Thread 64087740

>anglos used to make warships for japan
>now they make warships for us

>>64087740 (OP)
I’m feeling hopeful, praying that the procurement won’t get fucked up but I’ve already resigned to that possibility

>>64088122
same
this process should have started 10 years ago
same with aukus(if its even still alive)
and i get its just a first order but 3 ships just doesnt feel like enough.
the only way to defend australia is air and sea and if you pooled everything together we would barely be able to defend 1 side of the country let alone any of our allies in the region
but more ships means more personnel which we are also low on

i feel nothing
we will find a way to fuck things up

>>64087740 (OP)
1) Mogami is best girl
2) even witth that silly hat

>>64088122
>>64088169
>>64088227
>>64088300
stop being mongoloids and buy ASEV instead

>>64088477
>ASEV
>Cost: 1 trillion yen ($7.1 billion USD) both ships (est.)
>Displacement: 14,000 t (14,000 long tons) standard
isnt that role already taken by the Hobart-class destroyer?
or the BAE Systems Type 26 frigate?

>>64087740 (OP)
Isn't that the one that managed to earn lots of prestige by gloriously torpedoing 5 IJA transport ships full of soldiers?

>>64088592
>Isn't that the one that
you are so fucking gay its unreal

>>64088572
>$3.55b per ship
Jesus that cost is eye watering, that's more than a Flight III Burke. Do these really offer more capability than just building 2-3 more Mayas?

>>64088629
i assume its more because it almost double the displacement and the same speed as the burke
>2-3 more Mayas?
>Commissioned 20 June 1932
>Stricken 20 December 1944
anon?
also the mogami is 5,500 tons and $450mil
basically free, more displacement, cheaper, newer, less crew, faster than the anzac class it replaces
i know starting with 3 is good to really put them to the test and work out the economy of them but i kind wish they just said fuck it and bought 15 of them and replace the whole anzac frigate fleet and then some in one go

also would be nice if we could make our own shit instead of japanese sloppy seconds

>>64088694
Wrong Maya. These are AEGIS equipped destroyers that are descended from the Arleigh Burke class through the Kongo-class and Atago-class destroyers, though at this point they're quite different.

>>64088753
>Wrong Maya.
i hardly knew her

>>64088694
>i know starting with 3 is good to really put them to the test and work out the economy of them but i kind wish they just said fuck it and bought 15 of them and replace the whole anzac frigate fleet
At the moment, the Aussies plan to buy 11; 3 made by MHI in Japan, and 8 by AMC in WA.

>>64088770
hmmm
im ok with this

a decent choice. 32 strike-length vls is quite a lot of firepower for a frigate; they can do area air-defense and deep strike missions with that.

>>64087740 (OP)
So is this boat the new OHP-class?

>>64089230
no

>>64089230
The new MEKO arguably

>>64089586
Nobody buys German

>>64089586
lol

>>64089592
MEKO was a roaring success in the 80s that really put German warship building on the map as an alternative to OHP

>>64088629
ASEV is more akin to a Flight III burke, but even larger.

Flight III Burkes are $2.5-3B each, so $3.5B for a domestic Japanese enlarged Burke isn't a bad deal.

>>64090781
Correct, and the biggest difference between older burkes, and older JMSDF DDGs and the new Flight III burke and ASEV is the radar.
The US has gone with SPY-6
Japan has gone with SPY-7
older burkes and older JMSDF DDGs use SPY-1D(V) from the late '90s.

The SPY-6/7 radars should provide substantial advantages over the older radars.

>>64089708
Who cares lol, the 80s were almost 50 years ago.

>>64091346
>80s were almost 50 years ago.
get out

>>64089592

>a gook tranny pooplak coper arrives

>>64087740 (OP)
>Finally some good fucking ships.
Now watch us cock it all up somehow.

>>64091390
u old

>>64090781
>>64090921
Also 128 VLS cells over the 96 of Burkes and Mayas. Japan also bought SEWIP Blk III recently, but I have no idea if those are going on ASEV or the older Maya/Atagos.

>>64092280
ASEV would be my guess.

>>64089225
The thing is, this is quite excellent for General Purpose Frigate. Australia will also have the T26 frigate. Two classes of the latest, high-tech frigates. Pretty good deal.

>>64093301
>Australia will also have the T26 frigate
3 ordered, 3 more planned.

>>64093332
plus 3 more highly likely to replace Hobarts

>>64093357
but knowing australia they will get 2 T26 then say "yeh nah we're good" and cancel the rest

>>64093385
that 4th Hobart RIP

>>64093357
>plus 3 more highly likely to replace Hobarts
That will be interesting to see given the T26s are optimised for ASW work and it's an expensive hull to use for AA due to all the noise quieting for antisub

>>64093385
That's Australia for you, always biting off more than it can chew

>>64093392
I agree, but given they already cut the order from 9 to 6, and they have stated they want to roll into the Hobart replacement, and thus keep the 'Continuous Shipbuilding Program', I think the costs outweigh the benefits.
That, and by the time the 6th ship rolls through, you'd think significant cost and time efficiencies would've been gained

>>64090921
SPY-6 is far more suited to an integrated network than 7 because it works with what the West are using now. 7 might work with everything next week no problem but the bird in the hand gets masturbated far faster than the kid who hangs around the arcade all day... but I digress.

>>64092003
It is obviously demonstrated that the older mind does not buy mall ninja nigger shit, use the wrong oil in the car, trade fps for less grains in mass, tolerate nonsense from bitches, and generally spend money more wisely.
YOU are a silly flimsy modern thing.

all aussie military programs are government money laundering schemes
if anything gets delivered its billions over budget and decades late
the officers who arranged the acquisitions are retired with hundreds of thousands in assets and jobs at the organisations they earlier made the deals with

>>64088477
My disappointment is still immeasurable at Japan’s immediate downsizing of potential ASEV designs
I wanted to see 20,000 ton Japanese Kirovs with Type 12 SSMs and SM-3s bolted to every conceivable surface

>>64093463
Fuck going for a Kirov Displacemnt, I want modern day ultra heavy cruisers with the displacement of of the Alaska cruiser. Bring back the Cruiser to support the Carrier and not break the backs of current destroyers getting increasingly stacked with shit

>>64093508
>ultra heavy cruisers with the displacement of of the Alaska cruiser.
japan should make a 50,000 ton ultra heavy cruiser and call it the emperor class.
(dont call me stupid just let me cum ok)

>>64093530
Bring on the Nuclear powered Arsenal Battleships (internal subdivisions up the ass) with 80,000 tons of displacement, Railgun cannons, a gorllion vls tubes for mutiple scenarios, Energy weapons, Heavy Task force defence wewponry and UV CnC systems. Additionally it would make for a juicy target instead of the 100,000 Fords it's protecting

>>64088122
>>64088169
the positive is that it's the japs. we'll probably still fuck it up, but it wont be compounded by fuckery on their end.
>>64088770
if one were theoretically in WA and just down the road from AMC, any idea what the most in-demand skills/trades would be for production? looking for a career change, and it'd be nice to look at a big fucking boat and say 'I did 0.01% of the welding on that'

>>64093562
>Nuclear powered Arsenal Battleships (internal subdivisions up the ass) with 80,000 tons of displacement
i was more thinking it would just be utterly covered in CWIS in various calibers
and Rheinmetall GDM-008
and a few dozen of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU

>>64093672
>looking for a career change,
just keep making these posts
asioniggers will give you call sooner or later

honestly WA has had a decent uptick in glowie activity in the last decade.
wonder why...

>Aussies used to fight Mogamis, now they are buying them
Japan won in the long run it looks like

>>64093687
Take a walk through Shinjuku and check out all the teeny Jap streetwalker ass for sale and say that again

I did a couple and felt like a predator and quit

>>64093684
I doubt asio want anything to do with me given my history of doing dumb shit that could be used against me. I've just spent 15 years on policy and compliance and have the option of a nice redundancy soon, it's a great chance to devote a couple of years to training up and starting out in another industry.

>>64093693
Id rather not since im not a pedo retard who would pay for ass

>>64093693
Sounds like won in the short run too.

>>64093693
Sounds like they won in the short run too.

>>64087740 (OP)
What does it do? All I see is one tiny gun.

>>64093908
it’s not 1945 anymore grandpa, the only gun you’re getting on a warship these days is a single 5-inch/62 and that’s if you’re lucky

>>64093918
What? Don't they make typos in Australia?

>>64093908
1 × 5 in (127 mm) Mk-45 Mod 4 naval gun
2 × missile canisters for a total of 8 Type 17 anti-ship missiles
1 × SeaRAM
16 × Mk-41 VLS

ALL warship designs currently in production or in design MUST allocate room for at least 4 container-launched Dark Eagle missiles

>>64093941
6200 tons for this?
what the fuck?

>>64093941
>>64094106
The 06FFM Mogami that won the aussie tender has a 32 cell Mk-41 VLS and is generally larger than the currently in-service Mogami.

>>64094128
Where are the missiles? I don't see them.

>>64094146
They hide in metal boxes and wait for the perfect time to strike an unsuspecting foe.

>>64094106
You new to modern ships? They’re fucking fat

>>64093941
32 VLS cells, not 16.

Australia bought "New FFM", which is an enlarged mogami-class

>>64093941
>>64094106
Like >>64094128 said you two are mixing the old armament with the new displacement. However clearly you haven't heard of German naval procurement. Pic rel is 300 tons heavier than a Tico.

>>64093421
SPY-7 was made for the same program SPY-6 was, it's just SPY-6 was the one that got chosen.

SPY-7 is still a Lockheed Martin radar that can easily integrate into existing American collaborative combat systems.

Additionally, it's not just being used by the JMSDF for ASEV; SPY-7 is also being used by Canada for their new River-class destroyers, of which they're ordering 15.


SPY-7 itself is also a derivative of the Long Range Discrimination Radar in Alaska, and as such, a smaller modular version is going to be quite simple to integrate with existing US missile defence systems.

>>64088532
cute boy

>>64098891
tomboy*

>>64094106
Most importantly it has a helicopter hanger for 1 helicopter. If I read Tom Clancy correctly, the helicopter is the main weapon platform of the frigate in its most important job which is ASW.

>>64093693
If your country doesn't allow upstanding grown men access to female teenage ass, then you have a kiked country. Non-civilizational. Non-functional. No future.
How can a man be expected to contribute to his society, to his nation, to work for it, to fight for it, to die for it, if he's not properly rewarded for it?
What is the point of a Civilization if there are no teeny females to breed?

>>64098952
Pretty much, yes
2 would have been better as far as ASW is concerned but the increase in capability is incomparable with 1 from 0
The way it is nowadays, a warship without a helicopter hangar is virtually useless, because its so darn useful for all kinds of tasks - scouting, transferring cargo and personnel, launching antiship and antidrone missiles, and landing boarding teams

>>64099083
Also you can prank a carrier by releasing pigs on the deck, unless you count that as transferring cargo

>>64099083
Is New Mogami the Jap's primary ASW platform? It isn't for Australia, which will be the Hunter class.

New Mogami will be Australia's General Purpose Frigate, replacing ANZAC class.

>>64100316
>Is New Mogami the Jap's primary ASW platform?
No, old Mogami were mainly for minewarfare while new Mogami is taking the role of a destroyer escorts. JMSDF primary ASW is built around the Ise class supported by Asahi and Akizuki classes.
>It isn't for Australia, which will be the Hunter class.
For Australia it will be a tier 2 frigate meaning its just gonna do most of the heavy lifting for patrols and other tasks while Hobart and Hunter will be the tier 1
>New Mogami will be Australia's General Purpose Frigate, replacing ANZAC class.
Yes

>>64100316
JMSDF's primary ASW platforms are DDHs and DDs, with 1 DDH, 5 DDs, and 2 DDGs (for wide area fleet air defense) forming a group called Escort Flotilla, which is their basic blue water ASW formation.
>picrel Escort Flotilla 4 for example

>>64101321
>forming a group called Escort Flotilla, which is their basic blue water ASW formation
Not anymore. The 4 escort flotillas are being changed to 3 surface battle groups with 2 structured around the Izumos as carrier strike groups and 1 around an Ise. The other Ise class is being sent to a a patrol defense group.

>>64098908
*tomboat

>>64101464
Oh thanks for the update anon

>>64101464
Is this from the Jap defence whitepaper?

>>64101743
>>64102439
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/expert/articles/2e9f885dcf581cecd782094fed6719b71334c8d6
I forget the exact avenue of announcement, but it might've been the FY25 white paper since this restructure is planned to be finished by the end of FY25 which is early March of 2026. In the end it should be:
>Izumo and Kaga operating it's mixed air wing with it's escorts
>Ise or Hyuga still focusing on
>Other Ise class operating under the patrol and surveillance force likely doing a mix of ASW and operating light fixed wing drones for recon along with some OSS' and the new OPVs
>Mine warfare and amphibious transport consolidated into a sort of littoral combat fleet that focuses on everything from mine warfare to amphibious landings / transportation. Mostly structured around the Osumi's and Bungo classes with old Mogami's as the work horses
iirc one or two of the district forces are being eliminated and it's vessels redistributed as well and I think the Patrol and Surveillance group is taking over the ports. Also pic rel is missing like 1 or two Mogami's that commissioned, but is basically the whole JMSDF surface warfare fleet before the change.

>>64104401
>>Ise or Hyuga still focusing on
focusing on ASW