Thread 64087252

>"$9 billion ship"
>Look inside
>$1.4 billion hull plus $1.2 billion worth of government-furnished equipment
>About $800 million more expensive than the contemporary Burke restarts
>37 Burkes have been authorized since Zumwalt was cancelled
>Instead of 37 Burkes, we could have had 29 Zumwalts for the same price
>This isn't even considering the economy of scale from building dozens of Zumwalts instead of 3
>Zumwalt is stealthier, faster, more efficient, has far greater onboard power generation, provisioned for hypersonic weapons, etc

>>64087252 (OP)
The gun was canceled, well the ammo was and the Navy is just fielding the navy version of Dark Eagle instead.

>>64087312
>Zumwalt offers capability that the Burke doesn't and can't be retrofitted for
I know, that's what I'm saying.

>is a turd
>gets canceled
Good riddance.

>>64087252 (OP)
>*Sharts*
https://x.com/Alsace_class/status/1951886125867626959?

they should have been replacements for the ticos

>>64087252 (OP)
>>About $800 million more expensive than the contemporary Burke restarts
Prove it
Provide the proof
A Zumwalt is $4bil without R&D costs
DDG-1000: $4.2 billion

DDG-1001: $3.8 billion

DDG-1002: $3.5 billion


A Burke is $2.2bil

>>64089164
This photo will make Americans lose many face.

>>64089164
Imagine the smell

>warship
>look inside
>expensive shit
WOAH

>>64089275
ACTUALLY the OP point was that it wasn't as expensive as expected, you FOOL

>>64087397
We need standard VLS cells and powerful radars over stealth and hypersonic missiles that cost $100m+ each.

impressive. Such an honest ship.

>>64087252 (OP)
>look inside
Anon you figured it out without figuring it out.

>>64089164
-5 credit

>>64089164
No SHIT

>>64087312
guns are dumb, it should have just been an arsenal ship loaded up with missiles. Zumwalts are the largest destroyers ever made but they have less VLS Cells than a Tichonderoga.

>>64094984
Their VLS cells are physically larger and could in theory house larger/more powerful missiles, but since they're the only ships with that larger VLS cell size, no missile to date has been developed to take advantage of that increased space.

>>64089213
On top of that, the reason the Burkes were restarted was because they have a radar that can shoot down ICBMs. The Zumwalt can't and it would cost a shitload of money to add SPY-4 radars to those ships. The Burkes are unironically more capable for cheaper.

>>64089213
>>64095032
Flight III burkes are $2.5-3.3B

FY24's order of 2 was $6.4B or $3.2B each
FY25's order of 3 was $8.4B or $2.8B each
FY26's order is for 2 at $5.5B or $2.7B each

>>64095099
That's including the program costs. A Zumwalt many times more expensive no matter how you slice it.

>>64095134
No it's not. The navy bundles the program development cost into the first ship of the class.

I agree zumwalts are still more expensive, but not by a MASSIVE amount, and it's possible zumwalt costs would've come down with a larger production order.

I also agree burkes are still a better deal even at $3.5B due to the Flight III radar and additional VLS cells.

>>64089164
The average Chinese bug man would stab his own mother in cold blood to get an opportunity to lick the shit off a Zumwalt

>>64089164
So it loses panels sort of like submarines do? Doesn't affect the functionality of the vessel itself, but it can slightly increase detection if enough of the coating is removed and it looks unsightly.

>>64095032
>the reason the Burkes were restarted was because they have a radar that can shoot down ICBMs.
That's not why. That radar was developed for the Burke because Zumwalt was canceled. If zumwalt hasn't been canceled, the radar would have been developed for it instead.

The reason the Burkes were restarted is because the Navy needed destroyers and Congress said they couldn't build Zumwalts. Congress had already given approval for the Burke class so they didn't need to get it again.

>total program costs
>8 hundred and elevendy bajillion dollars
>expected to produce 25 units
>cost / unit = 8 hundred elevendy bajillion / 25

>total program cost (cancelled)
>200 elevendy bajillion dollars
>3 produced, program cancelled
>"cost per unit" = 200 elevendy bajillion / 3

Omg so expensive never msde sense everything else that got fully funded and built so much cheaper omg stupid, dumb military so idiot so much retard.

>>64095224
>4 additional VLS cells
>None of them capable of holding next-gen missiles
Wow, how impressive.

>>64097107
Touch grass

>>64097355
We don't need a massive number of $40M+ missiles, I'd much rather have 96 standard VLS cells and SPY-6 over 80 Mk57 VLS cells and 12 hypersonic missiles with a worse radar.

I'm glad zumwalt finally has SOME function, but we simply don't need a large number of $40M+ hypersonic missiles, especially if it came at the expense of the larger/better SPY-6 radar.