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Anonymous No.64096276 >>64096306 >>64096324 >>64096342 >>64096357 >>64096525 >>64096632 >>64096660 >>64097249 >>64097830 >>64111423 >>64120275 >>64133271
Air Force Covering Up For Sig
Kek. We all knew this shit was going to happen.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/08/08/air-force-announces-arrest-related-firearm-death-of-airman-prompted-m18-probe.html?amp
Anonymous No.64096297 >>64096314
>Since then, the investigation has progressed and an individual has now been arrested on suspicion of making a false official statement, obstruction of justice, and involuntary manslaughter
...?
Anonymous No.64096306
>>64096276 (OP)
>we have the suspected pistol in custody
Anonymous No.64096314 >>64096327 >>64114917 >>64124194
>>64096297
>Involuntary manslaughter is a criminal charge that arises when a person causes another person's death through reckless or negligent behavior, but without the intent to kill.
lot of ways that could have gone.
Anonymous No.64096324 >>64099152
>>64096276 (OP)
Want to see how fast an "ip range is blocked"?
>>The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world

No, the 320 isn't any of those things demonstrably.
On top of that due to the design flaw once a sig p320 is racked and loaded it can go off without any manipulation of the trigger.
Personally based on my experience I believe doing a function test or actually firing, dry firing the 320 has the potential to once the slide is dropped chambering a live round after said actions the safety may not be engaged. Creating the perfect storm for design flaw discharging. Like any striker pistol there is always the built in chance the trigger does not fully return even if it does reset. And in the sig this means the safety is not engaged.
See you after my IP range vacation for explaining exactly why the sig is having issues.
Anonymous No.64096327 >>64096339 >>64096514 >>64097070 >>64097417 >>64098767 >>64099271 >>64105298 >>64114883 >>64116898
>>64096314
>Be MP
>Issued Sig
>Set holstered Sig on table
>Gun goes off by itself
>Someone dies
>Explain what happened
>Get arrested for manslaughter because throwing some nerd under the bus is cheaper than finding a new pistol
Anonymous No.64096339 >>64096345 >>64099075
>>64096327
sounds about right. probably too late though.
also in what situation would they put a holstered pistol on a table?
Anonymous No.64096342 >>64111698
>>64096276 (OP)
I don't understand why it's so damn difficult for them to come clean and admit the truth instead of this obvious face saving bullshit.
Seriously who do they think they're fooling with any of this?
Anonymous No.64096345 >>64096377 >>64096381 >>64096514
>>64096339
Dude probably had to take a shit and put his duty belt on the desk. Theyโ€™re not comfortable.
Anonymous No.64096357
>>64096276 (OP)
Apologize to sig NOW
Anonymous No.64096377
>>64096345
Fiber issue
Anonymous No.64096381 >>64096436
>>64096345
or maybe in a desk. idk i've never been in the .mil but i assumed you get it from the armorer and then you are stuck with it until you return it to the armorer
Anonymous No.64096436
>>64096381
General rule of thumb is as long as itโ€™s watched by someone and not left unattended youโ€™re g2g.
>Sup bro
>Dude I gotta take a shit the only place open during night shift was Taco Bell watch by gat
>Lol I got you bro
>Sets belt on desk
>Discharge
>Death
Anonymous No.64096446 >>64096638 >>64099177
It's the Airforce. I worked with some of the Airforce security forces guys. They were literally fucking low speed high drag full on retarded. Couldn't shoot. Couldn't hang during PT. Fucking dumb.
Anonymous No.64096459
APOLOGIZE!
Anonymous No.64096489 >>64097053 >>64104312
Lmafo /k/ got btfo on this one. Talk about jumping to conclusions. Do you guys actually own guns or do you just talk about other people's guns all day long?
Anonymous No.64096514 >>64096523 >>64096618 >>64097474 >>64097497
>>64096327
>>64096345
Wait a second. Did they ever say that the airman was killed by his OWN M18? Or someone elses? If someone else put their M18 on the desk and it killed another airman, then he's plain fucked. They'll bring back the firing squad just so they don't have to admit the colossal fuckup of adopting a jeet service pistol.
Anonymous No.64096523
>>64096514
Yes it was another airmanโ€™s firearm and he is currently incarcerated as a result. The first martyr for Sig is here.
Anonymous No.64096525
>>64096276 (OP)
This article still doesn't excuse all those years of uncommanded discharges
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fbi-sig-sauer-m18-p320-uncommanded-discharge/
Anonymous No.64096538
CRISS CROSS APPLESAUCE WINS AGAIN
Anonymous No.64096618
>>64096514
I'm pretty sure it was reported that way. Everyone was talking about it as if he was shot with his own gun. The initial news might have said that before the official story was clarified.
Anonymous No.64096632 >>64096665 >>64102803
>>64096276 (OP)
A random reddit post in a 'You heard it here first' style post on the sig subreddit stated that they have someone on that base that knows an investigation is starting and someone killed that airman and it wasnt his own gun going off, they just used that as a convenient story. It went nowhere and got deleted, but Ah remember.
Anonymous No.64096638 >>64099177
>>64096446
^Knower!
Anonymous No.64096660 >>64096665
>>64096276 (OP)
Airman violates military weapons handling policy by flagging sergeant with his holstered weapon. The weapon, a piece of shit Sig, malfunctions and fires. He's being charged because he pointed it at the sergeant. A weapons malfunction doesnt change the fact that he pointed a loaded gun at serge.
Anonymous No.64096665 >>64096853
>>64096632
i member
>>64096660
seems reasonable

of note i dicked around with a 320 at the lgs (600 fucking dollars are you high) and tried to do the squeeze the slide trick to make it go off and couldn't get it to work.
Anonymous No.64096853
>>64096665
Clear the weapon. Squeeze the trigger and do not let go. Pull back on the slide and release. Find the wall by letting the trigger go slowly until you hear the reset click. Do this a few times slowly. (Function test). Wiggle the slide after you have done this a few times. Try again. The safety resets farther down the trigger return and I believe this is the issue.
Anonymous No.64097053 >>64098686
>>64096489
It's just the faggots that watch that dramatubing nigger faggottrip. They infest this place and parrot all of his retarded takes from his livestreams.
Anonymous No.64097070 >>64097082 >>64097101
>>64096327
The US military is so fucking corrupt itโ€™s mind boggling, like yeah I love shitting on Russians because theyโ€™re both corrupt and incompetent whereas the US is corrupt but competent. Still Iโ€™ve heard so much fucking shit from friends who were in the military about stuff like this youโ€™d think the US military and DOD was a third world government itโ€™s so fucking corrupt.
I thank God I never joined.
Anonymous No.64097082 >>64097809 >>64099194
>>64097070
>corrupt but competent
>competent
sweet summer child, you fucking retard nigger cum stain. The US mil is almost entirely the retard class of whites as officers and the absolute worst nigs and spics filling in the gaps. Literally noone with an iq over 110 can legally join the military. They're 100% completely shit for brains.

There's literally no one stupider than a US grunt, except any other country's grunts.
Anonymous No.64097090 >>64097162 >>64097228 >>64098785 >>64099194
APOLOGIZE
Anonymous No.64097101
>>64097070
Different kinds of corruption.

>us
get jailed because sig needs a scapegoat
>russia
get jailed because you wore blue and yellow
Anonymous No.64097104 >>64099198
Well well, looks like the ol' sig boys win again
Anonymous No.64097129 >>64099198
Total ZOG mastery
Anonymous No.64097136 >>64099198 >>64118803
Sig Derangement Syndrome is real.
Anonymous No.64097162
>>64097090
I remember that.
Anonymous No.64097228
>>64097090
Still not good for sig when your gun is being used for fragging
Anonymous No.64097249 >>64097300 >>64098665
>>64096276 (OP)
i think it's absolutely hilarious that the p320 has a reputation for being such a defective piece of shit that someone killed a guy, used "the gun went off in its holster on a desk" as a defense, and everybody instantly believed him
Anonymous No.64097300
>>64097249
The gun isnt clear from fault here yet. Both things can be true, retarded airman and broken jeet blaster
Anonymous No.64097305 >>64097359 >>64097382 >>64097390 >>64097410 >>64097444 >>64099249 >>64104333 >>64109524 >>64111424 >>64125482
If I was Sig I'd be suing these fucking online grifters like that epic Protrabrand, Trench Grenada and little Benny Stoeger. These people are making money off grifting against Sig and their libel is causing monetary damage. If Sig is serious about doubling down they need to protect their customers and fans and push back against these grifters in court and go after IDPA as well for banning the 320. Just my take as a law school student
Anonymous No.64097359 >>64097378 >>64097390
>>64097305
Maybe find another craft champ
Anonymous No.64097378 >>64097397
>>64097359
NTA but if it can be proven that genuinely false. accusations have damaged their rep, they can at least be ordered to shut up. Unlikely to get money
Anonymous No.64097382 >>64097390 >>64114911
>>64097305
Typical dumb yankee shit. Always praising the first amemndment, then turning around and suing the first person you hear saying something you dont like.
Anonymous No.64097390 >>64097397 >>64104377
>>64097305
>>64097359
>>64097382
Stoeger and TG are just idiots so they'll be in the clear. Protraband is in trouble because he has been digging up documents then editorializing and quite often just reading them wrong to the point where people are taking his fake interpretations as fact. He would be the one in hot water
Anonymous No.64097397 >>64097404
>>64097390
>>64097378
Yeah, i don't particularly care about the libel shit that's just retarded, but sig did sue that police academy, so they might sue IDPA as well. But suing an organization that puts safety first is ridiculous. IDPA and police academy would also be exposed to harm for allowing the p320 despite of the obvious news, libel or not. I just know there are a fuckton of lawyers about as smart as 1 and 1 quarter of a marine so that just grated me.
Anonymous No.64097404
>>64097397
It's related I think. If they can successfully prove libel, then it's likely that the organizations will back down and not require legal action. It's also just a lot easier for them to win against some nobody YouTuber instead of, you know, major organizations major organizations
Anonymous No.64097410
>>64097305
Don't forget that fat bastard faggottrip.
Anonymous No.64097417 >>64098714 >>64099019 >>64111926 >>64111927
>>64096327
That story was always a huge red flag that /k/'s enlisted/served types will never admit.

Just from the logistical standpoint of disarming yourself it makes no sense that the service member took his gun off and faced the barrel to himsefl on the desk.
I pull my gun from holster and/or waist, set it down, and damn naturally the barrel is pointed away from me.

I had thought for some time now it has to be a suicide and the absolure biggest thing mil would cover up is a suicide performed while in service. With topic of p320 involved easiest rug sweep is gun went off - 2nd easiest is murder.
It's logically speaking a hard god damn thing to imply that someone plants a gun down pointing at them.
Anonymous No.64097444 >>64104371
>>64097305
Protraband would be the only one there that's fucked. He's the only one actively engaging in bad journalism, the others are basically just reacting
Anonymous No.64097474 >>64097482
>>64096514
I think most reports stated his own, but I don't know if any of them were the primary source.
That aside, I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference for Sig, just putting any holstered weapon down shouldn't be a safety hazard.
I was a bit skeptical that anyone would set a gun down pointing at themselves, only because that sounds a bit awkward, but I don't know exactly how the setup looks.
Anonymous No.64097482 >>64097837
>>64097474
If they're pressing charges, he was probably fucking around
Anonymous No.64097497 >>64097776 >>64098776 >>64119583
>>64096514
We don't even know if it really was a holstered discharge. For all we know the idiot was playing with the damn thing
Anonymous No.64097776
>>64097497
>hey, bet you ten bucks I can make this gun fire by just jiggling the slide a bit
>bullshit, you're on!
...
Anonymous No.64097809
>>64097082
>any of this
Nice way to out yourself as a retard.
Anonymous No.64097830 >>64097860 >>64124247
>>64096276 (OP)
OY VEY! Don't dare to question Jewish Sig Vey!
Anonymous No.64097837 >>64097857
>>64097482
There was a case in WA i believe where the jury decided manipulating the P320 at all was dangerous behavior even if they cleared Sig of wrongdoing, its a legal fact now that the gun is considered dangerous. They will likely charge this guy with a negligent homicide for not being scared ENOUGH of the gun.
Anonymous No.64097857
>>64097837
I think you're misquoting that. That's not something that can be established as judicial precedent.
Anonymous No.64097860 >>64100684 >>64100894 >>64120285
>>64097830
Nobody cares about the little hat. This is really an Uncle Sam problem
Anonymous No.64098665 >>64104329
>>64097249
>"the gun went off in its holster on a desk" as a defense, and everybody instantly believed him

maybe by fucking retards and faggot soi-faced gun "influencers". anyone that voiced a reasonable amount of skepticism was shouted down by the mass of bitchless, perpetually online losers with sig derangement syndrome. Nobody, and I mean nobody (LEO, military, or civilian) would remove a holster, orient the holster to face themselves, then place it down. if you truly believed this narrative at any point you deserve to be lobotomized.
Anonymous No.64098686 >>64114779
>>64097053
>faggottrip

i cannot believe there are people brain dead enough to watch this moron. I could not watch a single video of his without getting fatigued within the first 30 seconds. Or that fat fuck portrapotty.
Anonymous No.64098714
>>64097417
I would think that it would be fairly easy for investigators to find the truth of the "went off in the holster" thing. That would mean it tried to cycle in the holster, and released residue in the holster. It should either be jammed in there from failing to cycle or the inside of the holster should have powder residue near the barrel and ejection port. Any forensics lab should be able to figure it out very quickly.
Anonymous No.64098767
>>64096327
is there any security video of the incident?
sounds like this MP is getting the ol' scapegoat railroad treatment.]
Anonymous No.64098776
>>64097497
>For all we know the idiot was playing with the damn thing
Anonymous No.64098783
you guys arent schizo so whats your excuse?
Anonymous No.64098785
>>64097090
I remember that post
Pepperidge Farms remembers that post too.
Anonymous No.64099019
>>64097417
>it's a huge red flag that someone in the military wasn't as turbo autistic about DA RULES OF GUNZ as me
lol
lmao
kek
Guy who has clearly never met an airman, or any other 80 IQ enlisted.
Anonymous No.64099075
>>64096339
Relaxing or taking a dump
Anonymous No.64099152 >>64100701
>>64096324
Let me guess, you didn't actually get banned but posting it makes you feel like a prosecuted minority?
Anonymous No.64099177
>>64096446
>>64096638
Tbf you don't really need to be high speed if you're just going to be scanning people's CACs all day or pulling over Airman Snuffy for going 20 in a 15
Anonymous No.64099194
>>64097090
It ain't murder, the guy fucked up and didn't clear the gun and it went off and hit the other guy.

>>64097082
>muh IQ
The always notable sign of intellectual insecurity. What's next, going to brag about being part of MENSA?
Anonymous No.64099198
>>64097136
>>64097129
>>64097104
Samefag ^^
Anonymous No.64099249 >>64099300
>>64097305
Ben doesn't make money off of YouTube. He literally turns on a camera and says what he thinks and then uploads the video with zero editing
Anonymous No.64099271 >>64111934
>>64096327
They would have to prove the MP acted negligently or recklessly, which seems like it would be hard to do. If all that really happened was the sig was tossed onto a counter while in its holster, the guy could just argue that no reasonable person would expect the gun to go off.
Anonymous No.64099300
>>64099249
Comp shooters like Ben are aids self defense/military/police units.
Anonymous No.64100684 >>64118803
>>64097860
the tiny hats were at fault for making a piece of shit in the first place
Anonymous No.64100701 >>64112212
>>64099152
Sig and (((cohen))) have actually purchased/bribed a significant portion of the NSA and 4chan moderation and are actively running wet teams on anyone posting the truth. Cannot say more or they will triangulate and black bag me.
t. Knower.
Anonymous No.64100894
>>64097860
Itโ€™s more a โ€œthe army wants to put all their eggs in one basket to summon Boeing 2.0โ€ problem.
Anonymous No.64101911
>turns out it was just another case of military youths killing each other over barracksbunny pussy
I apologize SIG
Anonymous No.64102803 >>64111430 >>64124220
>>64096632
No, that Reddit post is still up and itโ€™s so funny seeing him reply to the comments weeks later asking for apologies lmfao
Anonymous No.64104312
>>64096489
What's worse, the p320 going off and killing someone, or someone using a gun that goes off as an excuse for killing someone?
Anonymous No.64104329
>>64098665
This you? There's still Roman Neshin who got his femoral shot by a Poop320
Anonymous No.64104333 >>64109274
>>64097305
Course not, the gun itself still isn't exonerated. Maybe the killer shook the gun at the victim real hard
Anonymous No.64104371 >>64111397 >>64111412
>>64097444
>it's bad journalism because I hate it!!
Shoot the message not the messenger. Try not to use a sig
Anonymous No.64104377 >>64111397 >>64111412
>>64097390
What makes the interpretations fake? Especially when he simply narrates the documents that third parties like the fbi release. Mad coz sig bad
Anonymous No.64104951
"Excuse me -- just one more question about the pistol..."
Anonymous No.64105298 >>64114695
>>64096327
>throwing some nerd under the bus is cheaper than finding a new pistol
Just tell MP's and officers to smash their P320's with a hammer including the faulty internals prone to unprovoked discharging and dump them into a big bin to be sent straight to the nearest steel factory to be recycled.

In the meanwhile make a super simple list of firearms that are approved of such as a G19 M&P and Hellcats if you insist on being a giant fucking queer.
Personally I'd rather just carry an extra mag and if I was in a situation were weight was a concern well Magpul and BCM plastic hand guards combined with a 12.5" barrels are fine when paired with a reasonably thick and comfortable sling.
All of that would be cheaper... But of course that would require our government to acknowledge that Sig is a fuckup which they aren't willing to do because Sig as of now still has deep pockets. A trend that won't last forever of course with all their lawyer fee's they'll be paying for the next couple of decades while their civilian market slowly dries up.

Anyway under normal circumstances I'm against destroying firearms hence why I boycott Benchmade BUT society isn't losing anything of value by smelting Sigger crap, sure a few should be kept around in museums to remind folks of the shame Cohen brought upon a once respected company but that's it.
Anonymous No.64105311 >>64114695
But yeah have said PM's and Officers buy their own handguns, if they value their lives they'll make better decisions than whoever green lit the P320/M18 for contract.
Anonymous No.64109274
>>64104333
>1753655323907888.jpg

Imagine liking this raging crybaby so much you post his pic.
Anonymous No.64109524
>>64097305
Thanks Colion,
You still have a dumb slave name though
Anonymous No.64110973 >>64111296 >>64118696
The design flaw is still well proven. The striker block is not reliable and intolerant of wear and loose tolerance.

Sig got attention and scrutiny, and a jury found the pistol defective so it is now common knowledge that if you have a p320 you are liable if it goes off on its own because of sig's shitty manufacturing and willingess to ship a design flaw *they already fixed in the p365*

Normies will now buy hammer fired guns as god intended (strikers are for cutting costs on both manufacturing and training). DA/SA WINS AGAIN!
Anonymous No.64111296 >>64111431
>>64110973
>Sig got attention and scrutiny, and a jury found the pistol defective
No, that's not what happened. The lawyer for the plaintiff argued that the 320 was dangerous and a defective design because it didn't have an external safety and that therefore Sig was liable and Sig said "lots of guns don't have external safeties; if you thought our gun was that dangerous and defective because it didn't have an external safety then why did you keep using it?". A bad argument from the plaintiff's legal team, but that's about all that can be made due to the fact that a precise, repeatable cause for the P320s doing a funny hasn't been found by anyone yet - much less proven in court.
Anonymous No.64111397 >>64114367
>>64104371
>>64104377
Have you actually watched his videos? He frequently injects his own opinions while or after reading those documents, which basically tells his viewers what they SHOULD think about it. Opinion pieces are fine, but op-eds need to be produced separately from the main reporting. That's what makes it rotten journalism and why he would be liable.
Anonymous No.64111412 >>64114367
>>64104371
>>64104377
His journalism is bad for the exact same reason that Fox News can no longer be listed as journalism.
Anonymous No.64111423
>>64096276 (OP)
>covering for Sig
I'm continuously impressed that retards can access the internet and post whatever they want.
Anonymous No.64111424
>>64097305
HI

YOU SEEM TO HAVE MADE A MISTAKE IN YOUR ASSERTION

DO ALL OF THE VIDEOS OF THE GUN GOING OFF WHEN IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO REASO. TO NOT EXIST IN YOUR MIND?
Anonymous No.64111430 >>64118803
>>64102803
100% justified.
Anonymous No.64111431
>>64111296
Don't bother. There's a very loud group of people who aren't familiar with the legal cases, the legal arguments, or even with the circumstances and yet loudly and confidently proclaim that there's deviant funny business going on.
It's a well known trait of idiots to assume they have all the facts.
Anonymous No.64111698 >>64111761
>>64096342
>why are they pulling this face saving bullshit
>The U.S. Army's contract with SIG Sauer for the Modular Handgun System, which includes the M18, is valued at up to $580,217,000
Money. It's always money.
Anonymous No.64111761 >>64111774 >>64112226
>>64111698
Money is also why the fags saying "oh just buy glocks" are wrong and stupid. The money on the gun is already spent and buying replacements is going to be even more expensive. You're not getting that money back from Sig so the most economical choice is to force a recall
Anonymous No.64111774 >>64111791
>>64111761
This whole thing is becoming very reminiscent of a certain program to find a new rifle that resulted in a new grenade launcher. Maybe the pertinent thing to do is to just buy the Sigs and air drop them into Russian occupied Ukraine.
Anonymous No.64111791 >>64111828
>>64111774
I mean...no? That's still a ton of money to just toss. Not only that, but with the amount of 320s in civilian use, we'd just be fucking ourselves to not compel a recall and update
Anonymous No.64111828
>>64111791
But with my idea more Russians die and with all the butthurt Sig sperging that canโ€™t claim we โ€œbooby trappedโ€ them. Just that they suck. 6D chess.
Anonymous No.64111926
>>64097417
You will never refgret planning around enlistees being as retarded as comprehensibly possible
Anonymous No.64111927
>>64097417
It got twisted in the retellings but it was never the guy who set the gun down that was shot, it was always a second person who was shot
The arrest is probably because he took the holster off and sat down to begin with, airmen are not armed unless they are actively standing watch, so this dude was just chilling out on watch, took his holster off his duty belt and someone else died because of both those actions and the failure of the p320

But as long as they can split the blame then they can take blame off sig
Anonymous No.64111934
>>64099271
>Military trial
>Have to prove anything
He's likely in trouble for taking the gun off his belt at all
Anonymous No.64112212
>>64100701
Get him, boys.
Anonymous No.64112226
>>64111761
That is very incorrect. Gov contracts contain failure stipulations and can even be totally recalled resulting in owed money to gov. This hardly ever happens tho because of your a company who does something that requires that then you've lost pretty much all ability to ever land another contract again
Anonymous No.64114367 >>64114709 >>64114749 >>64115133
>>64111397
>>64111412
>Where did he say he was a journalist? >Why does he have to be one to speak about this?
>When was his channel a news outlet?
>Why does providing an opinion invalidate the evidence? Especially when it is linked in the descriptions or shown on screen?
I like how nothing you said concerns the things he said, rather than the person who said it. Like I said, shoot the message next time.
Anonymous No.64114695
>>64105298
>>64105311
>sensible solutions that requires little to no money
Therefore will never happen in Clownworld, they'll unironically try to fix the M18 AGAIN and it will fail spectacularly.
Anonymous No.64114709 >>64119403
>>64114367
Nice try, Protraband, but you're still a retard with a 4th grade reading level
Anonymous No.64114749 >>64119403
>>64114367
Dude goes out of his way to find information, which he then disseminates on his public youtube channel and he asserts that his findings are true and accurate. That's independent journalism 100%, which means he's liable for the things he says and how he presents his info. Again, this is exactly why Fox News has to categorize themselves as "entertainment" since that means they are not held to journalistic standards.
Anonymous No.64114779
>>64098686
I blame it on fatherless children getting into the hobby and shitting things up when they latch onto anyone that pretends they have an ounce of authority.
Anonymous No.64114883
>>64096327
>just making up horseshit
gr8 b8 m8
Anonymous No.64114911
>>64097382
Oy, you got a loicense for that comment?
Anonymous No.64114917 >>64116898
>>64096314
>toss your holster and M18 on the desk because it's pressing painfully up against your thight in your desk chair
>it goes off and kills carl
>oh gee whizz the major is gonna fucking FREAK
Anonymous No.64115133 >>64119403
>>64114367
You have to be pretty bad to be called out by your own sources as being an idiot.
Anonymous No.64116862 >>64118803
what does this do to morale?
everyone in the AF has probably heard about the p320 problems, and now there's a very good chance, whether this was murder or accident, that you're to blame if your sidearm goes off on it's own
I'd ask for a beat up m9
Anonymous No.64116898 >>64116904 >>64116917
>>64096327
>>64114917
Or
>Playing around with unholstered loaded firearm, accidentally pull the trigger shooting and killing somebody
>Claim gun just went off when you set it down
>Witness eventually stops sticking to your story and says you were fucking with it out of the holster
>Can't prove it was intentional so DA picks the easy win of unintentional manslaughter
We'll have to wait to see if this was probably a UD or just a coincidental case of idiots being idiots
Anonymous No.64116904 >>64117083
>>64116898
Fuck off Cohen
Anonymous No.64116917 >>64117042 >>64117083 >>64118803
>>64116898
the funniest part is the p320 was already a sketchy gun and the incident prompted so much independent investigation, courts are now ruling that having a p320 is a liability because it is widely understood it has a shake awake feature. owning a p320 is now the legal equivalent of owning a taurus 24/7. sig is not at fault if you own one and it kills someone now. you are expected to believe sig sauer products are usnafe.

whether this is a cover up or not sig's still cooked. gj cohen, killer of brands. i wonder why cohen likes to kill gun companies? does he want to force legal precedents that make killing brands and penalizing gun owners easier? it's a mystery.
Anonymous No.64117015
Hammer Chads, once again we win from doing absolutely nothing.
Anonymous No.64117042 >>64118803
>>64116917
>you are expected to believe sig sauer products are usnafe.
>P320's are now the Pitbulls of the pistol kingdom basically
LOL
That may protect them from future litigation and consumer rights lawsuits but they've basically nuked their reputation and have forsaken any path to redemption. They ain't gonna have a comeback like Kimber or Colt.
Anonymous No.64117083
>>64116904
>>64116917
Autistic screeching is not an argument, unintentional manslaughter requires proving criminal negligence and prosecutors typically go for the charge they know they can get vs what they think happened. We'll have to wait for more info to be sure but if they actually push the UM charge then you can be just about guaranteed that the airmen was doing something REALLY negligent with the firearm when it went off. Like pointing it at people while unholstered as a "joke" level of negligence.
Anonymous No.64117754
>Again airman, you were the only one in the room with him and said he didn't pull the trigger himself, Sigs don't go off without a trigger pull, what happened?
Anonymous No.64117757 >>64118803
>Again airman, you were the only one in the room with him and you said he didn't pull the trigger himself, Sigs don't go off without a trigger pull, what happened?
Anonymous No.64118696 >>64118803
>>64110973
>The design flaw is still well proven.
ITP: LIES
Anonymous No.64118803 >>64118822 >>64120097
>>64118696
>>64117757
>>64117042
>>64116917
>>64116862
>>64111430
>>64100684
>>64097136

THE SIG 320 IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE BIGOT! Saying anything else is homophobic and antisemitic!

https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8

Seriously tho, check out the above. There appears to be some issue in objective reality land but I don't know if large multinational corporations full of MBA and fully ideologically possessed subjective reality cultists can actually see objective reality
Anonymous No.64118822 >>64119439
>>64118803
>Posting protrafag
I don't think there's anybody reasonable who can say that there aren't issues with the 320 QC, but this dude is legitimately an idiot schizo
Anonymous No.64119403 >>64119552
>>64114709
>no denial detected
Shut up Cohen, pay your kids

>>64114749
Come back when he claims he's a journalist then. But given the sources he links, you can make your own mind up. If you even care or dare to read them.

>>64115133
If only that happened
Anonymous No.64119439
>>64118822
Unintentionally discharging a P320 into the messenger huh? Ben "Engagement Hacking Grifter" Stoeger is more funny though
Anonymous No.64119552 >>64121825
>>64119403
You don't have to claim you're a journalist, dummy. But here's the tipster calling him out.
https://youtu.be/-OGoznkeTbo
Anonymous No.64119583
>>64097497
>be Senior Airman Jackass
>get issued handgun
>first time you've held a weapon since basic
>fingerfuck the shit out of it
>BLAM
>uhhh, sig did it
Death to SIG, but I'd believe it.
Anonymous No.64120097 >>64120100
>>64118803
filthy
dumb
SIGGER
scum

total sigger death
Anonymous No.64120100
>>64120097
Why are you reacting to an old as fuck video at this point?
Anonymous No.64120275
>>64096276 (OP)
they don't get it, this only makes me hate sig even more
Anonymous No.64120285 >>64120443
>>64097860
being this naive is almost a feat in itself
Anonymous No.64120443 >>64131757
>>64120285
Naivety is thinking evil jews did it when it was just lazy businessmen and disinterested politicians
Anonymous No.64120456
Remember that the US military is the same institution that intentionally attempted to Jerry-rig the m16 to be unreliable in hopes of killing American soldiers in Vietnam all because the original Springfield lost the rifle contract.
Anonymous No.64120476 >>64120516
They said involuntarily and lying, so my bet is that the arrest is because one security put their gun in a holster and it went off, then lied to the investigation team saying it wasn't his gun fearing an manslaughter charge. This is probably a case of someone overthinking themselves into a cell
Anonymous No.64120516 >>64120534
>>64120476
Involuntary just means he didn't intend to kill the guy, not that it was beyond his control. Manslaughter specifies killing a person without premeditation, but it can still be intentional. Involuntary manslaughter means that you caused an accident that killed someone, and your actions constitute criminal negligence.
Anonymous No.64120534 >>64120565
>>64120516
That's what I mean, we already know that the gun was in the holster and pointed towards the airman that died. What I am saying is that it could be where he set his gun down unsafly pointing towards another airmen and it went off in the holster, then fearing manslaughter charges lied about whose gun it was. That's what I mean by over-thinking yourself into a cell
Anonymous No.64120565 >>64120596
>>64120534
That wouldn't be the kind of gross negligence required. He would still get hit for lying and obstruction, but not the manslaughter charge. Since we know his story was at least partially fabricated, we can't just assume the gun actually went off in the holster uncommanded. We'll have to wait for what the full story is, but involuntary manslaughter is characterized by reckless behavior and/or a dangerous indifference to the potential consequences of an action
Anonymous No.64120596 >>64120618
>>64120565
Couldn't setting a gun down, holstered or not, with the barrel pointed at someone be considered as that level of gross negligence if the airmen in question was believed to have essentially belligerently lieing about the situation?
Anonymous No.64120602
>Inb4 military finds that airmen was showing his buddy that he could get the P320 to fire without pulling the trigger
Anonymous No.64120618
>>64120596
His obstruction wouldn't have bearing on the negligence. Again, we don't know how much of the original scenario was true, so the gun may not have even been set down on something, but accidentally flagging someone as you put the weapon down isn't something you'd get locked up for
Anonymous No.64121018
Iโ€™m guessing what happened is retardo 1 goes โ€œthese as sigsb are shit they go off by themselves!โ€ Then retardo 2 goes โ€œno it wonโ€™t, here take this hammer/flashlight/etc heavy object and smack the back of the gun while you point it at meโ€ or something like that Abe it went exactly as you expected. Retardo that thought it would go off was right
Anonymous No.64121825 >>64122861
>>64119552
You don't have to claim he is one either, dummy. I didn't. What's this douche calling him out on again? He's reading off the same script as Protraband is and they both say the gun is unsafe without the fix.
Anonymous No.64122861 >>64126318
>>64121825
You didn't watch it
Anonymous No.64124194
>>64096314
This. Someone was possibly being a dumbass with a loaded firearm. However, a lot of agencies have already banned this firearm based on the broader situation. P320 is done. Rest in piss, Sig.
Anonymous No.64124220
>>64102803
>seeing him reply to the comments weeks later
Your own pic shows that the thread is locked. He couldn't be replying at all. Why lie?
Anonymous No.64124247
>>64097830
>toolless windage adjustment
SIG is truly the most innovative gun manufacturer
Anonymous No.64125482
>>64097305
>people genuinely fall for bait this bad
holy fuck you faggots are dumb as rocks.
Anonymous No.64126318 >>64127896
>>64122861
Sounds like you didn't watch it yourself. Take your own advice and view the fucking video
Anonymous No.64127896 >>64129336 >>64129336
>>64126318
Here, I'll spoonfeed you: The video literally calls out people who only see what they wanna see and doing poor reporting. This is calling out Protraband, who was the first to take this tip and make a video on it, incorrectly interpreting it ad Sig admitting fault when it's a third party looking to sell an aftermarket addon. I'll see you in 12 to 18 hours after you come up with an excuse
Anonymous No.64129336 >>64130284
>>64127896
>>64127896
>This is calling out Protraband, who was the first to take this tip and make a video on it, incorrectly interpreting it ad Sig admitting fault
Now spoonfeed me a timestamp when he said that. I'll see you in 7 hours when morning comes in New Delhi, saaar
Anonymous No.64130284 >>64130603
>>64129336
9:03 onwards. How have you missed it every time?
Anonymous No.64130603 >>64131008
>>64130284
From 7:48 onwards Protraband mentions that everything he'll say is a "common sense assumption", so if you took that as fact that's on you. It's either a Sig employee designing a fix for their shitty, unsafe gun, or a former Sig employee designing a fix for their shitty, unsafe gun. And that means that Sig knew, and did nothing; or that Sig knew and did nothing.
Anonymous No.64130818
>fails to redact brief in which they openly admit the P320 is capable of uncommanded discharge
Anonymous No.64131008 >>64134563
>>64130603
lol dickriding. The actual fact of the matter is he didn't do his diligence and saw what he wanted to see, just like you are right now.
Anonymous No.64131757 >>64131806
>>64120443
You're right, their religious bias on everyone involved is purely another coincidence
Anonymous No.64131806
>>64131757
Kinda yeah. Mormons fuck over businesses the same way.
Anonymous No.64133271
>>64096276 (OP)
I know exactly how this happened.
>be MP
>night shift on gate guard with another anon
>"Hey anon, you heard about how these sigs are fuckn up?"
>"Yeah, its bullshit though"
>"No its not, look at this video"
>"Dude that's so fake and out of context, watch these guns are totally safe"
>BANG!
>"oh shit"

That weapon went off cause of those gay ass blue slides and those gay ass airmen. Too much gayness, the universe requires balance
Anonymous No.64134563
>>64131008
Lol hypocrisy. You treated an opinion as fact just to find a straw to grasp, then say I'm reaching? You're attacking the messenger because you can't attack the message that Sig guns are potmetal trash. You should call me an anti-gun grifter next, that's a classic