Like how bad is jungle warfare really? No vietnam doesnt apply. Pacific war doesnt apply. Those are like half a century ago -- tech has changed and war has changed.

>>64084598 (OP)
Its still fucked, anyone who's done JW training still enjoys everything rotting, the rashes and crawling out of it looking like a mix of sweaty crackheads and concentration camp residents

>>64084603
Havent they invented some cream to fix that? What that is

>>64084598 (OP)
You won't have to operate inna jungle for as long with aerial thermals

>>64084618
So we just avoid the jungle and hope whatever bombs we throw at jungle gooks kill them? Sounds like it hasn't changed much since vietnam

>>64084626
the bombs *will* kill them

>>64084598 (OP)
One thing you don’t really have to worry about now is severe malaria which is a God send, during the Asia-Pacific part of WW2 500,000 American troops suffered from Malaria which is a lot of guys to have laying about instead of fighting. Now with all the vaccines you can get for that shit you don’t really have to suffer the worst of it nor deal with entire units made combat ineffective, unfortunately they are yet to make a vaccine for dinner plate sized spiders or foot long centipedes.

>>64084598 (OP)
Drink plenty of water and don’t wear underwear

>>64084598 (OP)
Just walking around in a jungle is pretty bad on it’s own. Now do it in an active warzone while people are trying to kill you

>>64084652
>don’t wear underwear
>uniform rubs your dick off
Yeah naw

>>64084608
People literally turn into walking yeast infections, huge swathes of fungal cock-rot and trenchfoot if you don't keep enough clean, dry clothes. Topical's only go so far

>>64084652
>don’t wear underwear
>In a area that’s constantly humid and raining
>In a area that’s hot all year around
>In a area crawling in leeches
>In a area where your dealing with all this while constantly active and sweating
>In a area that may or may not have fish that go into your dick
Mein Anon….wtf do mean don’t wear underwear?

>>64084654
>>uniform rubs your dick off

>>64084652
This.

>>64084673
I saw a vid on /gif/ once where a guy let a leech crawl into his peehole. I assume thats what you meant.

>>64084657
I dont know man. I trained with thai troops and singaporean troops and they were completely fine. me and the boys were drinking endless gallons while they operate just fine one their small little canteens. its ridiculous.

>>64084598 (OP)
>Like how bad is jungle warfare really?

There's several US military jungle manuals, there's tons of stuff on living conditions and survival and a lot less about actual combined arms fighting (they instantly say many vehicles can't even traverse jungle terrain and aircraft can't see much from above through several canopy layers).

>>64084710
>me and the boys were drinking endless gallons while they operate just fine one their small little canteens. its ridiculous.

A friend of mine lived in Singapore for a while and he said it takes about 1-2 years until you stop sweating a lot. He also had trouble adjusting to freezing temperatures back home after that.

I guess the body can adapt a bit but if you're thrown in there suddenly, there will be issues.

>>64084735
>I guess the body can adapt a bit but if you're thrown in there suddenly, there will be issues.
Is it a good idea to permanently station some divisions in arctic conditions and others in desert regions and some others in the tropics for maximum acclimation? We should permanently station some marines in the jungles of borneo

>>64084710
It is really crazy I know, course they die as soon as it goes under 20C but they're fine with the humidity.
I did mountaineering and desert warfare and it wasn't too bad really, but it just seems to take ages to adjust to humid climates where its only about 30C which isn't that hot but you're practically swimming every step, they can leave places like Darwin, PNG and most of equatorial SE asia to the spear chuckers and crocs, I don't want anything to do with them

>>64084882
Jungles are the white man's battlefield. Pussy.

>>64084598 (OP)
Not as bad as arctic warfare

>>64084884
No they're not!
You wear a pith helmet, cargo's and a collared shirt and tell the local ooga boogas to go kill some motherfuckers and give them 50c for every head they bring back

I can imagine it still sucks ass
>extremely humid
>hot as fuck
>you can basically set the clock for the daily assfuck rainshower
>getting anywhere is an absolute pain since it takes forever and the hround is often muddy as shit
>while not super likely, there are poisonous snakes and other creepy crawlies around
>sound can be very deceiving. think you hear a waterfall? nope just the largest bees nest I have personally ever seen
>until you become accustomed to the temps, you will sweat so much that water wont even help after a while
>dont hsve electrolyte replenishing drinks? too fucking bad
>probably other shit I forgot

I went for a three day hike in corcovado national park in costa rica and I've hiked in nicaragua a few times
We had light packs and it still sucked
I dont want to imagine how it would feel to lug God knows how much equipment, for an unknown amount of time, with the constant threat of getting killed through the green hell

>>64084899
Singaporeans arent spear chuckers and they mastered jungle warfare. We need to master jungle warfare.

>>64084899
Based and brilliant pilled. Would share port with you and discuss upcoming safaris.

>>64084884
Mountain warfare is the white mans forté
Jungles are for hispanics and small asian peoples

>>64084598 (OP)
The jungle is neutral and it hasn't changed either. It's dark (tall trees), hot, humid (>90%), noisy (insects and animals), muddy and you can't see more than a few meters ahead. The trees are so thick that nothing can shoot through them other than artillery. Thermals are useless because of the trees too. You sweat but don't cool down. It only makes you dehydrated and get cramps. There's mosquitos, giant ants, spiders, scorpions, snakes, tigers, elephants. Most jungles are also hilly and have clay soil. Mix this with the incessant rain and you get slippery muddy ground. Your food rots quickly in the jungle. The water can make you sick. Any injuries will get infected within hours and rot. Jungle warfare is no walk in the park.

The trench foot is no joke. You can avoid it by basically wearing flipfops on all your downtime and constantly airing out your boots and drying your socks, but that assumes you have the downtime to do that.

>>64084598 (OP)
Still pretty bad. IR doesn't work when the ambient temperature is ~90 °F and all that water messes with X-band radar. The good news is that Vietnam's hard clay soil isn't that common so we don't have to worry about tunnels everywhere. Try that in most jungles and the tunnels would flood and collapse.

>>64084598 (OP)
With thermals you'll have a very easy time spotting enemies hiding amongst the vegetation.

>>64085980
That hog is way out in the open. Or was that your point?

>>64084618
What's arial thermal do for jungle warfare?
Canopy blocks your line of sight and even if there's a clearing its harder to spot bodies because everything is 95 degrees already

>>64084598 (OP)
Give the West 2 years into a jungle conflict and we'd have terminator robots stalking the hapless thirdies hiding amongst the trees.

>>64086033
Most of the new hotshit gear is a virtual build up that uses thermal, light enhancement and millimeter wave radars that see right through brush and leaves.
Sort of figures out what works on the fly and you get a presentation that's intelligible to a human being on the other end

>>64086161
That all sounds very fancy, show me

>>64086170
It came out some time ago as part of the ENVG-B program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4fgK5Axwk

>>64084652
This is factually correct. Also socks, for real.
For the POGs saying
>muh dick chafing
Everything chafes in the jungle. Your thighs will chafe, your uniform will chafe, and your kit will chafe, because you are sweating through your uniform, or getting drenched by frequent rains (wet weather gear will literally heat exhaust you). Soggy underwear and wayyy worse for your junk than free-balling. I have a huge girthy, heavy monster dong and have never had chafing issues, although one time I did a 5 mile run in swim trunks, and the cheap liner rubbed all the skin off the from my circumcised head. It was not cash.

>>64084855
The US kept two infantry battalions in the Panama Canal Zone for just this purpose.

>>64086147
how did it went for frogs and amerimutts?

>>64084710
Thats how climate adaptation works, takes about 30 days if exposure to get tolerable as a baseline

>>64086147
Can George Droyds operate in that weather? Curious what vehicle maint is like in the jungle.

>>64084598 (OP)
>Like how bad is jungle
https://youtu.be/uL99NDUWJ0A

>>64084598 (OP)
>be me, vacationing in Japan last August
>hey frens, let's hike this short overgrown trail to that scenic view and watch the sunset, it'll be fun!
>GTFO my pants, spider bro
>and you bigger bro
>and you, ack, aggro fucker
At which point we promptly sought a different activity. Less than a quarter-mile from advanced civilization, and hardly true jungle either.
The anons replying "spiders" do not adequately the agony of finding oneself getting WEBBED by dozens of barely-visible, disgustingly large, ill-tempered potentially venomous invertebrates.
From that experience alone I'm confident that going innajungle to crawl around and be shot at is the highest form of environmental suck on the planet.

>>64085967
You still have to deal with caves though.

>>64084603
>>64084608
>>64084657
how come (non soldier) people whom LIVE in jungles aren't like that? like those primitive\wild tribes, of whom we have pictures by christian missionaries, ethnographers, etc?

>>64087479
They walk around barefoot and buttnaked

>>64084598 (OP)
>Infinite concealment
>Zero cover
>Draws fucking everywhere
It's bad.

>>64084673
Imagine trench foot, but on your dick. That is what happens when you wear underwear in the jungle for prolonged periods of time. Your junk is a natural magnet for bacteria and grime. Combine that with constant sweat, rain and high temperatures and your boxers become a petri dish for all sorts of nasty shit that never dries out.

Even if they had washing machines and detergent, how did they dry their clothes in the jungle during the rainy season?

>>64084855
>We should permanently station some marines in the jungles of borneo

jungle school is in Hawaii now with army guys station there

>>64088048
>your boxers become a petri dish for all sorts of nasty shit that never dries out
>wear no skivvies and bein closer contact longer by wearing the same pants
>or swap skivvies every couple of days and washing them when you get the opportunity
I wont argue with you because some POG will think youre right and get the worst rash imaginable

>>64087479
>how come (non soldier) people whom LIVE in jungles aren't like that?
>like those primitive\wild tribes
Why do you assume that they don't?
You realize those people tend to have horrible standards of living, right?

>>64087479
>how come those people who don't even know what shoes are aren't crippled by these afflictions
They are. I remember watching a documentary about some click click whistle literal who's, and one lady was mourning the loss of her son due to an alligator bite, even though he was very much still alive. The medics with the camera crew patched him up like it was a tuesday and had to explain that no, he wasnt going to die because they dont know what soap is.

>>64084598 (OP)
Myanmar shows it's still just as fucked as ever.
Tech doesn't magically stop hot and wet environments from being fucked.

>>64084598 (OP)

>>64087479
Mostly exertion control, those tribes don't ruck 40kg 10km in a day.

>>64084710
The Singaporean guardsmen I trained with told me they basically stay innawoods for one and a half years. None of them wear underwear and all of them can ruck their gear on one canteen of water for half a day. Did I mention all of them are kids?

>>64088178
>days
How dry do you think jungles are?

>>64088260
There's no tech in myanmar

>>64088630
What "tech" makes fighting in a jungle suck less today than 60 years ago?

>>64088841
Medicine and water filtration, communication (radios), situational awareness equipment (NV, IR, surveillance aircraft, digital and satellite navigation, Nett Warrior), precision fire support, and most importantly more robust logistics tails.

>>64088935
and I feel like such a broken record for saying this, but drones. Even units who are extremely isolated for some reason can get regular MREs, DEET, and fresh permethrin-treated laundry delivered to them DAILY using heavy lift quadrotors like the DJI T100.

>>64088935
>>64088968
I'll grant that hypothetically drone resupply and Casevac will make it a lot less shit but they aren't in service yet.
Helmet thermals and NVGs aren't a game changer in jungle so dense you can only see 20m and you would be better off keeping your peripheral vision.
IR drones will work well over thin canopies but be useless over thick canopies.

>>64086242
It's not about your actual dick, dumbass. It's the flaps of skin that rub in your crotch between your thighs, gooch, asscheeks, and pube bone. Semi-wet and salinated skin on skin is no good.

>>64084598 (OP)
No insect repellants? No camo net to snuggle in? You can forget about sleep. Under the humidity of an average SEA shit-hole, dealing with heat rash is bad enough in a 3-5 day ops while your vest reeks of a fishmonger and dried piss, but dealing with bloodsuckers incessantly whizzing by your ears and sandflies crawling all over your face while catching z's is another. God, I hate the little fuckers.

Malaria medicine, whether for prevention or treatment, requires you to take strong medicine for a fairly long period of time, so you may get sick from the side effects.

neverserved here but if uniforms suck in the jungle and it's generally hell can't the military take a leaf out of the natives' book? i don't mean running around in loincloths but surely there's a reason those people have lived in the worst shit holes for centuries if not millennia?

>>64088968
>drones get btfo by constant anti-aircraft strikes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

>>64089437
>so you may get sick from the side effects.
Better then actually getting fully Monty Malaria, I saw my Dad go through Ross River Valley and that was bad enough I couldn’t imagine seeing him go through with full blown Malaria.

>>64089022
If the jungle are so thick that tanks cant get through then you dont need to worry about it since its fucking impassable terrain

>>64089437
Oh, everyone gets sick because its nasty stuff and you're essentially making all the antibodies to fight that stuff off. My grandfather somehow managed to get both scrub typhus and malaria at the same time in WW2 and in a funny kind of way they seemed to cancel each other out, though he was all kinds of fucked up for about 8 months.
Then he'd sometimes get relapses of malaria every couple of years for about 50 years after, so there's all kinds of nasty variants of it too

>>64089630
>infantry aren't a threat
There are a couple of wars you really need to read about, WW2 Pacific theater and Vietnam.

>>64084652
Don't wear clothes period. It's loin cloth mode or nothing

You're getting brain tumors from the defoliant. Sorry!

>>64084673
Below you hides the dreaded CANDIRU!
This naughty little fish has a penchant for swimming up a man's urethra!

>>64086204
Nothing about that is punching through canopy cover, if anything all the outlines will obscure partial heat signatures coming through vegetation gaps

>>64084598 (OP)
we'll find out for sure as africa continues to pop off

>>64084598 (OP)
List all the properties of the jungle out loud to yourself right now, you fucking retard.

>>64084598 (OP)
>tech has changed and war has changed.
Retard. Good luck droning the enemy when you have no visual from the air

>>64089630
Absolutely insane take

Operated in the jungle, not a soldier perce but related issues.

So the first one is how hard it is to remain in place. If you've tried to remain in place for even half an hour you'll know it's not easy, we'll in the jungle it's particularly hard because noxious insects will crawl into your clothes, your face, eyes, mosquito's are bad enough.

Second issue, malarial disease. If you can't avoid being bitten by hundreds of mosquito's, malarial disease, dengue, encephalitis, etc becomes almost unavoidable.

Third issue is water borne infection. It's not just that the jungle is wet, it's that the water is polluted. So it's impossible to keep scratches and cuts getting infected. I got pulled for third degree trench foot which just kept getting infected and took months to heal.

There are jungle snakes, notably black kraits, which aren't scared of people and will try to sleep in your bedding, vehicles, and these are a very toxic snake. There's also jungle millipedes which are venomous.

The ambient temperature and humidity cause dried goods to go moldy, meat to go rancid, fresh food to root

>>64089470
They make lighter weight and more breathable uniforms now but theybare still hot. But, its better to keep yourself covered. So bugs cant feast on you, your skin isnt coming into direct contact with as much filth/plant life that may give you dermatitis (rot), and protection from sunburn. Anyone who has had to operate in hot humid tropical environments knows putting on sunscreen or bug spray works for shit. Your constant sweat just turns it into a goopy dirt and sweat slop that you try and smear around.
Dry socks will keep you alive, the rest of what you wear will be wet. Forever. The humidity alone will make it wet, even without the buckets of sweat and rainfall. Your skin will get soft and pruny like youve been in the bath too long, this is how people get breaks in skin and bacterial infections.

>>64086585
lots of dead everywhere for everyone

Newer tech wont change much of the fact that the jungle is literall hell on earth to survive and hike through, let alone do ground combat. I would take the desert any day or the freezing temps of the arctic over the jungle.

>>64086961
The US handled Afghan caves pretty easily.

>>64084710
>>64084921
>>64088315
>Singaporeans arent spear chuckers and they mastered jungle warfare.
Lmao. in reality, the best jungle fighters come from countries such as Philippines, Thailand and Malaysia which are severely underrated by Americunts. Only Malaysian Armed Forces has the 'Berani Mati' spirit unlike so-called first world countries. Singapore punks need thwir maids to carry rheir bags and r just livin out childhood fantasies and wud piss a puddle in their panties when the push comes to CQ fighting

Malaysia's strength is in guerilla warfare, they have like 300k reservists militia trained for local terrain, along with special forces. If any high-tech army like Singapore came across the border, it would be destroyed within a month of Malaysian insurgents innawoods. Malaysia had the toughest commando and special force unit in South East Asia. They happen to be the best jungle fighters in the world. Malaysian troops are the only forces in the world to have defeated a communist insurgency. They happen to be the best jungle fighters in the world. In the decades in the fight against the Communists, there is no record of a Malaysian soldier taken alive.

Elite fores all over the world are trained by them. The jungle warfare school in Fort Benning, Georgia was set up by a Malaysian team. The UK, NZ and Australian forces have joint training in Malaysia to learn jungle warfare from Malaysian forces on an annual basis, especially after the Vietnam war. Just learn about Col Charles Beckwith ... he had been part of British Special Air Services (SAS) in Malaya and used the knowledge to further develop US Special Force programmes including Vietnam and Delta Forces. Malaysian Special Force are rooted from SAS the same way and time during his tour there too. Some additional jungle skills from the native were also included, specially in tracking and hiding.

>>64084855
The US does have a Division permanently stationed in the artic, it's called the Canadian Forces.

>>64084598 (OP)
You ever just walked around in a jungle or a similarly super humid environment? Shit sucks hard. That's not even getting into all mosquitos and shit.

>>64084598 (OP)
>tech has changed and war has changed

America will simply not participate in jungle warfare, instead it will just bomb entire forests.

Also good luck carrying all those hundreds of pounds of gear while trekking a tropical jungle.