Thread 64098455

How to approach the game changers that failed to reverse the Russian tide? Should they be scrapped in favor of leaner options? Is the West ready for mass infantry assaults supported by fpv meta?

How's Sumy going?

>>64098460
Ukraine is Russia not the West.

>>64098465
>ukraine's location is west of russia
>therefore, ukraine is part of 'the west'
checkmate rajesh

>>64098455 (OP)
>Russian tide
>holds less ground than in 2022
Huh

>>64098455 (OP)
MFA sprinkel some rupee's today for /k/ shilling?
can you tell me about all the nato generals you captured too?

what's the global south mad about today?

>>64098485
>our losses are 4,200 people, eternal memory lies here
already forgotten in the next moment

>>64098455 (OP)
Why are you so angry that meatwaves aren’t working for russia?

Russian summer offensiev 2024 to finally conquer Kharkiv status?

Russian summer offensiev 2025 to finally conquer Dumy and Donbass status?

Forever Russian city of Kherson status?

Kyiv in 3 days status?

>>64098534
Abject poverty

The timelines are merging!

>>64098455 (OP)
But that not an actual western officiel; bad attempt; russia is fighting the disgusting turkish scoundreld and ukro but not the West, fortunately for russia.

>>64098606
Is that the SG1 guy?

>>64098608
brown

>>64098485
>4200 people
What about russians?

>>64098609
Jack O’Neill? No, just looks a bit like him.

>>64098455 (OP)
Peacetime militaries have always been slow to addopt new technologies but I have really been disappointed by how slowly we are moving with small drone recon and kamikazes.
As for fighting against nations with them insurgencies will be much worse but conventional wars won't change a heap as we have the air power to go full Dresden on drone manufacturing and import centers.
I'm just happy as an Aussie we have the dirt cheap cardboard drones and companies focusing on extremely cheap options that can be scaled with civilian industry.

>>64098455 (OP)
It was more enjoyable than anything Russia has done in years and that's all that matters. War should be fun.

>>64098609
Red Alert 1

>>64098465
nigger

>>64098455 (OP)
Last time I checked Tungsten Rain still worked great against meat.

>>64098455 (OP)
Is the OP ready to actually learn how to speak and write English in a way that doeesn't seem like he's a functionally illiterate fuck up from a cold, rotten shithole who learned to mimic it through a social media and cheap FPS game addiction?

A coalition of France-Germany-Baltics-Poland would utterly decimate Russia with air power followed by armor and infantry to occupy not to fight. They would quickly make it to Moscow and St. Petersberg.

Russia is already doing so badly and bogged down against Ukraine with a tiny airforce, how would they fair against a real NATO air force that wasn't fucking around??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjypd0ZB6kQ

According to big mac, some fuck ups in Kherson with a new idiot commander, and the Russians are hitting the city hard with FPVs.

>>64098455 (OP)
People will look at this and then refuse to make a repeat of this mistake for the next 80 years. Society just needed a reminder on why WWI was bad.

>>64098857
What needs to happen to make them actually join instead of hailing Ukraine as saviors of humanity while letting them bleed alone?

>>64098935
russia would need to take kiev firstly
and odessa secondly

>>64098935
Everyone's afraid of escalation, because they want the war contained. I think they're a tad bit too afraid. I think a nice starting point would be to recruit infantry from Poland and the Baltics, to help patrol the peaceful border regions of Ukraine to relieve Ukrainian forces there. Trannysistria and the western half are completely "safe" and no one will die, but you need men with guns to stand around there to ensure no one can attack it.

That would relieve tens of thousands of Ukrainian forces to fight int he actual war, boosting numbers.

Next is Taurus and other long range cruise missiles. Just rain down hell on the Russians and Russian positions inside Russia and let the Ukrainian home made missiles handle the smaller stuff.

>>64098460
Larpin no! he's of belgorod fame!

>check this month's achievements of the supposed tide
>it's the conquest of the illustrious hamlet of Bamfakskiy (2014 population: 63, mostly swineherders) a stone's throw away from the prewar Donbabwe and Luganda border, first mentioned in the news two years ago when entire battalions of Wagnerites were sacrificed to hold a mill on the outskirts, a crucial strategic victory to ensure a steady grain supply for the local Russian army group's dwindling moonshine vodka reserves

>>64098935
The thing is that caution is stretching the war out. Russia obviously can't win, but they're still there and can't be dislodged. paradoxically a Persian gulf situation would have resulted in like 1/4 of the casualties for Russia than the current situation.

It's not their war, so it's easy for Europe to just sit back and do nothing. It's not necessarily evil or malicious they're kind of just paralyzed with inaction and are terrified of doing something crazy that makes the entire situation unstable.

It means that thousands upon thousands of good quality Ukrainian soldiers and civilians will die needlessly and tons of infrastructure will be destroyed. This just makes it much costlier to rebuild the place. And they kind of need the men since their demographics are SHIT. Everyone is hoping for a post-war boom where the soldiers come back and start boinking their wives.

>>64098485
Z

>>64098455 (OP)
>that failed to reverse the Russian tide?
Hard to "reverse" something that never truly existed in the first place.

>>64098485
no a single unnecessary death

>>64099059
>Z

I actually think the summer offensive isn't going well and Russia can't maintain this tempo along Ukraine's lines. They are making gains but attrition is high and they're getting to the point where even if they take some of these cities by the end of summer, what's behind them is rivers and Russia has fucked the dog on crossing rivers for the past few years.
Russia is in a fairly bad position from what I read, therefore the overtures to freeze the front for the time being.

It's hard to talk about on /k/ with hysteria thoughbeit. I basically haven't made a post in 2 years about the war since it looked like Russia was winning in slow motion. This is the first kind of real change.

>>64098969
So the European powers are dooming the Ukrainians by their inaction (since despite their ingenuity, decisively defeating the Russians is unlikely), while they jerk off about how they staunchly support the righteous Ukrainian causes?
That's pretty evil

>>64099094
youre not fooling anyone zig

>>64099104
>So the European powers are dooming the Ukrainians by their inaction
To what? Ukraine is winning.

>decisively defeating the Russians is unlikely
Russian defeat is practically guaranteed at the rate things are going.

>>64098485
It must be a strategically significant village if they lost the whole brigade taking it.

>>64098455 (OP)
>Is the West ready for mass infantry assaults supported by fpv meta?
>>64098857
>>64098935
>What needs to happen to make them actually join
>>64098935
>>64098950
>>64098969
>>64099104
The latest figleaf of an excuse is that everyone now has to wait until after the end of next week to see just how much monke cock the orange cock goblin will gobble on at Donnie's Big Alaska Summit Adventure and Sex Party. And then there will be another excuse after that one. And so on, and so on.

>it's just so tiresome.jpg

>>64099104
>So the European powers are dooming the Ukrainians by their inaction
Militarily, no, euros are happy to drip feed Ukraine just enough lethal aid to ensure they don't have to worry about becoming monke's next banan. Demographically, yes, but that's all part of the plan - euros are hateful bastards and relish watching their neighbors get terror bombed because:
A. 'Better them than me' mentality
B. Cucked into inaction politically and militarily, those in power don't want their pet politicians catching flak if Russia retaliates
C. They can flood Ukraine with high-interest loans and cheap labor to rebuild after the war
D. More hot slavic women to go around because all their men are dead
The EU is more than happy to use Ukraine as a crumple zone and reap the benefits, since cynically exploiting your neighbor's tragedy is longstanding European tradition.

>>64098857
a full on invasion would probably trigger a nuclear response tho

>>64099211
I don't think it's a plan just they're doing the path of least resistance. They see military aid to ukraine as charity, so they give them what they can spare or what they're phasing out which means periodically drip feeding them aid. Zelenskyy said he wanted 1% of their military hardware to fight the war, and that's probably reasonable. But doctrine and policy says you can't just downgrade the miltary by a few points, it must always be on ready to fight a war.

But who would they fight? Russia! So those weapon systems would be better iN UKRAINE to fight the Russians!

So Euros give Ukraine either old outdated material, or what they can spare from their armies, OR somethign that's fresh off the lines. The fresh materials is great but at such a small rate it can't have a major effect. CV90s are great but there's only a handful in Ukraine. They only send the ones right from the factory rather than stock.

I would say: take a major hit for stock for now, then use the factory built ones to rebuild stock over 10 years.

>>64099227
>a full on invasion would probably trigger a nuclear response tho

King Monkey in his Fuhren bunker would probably trigger a nuclear attack (unclear if they would follow his orders). But Persian Gulf didn't dispose Saddam Huisein at all, merely kicked him out of Kuwait.

A stronger response with air power to assist Ukraine is what I'd be calling for.

Argentia confirmed for white.

>>64098935
the only way this war end is either with a cease fire on the current lines or russian crumble internally
there is no way to move the front line without insane losses, the mines + fpv spam is just ridiculous now
every trench/static war in history has ended because one side crumbled under internal pressure

>>64099280
Is Russian collapse actually likely? They don't send Muscovites, they send some mystery meat people from shitholes that the average westerner never heard about.

>>64099317
>Is Russian collapse actually likely?
probably not anymore, putin did purged a lot, since the pregozin run to moscow
russian are to much of slaves to rise on their own without someone taking the lead

>>64099094
>Russia can't maintain this tempo along Ukraine's lines
They've been maintaining it for 2 years already, not sure why they can't keep it up as long as they can keep Moscow and St Leningrad from revolting.

>>64099264
https://files.catbox.moe/3o954m.webm
Always has been.

>>64099370
Because they're running out of money, or at the very least things have reached the point that Putin is forced to admit IN PUBLIC that Russian banks are in trouble.

>>64099094
>It's hard to talk about on /k/ with hysteria thoughbeit. I basically haven't made a post in 2 years about the war since it looked like Russia was winning in slow motion. This is the first kind of real change.

>winning in slow motion

The only way you can think this in good faith is if you've generally not been paying attention. There's no way Russia would be able to sustain this war for the amount of time it would take for their slow progress to add up to a victory. It would take decades.

>>64099411
There's a lot of ruin in a nation. I still don't see that Russia is anywhere near the end point, compare their condition with Germany and Austria-Hungary ca late 1918 or Italy and Germany ca 1943.

>>64098606
Very random that they picked a Greek general instead of a burger/French/Bong one.

RA2 and 3 got it right with Carville and Bingham but Von Esling was kino.

>>64099451
what's your points of comparison?

>>64098857
>followed by armor and infantry to occupy not to fight.
What the fuck is with this fake distinction

>>64098606
Why was this game so fucking comfy?

>>64099317
>Is Russian collapse actually likely?

Not for military reasons. The economy broke the USSR because it was run by Russians who proceeded to loot the wreckage.

However the longer Rusnigs bleed the worse for their demographics. Russia should be exterminated as no version of it was ever good, but only Russians can do that by not breeding. There is no advantage to reproducing which just increases poverty.

>>64099417
To turn that around the only way you could think this is if you believe Ukraine itself immune to attrition. That it has no looming, however far away, failure point.
The calculus for this conflict since Putin doubled down (I really just mean here when he decided to keep going after the SMO had obviously failed) and since Russia proved it can slowly grind forward has been:
Will the Ukrainian war footing outlast the Russian war footing or vice versa. Think Germany throwing in the towel in 1918.

Right now I personally believe the Russian war footing is showing novel cracks (and Putin is disingenuously buying time) but please understand the win condition for Russia is not spending 15 years getting to the Dnieper. Strategically why the west dumps money/material into Ukraine is because it allays threats to their war footing on economic grounds, it narrows Ukraine's issue to one of manpower. Therefore Ukraine's fortified cities and defense in depth are its posture for this reason, they're manpower multipliers.
On the other hand /k/'s seen enough kill vids to know Russia is just absorbing manpower loses with little regard, and the primary threat to Russia is an economic inability to maintain their war footing. The subsidization of Ukraine, the defensive posture of Ukraine, and the sanction of Russia have a synergistic effect aimed at buttressing Ukraine's war footing and knee-capping Russia's.

>>64098857
ha ha, very funny anon.
France and Germany are both full of russophiles who do not see Russia as a threat the same way Baltics and Poland does.
More like a temporarily embarrassed regional partner.

>>64098455 (OP)
>russian tide
>stuck on donkes in the muds of donbawe
>still occupy way, WAY less clay then they did three years ago

god you cockroaches are so pathetic its not even funny

>>64098455 (OP)
>tide
there is no tide and lying on the internet won't make one

tides move, the front is stalled.

>>64099451
your types were saying the same about assad right until the point he ran with his tail between his legs to moscow in fear of allahus on hiluxes

only things theses shitpile tyrants excel at are propaganda and censorship. Welding the boiling pot tightly lit so on the outside everything seems calm and completely fine. monkes economy is fucked up in all the worst kind there is and the war payment sugar high stemming from the national piggy bank is also running dry. Going forward him and his merry band of bandits either have to go full northest of koreas or embrace for the hard crash recession already creeping in. Coal mines are already bankrupt and real estate is on its death throes to name a few

barring outside interference, of course, like agent orange finds a way to bail him out with some gigaloan or removing majority of sanctions or returning frozen assets or shit like that

>>64100006
>removing majority of sanctions or returning frozen assets or shit like that
The problem there is that the Russians were wary of putting their assets in American banks and put them in European ones instead. Trump has no say in the release of those assets. Same thing applies to sanctions; the ones that bite Russia the hardest are applied by Europe rather than America.

>>64099981
> the front is stalled
Le cope.

>>64098455 (OP)
"Tide" in in this context is supposed to mean "relentless" and "inevitable" and not "a few feet's difference per day"

>>64098606
>>64099475
It's even odder considering you play as Greece in the Campaign

>>64100014
This is a good point to remember. The US is an oil and gas exporter, largest (oil) and, until russia went full tard hammer, second largest (gas) producer in the world. American refineries don't touch any Ural crude. They're setup to process heavy and sour crap into fuel because it keeps end consumer price down and the oil companies make a premium exporting or refining US produced light, sweet crude into more advanced petrochems.

>>64099370
>They've been maintaining it for 2 years
Anon, Russian armor is critically endangered bordering on extinct at the front. The only thing they've been maintaining is their utterly heinous casualty ratio.

>>64100903
Which they've been doing for years now, with no signs of slowing down.

>>64100932
>with no signs of slowing down
APCs were replaced with golf carts which were replaced with motorcycles which were replaced with fucking donkeys. I shouldn't have to explain to you that this progression does not bode well for the future of Russia's offensive capabilities.

>>64100942
And yet they're still not slowing down.

>>64100954
They have though. Massively. Their advances used to be measured in square kilometres, but now they're measured in square meters.

>>64100954
They still have not captured Luhansk and Donbas after three years of fighting. They spend 8-12 months fighting for empty fields between minor cities then another 8-12 months taking that minor city, levelling it in the process, all while sustaining wildly disproportionate casualties. If that 14 to 1 ratio is to be believed, they're losing men at more than four times the rate expected of an attacking army, and that isn't even accounting for their equipment losses.

>>64100942
> (loud memes chanting)

>>64101011
Maybe Trump will give us remaining parts without fight. For a nobel avard of "peace keeper" he wants so much. A fair deal.

>>64099928
Funny you say that, since that's literally how trump's America has been treating them.

>>64101020
>us
You're not a Russian, pajeet

>>64099227
Russia doesnt have functioning nooks

>>64100025
just look at a map and seethe

>>64101259
I'm going to tell you something you should have already figured out for the sake of others who might be reading this. Any sort of homegrown pro Russian sentiment vis a vis Ukraine you might be seeing has a lot to do with the way Europeans, especially Western Europeans talk to Americans. Please treat your friends and partners like friends and partners if you don't want them to think there might be better alternatives.

>>64101681
It also has a lot to do with the fact that Russians have infiltrated American populist media space.

>>64101694
The gripe I'm describing is older than the Soviet Union. Please dial it back. Do your part to stop them from exploiting rifts by not reinforcing rifts.

>>64099104
>why isn't someone else that isn't me doing something about some other fags killing each other somewhere, wow so evil
literal reddit

>>64101705
>The reason why Americans think Russia is based & trad instead of Soviet shithole is because Western Europeans call yanks retarded online
just lol

>>64100006
>your types were saying the same about assad right until
so 14 fucking years

>>64101681
Don't threaten annexation of allied countries territory then or draft up invasion laws and plans to protect american war criminals then, *you* arrogant nigger.
Please treat your friends and partners like friends and partners if you don't want them to think there might be better alternatives.

>>64101717
Europeans condescend to us in official capacity as well. European citizens act retarded towards Americans in person. European leadership uses America as a scapegoat for domestic and foreign problems to prevent citizens from asking them hard questions. It is exceedingly tiresome.

>>64098455 (OP)
Russia's current strategy is to hope Trump makes Zelensky agree to surrendering Donbass and Crimea.
I'd bet putin won't even show up in person

>>64101722
Nice confirmation bias and victimhood complex at work

>>64099211
>Demographically, yes, but that's all part of the plan - euros are hateful bastards and relish watching their neighbors get terror bombed because:
It's not that deep - yes, there are loud ziggers in nearly every country who do that, but they're mostly literal Russians. It's just a failing of democracy in that if the voting cattle want peace and not to defend themselves, you have to give them that or be voted out.

>>64098606
>>64099621
>Why was this game so fucking comfy?

It was back when game studios consisted of nerds who wanted people to have fun instead of angry feminists and ideologues whose reins are held by a board of directors with shareholder value line go up as the one and only imperative.
I can't even imagine someone pitching having fully acted cutscenes as a story backdrop for a RTS game today. It was a completely different time.

>>64099094
Their Summer offensive gains make WW1 look like a war of manuvouer, its clear they don't have the reasources to expoilt a breakthrough even if they can make one (they can't)
The best actual hope is for the US to freeze support again and force Zelensky to concede ground again, but Europe isn't backing that plan and Zelensky knows that Russian will simply reorganise and attack again in the future so won't agree to it. Russia really needs to find an out, but they won't anything they cant claim as a total victory over the Nazi Holhol Banderite HATO scum. Even getting all of Donbas, Lunhansk and Crimea is an embarrassment for them when you look at the cost in men and materials.

>>64101741
Just don't be an asshole all the time. That's all I'm asking.

>>64101742
sounds like russia would be more your style.

>>64098460
>>64098958
nafotroouns would NAVER understand.
A MAN's MAN.
A GENERAL's GENERAL,,,,
SHOULD ALWAYS LEAD FROM THE FRONT
, AND HE DOES,
.

>>64101750
Maybe don't draft plans to invade an alliance partner, publicize plans to shield war criminals in the event that you do invade the alliance partner, start an intra-alliance trade war, peddle various lies about Europe, and claim that all your societal ills are because of those goshdarn Yuropoors if you don't want to be called retarded

>>64101769
>intra-alliance trade war
You and I both know that trade reform was due sooner or later.

>>64101752
I like democracy though, it just produces retarded results sometimes

>>64101783
>“all I know is that I know nothing.”

>>64099317
>Is Russian collapse actually likely
Economically, they're like someone who the doctor told to "get his affairs in order". They've got about a year or two left in the tank from the looks of it (completely unpredictable as they are no longer publishing any economic data).

Militarily, their tanks and artillery are rated "Threatened" to "Extinct In The Wild" by the WWF. They use donkeys for logistics and scooters and unicycles for zerg rushes. Make of that what you will.

Demographically, well, in the long run all countries die, but russia will be dead a little sooner. (Press S)

Keep in mind that all collapses are exponential: everything is perfectly fine until 2 seconds before the floor drops out.

>>64099475
Carville was actually in the addon of RA1, too.