Thread 64095251

more than 15 years after it was first revealed there is finally official statement from the PLA about the J-20 capacity.
https://imgur.com/a/0vDOkTL
>voice over: Voiceover: The J20 has high stealth, high situational awareness, and high maneuverability. With a supersonic cruise speed of 1.8 Mach, it can quickly reach combat areas and gain an advantage in beyond-visual-range air combat, enabling it to detect and attack the enemy first.

They actually kept it under the lid for a pretty long term. PLA must be the most low profile military in the world right now.
If they finally reveal the capacity of the J20, that means their 6th gen induction is imminent.
Too bad we have to wait another 15 years to learn about its specs.

implessive!

>>64095251 (OP)
>chink airforce says chink airforce plane is "good"
woah, generational news there, very implessive.
>the PLA must be the most low profile military in the world right now
that would be the US, since they don't intentionally fly their prototypes around at low altitude and low speed over highly populated areas to "leak" them for propaganda value, the US is a little too confident in their secret projects to do stuff like that.
>that means their 6th gen induction is imminent
they don't have any of those, and the J-20 is barely a 5th gen as it is, so no lol.

>mach 1.8
that is actually amazing. It seems that they have their variable cycle engine now.

>>64095294
chinks don't even have engines on par with like 2000's american engines, so i doubt that.

>>64095251 (OP)
It's a flying fuel tank that trades everything else for internal fuel. It has zero capacity for dog fighting despite having canards for some retarded reason.
Its BVR capabilities are sus, and there's a reason the Chinese are spamming J-16s and not J-20s.

>>64095331
do you understand, identified chinkshill, that starting a passive-aggressive thread like this and then immediately responding with one of your signature wordless seething replies instantly makes it clear to everyone that this is another one of your spam threads?

fuck off chinkspammer. i hope a lathe eats you

>>64095348
it's amazing that he gets angry and thinks he can get away with acting like some victimized bystander when basically everyone can tell which threads are his at this point.

>>64095331
Wow, I am in awe of the capabilities of the Chinese and am now convinced that the Chinese are in fact strong and not weak like previously thought.
The TEMU Sharting Dragon is my new favorite aircraft.

so many hurt feelings...
I am so sorry I just wanted to post something cool

>>64095251 (OP)
implessive ping ping spam today

>>64095386
fuck off shill, you're not a victim

>>64095386
>s-so many hurt feelings
yes, from you, identified and angry chinkshill
>i-i just wanted to post something cool
no, you're posting another shill/spam thread, identified chinkshill
you have come here thousands of times under false pretenses, you are here in bad faith, and as a result the only thing you will receive is mockery.

>>64095251 (OP)
Why would China be designing new aircraft to replace the J-20 if it was as good as they claim it is?
We typically field our aircraft for decades with incremental upgrades before putting in proposals to replace the ones we have.

>>64095421
>Why would China be designing new aircraft to replace the J-20 if it was as good as they claim it is?
because they have the imagination. And they can use them to fight each other in their own wargames.
When you have unlimited money and resources, you can do lots of things for fun.

>>64095485
>When you print 100 trillion yuan and have to creatively shift money around to keep your economy from imploding
FTFY

>>64095251 (OP)
Cool. So they're ready to try and take taiwan?

>>64095485
>because they have the imagination.

>>64095323
>dog fighting

>>64095504
>you print 700 billion dollars a month while inflation is at 0.1% because your production and capacity outpace the money supply
vs
>jews circulating money from each other while taking a cut each time. Your economy shits out 8% inflation them moment you print as little as 400 billion dollars over 4 years because you produce nothing
ffty

>>64095323
>canards for some retarded reason.

>>64095323
Aren't they there to help with maneuverability? More control surfaces and all. No idea how much of a difference it makes though since not much is known other than what china discloses.

>>64095485
>imagination
>china
>imagination
>c h i n a
>i m a g i n a t i o n
identified chinkshill, please, you're gonna make me fall out of my chair lmao.
>unlimited money and resources
china doesn't have either of those lol.

>>64095552
It's designed to be some fuckhuge BVR missile truck with no cannons and gigantic fuel tanks.

>>64095541
Apples and oranges

>>64095561
Then that would most likely imply the canards are there to help that mule maneuver?

>>64095534
>China printed 4x as much money as the USA did during COVID
>China is spending like money is going out of style because if it doesn't its economy will backslide into a recession
>no end in sight
>knocking down entire city blocks to rebuild them because why not?
>building thousands of ships
>hey let's waste 100 billion yuan designing a last-gen fighter jet and call it 6th gen
You are here.

>>64095251 (OP)
Has it been 15 years already? Man, it’s like all that time has passed and I hadn’t even noticed or cared.

>>64095581
>during covid
nah. Look at that slope. it's all day every day.
The US economy is the equivalent of the f-47
>we are worth 30 trillion dollars!
>but we only have 20 trillion dollars in the bank
>Europe and the "rest of the world" will make up the difference!!

vs
>yea gweilo, we are poor only 20T dollar worth
>don't worry about that 44T in our banks. It's nothing. In fact, we are gonna add another 1 T next month ;)

Now talk about wasting money, picrel
>500 billion dollars
>nuclear power plants built to power """AGI"""
kek

>>64095251 (OP)
Also, I live in America, so I’ll never see one in the skies here. Ha. Ha. Ha.

>>64095630
This is private industry, not China cashing a check it wrote to itself to spend money it doesn't have to keep its economy afloat.

>>64095251 (OP)
>If they finally reveal the capacity of the J20, that means their 6th gen induction is imminent.
Implessive.

I strongly doubt any chinese news regarding their advancement reflects reality. Some of their planes probably aren't even real.
They lie as much as americans, but while americans lie to pretend to be weak, the chinese lie to pretend to be strong.
They may, in fact, be lying at the behest of their american "enemies", to americans, to encourage the populace to remain fearful!
And sometimes they just waste enormous amounts of effort and build unsafe roads to be "implessive"
>China: WE CUT THROO HIRRS, CHINA ADVANCES FOR ITS PEOPRE!
>The west: We build around hills because it's safer and more efficient. Enjoy your avalanche, also, RIP your environment.

If chinese shills say their shit is amazing I just think back to all the times we were told russia had one of the best militaries on earth. If chinese shills say their average IQ is over 100, I remember lynn's data comes almost entirely from jintan and IQ studies monitoring random provinces for nutritional deficits and toxic load show average IQs in the 80s and 90s depending on income level. Last time the sources to these got posted the china shill thread got deleted exactly one minute later.

>>64095658
>lying at the behest of their american "enemies", to americans, to encourage the populace to remain fearful!
It's for money. Our military constantly understates our capabilities to get Congress to write them a bigger check.

>>64095643
it's M2 money supply my negro. It's the amount of money available in circulation and outside of it.
looking at that graph, you now learn the lesson why the US cannot print unlimited money despite being the reserve currency. There are more money in China than the US and EU combined. The dollars will eventually find its way home and you will have no production for back it up.
Trump tariffs are just a desperate move to generate money/tax while not printing it. Or do you really think other countries pay for it? kek

>>64095663
>PRC-MIC conspiring
berievaber

>>64095658
>>64095658
These, gweiro?

Wang, 2001 (Average IQ of 76-81)
Source: http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/wang-2001.pdf
Shandong province, china.
Hong, 2001 (Average IQ of 65-82)
Source: http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/hong-2001.pdf
Shandong province, china.
Fan, 2007 (Average IQ of 96, 98)
http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/fan-2007.pdf
Pucheng County, Shaanxi Province, China
Li, 2003 (Average IQ of 92)
http://www.fluorideresearch.org/412/files/FJ2008_v41_n2_p161-164.pdf
Baotou, Inner Mongolia, China
Qian, 2009 (14 IQ studies showing 81-90 average IQ)
http://000do4q.myregisteredwp.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1836/2016/05/china-iodine-study.pdf

>>64095663
>Our military constantly understates our capabilities
they are doing that really well too. Almost fooled me!

>>64095666
money is literally fake and has been fake since the 70s. even gold isn't actually valuable. anyone who believes otherwise is falling for a grand ruse.

the only thing on earth with unquestionable value is a life. your life, your wifes life, your kids life, the lives of all your people. the rest is an arbitrary game.

money is just a distraction for the proles to keep them ignorant of the reality that the only things underpinning a nation are its military and its domestic resources, and how capable it is of surviving off them if it undergoes emergency nationalization.

>>64095504
holy projection
>>64095289
>the US is a little too confident in their secret projects to do stuff like that.
more like they have the export market on lockdown - why make post-production ads when everyone is basically contractually obligated to buy it to begin with?
American ads are more or less focused on pre-production, specifically with the generation designations - you outline a set of arbitrary criteria, designate this as the necessity for air superiority in the upcoming combat space, then sell this idea in the form of investments and contracts from partners. Trying to argue other planes as "gen X' is kind of meaningless since American requirements are fundamentally constrained by geopolitical needs (specifically, power projection in the form of either being carrier capable or having long enough range to cover foreign airspace from FOBs, needing a minimum amount of payload to economically strike ground targets, and requiring pristine maintenance).
That this approach has led to air dominance/supremacy does not mean it always will. The F-22 was choking out pilots (who, in fighter pilot fashion, tried to tough it out while inside a fucking supercruise aircraft). F-35 integration was a nightmare and got caught in the initial Gen5 marketing exposing its raw number capabilities, and multiple flying airforce colonels from various nations had to go on a begging tour for lockmart. It was a genuine lowpoint in fighter adaptation.
Given that the F35 has lower survivability than the F22 and the chinese will be building every advantage they can along the coast before any confrontation in the strait, I don't envy planners who require air supremacy for successful operations in the area, before even considering that chinese missile and drone batteries might pose a volume problem for ships in the area even if their entire airforce was in a purely defensive role/taken out in a pre-emptive strike.

>>64095568
>he doesn't know about center of pressure shift while going supersonic flight
>he doesn't now about balancing drag because of this shift
>he doesn't know about free spinning canards solving balancing drag
Solution was found in 1950 it still works in 2025 for supersonic flights.

>>64095675
man we should be like the chinese and focus on having shiny ships that cant do anything and may or may not exist. reputation, pride, and shame uber alles.

imagine being able to nuke any location on the planet no matter what anyone else thinks and having an ugly boat
imagine having a military so expansive, its greatest rival is entirely focused on having slightly more control of its coastline than we do, and still having an ugly boat

this low germanic attitude, that not just accepts, but enjoys, rusty rotten wagons full of sharp swords, is absolutely inferior to the imperial han attitude, that will settle for nothing less and nothing more than the grandest imperial chariot full of fake pocketknives

>>64095675
>naval wear and tear
Oh look it's something Chang has never seen before.

>>64095681
>holy projection
imagine a country that printed 4x as much money as the USA did just to keep their shitty economy from tumbling

>>64095541
reply reeks of musty chink whataboutism

>>64095677
can you give me 200$?

>>64095693
>americans are so fucking lazy they even outsourced printing money to the chinese
jesus fucking chirst dude.

>>64095251 (OP)
Very based thread. China has three 6th gen airplanes rolling off the production line while the west is still fiddling with 3d renders.

just in case you wonder how much money does THE other big and powerful country has.
>770 billion dollars
now things start to make a lot sense in politics and power

>>64095745
china doesn't even have 5th gen planes lol

>>64095745
>rolling off the production line
No, that's not what they're doing.

>>64095745
trvthnvke
china moves forward while amerigroids can only seethe online

>>64095688
>bragging about zumwalt mission capability
>zumwalt
>the boat specifically built from the ground up for 1 (one) weapon system
>the same weapon system that's now missing from every zumwalt
>all 3 of them
>before the entire order, 30+ ships, got pulled off stage left
it's shitty and it doesn't do shit. and you can't stop licking all that shit right off the hull.

>>64095782
>changes the primary weapon from a retarded AGS to hypersonic missiles
>useless
The Chinese would gut their own mothers for an opportunity to lick the shit off the Zumwalt.

if youre going to shill chin maybe only make like one thread a day

>>64095799
hypersonic is designated as speeds higher than mach5.
In practice, it's usually mach10+.
This is about 12000 kmph.
Meaning that if you have a base within 4000 km of the target (and believe me, the US has plenty of those for everyone they can ever hope to fight), any missile that can fly more than half an hour (taking acceleration into account) will make the target go boom.
So now you have 3 little dipshit boats (dipped, in shit), floating around the pacific, doing the same job that a missile silo does, at hundreds of times the cost (well, maybe not hundreds, the missiles themselves are expensive too), all while shitlickers like you brag about how this is going to enable another 200 years of american hegemony.
Don't worry, the money printer will just go brr at the federal reserve again. I'm sure they're not dumb enough to ship that off to beijing too.

>>64095845
ok and those bases are all big targets, meanwhile the Zumwalt can be fucking anywhere, the Chinese don't know where it is, it'll be floating around covered in shit dispensing freedom from its ploop tubes one hypersonic missile at a time.

>>64095863
do you realize how ridiculous you sound right now?
you're arguing for a scenario where opfor has somehow
struck missile silos
at american bases abroad
successfully
at a 100% rate
do you have any idea how devastated and fuck fuck town everything has to be for ANY of this to happen? and THIS is the scenario where the zumwalt is supposed to be useful? As if the entire scenario isn't a writeoff for pacific command? That 3 destroyers are going to be the deterrent force across the entire pacific like the two American carriers that escaped pearl harbor?
You're literally contorting yourself specifically so you can eat more shit. For fuck's sake anon.

>>64095903
We have
something like this
in our inventory
Why would we not use it?

>>64095386
>chinsect talking about hurt feelings
Now that's rich

>>64095386
Vely impleassive. Vely chink khu lung

>>64095251 (OP)
It also has the ability to strengthen the ideological conviction of party cadres thereby strengthening party unity.

>>64095572
If by
>help it maneuver
you mean
>prevent it from becoming a literal lawn dart over mach 1
then sure