Thread 64080790

>mozambique drill: two shots to the torso, one to the head
why not just shoot him in the head, that 100% gets the job done.
or at least one in the torso, one in the head
seems unneccesary

I brought all these bullets you can bet I'm going to use them.

>>64080810
I understand, but I'd rather use that ammo for suppression or other shots.
I understand making sure the dude is dead. That's what the headshot is for. But a headshot is foolproof. It doesn't matter if you blast him in the chest once, twice or 20 times before that. Why 2x torso, 1x head when 1x torso 1x head is enough. I call that shit the Mozambique Drill 2.0, New and Improved Version (tm)

>>64080790 (OP)
Mozambique is two QUICK shots to the torso, one SLOW shot to the head. The two quick shots do enough damage to make the target slow his attack enough to give you time to make the head shot that finishes the job. At least that's my understanding.

>>64080790 (OP)
>why not just shoot him in the head, that 100% gets the job done.
hard to hit on thefirst shot the two in the torso cause the target to be less mobile

Isn't it currently considered best practice to keep shooting center mass until the threat is neutralized?

>>64080790 (OP)
Wrote up a whole explanation with shit that took me decades to learn in my professional career, then deleted it because this board engages in censorship. Fuck you notrainings you can die.

>>64081036
And these responses are laughable SHIT lmao, you don't even have the slightest day 1 understanding of this field.

>>64081013
For basic infantry yes, shoot at the center of whatever target is presented

Centermass shots are quick, headshots are decisive, why not both?
Mozambique drill is great against berserkers that may or may not be hyped up on pcp or religious ferver
The technique also translates well to self defense

>>64081036
I get it, been picking up warnings and 3days left and right for talking bad on nogs or Ukraine war tourists

>>64080790 (OP)
>1 in torso, then 1 in the head
That variant is called the Djibouti-Shooty.

>>64081507
No, the Djibouti Shooty is when you shoot them twice in the head and then once in the chest.

This drill is stupid because aiming for the head is probably going to result in a miss. Yeah yeah you can hit that little paper you're shooting at, try hitting it when you're hopped up on adrenaline and you lose all fine motor control in your body. Just mag dump to center mass, don't overcomplicate it

>>64081515
No it isn't, I was there when we decided that Djibouti-Shooty was the economy version of the Mozambique Drill.

>>64080810
go back to your containment thread

I thought the mozambique drill was for cleanup. To make sure the corpses are actually corpses. You're not supposed to do it if the enemy is still combat effective, are you? Or for shooting paper.

"Mozambique drill" is potentially racist so it's best to diversify your language via alternative terms such as "Djibouti shooty" or "Angola holer".

We were taught the modified mozambique, two hammer pairs (back when that was a thing, fuck you, i don't want to hear about your post nissour square ttps) and a decisive shot to the T box

>>64081630
Why would you bother with two shots in the chest for a target you think is probably already dead? You'd presumably be looking at a free and easy headshot in your scenario.

>>64081013
>best practice
By whom? Cops who get a gun put in their hands and told to go ahead?

In the originak cooper telling, the dude shot em twice and his attacker stumbled, caught his breath and kept coming. The head shot is only after you have assed the target needs it.

>>64080790 (OP)
Mozambique drill, and other such concepts, are attempts to McDojo up tactical shooting.

>Invented by a 'secret master of the art' (unnamed spec op)
Check
>Mythological lore detailing the maneuver
Check
>Rigid and sequential like a kata
Check
>Creates a problem it tries to solve
Check

Shooting, unlike martial arts of the old where the success of your strike lies with your opponent lacking a defense or response, is almost entirely in the hands of the striker.

So if you're given 6,000 rounds to train Mozambique, you'll be putting 4,000 of these into an upright close-standing target's largest element, and only 2,000 rounds into the high value target after transitioning.

If you, instead, use these 6,000 rounds to train on two head-sized targets side by side and one over the other, you're putting all of these 6,000 rounds into targeting and hitting the skull, after transitioning from another skull, which will both improve your ability to target small high value targets and transitioning between them in a much speedier manner.

And you'll be able to pull off Mozambique Drill by simple virtue of having better marksmanship and transition fundamentals.

>>64085844
I think the point is two shots predictively on a large target and then a single shot reactively on a small target

I can do it in about 1.74-2s from concealment at 5-7 yards. What about you?

>>64085881
I think the point is that you're training to land 2 ineffective shots in 'easy' condition, spending time to appraise your ineffectiveness, and then trying to perform a 'hard' shot, which you've spent only 1/3 of your round count on training. As opposed to using 3/3 of your ammo training the hard shot to grow generally as a shooter.

>What about you?
I don't train Mozambique. Split into one gong's bullseye then shift 4 feet to the next gong, and back and forth take me 1.6s from a standing position.

>>64085935
Are your gongs the size of a head?

>>64085999
The bullseye is about 6" which is close to the head of an adult male. You can also train on IPSC A-zone which has the same width, but about twice the height. Count hits outside of bullseye/a-zone as misses.

what leads to the scenario where your best option is to cowboy style quickdraw on your target? I'd spend the time training to avoid that scenario.

>>64086063
Almost all of them
If you are shooting at someone it is because they are an immediate danger to you
Only exception is if you are on the right side of an ambush/sniping

>>64086079
concealed/open carry incels kneel before gun in hand chads.

>>64086043
So you are putting in 6000 rounds for slightly smaller than chest sized A zones, head boxes are smaller still, why aren't you spending all your shots shooting at head boxes?

>>64080810
Two in the torso and then dump the rest of the mag into his head. It's the only way to be sure.

>>64086086
Even in hand, you are still pulling it on target as quick as possible to get those first shots off

>>64086092
>Tell him I train on a 6" bullseye which is SMALLER than the head
>Suggest that you can also substitute with A-zone of IPSC target which is only slightly taller than a human head
>He spergs out and asks why I'm not training on a head-sized target, which would be larger than my target since adult human head is usually 6x8 inches.
Are you schizophrenic or something

>>64086115
>adult human head is usually 6x8 inches
But glancing shots don't count, most Mozambique training is done on ipsc targets, you are saying that practicing torso shots is a waste because they are not the most difficult, but the "headshots" you practice are not much smaller than the torso target area and much larger than the ipsc headbox target area

>>64086163
>glancing shots don't count
The fuck? If there's two 9x19 gold dots in a target smaller than adult human head, it's not a glancing shot, it's skull in pieces.
>but the "headshots" you practice are not much smaller than the torso target area and much larger than the ipsc headbox target area
IPSC headbox A+B target area is 15x15 or just under 6x6 inches... Exactly like my bullseye.

>practicing torso shots is a waste
Yes, because IPSC target's CHEST areas is A+C and even parts of D and B, since it represents shoulder-to-shoulder width.

In fact that's the main setup of the Mozambique Drill - you put it into his chest twice but failed to strike the A zone - heart for immediate faint or spine for immediate paralysis, so now you must strike the A+B of the head to damage the brain (part of which is behind his face, behind the eyes) or spinal column (again, behind his face on jaw level and in the neck).

So, again, the hell?

>>64085935
> I think the point is that you're training to land 2 ineffective shots in 'easy' condition, spending time to appraise your ineffectiveness, and then trying to perform a 'hard' shot, which you've spent only 1/3 of your round count on training. As opposed to using 3/3 of your ammo training the hard shot to grow generally as a shooter.
No. Two shots in a 0.2 split which are either two shots from a single sight picture or just by index then a shot to a USPSA head box.

This isn’t a combat drill, this is a shooting drill

>>64086331
>It's not a combat drill
Matter of fact it is presented as a combat drill, given that the origin of it is a shooting of a man in combat, and the purpose of it is utilitarian 'elimination of a threat' based on appraisal of his up/down state, not 'score enough points' or 'improve marksmanship'.

BUT EVEN IF you assume that you're training it for sports purposes, which is its own can of worms, training this drill specifically is inefficient.

Training Mozambique
>Land two shots in A+C box, any combination
>Transition to a fixed target upward, land one shot in A+B box, any combination
2 out of 3 shots you'll fire are on an 'easy' target, then you follow up with a specific transition upward towards 'hard' target. The result is kata-like maneuver that is extremely rigid, and forces you to spend 2 out of 3 rounds on a 'satisfactory' result of chest A+C, which is no help in hitting a much harder target of head A+B.

Training splits on 6" bullseye or A-box only.
>Land two shots in effective A+B head box/A chest box/6" bullseye, any combination
>Transition to the second target of the same size, land same two shots
>Change target positions and elevations to challenge your transition speed and accuracy
4 out of 4 shots you fire are on a smaller, head-esque target, and then a random transition. The scoring only applies to what would be equivalent to A-chest and A+B head on mozambique, calling for a tighter group on the splits, AND calling for a split on the small part as well, for 4 shots total.

If you train only bullseye, you improve yourself generally as a shooter AND get better at Mozambique Drill simultaneously.

>>64086448
No, both shots to the A zone in the chest on a USPSA and then the 3x5 A zone box on the head.

If it’s easy, move the target further away.

I have always though that training the Mozambique on a static target is odd because the dude you just shot twice in the chest is going to have moved or fallen by the time you go to shoot him in the head.

>>64086475
>both shots to the A zone in the chest
This is actually not Mozambique specifically because the drill is called 'Failure To Stop', where your classic center mass (which is A+C) fails to stop the hostile, so you take a deliberate shot to the head to finish him off.

If you can consistently strike A-zone, you're already striking his heart and spine, so there's no failure to stop here (body armor yadda yadda). What's more interesting is that you're already striking a 15x28 zone, so you should be entirely capable of striking A+B of the head on first try and with a split.

With that in mind, you have no reason to train mozambique as you've already achieved sufficient marksmanship for it, and training transitions on 6" is more challenging and thus more productive, as you need to do two splits AND the second target's position is varied.

>>64086509
It's a failure to stop drill, and originally presented with the third shot being a deliberate aiming at the skull, not a reflexive shot, explicitly because your hostile is likely going places, and his head is also moving, so any sort of drilled shift of point of aim is likely to result in a miss, and the deliberate moment you give yourself to aim is there to improve your chances of a hit.

Sportstards train an entirely different thing but call it mozambique simply because of a passing familiarity. They'll even argue that a shot into A+B area of the head doesn't rate for a 'headshot', you gotta score in the A of the head, despite it only covering like 20% of an actual human's brain.

>>64086512
I used to Mozambique from no mag in open slide and time myself. It wasn't the most amazing drill, but I liked it a lot as it taught you smooth deliberate actions when loading and then proper pacing on your shots. That being said I used to shoot 250rds a week every week for a couple of years training my hand gun skills.

>>64086512
I don’t train failure to stop since the only people who say that seem to be total faggots. It’s called the Mozambique drill. All shots to a USPSA A zone.

>>64086574
Hey, that's cool, improving handling is always good, and if you had fun doing it, even better.

I'm just trying to point out that if you have a drill of two targets, 15x28 (A chest zone) and 3x5 (A head zone), and 6,000 rounds to train it, firing 4,000 rounds into 15x28 and 2,000 rounds into 3x5 is silly when you can just fire 6,000 rounds into 3x5 zone and improve both your 3x5 and your 15x28 performance, and take care of transition by going inbetween two 3x5 targets, rather than from 15x28 to 3x5, since its the miss on 3x5 section that ends the drill in failure regardless of your 15x28 performance.

>>64086596
>>64086601

Everyone has a different response to an attack. (A situation when you are in enough danger to warrant shooting someone.) Being shot at, having a gun pointed at you is not like other stressful situations. Very much like being able to handle high stress competition does not mean you can handle messy emergency medical situations.
All in all I believe picking a point of aim and sticking with it until the target stops is the best practice. Usually the high chest/back, low neck area can be hit from most angles and results in a quick stoppage with the lowest number of shots.

>>64086448
Trying this later

>>64086601
I don’t think we are taking about the same thing, both 15x28 shots are speed where the second shot is predictive and not reactive. Where you bring the muzzle down and fire without looking at the sight/target relationship. Then you switch to a different target as a reactive shot where you wait for the sight/dot to appear on the head before firing.

If you were only shooting the 3x5s then what is the par time or splits to aim for? An expert shooter can clear the Mozambique as I was describing in 1.5s from the holster.

>>64080790 (OP)
Body shots slow target down.
Do you even play Counter Strike, n00b?