Which 6th gen aircraft will enter service first?

>>64093362 (OP)
Will the US sell left?

>>64093384
The F-35 only worked out as well as it did because of the massive economies of scale that came with international procurement. 6th gens will be even more expensive per unit and the total R&D budget will also be much bigger, which means that they're going to need even more airframes to spread out that cost over

>>64093362 (OP)
GCAP. And it's not a good thing. China doesn't have any real 6th gen. they only have stealthy 4th gen larping as 6th gen.

>>64093362 (OP)
How many of right will left kill?
The answer is all of them because when you pretend in war the enemy overestimates you and you end up being taken seriously by a professional military that's prepared to delete your entire inventory and capacity to make more.
The only serious aircraft the PLAN and PLAAF has is the J-16

>>64093548
Explain the plane generatjons 1-6
>Stealthy 4th gen larping as 6 gen
So a 5th gen?

>>64093597
None, because the left are just PPTs

>>64093362 (OP)
there are only 2 6th gen aircraft in this image and it's not the chinese ones, identified and angry chinkshill.

Chinatard spends at least 40 hours a week shitting up 4chan.

>>64093671
China only sends out their J-16s because everything else they have is fake.
At least Russia gave them flankers. The J-20 and the J-35 are just body kits.

>>64093613
>So a 5th gen?
No, 5th gen is not just stealth, otherwise the F-117 would be a 5th gen.
5th gen require powerful radars that can act as a AWACS and datalink to others in the fleet while staying LPIR. Multirole capability, complete sensor fusion and augmented SA, powerful on board processing power, secure datalink communications across the globe (already tested with Denmark.)
China doesn't have any of these beside subpar stealth.

>>64093362 (OP)
Unironically are any of the chink x planes 6th gen. They look slick, but are they really as good as claimed?

>>64093834
>Have any been tested in combat?
No
>Or at all?
No

>>64093384
The current plan is to sell a monkey model, per the president.

>>64093362 (OP)
why on earth would the american planes which are still just concepts enter service first?

Something like an RQ-180 is more stealthy than any manned fighter can be. Weaponized versions of them will be the missile trucks most likely in the future.

None on the right are 6th gen so left

>>64094047
>the Chinese really think this
Because unlike chinkshit which is extremely low quality, a lot of R&D and testing has to go into an American warplane.
You'll notice how they'll have 60:1 k/d ratios in an actual war and that 1 will be some of your shitty fuselage body kit getting sucked into an actual 6th gen fighter's air intake.

Serialized? Whatever the US makes.

>First stage of grief:
>>64094087
>>64093674
>>64093548

>>64093410
But it's simply too expensive to maintain the F-35, let alone an even more expensive jet

>>64093727
>China doesn't have any of these beside subpar stealth.
Base off of...?

>>64094159
Can you prove they have any of that?

>>64094100
>a lot of R&D and testing has to go into an American warplane
How do you test a drawing? Fold it into a paper plane and throw it?

>>64094159
No RAM. Design choices can only do so much.

>>64094222
serious or bait question? With frogtards you never know.

>>64093362 (OP)
Genuine question: How do we know that the three on the right are really 6th gen?

>>64094100
China has the best engineers in the world at this point.
You can't be the globe's workshop without learning a thing or three on the way.

>>64094501
>China has the best engineers in the world at this point
Which is why they have to steal so much IP and most of their military designs are copies or clones of existing hardware.

will there be a 6th gen that has no vertstabs and canards simultaneously?

>>64093685
At least he gets paid to do it... right?

I need just 5.5gen like this.

>>64093362 (OP)
I'm calling it now. The first 6th gen will not see action just like the f22. RIP the f22. Built for an enemy that died of old age.

>>64094511
>the word for word excuses E*ropeans made in the 1800s when America was pirating their ideas
There's no monopoly on physics MBAtard.

>>64094617
America had working copyright and patent laws before most European countries, it was one of the reasons it overtook them in such little time despite being mostly undeveloped wilderness before the 20th century

>>64094603
I hate Tomcatards so much it's unreal

>>64094117
>first stage of grief
i understand you're grieving that this board's good will for your constant shilling efforts have dried up, identified and angry chinkshill, but as it turns out being as unsubtle and low-IQ as you are has it's consequences.

>>64093362 (OP)
NGAD is already in service.

>>64094873
impressive!

>>64094996
what's impressive is the amount of thirdie seething the F-47 causes, so much so that they start trying to use the implessive meme back, not understanding why it works on china and not on the US.

>>64095067
>so much so that they start trying to use the implessive meme back, not understanding why it works on china and not on the US.
turdies are pretty much meat-bots, they lack the self awareness necessary to understand such things.

>>64094203
Based off of all OSINT, the J-20 has most of not all of that.

>>64095090
>OSINT
You don't even know what that means, chink.
>the J-20 has most of not all of that
care to post evidence of a single one?

>>64094501
Most of China's engineers are the functional equivalent of temp laborers.
An entire football stadium packed with their engineers wouldn't be able to design a jet engine with unlimited funding without the Russians and also stealing western technology.
Which is why they're still flying monkey model Flankers.

>>64095105
>the nigga stuck in 2007

>>64093685
>getting paid to shitpost on a mongolian horse riding forum.
>living the dream.

>>64095098
Why are you seething this hard?

>>64095105
>Most of China's engineers are the functional equivalent of temp laborers.
Where did you get this information from?

>>64094689
Variable wings are sex. Too bad they're maintenance nightmares.

>>64095067
>something that doesn't exist causes seethe
Impressive 3D models, Bill! Hope to see it flying some time soon!

>>64093362 (OP)
>ITT: Turdies coping and seething the US does black site tech trials instead of flying shit about to save face

>>64095189
>produce jpegs after jpegs to save "credibility"
impressive

>>64095154
why are you projecting?
>>64095170
>>64095233
indeed, which is why you're here whining about the F-47 prototype and angry that the non-6th gen chink planes are not comparable to it, chinkshill
looks like you still have a bit of seethe left over from when you were humiliated a few days ago, identified and angry bad-faith chinkshill.

>>64095159
The chinese government says "Make this many engineers" and so local governments start counting factory laborers and repairmen as engineers.
The quality of Chinese engineers is about as bad as the quality of Indian engineers. Sure, there are a few really good ones, but the majority of them couldn't pick their noses without a much more senior engineer directing the finger.
it's 100% central government corruption, the actual number of engineers in China is about 1/5th of what they tell you it is.

>>64095257
i just got here. Thanks for the reminder. BTW, can I see it?

thought so

>>64095267
>i just got here
nah, you didn't lol
>NOOO STOP IDENTIFYING ME
lol, chinkshill, you need to understand that higher IQ peoples in europe and the US don't fall for that sort of thing, you tried that a few days ago when you were humiliated as well, it doesn't work.
>c-can i see it
i know you have the memory of a goldfish, but it was just explained to you why westerners test their equipment in secret and don't intentionally fly it around at low altitude because they actually only have a bodykit that they need to show off to make people think it's implessive, only china and other thirdies do that.

>>64095265
The average American engineer at a graduate level is competent, the average Chinese engineer at a graduate level is not. China has similarly skilled top-level engineers to the EU and USA but a LOT of them went to school overseas whereas the Chinese-taught ones are about at the level of a maintenance technician who got their crash course at a community college.
Chinese engineers also work 6x9 hours a week and care only enough about their jobs to not get fired, so we have a lot in common with them.

>>64093410
More than half of all F-35s are in US service, it absolutely would have been possible without international sales.

>>64095346
Arguably would’ve been better kept domestic as foreign companies gobbled up workshare generally disproportionate to their relative order sizes. If memory serves the UK and Italy particularly made out like bandits.

>>64093362 (OP)
Mine will!

>>64095257
nice buzzwords, kiddo. Where's your "F47"?

>>64095154
So you can't prove a single one? I got it. Typical of chinks. All bark no bite.

>>64095267
>can I see it?

>>64095522

That looks like a j-35 draken a lot. Sure it isnt one of the american drakens?

>>64095489
>n-nice buzzwords
you don't get to call anyone a kid, retarded bad-faith schizo, you've been intentionally shilling on this board multiple times a day for years, that takes a special kind of retardation
>w-where is it
chinkshill is completely mindbroken, it's like he didn't just have it explained to him, he's so pissed off there's nothing else he can come up with lmao.

>>64095458
why are you replying to your own OP, identified chinkshill? don't you think that's a little cringeworthy, attempting to samefag this poorly?

>>64095566
>american drakens
The only Drakens in the US are at the NTPS. And they are only in a static display nowadays.
Now, can you prove the J-20 has any 5th gen characteristics?

>>64095573
>zero(0) evidence of F47 existence
nice cope man, you can talk when your F47 is seen anywhere lmao

>>64095690
>zero evidence of chinese 5th gens
implessive

>>64095699
nice cope lmao. The chinks might not have 6th gen planes but the F47 is nowhere to be seen. All we have is 3D renders like some zigger wunderwaffe lmao. Oh how the turntables...

>>64095780
i didn't say anything about 6th gens retard

>>64093727
>this is what your procurement office types after reading 1 (one) lockmart pamphlet
golly gee I thought 5th gen was actually based off of supercruise, stealth and BVR.
Oh, I got the wrong pamphlet, that's the one from the F22! Silly me.
you stupid fucks go through one technical writing course and all of a sudden you got retards taking you seriously

>>64095819
lmao, seething chink

two concurrent threads at all times

>>64093362 (OP)
We already have video footage of China flying those things, plus it's been known they've been getting more flight hours annually than USAF at this point. My money's on them.
US would've beaten them to the punch with NGAD but it ran into severe delays in the last 2 years with Kendall basically announcing they had to put the program on pause last year.

>>64096227
The US has chosen one design to proceed with. A design which they claim has already flown, regardless of if there's public a sighting of it.
China is testing multiple designs around a few different ideas, and prototypes capable of flight do not guarantee production.
An actual rollout and adoption could be either side first. But my money would be on the US, just like where the B-21 was just a render. Until it wasn't.

>>64096227
vely olganic post chinkspammer

satellite constellations like starlink are the most important thing for air dominance in the next 20 years. US has a ten year headstart on that, but China will start catching up soon

datalink and AWACS will all be done through LEO swarms, and even kinetic effecttors will be in LEO soon as well (brilliant pebbles again)

>>64096249
>A design which they claim has already flown, regardless of if there's public a sighting of it.
In fairness the same could be true for China, well before these sightings. Plenty of PLA watchers out there weren't surprised by their recent test flights, all it did was just give additional confirmation to what they've been noting for years already. I remember stuff like https://www.twz.com/42937/tailless-fighter-like-airframe-spotted-at-chinese-fighter-jet-manufacturers-test-airfield making the rounds years ago.

>>64096292
>this is the kind of retard in charge of procurement
Maybe Sprey wasn't so bad after all.

>>64096311
It's true though

>>64096292
desu I've always wondered how that strategy fits, considering the US extracts far more value out of such systems than China does at the moment, given their current strategic position
basically what's stopping China from just blowing all that shit up when the shooting starts, after doing the math and figuring they'd make it out of space MAD better than the Americans?

>>64096337
for starters, it won't exist.
stop believing elon's grift for DoD funding
landing a rocket ass down head up only solves the economics portion of space utilization, it doesn't solve fundamental physics problems with space to air/ground warfare.

Why are all you fags so obsessed and always jumping the gun about declaring the arrival of the 6th gen when we’ve barely started making 5th gen fighters, and most countries are just doubling down on updating their 4th gen fighters?

>>64096375
>we've barely started making 5th gen fighters
>geopolitical rival started making aircraft that succeed their own 5th gen program
>"why are you guys so concerned"
you're not a boiling frog, you're looking down a loaded M2 and asking everyone to stop being concerned because you're still holding a musket

>>64096375
Because OP is literally obsessed with proving China's military/technological prowess to this mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>64096292
>starlink
do you even know what it does you tard?

>>64096687
provides high bandwith low latency data everywhere on earth and is highly resilliant to jamming or kinetic intervention?

and the DOD is already buying similar constellations with sensors on them, and with interceptors on for golden dome

>>64096781
and a bunch of modems on the sky are going to do what now?
also
>highly resilliant to jamming or kinetic intervention
citation needed
>golden dome
stop

>7th gen
lol. lmao even.

>>64096856
>another jpeg
impressive

>>64097150
yeehaw ya please gotta understand sir

7th gen will be a spacecraft. ssto. radar stealth. optionally manned.

>>64096227
Why do you keep samefagging your own OP, chinkshill?

>>64096387
Seeing as they're parading the fact the J10 beat a J20 in an exercise, I don't think their 5th gen is much of a threat so what's the chances their 6th is finally good enough to outperform a knock off of a Jewish 4th gen

>>64095265
>>64095305
You're making these claims based off of what? Have you been to Chinese engineering colleges?

>>64097838
This is a bad faith chinkshill thread anyway, nobody cares

>>64096856
impressive 3D model!

>>64096856
Why did we lag so hard on hypersonics like this actually? The US had Hypersonic testbeds like 20 years ago but somehow China and Russia are the only ones with actual hypersonic weapons in 2025. Was it all just turned into black project stuff the public doesn't know exists?

>>64097953
>US tests hypersonics that can go Mach 20
Fail to meet goal
>Oh but we have several that can do Mach 5
Hurka durka failed project

>>64097953
>Russia
I can see China having some but ziggers are far behind western technology

>>64097975
So it's that US doesn't settle for less than mach 20?

why does the F-35EX concept, an evolved version of the current F-35, look essentially identical to the J-20?

>>64097953
>actual hypersonic weapons
The german v2 was a hypersonic weapon by thirdie definitions.

and why does the F-35GX concept look essentially identical to the J-36?

>>64097898
How many times are you going to screech this in the hope that people will finally stop mocking your failure of an existence, identified chinkshill?

>>64097953
>see hypersonic wunderwaffe.
>it just normal cruise missile.
>it's not even good cruise missile because shit thrust vectoring and shit accuracy.

>>64093834
China literally has not produced a single stealth aircraft. They are still in 4th gen territory. It's picrel all over again

>>64098242
absolutely adorable picture

>>64098016
Not so funny now that the shoe is on the other foot, huh? But please keep posting 3D renders like some turdie nation trying to impress everyone

>>64098300
>n-not so fun-ACK
what do you mean “on the other foot” chinkshill, there is no “other foot”, nobody has to prove anything to a troll, and when you say
>uhhh here’s pictures of 3 chink bodykit 4th gens
>n-now show your 6th gen!!!!
You just look kind of silly, the western black projects currently flying are not even in the same league as the chinkshit you keep comparing it to, i understand you’re very slow, but try to remember it this time.
You keep repeating this retarded sentence as if it’s a slam dunk, when the only thing it does is identify you as the bad-faith chinkshill and make people snicker at your barely disguised emotional outbursts.

>>64098409
Just woke up.
Can I see it?
Thought so

>>64098409
>muh super sekrit BLACKED projects
Literally zero evidence of anything you stated. Keep on coping with your vaporware "projects"

He thinks the same thing when he looks down between his legs.

>>64098505
>>64098516
>just woke up
You went to sleep for 1 hour out of sheer exhaustion, and the moment you wake up you’re right back to snarling and seething?
Jesus christ chinkshill, take better care of yourself, you’re not gonna reach 40 years of age at this rate.

>>64094487
>in court
>one party has to prove
This isnt court and all parties need to prove all of their claims.
Fuck off.

>>64098409
seeing americans self-destruct online over china's recent successes is so embarrassing
i'm getting second-hand embarrassment from this

Why do those yellow women like americans so much I wonder.

>>64098583
>seeing americans
I’m not american, there’s plenty of people around the world that make fun of your embarrassing behaviour, you’re a freak.
>china’s recent successes
Intentionally “leaking” three 4th gen aircraft by flying them at low altitude over a populated area so they can impress failed men like yourself with
>oooooh look they have the facety shapey, very impressive!
and
>oooh le tailless planes are impressive because my thirdie brain thinks tailless = 6th gen
The only embarrassment you should be feeling is for yourself, bud, a retarded schizo feeling sorry for everyone else doesn’t hold a lot of weight.

>>64098579
Indeed, only thirdies need to prove their claims, because they are historically untrustworthy liars and western powers tend to care less about puffing up their military assets, for practical reasons.

>>64098786
>western powers tend to care less about puffing up their military assets, for practical reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y_bgiQwKJU
I'm pretty sure you can just type in <insert european country here> colonel F35 and find a shill video trying to convince everyone in their parliament to please buy the F35 by talking out their ass.
Coincidentally, every single one of them is trying to start their own gen6 program. I wonder why? Must be because American planes are so, so good.

>>64098807
>country makes public statement explaining the procurement of a new aircraft, why the decision was made, and what it will bring to the table in plain terms
>third worlder bad-faith chinkshill tries to equate this with intentional propaganda tactics where you "leak" images of an aircraft that you are pretending is super secret by intentionally flying it low over civilian areas and then having your shills foment a bunch of narratives about what it is, when you haven't given out any useful information.

the problem with your argument is that this is simply not a shill video, no matter how hard you no u, you just can't find equivalents to the disgustingly insecure behaviour that you and your ilk display on a daily basis.
what makes it even funnier is that by the time that video was put out, the F35 had already been procured by norway, the IQ difference between me and you is just that large.

>>64098807
>western countries domestic efforts get brutally mogged by the F-35
>they step up their efforts to develp something competitive so they don't get completely erased from the market.
>chinkshills: "the f-35 is bad because it just is ok!"

>>64093362 (OP)
the .jpg one's for sure
DEFINITELY NOT the ones flying Chinese ones

>>64098866
Why is it that everyday, american exceptionalism turns further away from americans being exceptional to making america the only exception to the rule?
How long is this charade going to continue? until the tenth F35 crash? until the first F35 shootdown? until the first air-to-air kill against the F35?
or is everyone just praying that the F35 never sees combat the same way F22 does, and NGAD can funnel funny federal reserve printer money into fatfuck wallets in all 50 continental united states without anyone asking uncomfortable questions?

>>64098868
>they step up their efforts to develp something competitive so they don't get completely erased from the market.
They're not "stepping up their efforts", they're starting their own initiatives.
Or are you pretending that Korea and japan were major fighter aircraft exporters prior to the F35 bullshit?

>>64093362 (OP)
the ones that actually exist

sorry xi

>>64098884
>Guy posts something so incredibly stupid it's impossible to just read through
You're delusional, guy. The F-35 crashes make the news because of how rarely they happen. We lose an average of 3 F-15s and F-16s every year. The fact that we publish these numbers at all means we're confident in our programs. It means we're out there flying. The number of F-35 crashes is low in comparison to any of our other airframe losses.

>>64098873
>ones
but they're not "ones" though
if we were talking about the "ones" we'd be talking about 6th gen aircraft, since that's the topic of discussion and those are the things we're trying to compare.
the problem with this is china doesn't have any "ones", it has nothing to compare to the ".jpg" because these prototype bodykits are not 6th gens, and therefore not "ones"
just a lil' english lesson for you chinkshill.

>>64098884
>why is it that [false conclusion woven into question pointless question that serves no honest person]
because it isn't, dear chinkshill.
>how long is this charade going to continue?
your charade? that's up to you, you could stop dishonestly shilling for china on /k/ any day of the week.
>until the tenth F35 crash.
there have been about 19 F35 crashes, which statistically makes it one of the safest peacetime combat aircraft safety records of all times, thank you for pointing out the F35's outstanding safety record, chinkshill.
>until the first F35 shootdown
yeah, difficult for you to shill about that when it hasn't happened yet, eh chinkshill?

pretty embarrassing post, you should be very grateful you're allowed to shill in bad faith on /k/ at all, honestly, a jannies are not moderate enough for my liking, nobody really likes you guys being here, the entertainment value has worn off and now you're just boring and clogging up the catalog.

>>64098906
>The fact that we publish these numbers at all means we're confident in our programs
You can be as confident as you want.
It hasn't stopped practically every F35 partner from stepping into a non-american program when it comes to looking for a successor.

>>64098912
I wonder how many J-10C and J-16s the PLAAF lose every year.

>>64098928
>Practically every F-35 partner
Can we see them, Chang?

>>64098912
>begging for jannies to ban free speech
are you sure you wouldn't prefer being chinese? Their jannies definitely ban any speech against national narratives.

>>64098943
>begging
you need your slit-eyes checked, chinkshill
>ban free speech
intentional, malicious action with intent of manipulation does not really fall under free speech.
even the most free of free speech platforms tend not to take too kindly to bad-faith, intentionally hostile propaganda campaigns like yours, and tend to let the ban hammer fall on those things pretty quickly.

what's even more pathetic is your little squirming and whining when you're called out for this, desperately trying to paint yourself as a victim of wrongdoing when you literally wouldn't even be here if you were forced to do ANYTHING else but seethe about chinese inferiority and try to change opinion through doublespeak, lies by omission and just straight up lies, as well as loaded questions.

>>64098940
FCAS has germany, france and spain (well I guess spain might not count as a F35 partner anymore)
GCAP has italy, japan and UK.
Sweden is asking SAAB what they can come up with.
Korea is trying to bring the KAI airborne.
I dunno, seems like quite a few. I don't see the pakistanis trying to replace chinese planes with domestic designs, despite neighbouring india giving them every reason to have a strong defense industry (not to mention having a military junta in charge)

>>64098928
>successor
wrong lol
FCAS/GCAP serves an entirely different role from the F35 and will be mostly procured alongside existing F35 fleets
t. knower

>>64098956
>intentional, malicious action with intent of manipulation
oh sweet jesus
oh good lord
my guy, langley and elgin st. petersburg are the only retards stupid enough to pay shills to shitpost here. langley and elgin because they're trying to control domestic actions, and st. petersburg because a 1% increase in support for ukraine leads to a 100% increase in dead ziggers.
why in the flying fuck would the chinese spend money shilling here? None of you post anything that will actually affect any geopolitical outcome in the taiwan strait, the US government is going to dump every available resource in reinforcing its pacific assets regardless of what morons here type.
No, I'm here for the love of the game.

>>64098978
is that what the friendly smiling european/asian delegate tells you or do you genuinely believe that these successor aircrafts can't carry jdams?

>>64098979
>my guy
langley and st. petersburg
i wasn't talking about them, i was talking about the flood of failed men that keep shilling for china on this place, i don't give a shit whether they're part of an official organisation or not, it's arguably even more pathetic if they do it for free.
>why in the flying fuck would the chinese spend money shilling here
i never said they did.

>>64098994
The entire point of the F-35 is that its cheaper and less maintenance intensive to operate because using an F-22-class aircraft to just drop JDAMs is a massive waste bordering on completely unfeasible for even the wealthiest nations.

>>64098892
>They're not "stepping up their efforts", they're starting their own initiatives.
that's the same thing retard. all their products, even if they're only for domestic consumption, have been obsoleted by the f-35. they can either go all in on f-35s and let their domestic production wither and die, or they can develop their own equivalent products to maintain their production capability.

>>64097805
You are severely, mentally ill.

>>64098961
FCAS is the functional equivalent of a room full of high school girls who fucking hate each other working together on a project nobody wants to do.
Saab has a contract to determine if a 6th Gen fighter program is even feasible.
Korea can't even make a 5th Gen fighter with technical assistance.
China doesn't even know what 6th Gen is, they seem to think copying will get them 85% of the way there and they can wing the rest,
The UK, Japan, and Italy are all broke. The UK doesn't want to share tech with Italy or Japan and the USA will probably offer Japan something like a stopgap F-35 upgrade path with the letter J in it.
Russia, Turkey, India, and Pakistan all have no fucking idea.

>>64099186
you are, yes, there's something wrong with someone who obsessively makes threads like this daily.

>>64099358
Kill yourself.

>>64099415
cry harder shill

>>64099418
Projecting Eglin AFB shill.

>>64099485
you are mistaken. He's Australian. So it's his bedtime. I've learned that he was recently diagnosed with hypertension on top of his schizophrenia. His AC was also broken. This should be his bedtime.
I'll keep him up for now. Eventually his lack of sleep will get to him via work or health. He will kill himself soon one way or another.

Anyway, back to the topic.
I am back again! Still jpegs huh? Look at this beauty of a jet. A tailess design with such maneuverability. The honest engines made it possible.

>>64099511
fuck off chinkspammer

>>64099415
i'm not suicidal lol, you guys are, that's why you distract yourself with these embarrassing contrarian shilling stints, if you stopped and thought for one second about how much of a fucking loser you are and how much of your life you've wasted, you'd end your life.
>>64099485
>the bad-faith shill says others are projecting
lol
>>64099511
>literally every single element of this post is chinkshill trying to repeat things that hurt him at others
wew lad
>s-still jpegs huh?
i see that not showing off black projects to the public for propaganda purposes is still a mindbreaking prospect for chinkshill
>i am back again
you've been seething here the whole time lol, you're gonna genuinely kill yourself with all this high blood pressure, chinkshill.

>>64099526
don't go to sleep yet. You will never know if I am going to post something! You have to be awake to defend the feelings of the American people.

picrel. Another angle of the pinnacle of aviation design and honest engine work.

>He will kill himself soon one way or another.
yeah, i'm sure that spamming and crying angrily on /k/ for half a day, every day, is great for your health, identified chinkspammer.
>>64099543
>don't go to sleep yet
you're already projecting again, we noticed how you're staying awake just to seethe for unreal hours, nobody else in this thread is identifiable but you, chinkspammer.
>you will never know if i'm going to post something
i surely won't, there will be plenty of other board users here to make fun of your schizo outbursts and your very poor attempts at trying to look smug.

>L-LOOOK NOOOO I'M SMUG I'M SMUG I'M SMUG
>defending the feelings of the american people
i'm not the one making multiple shilling threads a day, that's you, i'm not defending anything, just noticing your shilling and outbursts.
i'm glad your life choices are going to cause serious health complications for you, board schizo's like you deserve it.

>>64099543
>has a folder of dedicated shill material
>"nooooo! you're the ones who're obsessed!"

>>64099580
i love this genre of /k/ board-schizo's calling other people obsessed because they notice the obvious tells and spasms of an obsessed antisocial freak

chinkshill, you're not trolling anyone, you're a mildly schizotypal freak that spends multiple hours of the day frantically responding to everything and everyone and essentially display obsessive compulsive behaviour, people see through your thin veneer of smugness and detachment instantly, your actions don't line up with your words.
i seriously beseech that you find a psychiatrist and get help because you're sapping your life away right now and the only legacy you'll be left with is as a /k/ board lolcow.

>>64099620
did you quote the wrong post m8? I was calling out chinkshill. he's the one with the dedicated shill folder

>>64099625
no, the bottom part was directed at him, thought that was pretty obv

>>64099620
>lolcow
oh it was really you kek. You blocked me on reddit

>>64099691
>lolcow
i'm not on reddit, mr chinkshill tourist, good job admitting that btw. you also don't know how to recognize recognize anons just because other people recognize you, your massive outbursts are what cause you to be identified all the time.
>lolcow
do you not know what that word means? congrats obsessive poster, you're part of the internet loser hall of fame alongside such greats as armatard, helmettard, mandic, rapechink and other mentally ill failed men.

>>64099718
>your massive outbursts are what cause you to be identified all the time.
uh oh. What did they do to you last time, Alex?

>>64099790
>n-no you
i accept your concession, you're trying harder and harder to sound smug and the only things you can come up with are repeats of things that are (rightfully) being said about you.
truly strange how the internet turns supremely vulnerable and lonely people like you into full-on schizo's, i've seen it happen multiple times.

Calling the chink planes 6th gen is an insult to real aviation enthusiasts

>>64098892
>Or are you pretending that Korea and japan were major fighter aircraft exporters prior to the F35 bullshit?
You mean Japan and SK that had to get Lockheed Martin to design their 4++++ or 5-- gen fighters, and still can't produce them?

>>64093362 (OP)
beautiful. China's industrial might is unprecedented in history of mankind.

>>64100057
The robots will take over worst Korea and Chiner first good for you

>>64100057
lmao. chinks can't even build decent jet engines

>>64100094
>TWR of 10
sounds pretty good to me

>>64100147
Wow if this sourceless table says so it must be true.

>>64100147
lmao. chinks took 50+ years to figure out how to make a ballpoint pen. All they had to do was copy the French.

>>64098023
Hypersonics are ballistic missiles, not cruise, anon. They go hypersonic during the terminal re-entry phase.

>>64100147
Can you tell me what components attached to the engine are added into the weight, exactly? What about fluids? Is that installed weight, or shipping weight?
>>64100057
>CCP fanfic pic
ror! rmao ewen!

>>64098778
can you prove that they're 4th gen?

>>64098884
>american exceptionalism turns further away from americans being exceptional to making america the only exception to the rule?
anon... that's part of what american exceptionalism always meant
american exceptionalism doesn't only mean being exceptional, it also means being the exception
it has always been this way

>>64097953
The biggest problem to hypersonic missiles is the kill chain. What good is a superfast missile if it takes you two hours to find, fix, get permission to engage, and launch your missile? Your high value target is either on the move and not where you need him to be to launch. Or, they may not be in that bunker anymore you were planning to hit. The US wanted a missile that would be a leap in tactical abilities, and hypersonics just couldn't offer it.

Furthermore, what is the advantage of a shitty BM that is hypersonic for 10 seconds after burn-out, and is only supersonic during it's most important and critical phase of flight (terminal phase) over a stealthy subsonic terrain hugging CM, or fighter/bomber? Moreover, what is NK's kill chain for said hypersonic missiles? What good is the extra speed when it takes you two days to find, fix, target, and execute a launch like it does Russia?

Hypersonic missiles are low yield relative to size due to solid propellant energy constraints, need state-of-the-art high temp materials because of the heat influx/, and dynamic pressures that act upon the RV in its flight regime, need a robust, accurate, guidance section that can maneuver independently on its flight path (most of these hypersonic missiles from NK, Russia, China can only maneuver with preloaded way-points, with only 3-4 way-points capacity because their guidance sections are shit), and react fast enough to stabilize the RV to give it the accuracy the US would want (which would include high-speed actuators for guidance surfaces). Then you need the support systems in the kill chain to take advantage of this speed, maneuverability, etc. All of this leads to extremely expensive missiles that don't offer any real world advantages over what is already fielded.

>>64100440
The onus is on the one making the claim of being 6th gen.

>>64100483
right but they haven't released much information yet so all we can do is speculate

i'm no expert but as far as i can see, these planes look virtually identical to those 6th gen renders that the US military came up with and the shape of aircraft is determined by engineering and physics principles, not by copying an unproven mockup where the slightest mistake in the transfer of the design can be fatal, so there's that
and then there's the question of how good the technology actually works - we've all seen the recent J-10C shootdown of the rafale/s and obviously that wouldn't have been possible if their technology was no good
there's also the military-civil fusion, creating such tightly integrated industry with the government that there's been advances across a bunch of fields in the country like semiconductors and artificial intelligence, so much so that it's gotten to the point that they're often on par or better than their western counterparts and the stuff that isn't, like microchips (i believe?), are rapidly getting better each year and are nipping at the heels of the US despite barely existing a decade ago

if you combine these known strengths with the theoretical criteria that a 6th gen aircraft needs to be considered 6th gen and the news several years ago that china announced that they were in fact working on 6th gen programs, then i just don't see how it can be denied at this point
i mean, at best you could argue that these are very bad 6th gen planes or are maybe 5.5th gen

>>64100483
>another jpeg
impressive desu ne...

>>64099906
for real, I wasn't there. What did they do to you? It's safe here :(

>>64100938
based ai poster

>>64100981
i just got back. got to wake him up. He can't sleep while American honor is being blemished.

>>64094501
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

>>64094617
New chink lie unlocked!

>>64096227
>it's been known they've been getting more flight hours annually than USAF at this point.
According to the chinese communist government.

Why haven't multiple of these aircraft been captured together? Only one of each exists and that will not change for some time. Just the same prototypes dragged out for publicity stunts. Yawn.
I'll pick the country which can decide on one design, produce it, then reveal it once it's a functioning asset.

>>64101031
they don't gather their assets to do pointless propaganda photo ops like that.
Of course, during special occasions like the upcoming anniversary they may gather them.
Very modest military, just only recently after 15 years, they have confirmed that the J20 can supercruise at mach 1.8

Not even trying to be subtle anymore. Just constant regurgitated, often contradictory, shitposts. No wonder they keep getting axed.

i'm thinking about making a collage of these posts
what do you guys think

>>64100353
That doesn't even make any sense. Pretty sure Hypersonic missile is super fast cruise missile. And if it's true Hypersonic refer to ballistic missile, then why chink shill gloating over it? Because US already have hypersonic ballistic missile since 60s/70s.

>>64101021
No dude. Jesus here I had to dig this one out https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/usafs-capacity-capability-and-readiness-crisis/
I'll quote the relevant part here
>During the Cold War, U.S. fighter pilots flew more than 200 hours each year, far more than Soviet fighter pilots who flew closer to 120 hours.
>Today, Chinese fighter pilots are reportedly getting more than 200 hours or 160 sorties in the air annually, or three or four sorties per week. That’s far more than U.S. fighter pilots, who are lucky to get 120 hours a year, equating to fewer than 1.5 sorties a week.
Note that
>reportedly
Doesn't mean CCP bragging about it, anyone actually trying to understand the PLA very quickly realizes how tight-lipped the commies are about almost anything from an official standpoint.
These figures are specifically coming from western analysts themselves, because god knows the CCP themselves haven't made any comments on sortie generation.

>>64101146
>These figures are specifically coming from western analysts themselves
Proof?

>>64098242
anime is so cringe

>>64101055
>they don't gather their assets to do pointless propaganda photo ops like that
why is your first instinct to get defensive and start throwing out provably false copes?

>>64101096
lots of practice targets. Can make nice reefs too.
>fat subsonic, short legged jets
>but muh stealth
new meta
>turn on radar -> get detected -> die off screen
>try to run away -> slow-> get detected anyway due to afterburners from dishonest engine -> die off screen
>open weapon bay- > get detected -> die off screen
1.5 trillion dollars worth of bricks kek

>>64101330
AI

>>64101346
yeah

>>64101346

>>64101346
all AI

>>64101355
>>64101357
not AI coz it's just a regular brigade. And the original pic was too blurry for national TV.
No need to thank me for the free education.
Again not pointless propaganda shit from the PLA aside from special occasions.

>>64101368
you were wrong and you're coping about it

>>64101375
I am just not blind and can actually think.
you should too

such a humble military would never gather assets for braggadocious propaganda photo ops

not in one million years
just use your eyes and brain

>>64101390
yea

>>64101393
again real because of a basic composition of a regular brigade. Why don't you learn?

>>64101395
Are you trying to imply that the photo I posted is fake because the scale of the J-20s is off? No, she's just a real hog of a plane.

>>64101402
that and the blurriness and 15 of them on one airstrip. They are not that bigger than the f22
The J16 is however a huge chonker

Japan has mobile suits. The loudmouthed mainlanders better behave before their "sixth" gens are swatted from the sky and they catch a beam saber up the ass.

>>64101414
>the blurriness
a hallmark of Chinese aviation photography

>>64101414
>15 of them on one airstrip
neva eva been done befo
such a humble nation would never

>>64101425
look real man. I also have this new coin that you can't afford to not invest in.

>>64101431
this abject denial of reality unless it suits your narrative really isn't a good look
in other words

keep coping

>>64101444
>except for occasional anniversaries
reading isn't your strong suit. Keep seething

>>64101452
what was that? was it the goalposts? or just a flight of j-20s gathered for a photo op?

>>64101480
Is there a source for all these photos? Some are worse quality than my phone.

>>64101346

>>64093362 (OP)
so you are asking about which will enter service?

like are we suppose to be blind and see that 4 are flying and are all chinese and the rest are just rendering?

>>64100993
>i-i just got back
chinkshill pretending 3x in a row that he's "just waking up" is so adorable, he so desperately wants to be seen as unbothered and distant when he frantically responds to nearly every post, and spends half his day shilling for china instead of doing something productive with his life.

>>64102066
the OP specifically mentions 6th gen aircraft, when 3 of the aircraft in the OP (the chinese ones) are not 6th gen and therefore not part of the discussion.
as a result, the only 2 aircraft that will be in service are the black project ones that are already flying and are being depicted here with renders.

>>64093362 (OP)
Probably GCAP, which would then be overtaken by whatever the sharts can make with their unlimited money.

>>64095780
Way to own yourself

Most gen numbers are just larps. You cannot prove me wrong.

>>64101329

>>64093384
>Will the US sell left?

No because it will never exist. Next US aircraft will be a F-35 derivate. Perhaps that F-55 that Trump spoke of. Why? Because the mutts are running against the clock now.

>>64098579
>all parties need to prove all of their claims.
All I see is that Chinese posters here claims that they already have 3 working gen 6th
Can you back that claim or not?

>>64102659
ESL please
>>64102121
sharts do not have unlimited money. Picrel.
That's why you see 3 6th gens in the sky of China. Unlimited money and industrial capacity. They have 35% of global output based on USD value. But their real output measured in volume/mat/energy is probably like 60% of humanity industrial output.

>>64102066
What makes the chinese planes 6th gen? What makes any of them 6th gen?

>>64102837
>ESL please
Yes. Now, can you prove that those 3 Chinese jets are really 6th gen?

So his new defense for the pictures of larger groups of Chinese planes is
>They're shooped or AI
What. So China -cannot- produce 15+ aircraft of the same model? I figured as much considering they can't send a fucking shelf kit that isn't missing essential pieces. Absolute sham of a country.

>>64102962
>can you prove that those 3 Chinese jets are really 6th gen?
yes
ESL please

>>64102888
Same as with any other 6th gen airplane: people saying they are. Basically marketing's gone into the term and so now it's on the enshittification express where people will keep cranking up generation numbers more and more until no one can remember what generation we're even supposed to be on any more and the number starts exceeding what the PR exec guys can really fit into their heads (so probably somewhere in the teens).

>>64103032
>yes
Nice. May we see it? And I promise I will never doubt glorious China again.

>>64103043
you are trying to educate Alex, who unfortunately did not kill himself today. Don't waste your time. Let me push him ;)

>>64103052
You have already seen it in this thread. ESL please
Now can I see it?

>>64103060
I just skim through 200+ posts and don't see any, can you link them?
BTW, are you oversea Chinese? I think I recognize your post style.

>>64103060
>You have already seen it in this thread.
Where exactly? Point it out. Is that a no?

>>64103081
>>64103083
it's right in the OP but only 3 of them :)
>it doesn't.. count
yes it does. Now can i see anything else but more jpegs or are we done here?
Thought so

>>64096387
>that succeed their own 5th gen program
Citation needed

>>64103112
internal weapon bay+ supercruise = 5th gen
there is a pile of shit that ate 1.5 trillion dollars masquerading as 5th gen too.

>>64103092
>it's right in the OP but only 3 of them :)
So that's a no. Figured as much.

>>64103116
>internal weapon bay+ supercruise = 5th gen
China can't into stealth therefore it's unnecessary, gotcha. China can't into supercruise either but oh well.

>>64103092
>it's right in the OP but only 3 of them :)
Come on, you can do better than this.

>>64103116
>that
>5th gen
Guess china's definition of 5th gen is different from the rest of the world. That means their "6th gen" means little since it's just words with little to nothing backing it up.

>>64103132
>rest of the world
there are only 3 fighters that fit that definition: F22(US), J20 (CN), J35 (CN). If the rest of the world is 33% of the world then it doesn't really count. Just like the US, 61% white is still white.

>>64103187
>ignores su57
>ignores f35
>resorts to attacking a nation instead of the argument
Argument in bad faith. Never mind.

>>64103187
>>64103132
oh yea and the reason I didn't mention stealth was that the standard of kill atm is detection only - not tracking. Stealth is pretty useless in a system vs system scenario.
Stealth is actually detrimental in that case because you are afraid to lose your expensive jets and cede the initiate to your opponent by turning off the radar in the beginning, due the fear of being detected.
It is useful if you simply have more 5th gen than they have 4.5++ gen and below. Industry matters.

>>64093727
Pakistan literally demonstrated Chinese capabilities in LPI AESA radars and networking by performing the world's longest ranged air-to-air kill against a modern Western 4.5th generation fighter jet.
Chinese hardware has been proven more against peer enemies than american hardware, which is only used against obsolete enemy or target drones.

>>64103057
Who the fuck is Alex you noguns r/hapas reject?

>>64103328
implessive
>4.5th generation fighter jet
lmao, it's a 4th gen piloted by poos. you could give them f22s and they would lose against migs.

>>64103328
TRVTHNVKE

>>64103328
>Pakistan literally demonstrated Chinese capabilities in LPI AESA radars and networking by performing the world's longest ranged air-to-air kill against a modern Western 4.5th generation fighter jet.
it's funny that there's still exactly zero evidence for the chink jet being in any way related to the rafale shootdown

>>64103244
>actually we don't need stealth

>>64103401
>esl strikes again
Stealth is a win more weapons. Very useful if you already have dominance and are not afraid of losses. So in order words, very useful for China.

>>64103328
>believing browns and chinks

>>64103704
implessive!

>>64103704
>Very useful if you already have dominance and are not afraid of losses
Why would China be less loss averse than the US when they have a fraction of the number of aircraft?

>>64103328
>aim-54
>f-15
I don’t believe that was ever mounted outside of a short NASA research program. Doesn’t help the credibility of your image

>>64103848
They can simply make more easily and their planes are better. And I don’t think the US has more than 230 something 5th gen jets.

>>64104266
>They can simply make more easily
this is the only thing in your entire post that might be correct