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Why is literally every single item issued in the French army and utter piece of shit?
Bdus suck, the gilet is a torture device, sleeping bags are bulky heavy and not even warm, assault pack uncomfortable, don't even have an actual ruck they buy a shitass bergaus off the market, uncomfortable af, no evwcs system equivalent, they give you a 90s tier undershirt and pants, a HUGE fleece that fills up your entire pack by itself, goretex jacket and pants, altough the zipper on the jackets broke very often so the quality is shit, and that's it no other evwcs type stuff, the only decent gear is the combat shirt, boots are decent, and that's it, the helmet is half decent it's an aramid helmet low cut with alot of retarded shit you'll never use attached on it as "modernization" such as side rails etc which only make it heavier and nobody ever uses them.

>>64081756
The gloves are fine too

>>64081756
> Why is literally every single item issued in the French army and utter piece of shit?
It's malicious compliance. They're just waiting for the day they can resurrect the medieval maiden's combat skirt and headdress.

>>64081827
To be fair the Russians are fielding Jinwudun IIIA skirts. It's not an awful idea.

Scrims: Ope or Beez?

>>64081756
They are expected to surrender well before they have to use any of the gear

>>64082006
Nothing wrong with DIY. Going to be cheaper if you plan on scrimming anything bigger than just 1 helmet, and you can customize. With DIY you can do things like scrim up a boonie which is cool if you aren't caring about a helmet. DIY can also get classically roughed up to remove the artificial sheen every piece of new gear has.
The downside is you can't compress it all down to a little pocket carry, but if you're a scrim autismo and want to take it off you can roll it and attach it to the bottom or side of a pack when you don't want it

>>64081660 (OP)
Why would he paint an MP5 that’s only going to be used in urban combat?

>>64082446
Does anyone sell nir scrim sheets?

>>64082491
An old NIR compliant uniform would work. Spraypaint the inside before you cut it up to ensure the inside looks good both naked eye and NIR. For ghille threads I've done a classic mud bath and drag through the dirt for every scrim thing I've made and through my admittedly older gen NV it doesn't pop out to me.

Speaking of chink repros, for example if I buy a crye pack backpanel chink repro how close it to the real deal? Cause I'm not spending 200 eurodollars for that ballsack


>jerven fjelldunken/sarma thermal blanket

Is this type of shit (weather resistant woobie) the ultimate field sleeping system?

>>64082552
What's the brand you're getting it from?

>>64082653
Don't know the chink brands that's why I'm asking

>pc + belt kit setup
for motor/mech infantrymen conducting assaults, but also fine for holding positions, it is not a sustainment belt kit for long patrols

>pc (crye avs+neck+cummerbund+dick flap soft armor)

FRONT
-Shaw arc placard w/ quad ar insert, can swap to an ak insert (would the 7.62 placard still hold 556 pmags securely enough, if so it could be streamlined)
-blue force gear tenspeed triple mounted on the placard, left empty but affords expansion, these are quick reload mags, the rest are stored on the belt
-ferro sandwich pouch behind the placard (avs has a velcro kangaroo thing to secure placards) for maps range cards and other papers
-atak holder (if I'm even using it)
BACK
-bladder pouch
RIGHT CUMMERBUND
-front: Gp pouch (batteries, compass, pen, multitool, protractor, duct tape, zip ties, weapon cleaning kit)
-rear: nvg pouch with cleaning pen

>belt (crye high back blast belt + jayjays under armor suspenders)

LEFT
-2x double taco pouches (so they can hold both ar and ak)/otherwise I'd put 2 of some larger mag pouch that can hold 3 mags, I like templars gear flapped, they got inserts to keep the mags from moving around once you remove one, problem is i think ak mags won't fit in the ar pouches especially with inserts, and ar in ak pouches will sink and rattle
RIGHT
-grenade pouches (seems to be too low capacity as 5 molle rows will only hold 2 2x2 frag pouches, i havent yet found a good way to carry more frags, on 3 molle rows you put one on top of the other, the bottom one attached on only one molle row, but the belt has only 2 rows, could use some kind of gp or mag pouch to hold more but they'll rattle)
BACK
-ifak(direct action horizontal, can be accessed both sides and quickly.ripped out, good capacity to hold all you need in an ifak)

>1/2

>>64083162

Tqs in pockets in the front of the cummerbund, 1x side, and 1x shoulder pocket

All the rest like a jacket, food (besides snacks and small stuff in cargo pockets), canteen, woobie, shovel goes into the assault pack, although the goal is to put weight on the belt and with a pack it goes back on your shoulders and back

Im well aware there's better belt kits around with sewn pouches but I'm fixed on this one because it's the only ome with ballistic protection

Will a ferro 3 ac small or medium fit in the avs chassis cummerbund? They got the same velcro type attachment

>2/2

>>64083168
With enough imagination you can do anything! I fitted a axl equinox cummerbund to a husar kirys

Im looking for an assault pack that can double as a "patrol pack", that's to say i can use it to put in the bare essentials for an assault, not fill it much, and cinch it down, or fill it more if I need sustainment for multiple days + in cold weather you got layers and sleep system in there, all in one pack. This way you cover 70% of your needs, since you'll rarely bust out the huge ass rucksacks.

>mystery ranch 3dap + gp pouches on the side
+comfortable af (although that's without armor, idk how the thick straps and futura yoke interface with pcs)

>savotta kantamus + side pouches

>camelbak bfm

Im looking for an assault pack that can double as a "patrol pack", that's to say i can use it to put in the bare essentials for an assault, not fill it much, and cinch it down, or fill it more if I need sustainment for multiple days + in cold weather you got layers and sleep system in there, all in one pack. This way you cover 70% of your needs, since you'll rarely bust out the huge ass rucksacks.

>mystery ranch 3dap + gp pouches on the side

>savotta kantamus + side pouches

>camelbak bfm

>>64083404
Mind you this'll be used with body armor

I

Serious question

Which materials for clothing are the quietest? When I wear my active headphones my plastic clothing (polyster, etc) all sound super fucking loud, almost like paper being crinkled.

>>64083404
>platatac spur

Forgot about this one

>>64083404
You can probably get away with a pack that has wide enough side molles and slap on 2x long hydration pouches that can fit the 100oz bladders and repurpose them from there.

>>64083424
wool, cotton.
in that order everything is worse.
Source;
raised by fudds

>>64081010
Rule of thumb for repros is that if it relies heavily on the actual qualities of the material (e.g. Airlite, tenspeed, tegris, etc.), then buy the real deal. If it’s just a pouch (looking at you, Spiritus), just get the chinkshit
Actual rifle accessories? No fucking chance

>>64080452
>helmet accessories
Sidewinder Stalk and p. much nothing else

>>64077896
>how much noise
You wouldn’t want to do any actual movements in it, so it kinda disqualifies it as a poncho/rain layer in that use case
>durability
The grommets and stitching are excellent ofc but the fabric’s denier count is just very low to save weight. It’s sold for alpine hunting, but sitting in an aggregate outcropping watching for game, you’ll wear through the seat quicker than you’d like.
>NIR
I agree that this is not as big of a concern as most people make it, but I got this thing as something to throw on at/over an OP and know I’m good on every light spectrum. It’s worth pointing out that it’s not its best usage

I will say the arm holes are fantastic and a step well above any basha I’ve used

Also, Swagman’s multicam skew is compliant (only pattern that is, ask me how I know)
I’ve been looking at the Sarma as well, looks promising. Luckily won’t have to go heavier with my current environment

>>64081756
Yeah, gotta say, Felin smocks fucking suck

I need some advice on how to improve the "kit".
It is:
>M81 woodland jacket and pants
>PASGT helmet
>PASGT vest
>BP derringer (I'm Californian)
>Bayonet
>KABAR
>Gloves
>The father, son, and holy spirit

Not pictured
>airgun (again, Californian)
>extra Russian kevlar plate (IIIA I believe)
>2 QT and 1 QT canteen
>ALICE backpack
>Romanian M74 gas mask
>MCU 2/p gas mask
>bandolier
>expired condoms
>old CB radio

Current budget is around 400 dollars, or that's what I'm willing to spend

>>64082552
If it's Emerson Gear or PewPew Tactical chances are it's made better than the real deal lol

>>64083967
>I'm Californian
The fuck does that have to do with anything?
My wife's little sister lives in San Francisco and she's got a Px4 sitting in her nightstand.

>>64083967
>The father, son, and holy spirit
you are good anon! nothing else needed

>>64083967
budget is tight. A couple suggestions.
1. A set of Hesco 4403s plus a really cheap carrier (hit up China) to go over the PASGT. This blows your budget by about $60-80. Drop the Hescos to a set of LAPG full-coverage and you're at $290 for the plates and $60-80 for the carrier. PASGT will provide frag and the plates - while thick as hell - prevent merking from most rifle threats.
2. A clamp-on rail kit for the PASGT ($60) plus a used NVG-30 off ebay for $150-200. This is digital NV and strictly inferior to most analog but it at least gives you options at night. Save up $250 in a few months, add an HFXC to the airgun. Boom, now you can op3r4t3 at night.
3. Pick up some deltoid / groin armor off ebay, $70.
4. Cheap used ballistic shield off ebay, IIIA, so you can mount and blade with your kabar, parry the enemy, and riposte the home invader. Awkward to use but much faster to put on than a vest and greater coverage.

>>64084761
I have plenty of Californian friends and they're all armed with real guns too, lmao. It's not that difficult. You only need a firearms safety course as far as I'm aware.

>>64083967
This is somehow worse than that retarded Italian kid that bought shit like surplus plate carriers (with no plates) and $500 backpacks but never bought a gun.

>>64084952
Whatever happened to that guy?

>>64083447
Have a spur, its nice.
But its a bit big for a patrol pack unless you need to pack heaps of insulation/ancillary gear.

>>64085194
He's out in the woods of italy in his bunker.

>>64085234
With no guns? What's his'a plan when the spaghetti raiders come in to steal his empty plate'a'carriers?

>>64084952
>retarded Italian kid that bought shit like surplus plate carriers (with no plates)
>with no plates
Man, makes me feel bad for having a stack of 6 Italian army surp UHMWPE plates in my basement.

>>64085291
You know how in medieval times/style people used to pour burning tar on the attackers from above? That but with tomato sauce.

>>64085320
Vincezo! You'a need to sell him two plates that cannot stop'a the mild steel core! It izza betta than nothing!

>>64085324
But Vito, he's below the enemy in his coom bunker!

>>64085194
I think the j-pop posting Russian/Ukrainian (unclear) guy bullied him into leaving

>>64085327
Nooo. I need them to do something dumb armor my kids crib or fit them inside my car doors.

Want to larp as a sniper, what's the best gear for under a ghillie hood and belly crawling?
Was thinking flc with mag pouches on the sides

>>64083967
Jump through whatever hoops you need to to get a real gun
Don't waste money on anything until then

>>64085865
Split front chest rig since you can unbuckle it.

>>64085929
Flc is split front too

>>64082485
Still breaks up the black silhouette that’s engrained into the human brain. More important question is why does he have a drop leg that’s practically at his knees, and why does the other guy (presumably a point man w/ the visor) just have a drone hanging by a chunk of webbing

>>64082510
This is the way to do it

>>64083404
This is just the stated purpose of your basic bitch 3-day pack (LBT, Tactical Tailor, Blackhawk, etc). Most of those are overkill, esp. >>64083447

>>64083967
Suicide vest

>>64085865
Split front anything. The FLC obviously works.
You didn't ask, but if you're truly LARPing with a crawling setup you'll want to modifiy your outfit. I suggest old school BDUs or current USMC uniforms since those are a bit heavier weight and construction than ACU cut stuff. Get some duck canvas and stitch (or if you are shit and lazy shoe goo) some canvas on the shins and lower legs. Seal the edges with shoe goo even if yo stitched it. You can do the same to the chest but if it's just LARP and you're wearing a vest eh. Your pants are going to drag so you'll probably want suspenders.

>>64086036
I get the feeling these guys are at some kind of PR expo so the loadouts are more to impress normies compared to what they'd actually use. Somebody probably told that guy he needs a visible drone on his gear to show it off.

Savotta kantamus 40L yes or no?

What's the best leatherman multitool for a rifleman/machine gunner?

>>64086545
>What's the best leatherman multitool for a rifleman/machine gunner?
Whatever the most common cheap gerber you have access to is. And then lanyarding it to your belt. Cast tools on them are useless for prying so you should supplement with a small pry or flathead screwdriver.

>>64086556
Why

>>64084761
I don't wanna own a cucked rifle or pay 800 schmacks for an SKS. Simple as. Also I plan on leaving the state so it wouldn't really be worth it

>>64084764
Based

>>64084859
Pretty good suggestions, although I hate digital night vision.

I have used an NVG-30 that a friend has and the lag was to an extent I could feel it was wrong but not exactly, like when audio is misaligned with a video. Also staring at a screen an inch from your face is really bad after about 3 hours but it could just be me.

Also I have some PNV-57E's, so I have something in the NODs department

>>64084952
>What's all this shit?
>Empty plate carriers and backpacks
>False sense of security
>Lot of money in this shit
Also I'm not entirely nogunz, I have the tactical derringer.

>>64085915
Same reasons as >>64084761

>>64086036
I'm not a kebab

>>64086593
Because they dont hold up and you will unclip one to loan it to someone, poof gone.
Or are you asking why a prybar ?

>>64085840
I like your style. Unconventional use of armor plates is a good idea. I'm gonna bungee cord a cheap ESAPI or something to a IIIA shield I just picked up.

You could probably get a pair of Rev. A ESAPIs cheap for $300. Remember your tap and torque tests. They need better soft armor than what you have to make rating but can likely still handle basic 5.56 / 7.62x39 threats in front of functional PASGT. They will be much lighter than 4403s or LAPG edge to edge.

>>64085840
I like your style. Unconventional use of armor plates is a good idea. I'm gonna bungee cord a cheap ESAPI or something to a IIIA shield I just picked up.
>>64086607
You could probably get a pair of Rev. A ESAPIs cheap for $300. Remember your tap and torque tests. They need better soft armor than what you have to make rating but can likely still handle basic 5.56 / 7.62x39 threats in front of functional PASGT. They will be much lighter than 4403s or LAPG edge to edge.

>>64086704
I will take your advice, but not forget this >>64086695 blunder

Also, the PASGT stopped a 9mm at 5 yards. I also saw some ESAPI plates at the swap meet but skipped out on them

>>64086767
Very fair, I forgot to (you) you.
How much were they asking for the ESAPIs? Condition and revision are the big two issues with those.

>>64083967
what the hell is stopping your ass from getting a 1911?

>>64086815
He started at 600, I tried haggling him to 200 but the lowest he went was 450. I guess I couldn't pass the speech check that time. The plates did look a little scuffed though.

>>64086830
Already have the Abe Killer 1865

>>64086837
If they're scuffed $600 is steep. With ESAPIs and especially XSAPIs you gotta account for the risk of CID showing up to try and take your shit without compensation.
$450 would be good if they had a recent inspection date and were G or later.

>>64086864
I don't know why I couldn't pass the speech check and get those plates. Unstoppable force meets immovable object. He also had some helmets and soft armor plates but I didn't care for those

How much does the military care if you "lose" some plates? I know they come if you have something like stolen NODs. Anyone have the screencap of when that anon got his stolen PVS-7 taken by the Gestapo?

>>64087072
They care. Not as much as NODs or a weapon, but at the bare minimum you'll be paying out of pocket to replace any plates you lost or "lost". Anything assigned to you from CIF that isn't a piece of clothing either gets returned or you pay for it, and you're paying some bullshit inflated price so it's not like you can steal the gear and then flip it for profit.

>>64087098
I know if you're in the military and you "lose" gear they charge you but when it is in private civilian hands does the military still care? Like I know they won't come after you for a canteen cover but they will for an M240 Bravo, but where along that do they just say "fuck it"

>>64087132
The military distinguishes between sensitive items (guns, night vision, radios, highly expensive + semi-secret things) you have to sign for at an armory, and everything else.
Night vision and radios = they will send cops to your house
Everything else (like plates) = they don't care and don't know

>>64087172
It depends on the plates. They don't care about twenty year old SAPIs. They do care about ESAPIs if you're sloppy, CID has knocked doors with ebay about that. XSAPIs, SOCOM plates newer than GEN-4B, tend to be hotter and run more risks.
I think the new GEN-5B plates, ITSAs, and anything standalone X-threat are the only plates you really gotta be careful with.

>>64087217
And we live in a "free" country

>>64087227
Here's a rule of thumb. If it's better than anything sold to the public by LTC, Hesco, or Tencate (Integris), it's gonna be at least a little hot. They only care about stuff that has sensitive capabilities and/or can be reverse engineered to gain capabilities.
REV. J ESAPI and XSAPI up to rev C are probably fine. VTP/TEP plates are a touch iffy. XSAPI REV. D probably needs to be bought using silk road rules (hottest plates except for ITSA after GEN 2, the secret service PULV variant, the rumored 1lb SOCOM all-PE plate possibly related to the all-PE VelSys ultralight PULV variant, and SOCOM X-threat standalone). The new USMC Lite plates aren't super special and probably fine.

There's also a new LSAPI made by Hardwire that's distinct from the older LSAPI which is probably reaaaal hot.

>>64087072
You'll get another shot. Lurk on tacswap for another pair. I'll probably get a roached but tap-torque passing Rev. A for my bungee cord poorfag shield so the better plates are left to you, for now.

If I want garbage plates that are sized and cut SAPI size, but weigh as much or more (more is ok within reason) and I don't care if they are actually protective what's the best idea? I want to throw a set in a backup plate carrier specifically for hiking and rucking around in.

>>64087433
https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-level-iv-ballistic-armor-plate.html

A pair of these are only $240. Probably your best bet. They're not NIJ certified and are 13 lbs for both.

>>64087470
If they're just for training Wolf Tactical and 5.11 have weighted training plates for half that.
If you need them to maybe work buy the full edge to edge LAPG plates, not those. Those are cheat ringed and have 9x11 protection on a 10x12.

>>64087478
I just posted the cheapest plates I could find. My assumption is that he wanted some kind of actual ballistic plate, rather than just a training plate.

>>64087487
All good. LAPG is B+-grade Chinesium and only a cut below Militech so they aren't bad. Preferable to RMA probably.

>>64087493
LAPG is usually cheat ringed.
Still better than RMA, though. Even the Shitalian plates are better than RMA.

>>64087798
Yes but their cheat rings are smaller than RMA's old cheat rings. 9x11 on their normal Level IV is preferable to 8x10 on the 1189 and gen-1 1199. Unlike RMA, they also didn't omit mention of the 1189's cheat ring for five years. RMA released the 1189 in 2013 and didn't mention the ring until 2018 after they were called out on Arfcom.
LAPG's full coverage edge to edge Level IV is lighter than the 1155, only a little more expensive, and surely much more robust. 1.5" thick though, Alumina + PE. The high thickness makes me think it might be useful if we need to defend the mayor's nephew from .338 Lapua. That's a lot of PE backer. The 1155 is fiberglass-backed like a vietnam throwback.

>>64085720
damn

>>64089698
The retard contributed nothing except endless questions about shit you could Google in 5 seconds. He probably went to back Reddit (where he came from originally). Probably posting about expired QuikClot or whatever the fuck.

>>64089715
Sounds like he uses rhino rescue tqs

Where can I get a anti thermal suit or something similar

>>64089914
ebay

>>64089896
Nah, from what I remember he bought expired US IFAK's or some shit lmao. I'd have more respect for a guy in Europe using Rhino Rescue than doing that.
(btw, Rhino now have EMA certs and is widely in use all over European EMS so...take that however you will).

>>64089914
Budget and use case?
For low budget protection from drone thermal I recommend an umbrella, spray painted and covered in scrim

>>64089956
>umbrella
While this is indeed anti thermal, there is suddenly an umbrella shaped object in the thermal image which almost makes you more obvious than the white glowing human.

>>64089960
That's what the scrim is for, to break up the umbrella outline

>>64089962
The umbrella is going to be rifle weight by the time you successfully break up the outline. They're an incredibly unnatural shape and material in nature.

>>64089956
Guy shot a cop and got away only to be found by thermal drone

They sell $200 gnome suits on ebay that are like ponchos. Better shape than an umbrella but they're dubious and likely to cause heat cat.
Higher dollar solutions are the Fibrotex and proapto stuff.

>>64090006
Thermal is defeated by going innnawoods and hiding between leaves. The thicker the vegetation the better.

>>64090034
How can we bring innawoods to other places?

>>64090090
This is like the plot of some anime.
>I planted these trees here a thousand years ago in preparation for our current altercation

>>64090034
>Thermal is defeated by going innnawoods and hiding between leaves. The thicker the vegetation the better.
Thermal is defeated by going innacity and hiding amongst people.

>>64090155
Extra based. Become the mole people

>>64090155
That is true!

>>64090155
>voluntarily going into a surveillance-dense environment
Hate this meme

>>64090258
Rural areas are just as surveillance dense with drones and sats. Mole tunnels man. Freedom spoon your way between the safehouses.

>>64090274
>>64090258
I work in a sector that does a very large amount of public surveillance via video cameras. I can tell you, the easiest way to avoid being seen on camera is to make sure you're wearing the most non-descript clothing as possible. I can't tell you how impossible it is to find a white male, wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans. Solid colors hide the best, anything with a design makes it easier. Things such as hats, sunglasses, any kind of bag, any bright colored clothing, even boots make you stand out.

>>64090274
Nigger that is just demonstrably false
I’m all for Viet Conging it, but let’s be reasonable

>>64090686
The ATF goes to the boondocks daily, but is afraid of the inner city. You know this to be true.
It is much easier to hide among thousands than ten from overhead Raytheon thermal imagers and NRO hyperspectral satellites.
- Shit Tzu

>>64090790
We’re presumably talking about war-time engagements. I agree that ending up in the inner city *between* engagements is acceptable, even ideal under certain circumstances, but if you’re engaging a superior force inside city limits in any first-world country, especially one that you’re a citizen of, you’re burned. Unavoidable if the entire grid isn’t down first.
You’re not engaging the ATF in this scenario, or even the FBI. Biometrics are what you need to worry about in an urban insurgency today, this isn’t ‘80s Belfast

Not sure if this could be considered gear, but im looking to buy knee pads for my wagie job. Any recommendations? Currently considering pic rel

>>64090932
Buy work pants that have slots for knee pads and just cut a piece of foam and stick it in there or buy some inserts. These over-the-pant type with straps will drive you nuts in 2 hours flat.

>>64081660 (OP)
why is the guy on the right standing like a japanese schoolgirl?

>>64090932
Arcteryx kneepads
FR FR

>>64081660 (OP)
No one ever turns that Tasmanian Tiger IFAK the correct way on their belt, lmao (middle guy).

>>64090932
perfect kneepads for tactical blowjobs

>>64090932
like other anon said, you ever actually wear strapped knee or elbow pads for like a while? it's awful.. like equally awful to kneeling on hard shit it sucks ass

I actually don't have a good answer it's something I dont have but I would do what he said and get some decent pants with inserts and then get THOSE kneepad inserts instead

it'll be so much more comfortable bro trust, also you'll look less gay which is like 80% of the point here

>>64090932
budget-wise, you can go to your local surplus store or trading outpost(whatever the name is in your local area) and find cheap pads. Usually its the USGI surplus kneepads that are about $20 a pair. Varies by vendor.

>>64090970
>>64091029
Thanks for the responses, I'll be getting some pants then
>>64090988
>military sales only
Why
>>64090996
Pic

Ferro 3AC soft armor on crye avs harness?

You can physically attach it but will a size M armor properly fit on a size M harness and be comfortable? Or will it just attach then suck and be uncomfortable and you'll take it off

>>64091122
>Why
Funny
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326716547941
These are fantastic kneepads
Ones built into pants are nice but eventually the pants will bunch/scrunch and you will eat one right to the kneecap.

>>64091122
>military sales only
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>>64091122
>Pic
women are soldiers now.
it's time to accept it chud.

Is this carinthia HIG legit or fake

>>64091150
With ebay you can buy anything

>>64091462
I'm not sure

>>64090932
Sellstroms

>pants
Only if you’re fucking disgusting yuro quasi-faggot who makes their neon “I do flooring for a living” attire into a fashion statement

>>64090988
No

>>64091136
Get the Crye 6x12s, retard

>>64091824
Looks like those bullshit Agilite "robocop" ones that everybody hates.

>>64091824
lmafo posting that shit

>>64091841
>didn’t read the OP
Thank you trust fundie
AS YOU KNOW, Arc pads last about two days of up-downs. I’m helping a nigga with his gotdamn employment

>>64091830
What is with you retards and illiteracy

>>64091854
Arc pads rock, I know several people who use them for building pools without failures and pairs have lasted forever for me.

You're an idiot

>>64091854
ur smokin crack dude my leaf pads have taken years of abuse innayard no issues

>>64091878
I’m sure it’s great for your garden, dood

>>64091869
Idk what to say to you, man. A full-coverage, hard-front insulative pad is going to be more applicable than an “operator” slick shit foamie with a quarter the coverage. It’s cool you want to be a know-it-all, I just didn’t think it extended into fields you have no experience in

>>64091854
>Sellstroms
> What is with you retards and illiteracy
See picrel.
Who knocked off who? They look the same.
Also, they absolutely suck. You'd have to be retarded to wear them unironically. (As opposed to wearing them ironically as part of an IDF larp, complete with diapers and Chef Boyardee hat.)

>>64091970
>pic related
Those look like dogshit alright.

>>64091975
They are dogshit. But they also appear to be 100% identical to Sellstroms, possibly even made in the same Chinese factory. (Agilite rep: "N-nooo, they're made in muh based Vietnam!!")

Absolute most practical med kit that can fit in a grenade pouch? Empty space on my chicom vest needs filling.

Anyone know where l should be looking for decent priced molle 2 woodland ruck components? So far l just have the main pack

>>64091168
the sexually relief isnt worth the drama they bring, just stick some porno mags in the latrine

>>64091970
why the fuck would you make kneepads that have moving parts like that??

>>64092480
because the knee it attaches to also has moving parts.

>>64092671
I feel kneepads like that would have problems with dexterity, especially if you're crawling through mud where it could jam it up

>>64092671
statistically speaking, that thing will break way sooner than kneepads for the average tradesman

>>64092777
I feel the only reason people buy shit like that is to look and feel cool, I mean they look like something a Roman Warrior would have. But it's always like

>thing
>thing, tactical

Tested out a garbage tier Amazon leaf suit the other day, honestly better than I was expecting. It's definitely worth it to buy a sokl or stalker leaf suit, the quality of the mesh and leaf variation is vastly superior.

>>64092808
Trash. I can literally see you in the picture.

>>64092833
He's not in the picture.

>>64092808
I thought it would take me at least a good second, at least go prone but I guess that would spur the results. Anyway shit suit, I hope you didn't pay more then 5 bucks

>>64092808
would trick a deer or inattentive troops /10

>>64092859
Just for deer, I might wear it on a hunt sometime, but I agree it's not great.

>>64092855
Yeah in the autumn I'll try the sokl suit and actually hide and post my results. I wanted to see what the shitty one looked like with minimal concealment here.

>>64092333
4 inch PerSys T3 Israeli Bandage or a 4 inch OLAES, roll of tape if there's space left.

>>64093404
If you have a vacuum sealer you can also DIY these rather easily. Flat fold an ACE wrap and Z fold some Kerlix, maybe add a pair of gloves in there and vacuum seal it all in a ziploc bag. Most cost effective blowout kit that "tactical medicine" companies don't want you to know.

>>64081660 (OP)
>the big dumper
who makes dumpers that are mask sized?

>>64092808
Dont listen to the other anons, I hate when companies try to sell you their camo and do their promo photos behind 10 trees. Put it in front of a thing you want to blend in with - I guess it could work okayish in dense leafy forest.

>>64093453
That's not really mask sized but it's a Tasmanian Tiger dump pouch MkII. Pretty sure all the gear in that pic is Tasmanian Tiger, actually.

>>64083404
The mystery ranch 3DAP is deff a bit large. You can try and force it into that role but it’s always going to be a larger pack no matter how much you cinch it down. I do really like that pads that give you standoff for a PC though.

>>64092808
A proper jack pyke suit isnt that expensive
Its not NIR but desu majority of these suits arent either

>>64083404
tad fastpack litespeed + transporter tail. i think they are 22L?

Opinions on rolltop backpack closure (like savotta kantamus) vs ananas closure (mr satl)

>>64093482
why would you wear full camo then stand in the open?

>>64094251
I thought the new jack pyke suits were just rebranded Chinese stuff now?

I have just discovered the counter to thermals

Field jacket+space blanket

>>64096112
did you though? and you've tested this against thermals to verify, because certainly nobody else has thought of this before and tested it?

>>64094345
I got a camelbak hawg for the strictly assault pack role and it works fine (unless you're in cold environments), but I'm missing a patrol pack and a ruck, potentially the patrol pack can double as a bigger assault pack.
My picks for the patrol pack would be the savotta kantamus + gp pouches or a mr 3dap + pouches, the kantamus can actually be used as a ruck if you put 2 gp pouches on the side and another 2 gp on the front, so it could fill both roles if you really wanted, otherwise for the big ruck role I'd buy a mr blackjack 80, problem is finding this shit for a good price since they don't sell them in Europe unless it's on varuste for 1600 euros.

The issued backpacks are absolute shit so if you don't want to suffer the entirety of your field ex you need to buy your own and hope you don't get raped for having something different.
Same goes for jackets and cold weather gear in general, light winter jackets do not exist so I got to buy my own. Sleeping bag exists but it's giant and heavy and doesn't even keep you warm.
If you want to have any decent shit you have to pay for it, I've used issued stuff for months and months so I can assure of it's shittiness

Problem is there's no market for gear in Europe so the only brand making jackets is carinthia and there's no used market, all American stuff is tacticool and rare so it's expensive, same for packs

>>64096287
>did you though
yeah
>because certainly nobody else has thought of this before and tested it?
yeah

>>64096112
>>64096287
I've actually tested this and space blankets don't work worth a damn. They heat up too easily.

>>64096478
It's so over.

What is the actual counter for thermals, or are thermals just unbeatable and you need to have one

>>64097165
whichever is an excuse to consume more

>>64096478
mylar works okay as long as there is free air movement between two layers. You don't want any heat trapped, the opposite effect as a puffer jacket. very situational IMO, not suitable to be worn on the body but probably okay as a sort of tent fly.

>>64097238
Well, you can always shoot them first.

Anyone got recommendations for a closed top 7.62 double mag pouch with a silent close. Need it to accept G3, FAL, M77 and AR10 mags. The German G3 mag pouches are excellent but I need molle.

>>64097165
You're at a major disadvantage without one. The new 640x512 oneleaf for $1,330 is unbeatable for the price. Discount code RCMT1000LRF gets you 5% off.
>>64097238
The Ukrainian gnome coats are one, two, or three layer. Def situational.

>>64081660 (OP)
Can you recommand me a euro brand that makes a good 2 piece belt
>>64081756
2 weeks army reserve training and the haix are already falling appart, broke some zippers from the assault pack, but, the fleece is very comfy desu

>>64098976
>Can you recommand me a euro brand that makes a good 2 piece belt
MD-Textil is probably the only good one. Stay away from Direct Action belts, they're shit. For some reason Euro brands still haven't figured out gunbelts need to be rigid to work well.

>>64099008
Is frog pro a good brand, I heard good things about their durability

>>64084484
i've had emerson gear sling betray me numerous times but my savotta sling never did and i've used the savotta much much more. emerson crap is crap.

>>64099008
nta, m-tac elite line belts are on par with the most expensive shit you'll find on western markets. These things are beasts for a fraction of the price.

You will buy the AR500 steel neck bib and you will be somewhat protected.

shooting glasses recomendation that enable to shoot in sun but not too dark and are comfortable under 3m hearing protection? are ess still the go to?

>>64102063
Basically yeah. Simple and practical, and cheaper than what other brands offer which is mostly just the same shit.

>>64100705
no, I dont think I will

>>64102385
You must buy the AR500 steel shoulder protectors, groin plate, neck protector, and butt plate from vestguy.com.

hey guyz its me ingrofafic anon with another AWESOME infographi i made out of images i found on google images make sure to like and subsvribe!!!!

>>64103100
add iodine tablets and some ace bandages to the first aide and your good

Would it be retarded to buy 2 jerven fjellduken one light one heavy in ukr varan camo for 710 euros

Use case: euro grunt

>>64094895
you wouldn't. if you hide behind a rock wearing pink tracksuit and no limbs are sticking out - does it make that a good camo for hiding in the rocks?
this picture shows what I mean - you can see that camo working in that enviroment. does the guy dissapear? no, but none of them do.

if i don't want to support Onward, T.rex or Kommandoshill, what's my best bet for a poorfag recce-style rig? just buying a panel and harness and outfitting it with pouches? i'd prefer something purpose-built and sewn if possible.

>>64103468
It kinda just looks like a modern version of a chicom. Also I feel like consoomers forgot about this thing called POCKETS, WHERE YOU CAN PUT ALL YOUR OTHER SHIT IN

>>64103468
https://www.optactical.com/product-category/chest-rig/
https://wildecustomgear.com/collections/chest-rigs
https://www.wtfidea.com/turnkeyrigs/

>>64103468
surplus Taps rig

>>64104048
Somebody here had a pretty slick TAP modification where they replaced the back straps with some kind of h shaped harness

where can i get an m81 top with pockets sewn on the arms?

>>64104615
Just get a normal BDU top and take it to an alteration place to get the pockets moved. Thats how they made OG raid tops anyway

>>64104648
>alteration place to get the pockets moved
trying to skip that step

>>64104615
There are EBay sellers who very clearly buy surp BDU tops and raid mod them with their own sewing machines specifically to re-sell them. Just type in raid mod BDU shirt on EBay they’re like $50ish.

I think Truspec makes a raid mod shirt and you can get raid mod BDU shirts from airsoft companies on Aliexpress

>>64082510
>>64082491
>>64086036
Make you Manchu hair!

>>64092808
I like my Lapa suit. Nothing like larping as Ukrainian SOF

https://lapa-gear.com.ua/ghillie

>>64081660 (OP)
Rattlecanned mp5s go hard.

>>64104098
I got just the TAPS without harness from local surplus store. H harness from idogear - cloth bit is good, buckles - not great, Id recommend replacing them with actual good ones, at least the female ones. Recently I replaced that ugly chink pouch with british water bottle one. Its the perfect size for a canteen or just a stubby plastic bottle.
Im happy overall with this, I might get a fast single mag pouch for it.

>>64097165
>What is the actual counter for thermals
Thermals, Drones, etc are all about stacking as many slices of swiss cheese to reduce your risk. This technology just makes your job more difficult at all times, no different than going from smooth bore to rifled firearms. There is no "Actual counter" for the machinegun, nor will there be an "Actual counter" for thermals.

Happy Monday, /k/weers

>>64105694
how does this interfere with accessing your equipment? (i.e. pockets, pouches, mags)

>>64097712
Spud pouches?

>>64097165
Stay out of line of sight
Make sure any hides have good standoff and ventilation

>>64105532
thank you

>>64107322
There's a hole so you can access your pants pocket underneath, you can also wear a cape instead of the full top to give easier access to your vest or chest rig.

>>64106978
Really good point, but the counter to everything is a determined Serbian or Croatian

Also fellers, eat a decent meal and drink plenty of water before attempting to run 2 miles in 90 degree heat while carrying about 20 lbs of shit.

>>64109794
>eat a decent meal
definitely do this immediately before your run too ;)

>>64110056
Experiences like this make me remember I should never try and become a navy seal. These were far from preferable conditions, but nothing happens in preferable conditions.

I consumed nothing except 1 bottle of water in the entire day up to that point. I have a route that was 2 miles in a loop that went back to my land. At about 7/10ths of a mile I started shaking and sweating a bit more than usual, but nothing too bad. At about 1 mile of running non-stop I had to start walking for about 100 meters because I could see the flaps of my pockets moving from the shaking. I drank some water from my canteen and continued running.

At about 1.5 miles I started feeling nauseas, and had to walk for another 50 meters or so before picking up pace again. When I returned to my land I was fucked up. I tried resisting chugging the rest of my canteen, but I did end up finishing the rest of it in like 2 drinks. I went in the shade, took off everything except my pants and rested for a while.

The 4 factors I think fucked me was
>No food
>Minimal water
>Heat (90-98 degrees at the time)
>Wearing jacket instead of shirt, with PASGT vest on top

The lesson I learned today is I should start eating breakfast, wear a shirt instead of a jacket when it's 90+ degrees, and lose some weight.

Time for the new armor company of the week. Introducing... Tardigrade Industries.
>$700 ballistic face mask, 5.1lb (steel?) and tested by the great youtube laboratory to stop .223 (not M193 probably), 12 gauge, .44 magnum, etc, so a sloppy SRT rating at most. Face masks usually cap out at a VERY sketchy IIIA, with backface deformation a major issue unless they're the more typical swat-style visors.
>$1,000 eyepro that stops fragments much faster than regular ballistic eyepro
>A picatinny-mounted mirror so you can put a folding mirror on your gun.
>A bag
https://armoredoptics.com/products/maxilla-maxillofacial-protection

I can kinda see a use for the mirror but five-pound face protection is right out.
Another new outfit, Werewolf Tactical, is getting ready to release an M7 ATS ballistic respirator with optional PAPR. Face protection is either getting trendy or it's trying to. The existing China-special face mask, sold by Militech / Atomic Defense and others, is BFD city, but is much lighter and cheaper.

>>64110524
Face protection aint worth it until they figure out how to create load bearing skeletons to hold something thicker

>>64110549
Your mom has a load bearing face, if you know what I mean.

>>64110549
Mhm, rifle rated helmets are a thing (three flavors, M80 @ 2,100ft/s, M80 at 2,780ft/s - actual "Level III but not body armor so not 0101.06", and M855 protection usually involving something akin to a beefed SLAAP plate) but rifle rated face masks are assuredly... not. Sooner or later you just run into the economics of trying to run ten pounds on your head.
Highcom RCH + this face mask + HHV-Adept M855 plate puts you at ~9.4lb. Add a PVS-14 and you're over 10. Mike tyson neck.

>>64084859
>4. Cheap used ballistic shield off ebay, IIIA, so you can mount and blade with your kabar, parry the enemy, and riposte the home invader. Awkward to use but much faster to put on than a vest and greater coverage.
kek'd

>>64110524
Bionicle looking motherfucker

>>64107322
Sorry for the late response. So >>64109353 was close but no. Pant pockets are fully covered. No access.

However, it has a double zippered and buttoned shut front flap that you roll up for chest rigs/ plate carriers. The pants are like sweat pants though so you can untie the string and strech out the waist to reach in. Very /k/omfy.

>>64083162
>pc + belt kit setup
>for motor/mech infantrymen
How do you fit in the truck with a bull on belt kit?

>>64103468
Helikon has a neat one. Its called Guardian Recce chest rig, because I guess everything needs to be recce nowadays

>>64110566
i do not? can you elaborate?

>>64110231
sounds like heat stroke and/or dehydration. You're on track with diagnosing your retardedness though. Definitely don't wear warm clothes to run in 90 degree weather. But considering its only 2 miles, eating a meal wont actually help that much. You'll get much more from being well hydrated in advance.
>lose some weight
that too

>>64111782
As around your neighborhood
All them men there should know

>>64110849
>Filename
Kek
>>64110949
Deep seats + scrunching forward on them or yoyo the thing forward.
Really only a concern for the driver in a commercial vehicle.

Is there a consensus on the novasteel helmet, is it good for more than just a meme?

>>64112849
Anything from Adept has to be treated with some degree of caution at the get-go. They don't have a known manufacturing location, no NIJ certs on any of their plates (going on eight years of no certs now), all of their business addresses are suspect (they used to be Diamond Age, same address as a fitness store called Lockout Supplements), and the main guy in charge has patents linking him to Hong Kong.
With that in mind, what does the Novasteel really offer over a IIIA composite helmet?

>>64112886
Price
And a mandible I can paint up like the nose of an aircraft

>>64112941
>Price
Excellent argument to buy Chinese. You can also buy used / surplus helmets. Ceradyne BA3As, ACHs, etc. Watch condition. Expiration dates are really just the warranty and what matters much more is wear and tear. The Novasteel's VPAM PM-3 rating is rather low. It also claims protection against 7.62x25 and 5.7 threats but you run into the "how's the quality control" issue - same as their plates. Youtube testers are often sent samples by the mfg and it should be assumed those samples are handpicked. That's not just Adept, everybody does that.
A Ceradyne BA3A or IIIA Protech helmet can be had for $65-70 if you shop around. Aftermarket clamp on rail kits are $60, then there's a wide variety of mandibles out there.

>>64105694
Tree cancer

>>64103610
Using pockets unironically suck though. I had to run out of the woods last weekend to get my son out of the wilderness and I have a massive bruise from the shit in my pockets hitting my leg the entire run back

>>64113078
1. What was in your pockets?
2. What the fuck was your son doing? Boys will be boys I guess

>>64113164
Phone and key fob. 16mo son was under the weather all day but thought it was just teething. Get ready to put him to bed at 8 after making camp and changed his diaper and his right ball was seriously swollen. So I ran 10 miles out of the woods, got the car as far up the trail I could and carried him and all our shit out with the wife at like 10pm straight to the ER thinking it was torsion but it was just hydrocele and not serious. Moral being, if you are really moving that shit in your pockets going to be bouncing off your leg and it sucked.

>>64112968
I have an ACH but it's too small and I wanted a highcut
I'm not really interested in combing tackswap and FB marketplace for deals
Was hoping real people had experience with it to push me one way or the other between it, a bump or an XL ACH

>>64112849
I have one and I like it. Lots of other /gq/ guys from the old days also have them, including some trips.
>>64112886
> With that in mind, what does the Novasteel really offer over a IIIA composite helmet?
Way better edge shot performance.
10x lower BFD
It's pretty much the same weight. Lighter than some other options. Definitely lighter than shit like the BA3A, lmao
Also you can paint it however you like really easily

>>64113424
>including some trips
Ok, I'll get a bump then

Alright, anons. Im sure this question has been prompted a number of times, but maybe Id like (((you))) to give me your genuine, personal opinion on this matter. Say you are given a PASGT and would like to modernize it/make it comfymaxx as much as you reasonably can. What do you do?

>>64113599
New pads and install a computer case fan

>>64113629
Man i like the fan idea

>>64113599
As a based PASGT set enjoyer,

Put pads in the helmet. If it's an actual PASGT (harness instead of pads) put an undershirt inside the harness or a piece of foam. Also, adjust the chin strap so it's snug but not tight to make sure it doesn't wobble on yer head

>>64113599
> Tear out the liner, replace with these: https://protectiongroupdenmark.com/product/pgd-10-pad-helmet-liner/
> Don't fall for the "4D Tactical" meme, the PGD pads are much better. (It's literally the only good thing that PGD makes, desu)
> Buy a generic aftermarket H-back retention system.
And you're done.

>>64113424
A lot of stuff straight from Adept's marketing. Nice.
/gq/ guys from the old days also ran RMA, so that's not a merit. The 1092 was a /bag/ favorite. People spent thousands on LTC 28595s thinking they were M993 rated. A grand on sets of Defender 275s with potential delamination issues. Old heads got a lot wrong.
Do you have actual test reports to support the BFD / edge shot claim? Even steel can put up mighty BFD numbers. See RMA's RF2 steel with over 30mm. IIRC that was because of actual spalling on the wear face getting caught by the spall liner.
The BA3A is also about 2.6lb, the Novasteel is similar weight.

>>64113871
VPAM-3 implicitly means crazy low BFD and good edge shot resistance. There's literally no such thing as a UHMWPE helmet that's rated to VPAM-3, and the only aramid helmets that carry the rating are insanely overbuilt.
The FBI/DEA just basically copied VPAM for their new helmet specification, so there's probably some merit to it.
> People spent thousands on LTC 28595s thinking they were M993 rated
That seriously sucked, and I'm happy I didn't get suckered into that.
I like the $60 LBX carriers and $200 Blackbeard plates, though, lmao

>>64113629
You can actually do this with a PASGT

>>64114028
>implicitly
Adept's own site. "corresponding very roughly to 10-12mm."
Not a fan of very roughly. That's not very confident language.
>literally no such thing as a UHMWPE VPAM-3 helmet.
And no such thing as an NIJ-certified Adept product in nearly a decade, lol. Speaking of, do you have proof the Novasteel meets or exceeds VPAM PM-3? VPAM doesn't have a public CPL for anything - body armor or otherwise, huge downgrade from NIJ in that department. Suits Adept's overall lack of transparency.

Im looking to buy a light and mid weight puffer jacket, but I want it in mulitcam to minmax and match my uniform.
Problem is, dude so few companies make puffers in mc and they're non existant on the used market (not paying 1grand for much arcteryx made in Bangladesh altogether it's a good jacket for sure, and even carinthia shit is 500 to 600 euros)
Multicam shit is so rare that even busted up used stuff goes for absurd prices, if I were to buy brown/green shit it'd be solved much more easily but my autism doesn't allow me to, plus I want to max my camo capabilities

>>64114245
Of course this wouldn't be necessary if we where issued fucking cold weather gear but imagine getting training and equipment vs cutting grass with a knife

>>64083967
Get a padded belt and shove the canteens on it like picrel. You'll thank me once you've walked a few miles with it

>>64114245
Here you go bro:
> https://brigadeqm.com/snugpak-arrowhead-jacket-multicam
> https://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-Insulated-Resistant-Windproof-Multicam/dp/B07NS5F1WQ
This is kind of a puffer, and it's cheap af if you can wear an XL or XXL:
> https://viktos.com/outerwear/jackets/farthermost-mc-jacket/

>>64114353
Thanks mate problem is I'm in Europe so the market has much less stuff, guess euro grunts don't buy their own gear, in general there's not a culture of buying gear here even among mil people, all the guys I see actually try and buy the cheapest shit possible from aliexpress

>>64113235
So will you be selling all your gear and your car now to play that $50,000 ER bill?

>>64114347
I have walked/ran many miles with a regular belt and a 2qt canteen, I have to tighten the belt more if it was completely full. That type of belt would definitely make it more comfortable and I could put a pouch for random things on it.

Good suggestion

>>64114382
The issued jacket is a carinthia mig which is a good jacket problem is it doesn't fit over a plate carrier so what the fuck i can't use it when stationary and just put it on to sleep and shit, I can put it under my pc tho but I'd rather not

About that, what do you guys think of wearing a lighter puffer jacket under a plate carrier, obviously if you're doing a march you'll stay light but for doing guard or even in combat if you're staying mostly static / walking / occasional dashes given it is cold enough, like an atom lt or a carinthia tlg

>>64113599
samurai style ballistic kevlar inserts coming off the back, and new pads

>>64114475
>samurai style ballistic kevlar inserts coming off the back
Sheeeit, does anybody make this?

>>64114475
Adept sells a helmet lobster tail that looks samurai-esque. It's meant to mount to the Novasteel but can probably be jury-rigged to other helmets.
Also don't forget a knockoff SLAAP plate from either hard hat veterans or Jinwudun. The HHV one can stop M855 when paired with some IIIA helmets. That's as high as helmets go for now since Adept's M855A1-rated Bastion is / was vaporoware like their 4.7lb N1 plate.

This is how it happened. This is how the Batman died.

>>64114412
My current picks + honorable mentions

Light puffer
>Sarma tst lvl5 jacket (right fill, the pc opening looks useful, maybe a gimmick idk, fuck 80€ for multicam, pullover not open zipper)
>SOD easy thermal jacket (simple design, just a jacket, zipper, 2 pockets, what id be lookikg for except no multicam only vegetato)
>arcteryx cold wx (expensive as shit and only used, otherwise its what im lookikg for, lighter fill, Packable, no useless features, fits over armor, simple)
>arcteryx atom lt civ (doesn't fit over armor but good jacket got one)
>arcteryx atom lt leaf (unobtainable in mc and expensive as hell)
>carinthia lig (garrison jacket got a shitton of zippers idc abt + doesn't fit over armor as it's got a slick cut)
>helion b (not in the us can't buy it)
>carinthia tlg (nice jacket but doesn't fit over armor)
>beyond lochi (expensive as hell, not too durable, idgaf abt it being reversible)
>otte gear helo (not bad still very expensive idgaf abt reversibility)

Made it even worse. This is the state of the helmets.

Dude you missed the best one, the official Revision/Galvion/IHPS mandible. It's the worst looking one of them all.

They're insanely oversized, look terrible even in promotional pics. Picrel is the Ops-core version.

The IHPS in general looks terrible desu

>>64113871
>Old days
>/bag/ existing

>>64114384
Yeah you want my 31As for 15 bucks? Time to tighten the belt I guess

>>64115613
Damn how could I forget.
>>64116100
As was I, although I mostly lurked at the time. /bag/ started being a thing in ~2017. RMA was still fairly popular in /gq/ because the cheat rings weren't found out yet. Certain circles (reddit) were already hyping the LTC 28595 as a sub-5lb multi-hit Level IV, although the M993 rating was a /bag/ fabrication. My recollection is that an LTC dealer tried to sauce it and the 28590 up since they were losing LTC 28590 sales to the Defender 275s IPS had for sale. Might have been Apex but I'm not positive.

>>64110549
> The face is a fairly large target
> The face is full of things that you ideally do not want perforated by shrapnel
>>64110524
Ugly as sin but it looks like it wouldn't be that bad in terms of protection. Kinda want to see one get shot up now.

I'm just waiting for when one of these companies reinvents the hounskull/sallet by going
> Hmm, a lot of the shape of our competition's face pro redirects shit into the eye sockets
> Oh! i know! I'll make a sloped/conical helmet and add extrusions around the eyes to prevent splashing

>>64113599
1: bolt on an articulated sheet metal lobster tail.
2: bolt on a pair of antlers
3: bolt on a WW1 styled sheet metal visor (picrel)
4: paint it a neutral color and add a cloth laurel around the crown

>>64113599
Speaking of, anyone seen any good deals for one of these recently?
Surp. or not, doesn't matter

>>64116551
5.1lb for a IIIA+ face mask is a hard bargain. It's steel though, so BFD isn't as much a concern as aramid like the Chinese masks, which are a ripoff of a 1980s Safariland design.
Seems we're getting a resurgence of face protection across the board.

>>64116551
>Ugly as sin but it looks like it wouldn't be that bad in terms of protection. Kinda want to see one get shot up now.
Dude it weighs five pounds. On your face.
It might just be the stupidest helmet-related thing I've ever seen. The second-stupidest is the Wilcox Skullcrusher, which is the most meme thing I've ever seen from a "serious" company. In third place is the bobblehead Revision mandible.

Is there any backpack with the same or similar design to the platatac spur but with a different suspension system?
Cause the spur got that mesh stuff for hot weather and shit but imma use it with armor so I don't need that and it seems like it'd just be something that'll break and the hip wings are annoying as well, otherwise the bag design is perfect for a patrol pack

If you disassemble the back part you can remove it by cutting the bottom fabric but then it's got almost no support as the plastic backer by itself is kinda flimsy.
What one could do is put a rigid backer on the inside as there's a bladder sleeve that could hold it and that would provide the needed rigidity.
Ideally it'd have a slick foam backing like on the kahakka, mesh backing sucks with armor as it'll chafe like a motherfucker

>>64116792
Meant to say kantamus not kahakka, but having that shit sewed on would be pretty difficult

>>64107028
Wat bayo

>>64116725
NTA, I can see a very limited niche for CQB situations where you aren't able to use a shield for some reason. The rating is very high for a face mask. 12 gauge, .44 magnum, unspecified .223. It's short duration work only.
The weight is extreme, your eyes are still exposed, and you'd be much better served with a traditional IIIA visor since you can still use a gas mask underneath and your FOV isn't impeded.
The new breed of armored gas masks / PAPR have more merit, IMO, but if you're simultaneously being engaged by CBRN and ballistic threats then the situation's beyond fubar.

>>64113248
Will you need full coverage? If not, you could get an XL ACH, but IHPSs are plenty common and can be gotten for less than 500. Might as well go that route.
As for bumps, unless you’re actually jumping out of helicopters, chinesium with standard mounting upgrades (pads, boa system) is just fine

>>64114672
pic related

>>64115622
you don't have your hair in a bun under your helmet?

>>64117454
Don't forget with an ACH you can buy a clamp-on IIIA visor for less than $300. This gets you full frontal coverage against common pistol threats and won't interfere with a gas mask if you want one of those.

>>64118265
The glass/polycarbonate IIIA visors are shit, though. Heavy af, uncomfortable, often foggy or yellow-tinted, and the fishbowl optical effect makes you dizzy and clumsy if you wear them for more than 20 minutes. There are a million reasons everybody hates them.

>>64115622
Looks great with scrim but all the POGs currently wearing it are dysgenic mulattos (see your own pic)

>>64118301
All true. Unlike a mandible, however, they allow for a gas mask, provide eye / upper face coverage, and limit FOV far less. Also easier to breathe with - but interferes with NV. It's a tradeoff type situation. Neither option is fun. A 3lb visor definitely isn't, but it's better than a 5.1lb face mask.
I think the new IIIA-armored PAPR gas masks are promising from Werewolf Tactical, but I want to see test reports and some third party feedback on them. Old school masks like >>64118200 are BFD city.

>>64118415
> Neither option is fun. A 3lb visor definitely isn't, but it's better than a 5.1lb face mask.
Everything is better than a 5.1 face mask. Even just wearing an old $35 PASGT with original leather webbing would be better and 1000x more sensible than the face mask.
> Werewolf Tactical
Literally who.
"Made in Montana USA"
"Each unit is handcrafted in Montana USA, using DuPont™ Kevlar® composites"
lmao, which Temu vendor set this up? I want to know! Spanker, is it you?!

>>64118543
>face mask
I'd like to see a PE version with simplified geometry. Should be much lighter.
>Werewolf
Brand new outfit that started a year ago. That's why I want to see test reports for the furry armored gas masks. The idea is promising but their execution is unexecuted. Their M11 ballistic mamsks looks like a better design than the Chinamask Atomic Defense, Secpro, etc are selling, but totally unproven and a lot more $$. Alternative to their M7 and M5, there's a PAPR version of the Ronin but it's $3,500.

>>64118567
From what I'm seeing, there's like 0.0001% chance that it's not a Chinamask itself. Made in Montana USA.
Also they posted their own test videos which are hilariously bad.
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m4yQlxdmsGM
Anybody wearing that thing would be deader than dogshit.

>>64118600
I didn't see there was a short, lol. Man that's terrible. It's supposed to be rated for .44 magnum but even 9mm is giving it a hard time.
I agree that even if they're assembled in Montana the materials are very likely chinese. Most armor upstarts are like that. That means the gas mask portion is likely very suspect.
Might as well ask Jinwudun if they can rip it off for half price. They actually have puccian military contracts for IIIA skirts, blast belts, ballistic sitting pads, and groin armor, making them SLIGHTLY more credible. I don't trust their helmets though, especially that $800 Level III. Their plates are Aholetech-style classic chinesium and inferior to Militech.

What's a good gas mask I can run in at the gym, /gq/?

>>64118733
What kinds of mask?

>>64118733
C50 and a leopard print speedo with barefoot shoes. You must also run a 6:30 mile to one of these two songs while carrying a 20kg backpack jammer from madeinchina.com.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i84n1aXBtgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J28ttTFYVrw

>>64118733
MSA Millennium
Twink clothes
soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTiC6yfNyY

>>64118733
Bonus points if you run barefoot in a hotdog suit and an MSA Millennium to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU86MpVAIPM

>>64118866
>>64118858
Isn't the MSA Millennium just the MCU-2/p?

They look the same except the Millennium is black and probably made of Butyl instead of Silicone

>>64118869
The Millennium is updated to meet NIOSH requirements, so the lenses don't yellow and it can withstand corrosive chemicals better.

>>64118876
>it can withstand corrosive chemicals better.

The MCU-2/p also has the second skin attachment which (as you can geuss) is a butyl cover that goes over the mask so that it works against things like mustard, the M40 also has this

>>64082552
really depends on the brand
for now though, i'd get emersongear, votagoo or pewpew
just like the other anon said

>>64116792
Helikon-Tex Matilda
https://helikon-tex.com/en/matilda-backpacken.html

>>64119542
NOTE:You could buy frames and mount your backpack on it if u want better suspension.

Does anyone have any experience with these, or battle belt suspenders that you wear under your plate carrier? Would it be better to just get a diggerent inner belt?

https://shaw-concepts.com/products/usurper-belt-suspenders?_pos=1&_sid=c3263d58c&_ss=r

>>64120384
Depends on the weight your carrying
If you have most of your gear on your belt line with the idea that you can ditch the plates when not needed then it's going to suck
thin, no padding and you won't be able to adjust it when it starts cutting into your shoulders under the plate
A wider yoke even without padding would be much better
But this would work for a pistol and a few mags

>>64116888
Eickhorn CAF B2000 bayonet
>checked

bros, both chest pockets of my Outdoor Research Microgravity jacket tore in the same place.
Does anyone have experience with their warranty process? I mean I'm going to file a warranty claim regardless, just wondering if I should expect to get lucky or get shafted or what. This jacket seems to be discontinued and the most similar one (Mountain) is like $100 more than I paid for this. I'm hoping, but not expecting, that they send me that as a replacement. That would be sick.
These pockets ripped less than a year in, which is weird because everything else about it feels so high quality. I guess I can superglue and/or duct tape them if they tell me to get fucked.

What kind of phone/adapter contraption does Tyler Rake use in Extraction? It is shown around the 29 minute mark.
It looks pretty thick and tactical.

What kind of phone/adapter contraption does Tyler Rake use in Extraction? It is shown around the 29 minute mark.
It looks pretty thick and tactical.

>>64122584
i bet you have one of those tactical water bottle cozies don't you.

>>64122584
another view
>>64122591
Nope, in fact the most tacticool thing I own is my chinesium powerback

>>64081660 (OP)
who makes a helmet for 65cm/25.6 inch heads?

>>64122584
>>64122597
thuraya satsleeve

>>64122615
Thanks mate! Have you ever used one by any chance?

>>64122660
this is my experience with them
>that looks like a sat phone attachment for a smart phone
>google "smart phone satellite attachment"

>>64121547
Ty Canunkistani

Decided to follow up on the Tencate guide and make a Hesco armor infographic. This covers all of their current and significant SRT, Level III, "III+", and Level IV models. I included the Reed Composite Solutions (Hesco bought them out in 2014) 4520, de facto the Hesco 4520, as a historical curiosity. All other plates are white-side and can be purchased freely.

>>64122999
nice trips, but where do surplus ESAPI & SAPI plates rate on that provided they pass the tests for used plates?

>>64123010
Details are in this infographic. Long story short, original SAPIs are 3x 7.62x51mm M80 at 2,750ft/s or 3x M855 or 3x M193. They can also withstand 3x 7.62x54R LPS at 2,300ft/s (this is reduced velocity and simulates standoff). SAPIs are 4lb and need soft armor to function, so they are most comparable but technically inferior to the Hesco 3810LPS on most counts.

ESAPIs vary based on revision. ESAPIs Revision A to F are rated for 1x M2AP at 2,850ft/s, with a 60% chance of stopping a second. Weight is 5.45lb for a SAPI Medium and they need soft armor (add 0.8lb). Revision G raises to 3x .30-06 M2AP and adds 3x 5.56x45mm M995 at 3,350ft/s. ESAPIs lack the raw 6x multi-hit against lesser threats of the Hesco 4601, but are comparable weight when you add required soft armor and have superior multi-hit against M2AP. No Hesco plate aside from the 4520 is rated for M995, although the 4800 has one recorded stop in a Buffman vid post-drop test. Lost to 1 of 2 .30-06 M2AP though.
ESAPI REV. J adds first-shot v50 against M2AP of 3,000ft/s. REVs G-J are stronger than any white-side Hesco plate against steel-core AP threats.

XSAPI plates are directly comparable to the black-side Hesco 4520, identical 3x 7.62x51 M993 at 3,050ft/s rating, but are a pound heavier than the Hesco. That should raise some red flags.

Also just an FYI for anyone interested in the Hesco 3811 and had concerns about it being underbuilt. It is... NIJ certified!
The counterpart all-PE 3801 however is not.

>>64123044
>black-side Hesco 4520
>red flags
Nah because the plate is 100% vaporware that never really existed, or existed and was pulled and memoryholed. You're probably the only person who even remembers it exists, and you'll never find anybody who has ever seen one IRL

>>64123081
Certified against M80 ball, lmao.
The problem with that type of plate is that it might not reliably stop M855, on account of a too-thin/weak strike-face, which the NIJ won't test it against.
This is why the 3801 isn't certified. Because it might not be good enough to beat M80 ball.

>>64123626
>3811
Certified against M80 ball six times with 2" shot spacing at ~2,750ft/s with sub-44mm BFD, yes. Not a walk in the park. Realistically we do have to keep in mind the Hesco 3810 and 3800 are seven years old and some improvement in PE can be expected. The 3811 is about 13% lighter than the 3810. The 3810 uses an unpressed backer and an aluminum oxide strike face. The 3811 is more expensive and has plenty of ways to deduct weight from that without compromising M855 defeat. It is exactly 0.05lb lighter than the Adept Thunder, so it's not incomparably lighter than competitors.
>3801
12.6% lighter than the 3800. I think the original specs on Verretts' site were off, esp for the 3801LV, and the new 1.95lb weight from other sources is much more reasonable. We know from other plates like the LTC 28595 -> LTC 28570 that weight savings are available in the past few years.
>>64123616
>4520
Evidentially not, since ATT pulled it from their XP throwback website very recently and you have to use the wayback machine to find it, lol. I learned about it from lurking /bag/. It was discussed very frequently then.

>>64110524
Hannibal Lector lookin nigga.

There's an xl TG Faust plate carrier with 3a backer and supposed lv4 plates going for 225 plus 65 shipping on eBay rn, is it worth a shit?

>>64124418
are you a big mf'er?
XL plates are wide and will get in the way of your arms if you dont have linebacker shoulders
if you are just fat, dont get an xl carrier, they are sized to the plate not the person

>>64124459
Usually I've been measured as 44 inch chest I'm just window shopping right now, dates on it are from 2005 and it looks like the one you use in GTA San andreas

>>64124502
how big around doesnt matter, measure nip to nip, collarbone to bottom of ribs
know your plate size before considering any purchases

>>64124515
Thx I'm trying to learn

>>64124519
mediums work well for vast majority of men

I went running in my crye avs this month and sweated in it will it get ruined?
Should I buy a training pc and leave the legit one

>>64124896
God, I hate you fags, so fucking much.

>>64124896
u shluld buy ar500 testudo it dont brek when droppd

>>64124896
It's ruined. You may as well throw it away now.

>>64124896
Donate to goodwill

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