Thread 64081678

Since nazis always how could Germany have won.
How could poland have stoped the USSR and nazi germany from conquering them?
Assume you go back in time and have 5 years to prepare poland, they will do anything you say.

they can't do shit if the french don't start a second front or if the soviets open a second front against them

>>64081678 (OP)
I need 10% of your GDP, your top engineers and scientists and start mining tons of Pitchblende asap.
And we need a bomber that can deliver 4 tons to Berlin.

>>64081678 (OP)
the British Commonwealth gives them all their army equipment, all their fighters, and Poland goes to full war economy in 1938

the Germans and Soviets invaded with about a million men each iirc so 3 or 4 times that number on each border ought to do the trick

>>64081678 (OP)
poland was fucked regardless

nazi germany was fucked regardless in a military conflict. however, they may have had a chance with an ideological victory by pushing fascism abroad. there were pro-fascist elements in the US, UK, and other Western nations that quickly turned anti-fascist once war broke out.

>>64081678 (OP)
The Polish Turtle

game start is 1933 scenario, furious AI, normal difficulty.
the aim is to defend Poland until the total consumption of German resources in oil and the US atomic war.

to get the result:
- join the Allies immediately at the start of the game, in order to get some FREE resources.
- defend 2 regions with the fortresses at the highest level in order to prevent the stupid AI from attacking, at least one region with an objective point and at least one region with a minimum amount of resources that allows you to survive for a long time.

Katovice will be defended with infantry and cavalry. Krakov with the maximum possible amount of mountain troops. to achieve this, part of the regular troops must be converted into specialized units. I repeat do not build new units. but convert and then add the artillery on all the troops including the cavalry, so even if it is slowed down it only has to do turtle.
Promoting Galica to higher ranks wouldn't be wrong, but there isn't a headquarters that allows you to share qualities with other generals in adjacent regions. therefore the promotion is practically useless. personal opinion ! there is no time and resources to do an HQ.

The construction of the forts and anti aircraft guns must begin immediately.The construction of the artillery will begin in the 1937.

>>64082298
the Krakov airbase is essential as the years progress, the Americans and the British will use it in the 40's with success.
this will have to be your economy at the beginning of the war, for a while you can continue to build, then the end of resources will put an end to developments. all the artillery will be completed. the forts will reach level 7 in 1940. if you want you can stop the production, but I prefer to leave them active. stupid AI will not be willing to attack, and in total confusion he does not attack France either. !!!
in 1943 Katovice will reach level 8.
in 1946 Germany power will begin to decline and it will even be possible to think about getting out of the turtle.

once Poland has been reconquered, one can think of attacking the USSR and can be successfully conquered. a USSR puppet under the control of Poland allows to boost Polish industries to an incredible level.

>>64081678 (OP)
If the French weren't such tremendous pussies they could have hit Germany's Eastern flank and ended the war early.

>>64082319
>Germany's Eastern flank
>France
>East

>>64081678 (OP)
>ESL thread

>>64081678 (OP)
when did britian or italy invade poland

>>64081920
You forgot moscow and saint pidorsberg

>>64081678 (OP)
ESL. Holy kek. :^)

>>64081678 (OP)
Not possible. Germans had Prussia and Czech, so it was a FOUR pronged attack (3 from the Germans and 1 from Russia). No country could have survived being invaded from all compass directions.

>>64081678 (OP)
Holy ESL
Learn how to spell man

>>64081678 (OP)
Whoever made that map just colored random countries with red

>>64081844
If the French would have just sent troops over their Maginot line like they promised to do, they would have found that Germany's entire industrial base was very loosely guarded and the French could have made substantial captures early enough in the war that France wouldn't have fallen, the British would have showed up to back them up, and saved the world 10,000 KIA.
But, the French were tremendous pussies.

>>64085437
>10,000
10,000,000

>>64081678 (OP)
Give Danzig back and form an alliance with Germany. In this version of events, WWII begins as Poland, France, the UK, and Italy versus the USSR. Japan would likely still declare war against the USA, the UK, and the Netherlands, but this time Germany might be smart enough not to join them.

>>64085437
>just like do x man
sure and the US should have just invaded japan in 1941 to avoid island hopping

>>64085503
What the fuck are you talking about?

WWII started when Germany invaded Poland, and Poland decided not to roll over like Austria had. Poland was forsaken by the rest of Europe and left to be raped in a short sighted attempt at appeasement. We know how that turned out.

>>64085521
>France and the Brits tell you it would take them at least a month to open a second front
>they ask you if you can hold on for long enough
>yes, we can we will hold them at the border
>you did not hold them at the border
>you did not hold for a month

>>64081678 (OP)
Easy, just make a defense treaty with the UK.

>>64085557
>second front
>France and Britain sit with their thumbs up their ass doing absolutely nothing as Germany aggressively annexes neighbors
>Cuck out again at the end of the war and betray the Czechs, Poles, and others.

>>64085514
>invading Japan to avoid island hopping
Invading Japan straight away would have been the ultimate island hop.

>>64085563
>didn't even read the post
>bitched about Yalta
yes, the allies should have started WWIII before WWII was even over.
all you had to do was not try to hold the border, give the Germans some land so you could hold a sensible defensible line giving the French and English the time to mobilize and take the Germans in the rear

>>64082274
Nazi Germany almost enjoyed victory on D-day.
the battle of the bulge almost forced the allies to sue for peace.
the only real mistake was invading Russia. you can't beat the Russian winter through willpower alone.

>>64085397
No, it's accurate, with the caveat that quite a few of those countries "invaded" Poland by defending themselves from Polish invasions.
Poland is like Russia if Russia were successfully defeated and partitioned at some point, so it would not be a credible threat, just a lot of permanent revanchist seething.

>>64085521
Germany went to war over the return of Danzig. So giving them what they want, Danzig, means that the chances of a war drop to near zero.

>>64086254
>the Chamberlain strategy
Yes, that will surely work.

>>64085503
>Give Danzig back

That would have bought Poland at best a few more months before Germany started nibbling for more land. And given that the same strategy had failed in Czechoslovakia just a year prior, nobody had no reason to believe that surrendering an inch a of Polish territory wouldn't result in the same outcome.

>>64081844
Maybe if Japan had declared against the USSR early. Even with everyone fighting on 2 fronts I still think Poland would have to form some kind of Eastern European coalition and but up a united defense to stand a chance.

>>64085973
>almost enjoyed victory on d-day
they didn't
>battle of the bulge almost forced the allies to sue for peace
not even close

>>64087408
>That would have bought Poland at best a few more months before Germany started nibbling for more land.
Hitler envisioned Poland as part of his lebensraum, like Slovakia and Croatia ended up. A client state, but not one run according to the all out 've must kill ze untermenschen' policy of the later years.
He also expected France and Britain to just fold on Danzig, like they had several times before.

>>64087375
It literally could not have gone worse for Poland. If you think that giving up Danzig doesn't make perfect sense in hindsight you're an idiot.

>>64088426
There's no outcome where Nazism works anon.
It's fundamentally very stupid and cannot succeed.

The fact that you imagine things just being given to them in order for them to survive should tell you what chances of survival they really had.
You're talking like a zigger.

>>64085437
>if
>The Saar Offensive was the French invasion of Saarland, Germany, in the first stages of World War II, from September 7 to October 16, 1939, in response to the German invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939. The original plans called for 40 divisions, one armored division, three mechanised divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions to assist Poland, which was then under invasion, by attacking Germany's neglected western front. Despite 30 divisions advancing to the border (and in some cases across it), the attack did not have the expected result.
>When the swift victory in Poland allowed Germany to reinforce its lines with homecoming troops, the offensive was halted.
Poles should have fought harder if they didn't want to get occupied.

>>64089223
Your post had absolutely nothing to do with mine

>>64089264
It was everything to do with yours because you're a retarded wehraboo trying to get people to agree that Hitler could have won if only he wasn't bullied by people not giving him what he wanted.

>>64089299
Again, your post has nothing to do with mine

>>64087408
>And given that the same strategy had failed in Czechoslovakia just a year prior, nobody had no reason to believe that surrendering an inch a of Polish territory wouldn't result in the same outcome.
Poland's a sore looser for the French and the Brits not coming to their aid fast enough.
But when Hitler was putting the screws on the Czechs Poland didn't back them up. No instead it made sure to get it's pound of flesh. Why? well this region had a polish speaking population so it had to be a part of Poland ofc. Letting the Czech republic fall is a fair prize to pay for it.
The Poles where driven by the same desire to incorporate all their foreign Poles as the Germans where with the foreign Germans. They just sucked at it.
>>64089299
that's not what the annon is saying
he's pointing out that getting double invades, partitioned, your entire elite getting killed off, 4 years of brutal occupation and a failed uprising. Before becoming the USSR's bitch probably wasn't worth Danzig. One or even two of those being mitigated was worth Danzig.

>>64081678 (OP)
Since nazis always?
how could Germany have won.
Is this a question?

>>64089381
Assigning human thought patterns to ESLs is unproductive

>>64081678 (OP)
Just give Hitler his highway and give Russia Belarus and Ukraine (both hate Poles anyway) and WW2 never happens or is just western world doing 55 Days Days at Pekin: Tokyo Bogaloo.

what's with the sudden anti-poland posts the last few hours here?

>>64081678 (OP)
5 years perhaps wouldn't be too late
oppose germans annexing chechs for starters
but the real solution would be to hang piłsudski before he ruined everything

>>64085437
The Siegfried line was no joke actually

>>64085973
No the best the Germans would have accomplished is maybe pushing the British off their beaches, even at the absolute worst situation Utah was going to be held and held easily and the Germans would have had to hope they could pocket the Allies on the Peninsula while the allies built up more and more men for a break out.

>Battle of the Bulge
Was never going to accomplish anything.


>>64089588
It's that one guy on /pol/ who endlessly seethes about Poland.

>>64089418
>and WW2 never happens or is just western world doing 55 Days Days at Pekin: Tokyo Bogaloo.
Yeah no way we wouldn't get a Germany vs USSR thunder dome. In that situation its quite possible that the allies would have given the Soviets material support nonetheless.

>>64089223
Stupid nigger, he's saying that for poland's sake giving up danzig would have been the better option compared to how raw they got it in reality. Reading comprehension zero.

>>64089588
not anti Poland, just not going to put up with the Polish "we never did anything wrong ever and are just the victims of history" narrative
every country just like every person makes choices, some times they are dumb or for some other reason you suffer due to them.
writing checks you can't cash because you trusted the wrong people doesn't absolve from writing a bad check
I don't hate Poles at all, I even have a Polish plummer

>>64089608
>It's that one guy on /pol/ who endlessly seethes about Poland
I think in this case, they're aligned with nazi apologists arguing for giving Hitler everything he wanted because that would surely have prevented war.

Appeasement fetishists are just wehraboos and nazi apologists trying to cloak themselves in geopolitical realism.

>>64089608
The British did all their beaches best though, they had absolutely no hope of doing that