Thread 64089062

previous hunting thread got deleted, for some reason, idk why, I didn't even get warned. anyway hunting is based and /k/ and was the primary firearms activity before the mid 1980s.
I gotta take a hunters ed class and get some tag because we have a geese season and I fucking HATE geese. they were created by the devil and they deserve to die for their crimes

>/k/
>hunts

>>64089791
I do (and not deer, either)

>>64089062 (OP)
I hunt because just shooting paper is boring and a waste of money. Something about getting a wild animal that never gets old too

>>64089062 (OP)
I shot a rabbit last month using a muzzleloader. was fun.

>>64089816
boof

>>64089810
Not just that but you also get to bring it home, maybe have a meal (I eat almost anything but fox and coyote but use and save everything I can), and if you're a good enough taxidermist or you have a taxidermist and the cash, you get to put it on the wall/a scene or make it into something useful, like a warm hat. And after a hunting season you seem to be way more familiar with your rifle than if you had just taken it to the range. It'll bring out every little problem you will ever have. Scope fogs up? You'll know. Scope view gets blown out in certain conditions? You need a scope shade and you'll know quick. Gun rusts? LOL you'll know the first time you forget the gun in the case for a day, especially if you get rained on. Jams in odd conditions and when used at certain odd angles? You'll find out soon enough. Thought your gun was just fine being x inches long? You'll find out how much it gets stuck on all the underbrush. Thought all that junk bolted on was fine? You'll feel that tomorrow. And the best part is getting to learn a lot about animals you thought you already knew very well. And learn that coyotes (and foxes) are indeed everywhere even if you don't see them.

>>64089833
Yes anon that's probably the sound the gun and rabbit made when it was shot.

>>64089839
Oh and the zero shifts and accuracy. Oh man, those cheap justasgood amazon optics, cheap Barska, and cheap Tasco scopes will show their true colors quick when hunting. Won't take long to find good brands and switch and never look back.

Friend says summer time birds with less feathers can be taken down with trap ammo, you dont need the more expensive bird shot. true?

>>64090616
Sure, you can hunt quail, dove, grouse, etc, with the same kind of shot sizes you'd use for trap. #7, 7.5 or 8 are good for all those things.

>a beretta silver pigeon is $3000
zamn

>>64089850
One thing you will absolutely notice is that many cheap scopes may work just fine in good light but you find they suck ass in low light conditions because they don't render colors properly. And wouldn't you know it, an awful lot of hunting takes place at dawn and dusk. It's hard enough to see many animals in those lighting conditions anyway. It's much worse if the scope has chromatic aberration.

Something else to be careful about is selecting a scope that's appropriate for hunting. I once had a very nice Leupold long range tactical scope. It had very nice glass, no color problems at all, but the crosshair was incredibly fine and not illuminated, so it was very easy to have perfect sight of the game but not know where the crosshair was exactly.

Not been shooting in ages, keep meaning to go but when I have the time free to do it I just want to mong out at home.

>>64090635
I've done pigeons with 7 and 8, I usually use 6 but I figured if my shots on target then it will be dropping either way

>>64090707
Yep, I have some decent semi-vintage scopes that I used to use and while most worked fine, I often wanted a bit more zoom and a slightly nicer reticle. Some of my cheap modern scopes afterwards didn't seem bad at the range, but between zero shifts and their glass quality (which I didn't notice until later) you'd struggle to do certain things with them. I switched to low end Leupold (capped adjustments) and immediately noticed just how damn clear the picture was. It was a relatively small difference (cheap glass has gotten better) but damn, the contrast was so much better and it was ever so slightly clearer and less off-color with no chromatic abberation (yellow/blue IIRC). Really hard to notice if you never compared but night and day once you do. Then low light was better, too. However I did have a vintage-ish Bushnell that to this day, for its objective size, it surprises me that you can gather that much light through it. Not to mention the accuracy on that low end Leupold was multiple times better lol. I compared back to back to back slowly swapping my rings then scope to Leupold and the difference was nuts. Swapped the rings, group shrank substantially. Swapped the scope, same. And never a zero shift or problem ever again from there. Certain lighting conditions (shooting facing the sun, especially setting) is also why I sometimes recommend a scope shade. You might feel silly until you try to shoot at the range or hunt facing the sun and everything gets all washed out. Then you grab a scope shade and see the difference.

>>64091053
Shitty rings are a fucking curse. Frankly, a lot of lower end scopes are not that bad at all but are made shitty by terrible rings. I have a 10/22 I started building many years ago. I've upgraded nearly every part of that gun, but I'm still using the $29.99 Wal-Mart Burris on it....in rings that cost twice that. I just haven't had any reason to replace it, with decent rings it holds zero just fine.

>shade
Yeah, makes a huge difference in the right conditions.

>>64089062 (OP)
Can that hideous fucking sticker not be removed? Why install a light mount over it? How trashy

>>64091113
Barska, not even once, bro. Yes that's some sort of adhesive soaked tape under the rings. No I do not know why they did it. Pencil was me marking the location of my rings just in case. I switched these rings out to Leupold and my groups went from like ~4.5-5" at 50 (yes you heard that right, though it's been a while and I'm going off memory) down to half that on a milspec M4-ish AR. Then I swapped the scope out with Leupold and pretty much halved it again. Best group I have on hand appears to be a 5rd 50yd group at around 0.75" with hunting ammo. Maybe 1-1.5" with bulk. So like 1.5-3MOA (not really enough data to say anything for sure) vs like 8-10 MOA LOL. The rings would randomly loosen themselves too. Sometimes base screws, sometimes clamp screws. Sometimes the zero would wander. Sometimes the scope would cant in the rings. What a fucking nightmare; I will never recommend Barska to anyone. Also depending on when that Burris is made it might not actually be too bad. I hear the cheap nu-Bushnells aren't that bad but I just hate to gamble with a hunting rifle scope. I've beat on my Leupolds so much (not intentionally!) I have a deep trust in them after not once getting a zero shift; the $300 is just worth the trust and quality IMO. Though the shade does look ridiculous on my 10/22 lol.

>>64091123
>Why install a light mount over it?
NTA/not OP but that's a ShotKam (or similar) barrel mounted action camera. I don't like them because they have little to no zoom making video of shooting birds or game further than like 20yds often kinda crap and pointless but that's just me and while I know scope mounted cams are bulky and awkward (and most shotguns don't have scopes) I think scope mounted is just infinitely better. Used for vloggers/youtubers, reviewers, and either to record hunts or learn if you're over/under on leading your shot or you're pulling shots.

>>64091113
And for clarity, yes I removed the tape before putting the Leupold rings on.

>>64091195
>Yes that's some sort of adhesive soaked tape under the rings. No I do not know why they did it
I know why they do that. Good rings require precise machining. Precise machining is expensive. Putting a layer of squishy crap in there lets them get away with sloppier machining tolerances and then the rubber junk takes up the slop.

>>64091123
The stickers are removable. That's probably an advertising photo for Browning and they left the stickers on deliberately.

>>64090616
Cruel. Waterfowl shooters are basically scum, they think they miss but they hit most birds who take a small pellet then die slowly in a ditch over a week

>>64091232
>summertime birds
>waterfowl
lol

>>64089062 (OP)
Why spend thousands on some fudd slop when you shoot them with your 11.5 PSA AR?

>>64091306
I would love to watch your retarded ass try to shoot a bird or clay in flight with your gay noisemaker.

>>64091318
Just shoot them on the ground

>>64091350
Where's the fun in that?

>>64091306
>thousands

>>64091232
You can tell when you wing one or have a cripple. Typically you'll see it break formation and come down in another field; often you can still recover it but there's absolutely some loss. I love goose hunting but the lost and wounded birds do bother me.

>>64091306
This is my new favourite forced meme, thanks anon

>>64091383
>spend more, get less
>not the 2x barrel combo for $10 less (albeit without shipping and before transfer fees, no in-store pickup)

>>64091306
>>64091350
Absolutely barbaric, such is the life of a peasant. Once you start using "fudd" guns you'll never go back to tactical marketing slop.

>>64091473
>that frog on the shelf
Holy fuck you shot him anon, thank you so much for freeing us from spam!

>>64091232
>>64091232
That's why good dog is a must.

>>64090707
that's kind of funny because most guys get skinner sights or xs sights for henry or marlin lever actions now and the skinner guy fucking seethes about red dots, despite there being multiple posts on the forum he goes on complaining how hard the sights are to use at dawn and dusk and he sells paint for the front sight.
though I guess his big issue is he just hates open emitters, so he has a closed emitter chinkshit red dot now but before he sold open emitters on LQD mounts (sightmark so still chink shit) with the instructions or suggestion to only mount the red dot in poor lighting where you can't just use the peeps. I think he stopped selling the dovetail weaver mounts too, even though they were based and several other companies sell them, basically it was a section of weaver that mounted to the factory dovetail for the rear sight basically all lever guns have in the barrel and the skinner sights are high enough you can see over the mount but not over the red dot so with a QD return to zero mount you can switch between the irons and red dot and the red dot is basically always better, but especially for shit lighting conditions

>>64089791
>thread isn't titled /k/unts

>>64089062 (OP)
Leaving the sticker on your gun is as retarded as leaving the sticker on a stupid looking niggerhat.

>>64091232
good. fuck waterfowl

>>64091306
>shooting birds with an AR
also some game animals require more than .223 due to ethical or legal reasons. 5.56 is good for killing people but would take multiple rounds to down a bear or an horse

>>64091428
>>64091383
yeah I bought a retrograde (and then replaced the stock, though I still have the original stock) and getting a 28 inch barrel was almost the same prices as the gun itself

>>64090688
Not a hunting shotgun

>>64091667
They fly for miles, I'm not talking the badly wounded ones that go to ground but even they can take days to die

>>64092014
>Beretta silver pigeon isn't good for hunting
>They don't make it specifically in both "field" and "sporting" models
Were you dropped on the head as a baby?

>>64089791
Slimed this piggy earlier in the week along with 3 others. Going back tomorrow morning.

I asked on QTDDTOT and got ignored, so I'll ask here:
Friend and I decide to get into deer hunting together. I bought a Ruger American gen 2 in 308. It's been boresighted, I just need to zero it. I know a hunters safety course is the next thing I need to figure out. What else do I need to get or do, and are there common mistakes I should avoid (like buying unecessary or meme gear) and any must-haves that a beginner wouldn't know about?

>>64092121
Marketing. They're a trap gun. Rich men imagine themselves walking the fields with a trap gun and that's it

>>64092334
Identify your target and use a ballistic calculator to know your trajectory

#4 shot small game supremacy

>>64092533
Can't wait for some faggot to come in and say
>Uhm ACKTUALLY you can't use shotguns for small game because... MUH 22 IS BETTER OKAY? 22 totally works for large game too, my dads uncles nephews brothers sisters cousins from elbonia use it all the time on 5000lb bears, trust the science!

>>64092548
Not sure anyone is going to deny a 12 gauge will nail a squirrel

>>64092525
>rich men dream of $2500 silver pigeons
I dunno man, Im poor and I dream of $250,000 H&Hs and Purdeys

thoughts on a Mossberg 835 turkey waterfowl combo for clays, turkey and water fowl hunting? Does the overbored barrel really ruin patterns like some people say?

>>64092248
kek, I should post this to /pw/

>>64092334
don't buy shitty scopes. also depending on your state/how far you think you are hunting you might want a dope chart. like you obviously aren't .30-30 hunting but a lot of .30-30 hunters don't need to care about dopes because they only shoot point blank

>>64092585
Meant to say they actually buy the gun for their hunting dreams that never eventuate

>>64092601
Wouldn't want to risk it because the patterning of a shotgun is extremely underrated

based, fuck geese

>>64091232
Goose feet typed this post

>>64092601
Not very good, IMHO. That gun doesn't pattern very well. It does have less recoil due to the overbored barrel, but that also means less power. There's no such thing as a free lunch. In my opinion the only real benefit that gun has is taking the edge off recoil with heavy turkey loads, but those are a meme anyway, IMHO, and the only real point in using them is if you really have to push your range. But the problem is: if you really need maximum range then the last thing you want is an overbore barrel. That is also a problem if you want to hunt geese. Yeah the 835 helps with recoil, but the last thing you want is to cuck your range on a goose gun, *especially* if you're shooting steel shot.

>>64093102
jajaja

Blew this niggers brains out this morning along with his mom right after.

planning to get a savage revel in 22 mag for squirrel season
its gonna be fun

Been practicing a lot with the 20 gauge

>>64094770
>buying canadian guns

>>64094810
yes
and there is nothing you or the mossad can do about it

>>64094836
mossad wants you to buy canadian guns

>>64094043
this

>>64092023
NTA but that's why I'm not too thrilled about the idea of getting into hunting with shotguns. Stationary stuff, fine. Moving stuff, man you can hit the thing with anywhere from 0, 1, half, or all the fucking pellets and do any amount of damage to the pelt or meat in the whole range of jack shit to gore-fest. I don't really like shooting unless it's a completely stationary animal so shotguns turn my whole idea of hunting on its head, which doesn't help. Then again, I have heard of/seen guys cut open various game only to find healed bullet wounds from shotguns IIRC so maybe the same isn't quite as applicable to mammals as long as they don't get hit in the gut. You can also really fuck up a rifle shot but under 50yds a lot of stuff is injured enough it isn't going very far unless there's a den hole nearby.

>>64097227
hunt geese since they are assholes anyway so their suffering is based

>>64092248
>slimed this piggy
What did he mean by this

>>64092334
Don't buy cheap scopes like the other anon said. Don't buy cheap rings from Literallywho&Co. Don't buy cheap rails from Literallywho&Co. Plainly, don't buy cheap scope-related shit from a company you never heard of or is suspiciously cheap. I tend to buy Weaver brand (picatinny) rails as they're cheap but good despite them being bought out and their scopes no longer being US made and weirdly their scopes becoming a Natchez exclusive. Yes the name of the company is a bit confusing considering "weaver" is another kind of scope rail. I tend to buy cheap Leupolds (~$300) and their cheap rings (~$30). Very reliable and they don't lose zero. If you ever buy another scope I highly recommend buying a Wheeler FAT wrench and tightening the fasteners of the rings to manufacturer specifications. I also use it on my stock screws and anything that might affect accuracy. Just peace of mind. If you want to get a set of shooting sticks or a tripod for certain kinds of hunting from the ground, I highly recommend just going straight to Primos Trigger sticks (tall, works standing and sitting). I tried the shooting stick Swaggers (IIRC there's a code for like 15-20% off, coyotecraze15 or coyotecraze20, something like that, which is from The Last Stand's sponsorship) and I needed the taller ones for standing. The strength of them didn't exactly inspire confidence as I broke one right off the bat first time trying it out. Good CS, though. Like, amazing CS. No questions asked here's a new one good. Never tried the bolt-on-rifle model but I did find a Tikka or something with them on at a LGS and sat with them. IIRC they seemed fine. Much better. Just don't like the box on my rifle and would rather keep a Primos tall trigger stick tripod with me even if I do have to take it apart once or twice a season (July/Nov to Feb) to clean the dust off the braking system's pads.

Some anon a few weeks back posted a screaming deal for a carbon fiber stocked Howa 1500 in 6.5 Creedmoor, so that's what I'll be using for mule deer this year. The action isn't quite as nice as the Tikka I was originally saving my shekels for, but it's damn accurate. What hunting bullets do you recommend?

>>64092334
Also, yes, shoot your rifle at a range, even just for practice/rifle familiarity and to work out any kinks so you don't find them in the tree stand when it'd be nice to have a functioning rifle. I hope to god you have a good range that has more than the basic 50/100yd lanes. If your scope has drop marks/hashes then like >>64093105 said, it's nice to go shoot and find out for sure what your drop is like. And how accurate you and the scope are at various distances. Once you find what mark is what then I highly recommend drawing your reticle and noting what hashmarks are correct at what distances. THEN you should probably make a nice copy at home and scan and print out a copy. Maybe laminate it if you want to go crazy. Stick it on your stock or scope with 3M electrical tape. I say 3M because the cheap shit turns sticky and nasty quick. And while I highly doubt this will apply to you, also know your shooting up/shooting down drop as well. This is much harder to practice for what should be obvious reasons but just keep it in mind. It may not be as exaggerated at the angles you may shoot at, but it does still apply, say, if you're shooting at a low spot near your deer stand that's mounted particularly high, or something. Minimal on animals that size, but still applies. Not that I've ever hunted from a treestand. But I did notice this happening one time shooting at squirrels almost directly above me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWYcsRr7T6E

Meme gear...some kinds of scent cover (applied to you) maybe? Hard to say. I keep it simple (stupid) and buy the Scent Killer detergent just so I don't smell like a god damn perfume factory. I hate what happened to clothes detergents; I have to wipe out the tub of the machine with baby wipes to get rid of the excess perfumes left in the machine, it's nuts. I think the days of crazy amounts of neat hunting gadgets from random small companies is mostly over; shame because a lot of it was good. (maybe cont.)

>>64092334 (cont'd.)
Rangefinder. If you need one, cheap ones aren't horrible, somehow. I use a Visiocrest B-3280 and haven't (yet) needed it but every time I make a measurement it lines up with what google maps reports within a handful of yards under 300 or so. Obviously kinda a golf model because it has a flag pin mode that works well for lone trees and posts lol. Brush and fog can interfere with readings though. I might "upgrade" to one I found at a used junk sale that also isn't quite name brand but works better with glasses. Sunglasses. Make sure, if you like wearing them, that the gun shoots well while wearing them. Even if the problem I mostly have is sunglasses often making contrast shit innawoods. This sucks a lot on early season days where I need them out of the woodline but have to take them off in the woodline and miss squirrels that are on the edge or can't quite see stuff as well in tall grass. Ear pro. I still recommend Howard Leight Impact Sports even if they do some funky things to my hearing at times. Highway noise being amplified high despite being like 700-1000+yds in the distance over a hill with woods, animals far away sounding right next to me, reducing my ability to hear directionally surprisingly harshly, that kind of thing. But hearing anything well and even slightly amplified at that is better than hearing nothing with normal muffs/plugs. I can snoop on conversations at the range 25yds behind me even if they're rather quiet, lol. It's not all downsides, don't let me sound like they're bad, they're not. It's just tradeoffs and frankly, with normal muffs/plugs you have none of the benefits with the downside of can't hear shit. Anything is an improvement.
(cont.)

>>64094770
Why 22 mag for squirrel? I'm only getting one for slightly bigger game for power/wound channel reasons. I've heard they fuck up squirrels pretty harshly IIRC, though maybe you're using lower power CCI or something.

>>64092334 (cont'd.)
Binoculars/monoculars are a nice thing to have for any kind of game. Deer maybe not as necessary, but if you need to count tines it's great. But also make sure that if you get something or might want to use something you already have it will work in all situations. What do I mean? Well, does it fog up if you use it outside (and not eventually even out, acclimate, and become clear again). Scopes will (externally) fog up when taken out of the AC especially in the heat; they will acclimate, and clear up but it takes a minute or two. If scopes or other optical devices have lost their nitrogen purge and leaked, they will fog up and water will internally bead up. That's bad. So check used/old optical stuff before use. Personally I use a little 10x Vortex Solo because extended, it works without glasses. Collapsed, it still works pressed up against your glasses. Great for sunglasses or glasses use (check your rangefinder can also do this if you wear glasses). It's """only""" $80. I recommend making a paracord lanyard for it to put around your neck. Same length that works around your neck also works looped on a backpack strap or other loop on your clothes. Either way you wear it, put it in your left chest pocket or left arm pocket (assuming right handed) and it's nicely out of the way but secured. I think that's it. Only other thing is I tend to carry a second magazine (squirrel hunter) not because I may run out of ammo, but because you do not want to fuck around with a magazine after a jam should the highly unlikely scenario occur where it's too fucked to figure it out after a first shot in the heat of the moment. Maybe I mostly do this because I'm mainly a 22LR hunter (and soon to be 22 magnum) but I also take a second 20rd with my AR. Not a lot of weight and it doubles your round count should trouble find your ass so IMO it's worth it. Or two is one and one is none if you want to look at it like that. Whatever.

>>64092533
nice

>>64094787
20g is the way, the truth, and the light for s'all game& upland. Lighter& handier for a full day of hunting

>>64089816
I shot my load into your mum.

>>64092528
>use a ballistic calculator
Or shoot.

>>64090880
Something about bolt action shotties gets my dick hard. My buddy has a bolt action .410 that he takes when we go rabbit/squirrel/frog hunting& it is such a sweet handy little bastard

I'm about to try Burris signature zee rings with the funny inserts for my new full field iv. I've never seen any input on them so I'm hoping they're ok. Burris usually makes good glass for the price but I don't know how they do with tings

>>64098667
>rings with the funny inserts
RUN AWAY

>>64098667
I wasn't going to say anything but yeah >>64098719 it feels like the designer had a visit from the good idea fairy. Ie. make some shit that in theory would work. Maybe it would hold zero in reality but it feels like it shouldn't or that it should rotate somehow. Frankly I have no idea what the fuck they're supposed to do. What do the other numbered inserts do? Are they offset or some shit? Every page is vague about them and just says yeah it'll totally center your scope for you even if your mounting is a little off (okay...?).

My suggestion, go to local Cabelas/Bass pro and pick up one of the following depending on height requirements;
https://www.leupold.com/rifleman-1-in-detachable-low-matte
https://www.leupold.com/rifleman-1-in-detachable-medium-matte
https://www.leupold.com/rifleman-1-in-detachable-high-matte
IIRC I used the Leupold see-through ones for my AR just to get the height, probably these;
https://www.leupold.com/rifleman-1-in-detachable-see-thru-high-matte
They're all like $30 a pair. Then torque to spec (but let's be real, most people don't have a FAT wrench). Never a problem with them. I own two medium matte sets and one see through high (?) matte.

>>64098667
forgot 2 pic

>>64098743
I guess we'll see. I didn't expect much but gave them a shot at 50% off (bad sign I'm sure)