Thread 64093765

Behold - anti-Shahed Zlin Z137T AgroTurbo with R-73's

>>64093765 (OP)
remember how USA could already have dozens of such type of aircraft with modern optics and electronics but faggots wanted 130 million per aircraft so whole program farted, shitted and died? I remember

>>64093765 (OP)
If it works it works?

>>64093765 (OP)
so would this mean that ukies have more pilots than planes?

>>64093795
I doubt one needs fighter pilot qualifications to fly one of these.

>>64093774
>130 million per aircraft
how tthe fuck propeller plane cost more than state of the art stealth fighter?

it's time let the tucano eat

>>64093804
This but with APKWS rocket pods. Wasting anti-air missiles on propeller drones seems sacrilegious

>>64093821
What else R-73's good for these days? But yeah, APKWS would be good on these, if it wasn't for the Greatest Ally, of course.

>>64093802
Aircraft costs about tree fiddy.
Rest is all bureaucracy, consultancy, design feasibility studies, bribes etc so by time it is all added together ends up becoming that price per aircraft.

God I wish it was me.

>>64093765 (OP)
>>64093776
>>64093871
Died 1945
Born 2025
Welcome back Ju-87 Stuka

Turboprop interceptors are back baby

>>64093880
I fuckin told you so

>>64093774
Nice fanfiction

>>64093802
By people refusing to understand Cost Accounting 101: Fixed Costs vs Variable Costs
Case in point,

>>64093844
this drooling retard

>>64093765 (OP)
>il-2 at home

>>64093776
>Ju-87 Dive Bomber providing close-air support to the advancing 2nd panzer divission during operation Barbarossa. 1945. colorized.

>>64093912
*1942

>>64093765 (OP)
This concept was ordered by East Germany around 1985 as a development concept for an emergency attack aircraft.Zlín aircraft developed one prototype. Which is currently in the museum.

It's amazing that someone is currently making use of it.

>>64093944
Here is the cockpit of the militarized version

>>64093951
why is there a propeller in the cockpit?

>>64093970
air conditioning for the pilot

>>64093974
uh, wouldn't opening the window be more effective?

>>64093765 (OP)
>Soon

>>64094039
I'm guessing it would fuck with aerodynamics

>>64093970
It's there so that when it stops spinning you know you've lost electrical power.

>>64094051
Lets be careful with our shitposting things into reality shall we anon?

>>64093970
Very common in Soviet aircraft, primarily helicopters but they were in everything that had no special suits/masks for the crew, including Mirya. Cools your face. Many jokes about them appeared over the years, including this one: >>64094103.

>>64093970
When there's a fan in the cockpit of the com-block airplane... You are in for some hot CAS business.

>>64094234
I really hate that Babushka verdigris. Couldn't they use green malachite?

>>64094234
>Paper map larping as display.
LMAO

>>64093774
>130 million per aircraft
They're less than $30m per aircraft, still incredibly expensive, no need to make up easily disproven bullshit that just makes your argument look bad.

>>64093765 (OP)
Oh someone please slap some sirens on the gear legs and start divebombing with it!

>>64094051
How about a Po-2?

>>64094256
How the fuck did this dogshit win over the Textron Scorpion?

>>64094498
this shit is slower than shahed

>>64094524
It wasn't entered into the competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Overwatch

>>64093765 (OP)
Čmelák nigger-rigged with R-73s raping Russian license built clones of Iranian poorfag PGM wasn't on my 2025 bingo but I'll take it

>>64094256
That's basically the Polish PZL M18.
https://youtu.be/oDD8dffpF5w?t=72

>>64094139
No, i will shitpost it into reality.
>>64094498
Sadly:
>>64094525
However a modern off the shelf engine and it would be good to go, the rear gunner would reduce losses from debris significantly. Ukraine has lost jets to debris due to a lack of rear facing guns.

>>64094605
It is Turbák

>>64093883
fuck that SOB in particular. Could picrel make a comeback?

>>64093765 (OP)
>>64093776
Unironically, why isn't Antonov building shitload of these?
>there's no use, they would get downed, blablabla
Useful for defense, as already stated in OP. Also, there's no area in the current frontline that would resist sending a hundred of those at the same time alongside the motorized troops and infantry for combined operations, and adding drones/wingman drones for the fun.
Sure, they'll lose twenty, but would deplete the enemy air defense that would run out of missiles. Manpads would have a field day though, that's true, but I suspect with flares and modern technologies, they would have better survivability than helicopters.
I understand they're fighting a war of defense and not offense, and don't want much casualties, but at some point a breach will have to be made. Better prepare it now. Drones won't cut it with their measly payloads.

>>64093776
>look mom no propeller
@grok is this real

>>64094606
Except armored, almost twice the horsepower, modernized sensors/optics, and hard points for modern armaments.

>>64093944
bro that's literally just a fucking turboprop stuka

>>64094605
Turbo bumblebee goes bzzzzzzzz

>>64094806
Yes and?

>>64094800
Camera shutter speed just matches propeler rotation, anon

Can't they increase the engine power, increase wings.
And add a GAU-08 under it?

>>64094846
You figure out how to synchronize a rotory cannon with a proppeller. I'll watch.

>>64094862
Simple, rig the GAU-08 to curve the bullets around the propeller.

>>64094862
ez pz

>>64094826
wtf then why are they called shutters and not spinners?

>>64094883
So... you would either have a gigantic hole in your aircraft engine to fit the entire barrel assembly.
Or you would have the gun behind the engine shooting into a smaller tunnel.
I like the meme but no.

>>64094846
The recoil would make it stall.

>>64094862
The ShVAK could be synchronized, can't imagine a rotary cannon would be much harder.

>>64095007
>the meme
...You know this was the default setup for German and Italian fighters in WW2, right? Making the propshaft hollow and putting the gun behind the engine isn't actually difficult they made a bajillion Bf 109s like that

>>64094256
Wanna see a neat magic trick?
>take AT-802, which goes for ~$750k
>give it a grey coat of paint, swap the engine for a slightly better model, give it updated electronics and add hardpoints
>wave your magic defense contractor wand over it
>charge the government $27 million for it
It's magic!

>>64095063
Indeed it was done, with single barrel cannons, 45mm cannons even by Yakovlev. No synchronization needed, hence why I asked about the synchronization of a rotory cannon with a propeller.
Drilling a hole into the propshaft and making the propshaft bigger aint hard, its making the rest of the engine work around it that is.

>>64093944
Turns out it was a great design for a low cost agricultural airplane that could maximize the amount of money made per flight hour, and then the government stepped in and made it retarded

>>64095082
>750k
That's for a 1980s plane with serious wear. The spares for an engine overhaul alone would cost that much.
>AT-802F’s relatively low base price of approximately $2.8 million
And the avionic of that crap costs ~$5-10M (see the cost of an Apache or Super Tucano (17M in current year)).
The 50% of difference? ask the DoD and their trials/requirements lol

>>64095124
>No synchronization needed
wat

>>64095128
I'm being facetious, but if you think L3Harris isn't making a killer profit off of those, you're naive.

>>64095132
You synchronize guns when you want to them to shoot trough the spinning propeller blades, so the guns wont shoot of your propeller. Thats why you synchronize. No propeller blades to shoot trough? No synchronization needed.

>>64095158
>The 50% of difference? ask the DoD and their trials/requirements lol
Probably as a job program.

>>64093795
That has always been the case.

>>64095056
It was done, because it had a managable rate of fire and a single barrel to work with. With the likes of GAU-08 you would need microsecond timing on the synchronization gear, traditional would be too slow so electric it would have to be, and it better work or the propeller explodes.

Said synch gear would wear out insanely fast. Rotory cannons are also made to fire continuously, any constant micro interruptions could create mechanical problems or lead to catastrophic failiure.

>>64095158
>if you think L3Harris isn't making a killer profit off of those, you're naive.
Why don't you actually pull up L3Harris's form10-k before spouting more utter crap than a professional bullshit artist?

>>64095128
Yep, electronics packs millions and millions into any modern military platform
>trials/requirements
Made worse now with cyber hardening, but you really don't want chinese implants in your chipsets

>>64095204
you only need to synchronize the spin rate.

>>64095056
>can't imagine syncing a weapon with 5x higher rpm would be much harder

>>64093765 (OP)
>Behold - anti-Shahed Zlin Z137T AgroTurbo with R-73's
Fuck you OP, I was going to troll the /pol/acks with this thread.


I do think that Super Tacos would help and Ukies are throwing everything at the wall anyway.

>>64093970
>why is there a propeller in the cockpit?
It's a spare in case something happens to the main one.

>>64094253
KEKw

>>64095270
>Flying from gas pump where it clearly just filled up with two stroke fuel
Man props are tight

>>64095232
That sounds extremely delicate with no room for error.

>>64094253
That can't be right- damn that is funny as hell

>>64095320
It can be done with incredibly accuracy using a simple phase lock feedback.

>>64094846
>>64095037
What if we made the rotary cannon a gyrojet?

I really like propeller planes bros.

HHNNNGG

>>64095124
>>64095163
Link the guns to the (I) laser rangefinder and a piezoelectric switch that only fires when guns are not aligned with the prop and the trigger is depressed: you have a modern interrupter gear that is a fraction of the weight.

>>64095881
Alright, I guess I learned something new.

>>64094245
phthalo green or GTFO

>>64093970
Reverse gear.

>>64093774
It was killed because they would be useless in a near peer war not because of cost.
It should have been produced as a cheap COIN export for thirdies and the US could keep a few if they ended up in another foreverwar.

>>64095082
adding wing hardpoints to an aircraft that was not designed from ground-up to have wing hardpoints is incredibly difficult
most of the markup is probably from overhauling the wings and the r&d that went into make the plane not do backflips with a bunch of heavy shit attached to the wings

>>64093802
By the state meddling, duh

>>64094862
>synchronize a rotory cannon with a proppeller
Pretty sure this was solved back when bi-planes were shooting one another.

>>64094846
can't Uncle Sam just give them a dozen or two A-10s? It's not like they are some hi-tech sensitive stuff

>>64094525
The Night Witches.
Just enough to keep you from sleep and pick away at your number.

>>64096572
just imagine

>>64098296
One just like it but worse is being useful in a neer peer war right now though in fact thats what the thread is about

>>64093774
yeah whatabout America???

>>64093795
It was always like that, while the Soviets/Russians have the opposite problem: more planes than pilots.

>>64093804
>let the tucano eat
>>64095270
>I do think that Super Tacos would help and Ukies

The BR head honcho specifically denied the sale of the Tucano to Ukraine because Putin asked him to.

>>64099132
That's not how you use the whataboutamerica meme, faggot.

>>64093765 (OP)
Makes no sense.
Something like pic rel would, tho.

>>64093970
That seems like an immense safety hazard.

>>64093871
>born too late to blitzkrieg the soviet union while watching the insects run when your Stuka's lärmgerät starts blaring during a dive
>born too late to crush unholy brown communists all around the world during the cold war
>born just in time to be a drone interceptor pilot in the pre-WW3 era

>>64099242
It's a warplane, not a safetyplane

>>64099287
Typhoon was good at killing anyone and anything.
The second the war ended they were scrapped.