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Anonymous No.64097694 >>64097707 >>64097716 >>64097752 >>64097811 >>64097831 >>64097849 >>64097949 >>64097951 >>64097984 >>64098008 >>64098110 >>64098746 >>64098764 >>64098882 >>64099033 >>64099407 >>64099472 >>64099667 >>64099759 >>64099773 >>64099968 >>64108282 >>64108307 >>64109768 >>64111546 >>64113281 >>64116190 >>64117835 >>64123667
Why does no one want German hardware?
Aussies are literally stoked about getting Jap warships over anything Krauts had on offer.

https://youtu.be/tGv-fszgT-E
Anonymous No.64097707 >>64097722 >>64097927 >>64097931 >>64098655 >>64098977 >>64099266 >>64119071
>>64097694 (OP)
Wait does jap constitution allow arms sales? What the fuck?
Anonymous No.64097716 >>64098779
>>64097694 (OP)
>sea power has success selling ships
>land power does not
You are a dumb noongar. You are the blackest retard dreamtime noongar I have ever seen.
Anonymous No.64097722 >>64108307
>>64097707
As of 2023
https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d00984/#
Anonymous No.64097752
>>64097694 (OP)
germoids can't stop losing
Anonymous No.64097811 >>64111131
>>64097694 (OP)
Maybe the Nippon ship was more suited to Australia's needs than the German options
Staged No.64097831 >>64132739
>>64097694 (OP)
This is the third thread on this topic and all using the same low effort screengrab as OP

Is this gonna be warriortard's new obsession?
Anonymous No.64097849 >>64097943 >>64099968 >>64116161
>>64097694 (OP)
>Why does no one want German hardware
Turns out that shutting down all your nuclear power and praying windmills will replace them leads to extremely expensive manufacturing and a need to import power from other countries, increasing overall prices for everyone, further driving costs up.
Anonymous No.64097927 >>64119899
>>64097707
Obviously Mogami is a pacifist patrol ship with AAW capabilities to resist AShMs launched by criminals and ASW capabilities to hunt down narco submarines, not a tool of war.
Anonymous No.64097931
>>64097707
It's a self-defence ship.
Anonymous No.64097943 >>64099321
>>64097849
The shutting down was done by German politicians on Russian Gazprom pay.
Anonymous No.64097949
>>64097694 (OP)
It lost two world wars.
Anonymous No.64097951 >>64097960 >>64097970 >>64097997 >>64098747 >>64117824
>>64097694 (OP)
Why are people on this board such tards about international procurement?
If I am buying a fleet of cars for my company and I opt for Toyota over Volkswagen, it doesn't mean I hate Volkswagen and think they're shit, it means the Toyota dealer was giving me a better deal on balance.
Anonymous No.64097960 >>64097968 >>64112314
>>64097951
But Toyota is better than Volkswagen
Anonymous No.64097968 >>64105322
>>64097960
I'm inclined to agree but I don't hate Volkswagen and they're not shit. I used to drive a Golf. I now drive a Corolla. Both good.
Anonymous No.64097970
>>64097951
Except one being objectively superior to the other is a big part of why you're getting a better deal.
Anonymous No.64097984 >>64105322
>>64097694 (OP)
Germany always gets mogged by Japan and Germans are extremely butthurt about it. Wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't seen a /pol/ car talk thread where every german flag was seething like crazy whenever anyone said good things about Japanese cars.
Anonymous No.64097997 >>64098085 >>64099968 >>64111144
>>64097951
Wouldn't Germany and Europe's very, very ambitious rearmament plans that will almost certainly run into huge shortfalls result in Australia not entirely trusting Germany could give them full attention to deliver?
Anonymous No.64098008 >>64098063
>>64097694 (OP)
Aussie here, I guarantee we are buying whatever can be delivered fastest.
Anonymous No.64098063 >>64098076
>>64098008
then why would you insist on aukus ssn, like you wont get them until late 2030s even in the best scenario ???
when several aip ssk is available on the market before 2035, with decent performance for west pacific/southern third island chain theater ?
Anonymous No.64098076
>>64098063
>then why would you insist on aukus ssn
Different government, AUKUS was pushed by ScoMo before he took a job in the US defence sector.
Anonymous No.64098085
>>64097997
Yes, Germany would always prioritize European defense over the pacific, for obvious reasons. Japan on the overhand has a lot more incentive to help Australia out as they're neighbours.
Anonymous No.64098110
>>64097694 (OP)
Kristem Amiet looks like a real bitch. Oh sure, she's smiling now...
Anonymous No.64098655 >>64098692 >>64123513
>>64097707
They added the "no arms sale" bit to their constitution themselves in the 80s because liberal cucks were in power, and removed it in recent years. There was never a "no arms sale" clause in the Post-War constitution ratified by the Americans.
Anonymous No.64098692 >>64098713 >>64098977
>>64098655
From what I understand they don't even really add/remove anything they just reinterpret it.

Basically they just have to agree to all think hard enough that it means something else.
Anonymous No.64098713 >>64098730
>>64098692
No. They added the "no sales" bit themselves without anyone telling them to. They then just decided to remove that particular bit.
The interpretation thing is mostly about building offensive weapons.
I, for one, think the US made a major mistake by embargoing Japan in 1941. The US thought that chinks could be a major democratic partner in East Asia and that the Japanese should be confined on their small island. Zero thoughts to balance of power was given by the Jews and liberals in charge.
Anonymous No.64098730 >>64098748 >>64098757 >>64098977 >>64111093
>>64098713
>nooo we should have sold oil to the Japan who were invading China, attacking our ships, and occupying French colonies
nah that's retarded
the japs should have simply stayed in their empire and avoided war altogether. there would have been no embargo then.
unfortunately the dumb bucktooths in charge couldn't understand that they weren't strong enough to dominate asia
Anonymous No.64098746
>>64097694 (OP)
Germany is doing fine on arms export. And economically speaking we also just recently overtook Japan as the third largest economy in the world.
Anonymous No.64098747
>>64097951
Volkswagen is pretty shit. It might as well be a Ford.
Anonymous No.64098748 >>64098770 >>64109044 >>64121598
>>64098730
>the japs should have simply stayed in their empire and avoided war altogether. there would have been no embargo then.
Have you read the Hull note? It demanded Japan to give Manchuria to China. That's not "staying in their empire" that's them no longer having an empire.
At the point where the US stopped selling oil to Japan, there was no attack by Japan on American ships, and Japan took over Vichy indochina to cut off Chinese supply routes.
All the US had to do was to sell Japan some oil, or at least allow the Dutch East Indies to sell Japan some oil.
Anonymous No.64098757
>>64098730
I wonder 谁 could be behind this post
Anonymous No.64098764
>>64097694 (OP)
>Why does no one want German hardware
lol what
Anonymous No.64098770 >>64098780 >>64098977 >>64109044
>>64098748
They acquired Manchuria through war only a few years before. Their empire needn't have expanded. They coaxed themselves into a SNAFU were given a dozen chances to step back from it but decided to keep doubling down even after knowing they bit off more than they could chew and as a result of their bad gambling they ended up as a rich country with a constitution written by another country
Anonymous No.64098779
>>64097716
Germany currently makes the best conventional submarine
the new "frigates" are kinda nice as well (if you overlook all the production fuck ups and that the main contractor is dutch)
domestic airbus also makes naval drones, MBDA / Rheinmetal naval lasers and almost every trad naval armament also has at least one German manufacturer

and on the civilian side
they got a few successful luxury yacht shipyards and make a big chunk of the global cruise ships fleet

it's not like the know-how is missing in Germany
Anonymous No.64098780 >>64098795
>>64098770
>They acquired Manchuria through war only a few years before. Their empire needn't have expanded.
Manchuria is a rightful part of Japan. Are you saying the current way of things in East Asia is a good balance of power? Take a look at the map some time.
Japan didn't bite off more than they can chew. They only severely underestimated the fetish-like love for chinks that western liberals like you have.
Anonymous No.64098795 >>64098802
>>64098780
>Manchuria is a rightful part of Japan
Even the most hopped up WW2 japanese kwangtung army lieutenant, the one that everyone ranked major and above is told to watch out just in case he decides to start an assassination plot against the most minor impedance against the IJA, who writes a poem with his own blood to the emperor every morning, would not say this.
Anonymous No.64098802 >>64098820
>>64098795
I say this and I was born in Harbin.
Anonymous No.64098820 >>64098835 >>64098977
>>64098802
Right, and I'm saying that the japanese were smart enough to not get too deeply involved with your kind, they're already regretting everything they'd done in post russo-japanese war korea to grant koreans a path to japanese residency.
Anonymous No.64098835 >>64098852
>>64098820
>they're already regretting everything they'd done in post russo-japanese war
Kill yourself subhuman scum.
Anonymous No.64098852 >>64098963
>>64098835
Is this coming from an actual mongoloid born in Harbin?
Anonymous No.64098882 >>64101665 >>64101850 >>64101903 >>64107570 >>64113281
>>64097694 (OP)
Meko as a platform is outdated. It's a 80s design being used for tomorrow's warfare, and any design changes are bandaid rather than holistically applied

This is why countries who operated Meko-class ships before (Australia, Malaysia, Turkey, Argentina) decided against getting more of them, opting for more modern designs like Mogami or Gowind or
Anonymous No.64098963
>>64098852
Anonymous No.64098977 >>64099462 >>64101901
>>64097707
>>64098692
>>64098730
>>64098770
>>64098820
Anonymous No.64099033
>>64097694 (OP)
Have you looked at Germany's recent ship designs? They're retardedly huge, underarmed and full of problems.
Anonymous No.64099266 >>64099309
>>64097707
The weapons are for whale hunting.
Anonymous No.64099309 >>64099422
>>64099266
whale immobilization and research*
Anonymous No.64099321 >>64099445
>>64097943
So the Green Party and the commies?
Anonymous No.64099407 >>64113680
>>64097694 (OP)
Oh dear, they bought Japanese warships.
I, Johann Schmidt from Hamburg oblast, am now very demoralized.
In fact, my friend from Osaka, Japan Sato Hiroshi calleld me and laughed at me. He sent me this picture.
Anonymous No.64099422
>>64099309
Eff you, whales!
Anonymous No.64099445 >>64099860
>>64099321
That was signed into law in 2012 by CDU (corrupt, takes pay frrom Russian proxies and gazprom) and SPD (corrupt, take pay from gazprom)
Luckily, we have far felt and far right parties (both take Kremlin money), and a liberal neocon party (they are lobbyist whores) and a green party (they're part hippy, part moron)

Our only hope is a stronger, better armed and united Europe.
Anonymous No.64099462 >>64101922
>>64098977
>spaz out
>get your entire holdings invaded, seized and liberated
>get your homeland bombed to shreds
>become the only country to be nuked in anger
real big brain activity
Anonymous No.64099472 >>64130875
>>64097694 (OP)
>Why does no one want German hardware?
I know this is a bait thread, but they look quite successful irl.
Anonymous No.64099667 >>64099787 >>64101514 >>64101874 >>64101907 >>64101941 >>64105739 >>64107727
>>64097694 (OP)
are germans actually upset about this?
Anonymous No.64099759
>>64097694 (OP)
>do you want nippon steel from nation that needed 2 nukes to stop them
>or will you buy 2x world war loss krautberger hardware
Anonymous No.64099773
>>64097694 (OP)
Anonymous No.64099787 >>64101593 >>64101653
>>64099667
Our subs are well known to be good and have enough customers. We don't need to win every single sub procurement contract in the world to prove it.
We are also not angry that poles buy korean hardware btw.
Anonymous No.64099860
>>64099445
Crazy part is that the greens have turned into what might be the most war hawkish party of them all. This timeline is fucking whack.
Anonymous No.64099968 >>64100861 >>64101349
>>64097694 (OP)
>>64097849
from what I heard germany's offer itself actually was both cheaper and better armed, but the deciding factor here was strengthening japanese-australian relations and military cooperation. which is prefectly reasonable considering they're both up against china. and i'm sure >>64097997 was a factor too
Anonymous No.64100861 >>64101661
>>64099968
>a century after wwii, warships of the rising sun finally reach the shores of the land downunder
>but instead of being reviled conquerors the japanese will be there as beloved allies, united with the aussies against the true threat of mainland china
Man, what a time to be alive.
Anonymous No.64101349 >>64106549
>>64099968
>from what I heard germany's offer itself actually was both cheaper and better armed,
It wasn't and it wasn't. Germany's offer was also nothing more than a paper design while Japan's currently building their own version of what they plan to export to Australia. Better relations with Japan is just a side effect, Japan is simply better at building ships better and faster
Anonymous No.64101514
>>64099667
I doubt it, everyone, including germans, know the current line up of german 'combat' ships are better classified as slightly better armed coast guard ships.
Anonymous No.64101593 >>64101868 >>64101872
>>64099787
>losing is good
Typical loser mindset
Anonymous No.64101653 >>64101868 >>64101872
>>64099787
>we are also not angry about a thing that nobody brought up in the first place
>we repeat, we are NOT angry about a thing that lives rent free in our heads
Anonymous No.64101661
>>64100861
I still want a Jap Fleet Carrier by 2041 for the centenary
Anonymous No.64101665 >>64101903
>>64098882
Sigma, Gowind, Doha etc. designs are only really good as corvettes. Bloatmaxxing them for the fuel bunkerage required from a frigate just gives you an imbalanced design. Every ship class needs its own specific design.
Anonymous No.64101850 >>64102043
>>64098882
No one cares what ypur shithole uses. Malingshit
Anonymous No.64101868 >>64101938
>>64101593
>>64101653
Germ subs is the real deal though
PEMFC + Li-ion is the best combo for quasi-nuclear performance (if you're too poor to afford real HEU reactor SSN).
TKMS shipyard are already overloaded with juden,norway,singapore submarine order. At best they might accommodate for canadian order, but that's it.
Or you can go to french Naval Group, at least whoever in charge of procurement would likely get a big fat paycheck from Naval Group or french gov itself, last i heard their shortfin barracuda for dutch are facing delay after delay and wont enter service until mid 2030s, and the boats wont even have any TLAM or mdcn, kek.

>https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dutch-expeditionary-submarine-programme.43150/

And dutch even has the balls to say french subs are selected on the basis of better endurance, despite Naval Group never managed to build an operation FC system.
Anonymous No.64101872 >>64101918
>>64101593
>>64101653
It's the same thing every time.
>Someone other than germany gets a contract
>You mad krauts? I bet you mad! Krauts mad as fuck!
Gets boring frankly. Our stuff has plenty of customers and the industry is overworked as it is.
Anonymous No.64101874
>>64099667
>are germans actually upset about this?
lol no, the only big naval stuff we sell that is top tier are the subs, i was surprised thyssenkrupp even came that close
Supposedly they were slightly cheaper but Australia wanted to tighten their defense reltions with Japan
Anonymous No.64101901
>>64098977
how can this chink talk if his head is being cut off?
captcha says GRNGR, this is probably what he'd be saying
Anonymous No.64101903 >>64101915
>>64098882
>>64101665
Don't look up how long the Malaysian Gowinds have been under construction btw
Anonymous No.64101907
>>64099667
no desu, the Mogami is cool and Japan doesn't sell much otherwise. I would've been a bit mad if another contender had won, but no hard feelings for Japan. I wish Germany and Japan cooperated more too military wise.
Anonymous No.64101915
>>64101903
That has nothing to do with the design itself, moron
Anonymous No.64101918
>>64101872
it's cookie cutter D&C shilling, remember the pzh2000/krab threads?
Anonymous No.64101922 >>64103741
>>64099462
Enjoy your niggers, kikes, vatniks, chinks and poos
You probably are one of them.
Anonymous No.64101938 >>64101965 >>64102042
>>64101868
>despite Naval Group never managed to build an operation FC system.
The frogs have completed design on a functional diesel-powered fuel cell nearly 15 years ago, and were running a static land installation around 2017.
They stopped offering it around 2019, because they decided to copy the Japanese and drop AIP completely. They probably came to the same conclusion, namely that the headaches involving LOX cryostorage and the overall size/displacement of the system wasn't cost-effective. There's also the issue that batteries can always be recharged, whereas LOX can only be replenished in port.

So they now offer a shitton of Li-ions coupled to giganigga fast charge generators turned by the sub's regular engines. Sure, indiscretion interval (time spent snorkeling) is theoretically increased. However, the big advantage of more batteries over AIP (and fewer batteries) is that, with batteries, you can go fast, or slow. With AIP you can only go slow (and only for as long as you have LOX).

Fuel cells really shone back when sub battery tech was shit. Submarine Li-ions offer nearly 3x the energy storage for the same size/displacement as LA. Whereas even the best fuel cells are only circa 27(+/-)% better than 20 years ago.
Anonymous No.64101941 >>64107727 >>64111581 >>64116501
>>64099667
Not really, g*rmans can only build great subs
Any surface ships built since 1918 was all fucking dumpsters
Same goes for the new MEKO a400 amd, which at this point more or less will become f127.
> t. 10000 t standard displacement
> only 64 vls
> no laser planned
> FUCKING RAM launcher again
G*rmans should never, ever be allowed to design and build surface warships on their own, ever again
My disappointment is immeasurable
Anonymous No.64101949 >>64101961 >>64107727
lots of g*rm seethe in this thread about superior Japanese engineering lel
Anonymous No.64101961 >>64107918
>>64101949
this is genuinely sad, put some effort in, will ya
Anonymous No.64101965 >>64102014
>>64101938
Nah, most of the current LIB has an energy density of about 150 Wh/kg at best, for a total 120 Mwh.
going at 15 knots alone would require at least 3 Mw, so that not even 2 days.
A brazillian study on the u216 concept also stated the endurance of said system could be roughly about 75 days on fuel cells alone, and 9 knots for about 30 days
And with LIB, pushing for 80+ days fully submerged wouldn't be much of a problem.

> Nossa escolha pelo sistema AIP recai sobre o processo Siemens PEM-FC33
> BZM120 (ver Fig. 1). No U-6800 preve mos a instalação com quatro células de 120 kW, total de 480 kW. Esta potência e os estoques de LOX e metanol calculados permitem um regime de patrulha por 75 dias de 4 a 5 nós ou 35 dias com veloci dade de 8 a 9 nós.
> Os módulos PEM-FC mais dois re formadores de metanol de 240 kW cada
teriam o mesmo layout do U-216 propos to pela TKMS para a RAN (vide Fig. 2).
> Para 2023, o grupo Siemens já anunciou o lançamento da quarta geração de PEM, as BZM-Evo, gerando mais energia com maior eficiência.

And the system can be scaled up for extra performance
TLDR: can the PEMFC be phased out with better battery tech ? Sure, but the current LIBs isn't an alternative over it
Anonymous No.64102014 >>64102657 >>64103424
>>64101965
>the current LIB has an energy density of about 150 Wh/kg
Which is over 3x that of LA (~40 Wh/kg). Also, volumetric efficiency (Wh/L, a.k.a. Wh/cubic decimeter) is around 5x, at 390 versus 75 (which is important, because physical space in a sub is extremely limited). All around, you can fit 3x the amount of LIBs per weight compared to LA, or 5x the amount per size.

>going at 15 knots alone would require at least 3 Mw, so that not even 2 days.
The difference is you *can* go 15 kt on LIBs (heck, you can go flank, if you don't mind having to surface after 3 hours, and spending the next 2 with your dick out recharging), whereas on FC you're stuck puttering along at 7-8 kt max. And then you still have to snorkel for a big charge, since FCs produce relatively low power. Like I said, with batteries, you can go fast if you need to, or you can go slow to preserve charge.

>why didn't Worst Korea go for all-LIB in the KSS-III Batch 2, then
Because a) they don't need them, their main enemy is right next door, so puttering along at 8 kt is acceptable due to short distances. And b) all-LIB layout is very expensive, and Worst Koreans have relatively tight military budgets, needing to spread the money on a lot of different systems, air, sea, and land. Hence why Batch 2 recycles most of the Batch 1 design (for cost reasons) while adding a few evolutionary improvements (like LIBs instead of Batch 1 LAs, which weren't a thing back in the early-mid-2010s when the original Batch 1 design was finalized).
Anonymous No.64102042 >>64106374
>>64101938
>With AIP you can only go slow
You shouldn't talk about stuff you know nothing about. The fuel cells on class 212A boats are solely for recharging the batteries, not for providing power to the motor.

>Submarine Li-ions offer nearly 3x the energy storage for the same size/displacement as LA.
The energy density of chemical fuels is an order of magnitude higher than that of batteries.
Anonymous No.64102043
>>64101850
Tick Tock Ambalat is ours
Anonymous No.64102657
>>64102014
> stuck puttering along at 7-8 kt max
not really, even a single BZM120 fuel cell module isn't that much bigger, volumetric wise than a BZM34 module
Considering the tiny 212a can store 9 BZM34, a 3000-4000t SSK can easily stack at least 1,5 of that number, if not more. That alone would be enough for 14 kts transit.
> t. pic related

> you can go flank, if you don't mind having to surface after 3 hours
And get pwned by ASW assets, when the only thing matters is to try to stay undetected ?
Anonymous No.64103424
>>64102014
>Worst Koreans have relatively tight military budgets
That alone already contradicts your hypothesis since fuel cells are the number 1 reason why modern coventional subs are expensive.
Anonymous No.64103741 >>64109140 >>64109148
>>64101922
You'll be a useful nuke sink when the time comes
Anonymous No.64105322 >>64107727
>>64097968
>>64097984
German cars are pure lease machines if ya see one selling cheap there is a reason
Anonymous No.64105739
>>64099667
>you japs are pathetic insects that fucked up WW2
The irony of a fucking krautcuck saying this
Anonymous No.64106374
>>64102042
> The fuel cells on class 212A boats are solely for recharging the batteries, not for providing power to the motor.

Sauce ?
Anonymous No.64106549
>>64101349
It's a fucking groupd of islands. Not exactly surprising.
Anonymous No.64107570 >>64107692 >>64107727
>>64098882
That thing seems too oversized for a coast guard patrol boat
Why germany can’t put out decent ship design at all ?
Anonymous No.64107692 >>64108556
>>64107570
It's a 3k ship. Hardly oversized.
Anonymous No.64107727 >>64108159
>>64099667
No.
Only ziggers, PiStards and other falseflag psyop faggots post about this.
e.g.
>>64107570
>>64105322
>>64101949
>>64101941
Anonymous No.64107918 >>64114092
>>64101961
lol Muhammad is seething
Anonymous No.64108159 >>64108579
>>64107727
> criticizing f127 piss poor armaments suite
> you’re a zigger !!!
Seeth and cope, faggot, no amount of ‘muh automation’, ‘muh modularity’ can downplay the fact that F127/A400 AMD is piss poorly armed for its size.
G*rmans should just dissolve TKMS surface ship department and buy ASEV.
German subs, on the other hand, is top class though
Anonymous No.64108282
>>64097694 (OP)

>dying out pooplak gook tranny cope version 224335535256.0

kek
Anonymous No.64108307
>>64097722
holy POG

>>64097694 (OP)
why wouldnt be, ever worked a german car and a jap car?
Anonymous No.64108556
>>64107692
It is, considering it’s just the north and baltic that they have to patrol
Anonymous No.64108579 >>64108621
>>64108159
Mogami has superior automation anyway. Literally requires a smaller crew while being far more heavily armed.
Anonymous No.64108621 >>64108667
>>64108579
Yup, ~90 crew for New FFM (Mogami+) and ~120-140 crew for MEKO A-200.
So anywhere from ~25-50% additional crew required.
Anonymous No.64108667 >>64110452
>>64108621
It does look more aesthetic though, I'll give it that. Not sure how I feel about the Mog's dunce hat.
Anonymous No.64109044 >>64111109
>>64098748
This. America was always wary of the Japanese Empire and long wished to remove them as a threat to their designs in the pacific.
>>64098770
What Japan was doing with China is little different than what America does with Mexico and Canada.
Anonymous No.64109140
>>64103741
Thanks for outing yourself as a Japan hating subhuman. If only other "liberals" were so honest.
Anonymous No.64109148
>>64103741
It's far easier to defend a few small islands against nukes than it is to cover a whole continent, with both current BDM and potential future systems.
Anonymous No.64109768 >>64109845 >>64121573
>>64097694 (OP)
something about a 12kton frigate with 16 VLS cells
Anonymous No.64109845
>>64109768
I'm personally a big fan of the 6kton frigate with 32 VLS cells
Anonymous No.64110452 >>64111135
>>64108667
>Not sure how I feel about the Mog's dunce hat.
The practicality more than makes up for the stupid look. The entire mast can be hot swapped if there is any failure and the design puts the ESM and ELINT equipment higher than almost every other comparable frigate.
https://youtu.be/-VbbrmAKZnA?si=X0bbZo9WsxEZQphb&t=437
Anonymous No.64111093
>>64098730
Not him but imo it was the end consequence of a series of unfourtunaye events which may have been unavoidable. Who knows if the Japanese would play ball, while the Chinese where so weak it was a given they would have to with pretty much anyone who showed up.
Then you see the wartime policy in continental Asia during said war was an absolute sloppy mess. Everyone competent was seemingly busy with something else. Could have spared the world and the continent an incalculable amount of chaos if it was handed properly.
Anonymous No.64111109
>>64109044
>America was always wary of the Japanese Empire
It’s more that America “didn’t understand” the near future of commiekikery dominating the region, because they were so focused on Germany and Europe, even as they invaded Japan as a pretext to join the war. Also:
>like what America does with Canada and Mexico
Most insane effeminate comparison ever made.
Shitskin or babushka? Given the place the answer seems obvious kek
Anonymous No.64111131
>>64097811
German ships are for the Baltics. Jap ships are for the pacific. Easy choice
Anonymous No.64111135 >>64114610 >>64126148
>>64110452
No one's doubting its practical applications, I just wish reduced radar signatures didn't have to mean looking like a solid slab. I understand the necessity though, I only lament the trend of surface combatants looking increasingly like above-water subs.

Having said that, the Mog does read like a more 'serious' warship if that makes sense. While I like the aesthetics of the MEKO, something about it just feels off. It's like an oversized OPV.
Anonymous No.64111144
>>64097997
They aren't taking rearmament that seriously. It's an opportunity to inject a little life into the defence sector, give Ukraine old shit and make new stuff and adapt to changes in warfare.

They all know now Russia is going to be fuck all of a threat.
The only countries actually expanding force structure meaningfully are the Eastern Europeans - ie creating new combat brigades, expanding their air force squadrons, efc
Anonymous No.64111546
>>64097694 (OP)
Nobody buys anything from Muslims other than oil
Anonymous No.64111581
>>64101941
Trvke. The Kaiserliche Marine was peak
Anonymous No.64112314
>>64097960
still is ? t roc is kinda solid
Anonymous No.64112333 >>64112412
You buy German subs, not surface ships

If Japan is offering you a deal, you take it especially if you're in the same region as them
Anonymous No.64112352
Your thread is dead, fartsniffer.
Just let it go.
Anonymous No.64112412
>>64112333
I want a German U-boat.
Anonymous No.64113281 >>64117813
>>64097694 (OP)

Just makes sense for Australia to buy Mogamis:
- With the upcoming south china sea war it makes sense to strengthen political and industrial ties with your nearby allies, germany would only be profiteers
- Mogamis are as capable at least on paper even though they are completely untested
- With 90 people complement it's easier to staff for a low pop country like australia
- TKMS wouldn't even be able to handle the order with their backlog
- Japan promised to share technology and production with Australia as part of the deal

>>64098882

highly doubt it's outdated considering the a-200 basically beat out the Alfa 3000 and Worst Korea's FFX which are considerably more modern ships.

Also Argentina hasn't even replaced their Meko ships and only bought tiny Gowind's 1000. Those are completely different ship types. (No time to check all the other claims)
Anonymous No.64113680 >>64124954
>>64099407
Why would a filipino be simping for krauts and japs ?
Anonymous No.64114092
>>64107918
my sides, they will never promote you to social media with such low effort D&C, my brown friend
Maybe try a krab/pzh2000 thread next time
Anonymous No.64114610 >>64124976
>>64111135
MEKO does in fact look better. It has more soul.
Anonymous No.64116161
>>64097849
But no worry, more green™ and clean™ coal and gas from russia coming to save the day !
Anonymous No.64116190
>>64097694 (OP)
>Why does no one want German hardware?
Because outside Rheinmetall they can't deliver shit
Anonymous No.64116501
>>64101941
The 10000 tons is needed to fit essential facilities such as the Muslim prayer rooms, gender neutral bathrooms and eco-friendly multiculture workshops.
Anonymous No.64117813 >>64118855
>>64113281
> the a-200 basically beat out the Alfa 3000 and Worst Korea's FFX which are considerably more modern ships.
> it was real in my mind !!!
Is this “beat out” currently in this room with us ?
Anonymous No.64117824
>>64097951
There are geopolitical considerations too
Anonymous No.64117835 >>64119017
>>64097694 (OP)
Gemran ships are overpriced meh at best. They are only good at subs.
Anonymous No.64118855 >>64119424
>>64117813
NTA, but the program was considering 4 frigate designs; ALFA3000, FFX batch II or batch III, MEKO A-200, and Mogami (New FFM).

The two finalists were A-200 and Mogami, with mogami being the winner.
Anonymous No.64119017
>>64117835
>Gemran
Holy shit, I hope they dock your pay.
Anonymous No.64119071 >>64119888
>>64097707
this is good but the surprise carriers are still the best.
Anonymous No.64119424
>>64118855
The report released/leaked (I don't have it), said that two options from TKMS were considered. I'm assuming A200 and A210.
Upgraded FFM was 20% more expensive but clearly they had more incentives (technology, timeframes, trust, politics etc.).
Anonymous No.64119888 >>64119921
>>64119071
That looks demonic
Anonymous No.64119899
>>64097927
Those goddamn nuclear submarine pirate navies wtf how do they keep getting away with cocaine torpedoes and intercontinental ballistic heroin?
Anonymous No.64119921
>>64119888
What's wrong with placating the jet's Machine Spirit?
Anonymous No.64121573
>>64109768
f126 was a dutch design, through and through
Anonymous No.64121598
>>64098748
Lmao all they had to do was LOSE! Why won't they??
Anonymous No.64121601 >>64127485
>warship
>warship (Japanese)
Anonymous No.64123513
>>64098655
And those liberal cucks were put in powers by (((americans)))
Anonymous No.64123667
>>64097694 (OP)
>Why does no one want German hardware?

their doctors, engineers, and scientists aren't the same as they used to be.
Anonymous No.64124954
>>64113680
Yes
Anonymous No.64124976
>>64114610
>soul
>kraut trying to pass off bugs as features

Shit only works if you're italian, dumdum
Anonymous No.64126148
>>64111135
Modern stealthy shape is such a soulless and bs criteria
Anonymous No.64127485
>>64121601
Yes
Anonymous No.64130875
>>64099472
> poland
wut are they selling ?
Anonymous No.64132739
>>64097831
Probably a nip flag poster from /int/
they love fellating themselves