handle that just in case, course the downside of tsar wizards is that they don't know right from wrong, boys from girls, cocks in the cheeks and tend to do some wild shit.
Putin will wear any kind of little or big hat though to pretend he's vaguely religious, but just like all ex-soviet's they're mostly godless heathens and degenerate heretics

>>64084833
I think at this point they're going to just have to do it because basic food is really spiking due to no one to pick or harvest anything. All these dudes who just cut down trees, eat their lunch and bum one another in the rural areas went from 5k a year to 'we'll give you 50k straight up, in the fucking bank' and you sort of have to figure...
>maybe I'll survive?
Which most of them wont but the damage is already done as that money is already floating around in the local economy, everyone got some rubles, but no one's got enough to sell so its highest bidder gets the potato

>>64084261
You are brown

>>64080496 (OP)
Average railway speed in Russia has fallen to 1960s level, so I don't think Ukies can actually damage it much more than it already is.

>>64084837
>Again beinga retarded Russian does nto work on here.
listen kiddo, I know you think you know everything because you read one book about ww2 when you were 14yo but let me tell you about the real world.
> Attacking rail hubs is an immensly profitable strategic target.
no it's not. especially when you don't have enough air power to do it constantly
here a list of better things to destroy:
-oil and ammo depots (some are near rail hubs so you can damage them like this).
-factories, workshops, refineries
-locomotives
-big electrical transformers
-bridges
>But Muh Russia stronk, we're fine really inevitable victory communism was gud really!
wasting ressources on stupid shit like is not how you win wars.
>Fuck off
relax kiddo. being angry won't solve the issue.

>>64084571
Jesus Christ please let this happen, imagine how nice everything would be if every pidorast was confined to a self imposed internet cuckbox

>>64084916
>attacking locomotives(Russia has tens of thousands of those)
>good

>attacking railway electric grid(Russia doesn't have that many of those and replacement is hard)
>bad

>>64084944
ahh, so now it's not the entire hub, it's just the """railway electric grid"""
pro-tip retard, soviet/russian railways can operate without electricity, they were designed this way and they have a lot of diesel locomotives in reserve.

and yes they do have a lot of locomotives but they are spread all around the country. destroying the ones near Ukraine would still be worthwhile considering it's always a massive shitshow when one needs to be removed and replaced.

>>64084931
They'd still have the shillfarms up, it would literally just be shillfarms that you'd interact with from those places.

>>64084931
>he thinks Russian Olgino state troll farms would stop poisoning your internet when ordinary Russians are banned from there

>>64084977
>soviet/russian railways can operate without electricity, they were designed this way and they have a lot of diesel locomotives in reserve.
where do i read more about this? sounds like some kind of soviet era preparation for ww3

>>64085017
>sounds like some kind of soviet era preparation for ww3
well yeah.
I mean, it's not that complicated, they just have mechanical switches everywhere and thousands of diesel locomotives.
the point is that it's pretty much impossible to stop the russian railway from operating more than a few hours at best (unless you are have A LOT of bombs)

it's just better to strike the warehouses nearby when you know they are full of ammo.

>>64084977
>ahh, so now it's not the entire hub, it's just the """railway electric grid"""
okay, why the fuck are you arguing if you have no idea what's happening on the ground? Main targets in recent attacks were primary railways substations, here's a map of those hit
>pro-tip retard, soviet/russian railways can operate without electricity, they were designed this way and they have a lot of diesel locomotives in reserve.
How much? How old is that park? How many of them are in working conditions? Are they planning to make all transportation in East to move from electric modern locomotives to those diesel?
Pretty sure those making strikes know more about situation than you

>>64083496
>>64083538
>>64083570
>>64083664
Even funnier in combination with the text on the license plate. It says "trials", a normal kinda thing for an experimental vehicle, but considering the look of the car it's a cherry on top.

Probably won't explode though, there's a weirdly thick "compartment" in the bottom of the body(note where the door begins), which suggests it might actually use regular lead-acid batteries.
Because if its lithium, then it must have absolutely huge pack, triple the size of average EV, and that's simply not happening.

>>64084197
More buhanka craftsmanship:
https://files.catbox.moe/g5ogvt.mp4

>>64085096
Fuck, how much do you want to bet that's a forklift battery pack powering that thing?

>>64085096
>lead-acid battery
>won't explode when hit
>but sulfuric acid everywhere instead

>>64084980
>>64084985
There are enclaves of Russians all over certain videogame multiplayer scenes, and they're always shitty and toxic. Not shills, just shits.

>>64084571
>sort of a leaf out of the ching chongs and kim kims places.
Won't work(but I won't deny they might try to), unless they physically chop the cables.
Kim's network was built this way from the start; chinese one too, and it simply has such mass of people that they are content and platform self-sufficient.
"Runet" on the other hand started and developed for a long time as a part of normal real Internet with no restrictions, and userbase is too small to replicate chinese web.
>So you can do all your banking and bills
Btw, about banking - russia prides itself on developed mobile banking/e-payment, e-government, and all-around commerce digitalization.
The thing is, all of that fancy stuff heavily relies on mobile internet. And they started OUTRIGHT SHUTTING MOBILE INTERNET DOWN FOR DAYS OR SOMETIMES WEEKS as a "precaution against drone attacks". Can't make this up.
>Also stops things like VPN's and darknet as a way of getting around such things when the plug is pulled out of the wall.
Unless plug is pulled - nothing will stop users from mitigating those restrictions now. They didn't start to block shit suddenly and severely, it was a gradual process over many years. And people as well gradually gained knowledge about counteracting it. Russian restrictions arguably already are on the level of chinese ones, but evasion methods also evolve - well past "prepackaged" VPNs or even custom ones, or shadowsocks, its now a realm of cutting edge chinese anti-block fuckery being adapted and adopted.
>Helps cut down on the amount of rabble-rousing, watching verboten media, social-media stuff and talking to outsiders
You forget most important part: profit for certain "proper" people. For too long old farts in government were unaware of rivers of money flowing online, past theirs snouts. Now - they own all important local internet companies, and any "competitor" is blocked for "extremism"(or even without explanation)in hopes of driving traffic towards them.

>>64080620
>Ukraine will win in about a year's time.
A pyrrhic victory at most, if we're being realistic
I wish they'd win, but long term I think what will happen is Donbass becomes a frozen conflict / unrecognized state.
They've done this before with Trannystria, Georgia, etc

>>64080637
correct, one has donkeys, the other has a literal tranny flag and emblem

>>64084197
>it has a mouth and it must scream

It's cold, but every Russian attack on a Ukrainian city is very bad for the long term prospects of Ukraine given tehir demographics. They are hitting city cores, so this means well educated people, who are irreplaceable in Ukraine today. Project the amount of economic activity a person would create over their lifetime, then imagine the direct costs related to their deaths, and the costs required to train someone else to replace them?

In contrast, losing 1000 pidors from dumb-fuckistan isn't as big an impact, bbecause these are poor village dwellers who'd die early of alcoholism.

>>64086000
Anon, by your logic Germany and Japan would have died out immediately after WW2.

>>64085347
>forklift
Unknown technology.

>>64086000
This framework is useful to explain why air defenses, even costly ones, are needed. People go "hurr durr 1 million dollar missile?" and forget how expensive a god damn person is.

>>64086022
Germany and Japan absolutely took a huge economic hit after WW2 due to all the damages to the cities and the huge KIA of civilians and soldiers. Look at Japan here which took a demographic hit of several million between 1940 and 1945.

One big difference is that they had healthier demographics back then, meaning they could build new people to replace them in a generation. Ukraine does not have that as they barely have anyone being born. Their population is set to shrink. Every single educated person is worth their weight in gold.

>>64083496
The designer should be sent to the trenches

Another strike happened tonight, at Tatsinskaya railway station again in Rostov.

>railways start getting lit up?
>quickly force workers to get unpaid 2 days of vacation a month

>>64080587
You missed out on the US analysis on Russia dropped just a day or two ago.
All their logistic pools are at railheads.Their BTG HQs and commanders too. Russia needs railroads all the way to the front like a baby needs milk.

These strikes will slow down Russia enough to make 2025 the least impressive year since this war began, and soon the muddy season starts.

>>64083787
>At best, Russia will abandon Ukraine
That is a win

>>64080587
>Russians are conducing assaults in dirt bikes and ladas
...do you think they're supplying the frontline troopers entirely with those vehicles?
A person needs 4lbs of food per day, granted these are ziggers and thus less than people, but on principle they should still aim to provide that much
Do you think little Corporal Dedovschina is ferrying hundreds of lbs of food for his platoon on a dirt bike every day?

>>64083808
>It's packed full of resources and agricultural potential, most of which already has huge amounts of infrastructure pre-built behind it
>They've got a newborn and ferocious national spirit
>They've got the only military in the world that will have fought an (allegedly) modern military on near-peer terms and triumphed
>The EU is desperate for some sort of spiritual reinvigoration and adding Ukraine to its roster would accomplish that
>It's strategically vital for Europe that Ukraine become wealthy and powerful to act as a sure bulwark against the barbaric hordes of the East

The question is why the fuck WOULDN'T they pump money into Ukraine

>>64080567
Russia has run out of duct tape.

>>64087451
This. For reasons we really do not like to talk about, Europe is very good at rebuilding countries.

Well except the Balkans, but those are not real countries and I'm pretty sure one half of them will confidently tell you the other half are not really people, so let's just pretend they all don't exist until they go away or something, that worked like a charm the last six or so times.

>>64087294
>gaz
>kamaz
huh? ziggers can't even pay for their own military vehicles anymore? is it that hard to force a bank to loan them more money?

>>64080496 (OP)
no effect, the damage from a few drones will be small, numerous railway troop units can repair it within a day or two
the proper way would be to target rolling stock, marshalling yards, maintenance sites and chokepoints like bridges but that requies better weapons and ISR

>>64087863
have you seen a new civilian truck or off-road vehicle used by them? it's all 1970-1990s vehicles donated by random people. Nobody can get cheap credit to buy a new vehicle.

>>64087872
edit: Nobody can get cheap credit to buy a new vehicle, and their government isn't spending in that, shaheds are more important because killing civilians is more important...

>>64087872
zigger MOD still pays for new production. KAMAZ trucks are vital to their effort.

>>64083496
>HIV design

>>64087863
>ziggers can't even pay for their own military vehicles anymore?
Have you nonticed how their defense contractors go bankrupt during a war? Theiir central governmment is running out of money, and their regional governments are close to insolvennncy.
They have ordered banks to limit cash withdrawals to avoid bank runs, and Sberbank (quietly) announuced that they might need a government bailout by (end of) FY 2026.

Nabiulina may be a financial witch, but even she can't make soup without water.

>>64083538
>I have no Mouth and I must Scream: The Car

>>64083787
No tard. Sit and listen.
You think that russia can ever stop? You think partisan hell will not be a high art form? There can be no "conquering ukraine", and then your logical step. Then you think there is simply no way Ukraine "takes" russia. But what if the azov flag marches and there is no return fire?
Point blank, partisan hell is infinite in ukraine and non-existent to little in Russia. And that is a serious difference. Lets set aside Ukraine occupying Russia politically. Let's just talk about Ukrainians marching into Russia and simply nothing happening, and for a ridiculously long time until nothing again happens in Moscow.
IF specifically this happens, will you call this "not a win"?

>>64080625
the bug spray copypasta is not related either

>>64085771
Russia can't keep its army in the donbass forever and as soon as they leave Ukraine will take it back

>>64083496
I'm not sure if it's more rational to blow it into space to get rid of it or kill myself so I'm not on the same planet.

>>64083461
Once they got one they took a cutting and cloned it a few times.

>>64083218

>>64085347
No one's forklift qualified in Russia

>>64085574
Mind you, any battery pack that's big enough and gets bonked hard enough gets kind of sketchy. Batt-acid isn't so bad assuming you're not swimming in the stuff and get it off quick enough, but if it's pumping out 500 amps it'll still set damn near anything on fire, humans, interior car bits... steel bars

>>64087660
dont kid i was in izhvesk a few years ago and they had a crew of guys repairing a collapsing road with expanding foam

>>64084556
Oh shit oh fuck!

>>64084295
>West does not really want the domestic assholes to get any ideas about targeting that infrastructure.
Yeah like Russians Shaheeds campaign against transformers and Ukrainian drone attacks against Russian bombers didn't give enough ideas.
Were are past that stage of gloves off.

>>64080496 (OP)
Why don't you just drone gas stations?

>>64080496 (OP)
It depends on what they damage. Some parts are probably hard to repair but a lot of track damage might look bad but are very easy to repair.
Any damage to locomotive or precision machinery is a bigger blow imo.

There is a road construction method that uses styrofoam.
It is suitable for soft ground, so it may be suitable for Russia.

>>64084901
Losing electrification means they can't use the vast majority of Nork train engines if they start getting really desperate.

>>64085574
>>64089618
They may not be lithium, but lead-acid battery fires are a fucking nightmare. They offgass hydrogen and oxygen into the compartment in a pretty decent combustion mix. They dump toxic, caustic fumes everywhere once they boil off. Un-ignited ones can *very* much explode if you have a bunch of batteries in the same compartment, and acid-water reactions can also dump even more heat, gaseous hydrogen and oxygen onto your fire triangle. If a large battery bank goes into runaway while charging and you don't cut power to it pretty much instantly, you're *fucked*. Again, it's not like a class-4 lithium fire that will merrily burn on its own for a week buried under a beach, or a quarter-full fuel tank, but big battery bank fires are pretty far up there on the brown-trouser index
>t. Navy guy, had to deal with battery fires a couple times.

>>64087294
hey now, that's claiming it's only managerial staff that are affected

>>64093364
Lithium fires are literal nightmares and make my balls shrink up and want to hide somewhere. Apart from being insanely hot and high voltage they get into runaway and off gas Hydrogen Fluoride, just add moisture and its Hydrofluoric acid so your bones turn to jelly snakes and get all bendy. Plus there's plenty of carbon dioxide, sulphides and hydrogen cyanide gasses.
>Somehow the devils that sell these things to the general public told everyone its green and tree friendly transport
>Zoomers standing around filming another burning telsa or e-bike for internet clout
>sheeeit

bump

>>64084275
>Allied strategic bombing
>No focus
There's literally documented manuals of the focus. The Ukrainians are targeting strategic rail infrastructure. These substations are natural bottlenecks and are big impact when lost. They are also harder to fix and replace (especially if any control componentry is hit as Russia swapped over to EU railtech decades ago and lost a ton of rail capability).

Another one

>>64083787
>There's a limit to Western contribution
NATO's economy is 60x bigger than Russia's. The limit to western contribution is far beyond anything Russia can hope to survive.

>>64083808
Ukraine has some of the best farmland on the planet, rivalled only by the North American midwest, and the Donbass region is packed with oil and gas. The whole point of Russia's invasion was they were butthurt that Shell was planning to invest in the region. That's why they sent Girkin and his band of terrorists into the region to destabilize it, so Western corporations wouldn't feel safe moving in. Once it was clear that Ukraine was on the verge of pushing them out, Russia had to move their proper military in before it was too late and Europe replaced Russian oil & gas with Ukrainian oil & gas.

Yes, once Russia is cleared out of the Donbass, the West will absolutely be investing to get those natural resources.

>>64080496 (OP)
Reminder. Russian rail network was standing on the edge of a cliff for years. It's time for them to do a brave step forward.
>inb4 they are simply switching to trucks
on what roads?

>>64083787
my countries aid to Ukraine has cost me about 2000€ a bit more if you where to include the possible resell value of the f-16's we are giving them.
that's less than 700€ a year
that's less than a single month's social security contribution coming out of my pay.
for all I care they can triple it and I won't feel a thing. heck if they take the money from the gibs funds they can give them a tenfold of what they do now.
paying for dead russians does more to improve my life than paying for gibs

>>64095884
>trucks
i remember reading that it shrunk as af even last year

>>64095924
Unfathomably based, and exact same.
Worst comes to worst, maybe I'll go skiing 2 weeks per year instead of 3, but if it's for TZD, it's worth it, all in all it's even cheap fucking cheap.

>>64096009
to think my grandfather had to go to the east front to him some commies.
all I've do is pay for drones and I can rest soundly knowing I've mad the world a better world.
bon nuit mon ami.
laissez vos rêves devenir les cauchemars de vos ennemis

>>64083787
>At best, Russia will abandon Ukraine
This has been the goal literally from day one.
Nobody wants Russian territory. Not even Russians.

>>64092651
Be respectful anon