Thread 64100420

>>64100420 (OP)
1 fired on its own story may or may not have collapsed, now go ahead and explain the other 3 thousand, siggers

>>64100433
>Guy shoots himself unholstering his P320
>I-it was totally the gun's fault go-guys! I definitely didn't pull the trigger

>>64100433
>>64100473
these but also the intrigue of that incident increase one iota. give me more slop drama

>>64100473
>guy shoots the ground(luckily not his femoral artery)with his hands nowhere near holster
>"NDS HAPPEN GOY ITS YOUR FAULT WE ARE NOT LIABLE THE COHENCIDENCES ARE JUST COINCIDENCES"
>some guy gets paid a few rupees to shill online

>>64100420 (OP)
This guy is sponsored by Sig, FYI. Like they literally sponsor him and he's up front about it.

>>64100420 (OP)
Sigsters, we're finally back!

>>64100420 (OP)
I hate this ugly bug-eyed nigger

>>64100420 (OP)
A lot of money exchanged hands for this.

>>64100420 (OP)
Holy fuck he's still making videos? I would have thought he'd be run off by now.

>>64100420 (OP)
Well hey, if gun nigger says so, it must be true!

>>64100420 (OP)
>siggers when the story breaks: THIS IS JUST AN INVESTIGATION IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CONCLUSION
>siggers when an arrest is made, not a conviction: COMPLETELY VINDICATED, SIG IS COMPLETELY CLEARED OF ALL ACCUSATIONS NOW, FOREVER AND RETROACTIVELY!!!

>>64101105
cope

>>64100420 (OP)
Our military is a joke, glad I cant join.

So this is just gonna be military version of he Epstein files now and sweeped under the rug to get memory holed too innit

>>64101297
>military version
>cohen
Its just the epstein files, not the version of

>>64100420 (OP)
>Colyin

>>64100420 (OP)
>Colon nigger

>>64100420 (OP)
why is he black

god damn people really will choose headcsnon over reality just because they can find a few anonymous people online who agree with them

>>64102194
see >>64101239

>>64100420 (OP)
This dude on Reddit must feel amazing now that he can rub everyone’s faces in it.

>>64100420 (OP)
>see black person on thumbnail
>click "do not recomment this channel to me ever again"
I've been doing this for years now

>>64102384

>I've been doing this for years now

MeToo
Recommend restarts after some time with same nigger videos.

I'm just not gonna buy a sig

>>64102609
Ok.

Faggottripp and his ilk along with his simps are on suicide watch.

>>64102384
Same. And not just nigs, but other undesireables too. Basedboys, trannies, jews, spics, chinks, commies, etc

>>64100420 (OP)
Sigger vs Glock sucker

>>64100420 (OP)
Literally who cares just buy a gen 3 glock 19

>>64100420 (OP)
>gun with known problems goes off on its own
>kills someone
>egg on face of major contractor
>people get thrown under the bus to save face
Yeah, I'm sure the JAG who is investigating this case didn't get a phone call.

>>64103096
This forced meme is gay af, gen 3 Glock was mid, gen 4 was bad, gen 5 is the goat because it has a better trigger and more reliable ejection(slide/ejector changes)

>>64100420 (OP)
NOTHING IS OVER! NOTHING! You don't turn the p320 off!

>>64100420 (OP)

My gfs dad let me shoot hos sig. Wish I remembered the model but I really enjoyed it, slide wasnt too stiff to rack. Sucks about all this stuff.

>>64100420 (OP)
So that Reddit post on the day of about how it was someone else shooting his friend was actually right? Lol

>>64101111
Why?

>>64103150
And for the first time, with gen 5, I don’t hate the look of the gun. Idk what it is but it looks less blocky. Maybe it’s the front slide serrations and/or holstering cut or whatever it’s called.

>>64103150
That’s 11.5 PSA guy. He has autism and his special interests are the 11.5 PSA and gen 3 Glock 19. Please be patient, he means well.

>>64103150
>gen 4 was bad
why? I like mine.

>>64103096
Gen 3 glock 19 til Kingdom Come, brother

>>64101046
(You) hate an attorney that fights for Second Amendment rights when billions of $$$$$$$ are being spent rn this second to take it away in a dozen states violating the Constitution?

>>64103167
kek

>>64100984
ITP: LIES

>>64106264
Yes

>>64100420 (OP)
oh lord these youtube shill like that coon are retarded and will say anything if the check clears.

>>64106264
he does NOTHING for gun rights besides barely read off a card and make oddly sexual in a black way descriptions of guns.

>>64102384
There has never been a more real comment than this

>>64104418
>11.5 PSA
Is he the guy who keeps suggesting that a 300 dollar PSA AR is all you need on here? There is literally a 1:1 correlation with retards saying that on here and comments talking about how the AR isn't that reliable

>>64100420 (OP)
Sauerfrican-American brothas we just can't stop winning

>>64109335
Yeah. I’m Not sure what’s so special (in his mind) about an 11.5 PSA though. I’m sure it’s a fine rifle, it’s just an oddly specific make and model lol.

>>64104100
nta but his knowledge of firearms comes off as shallow. I don’t think he’s as autistic as actual gun nerds. He makes cleaned up content for normies and is not at all shy about capitalizing on his influence. I remember when that health insurance ceo was gunned down in nyc, he attempted to act like an sme stating that the shooter didn’t test his setup before the assassination. Which I think is ridiculous since he was immediately racking the slide after every shot. He’s not some competition shooter, there’s no way he would know to clear the malfunction that quickly.

>>64102367
Maybe the airman shook the gun at the other dude?

>>64100420 (OP)
I remember when the US military blamed a person for equipment faiure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

>>64106264
still a nigger

>>64113786
rude

Impressive PR twist by SIG, but even if it's true, eventually more people will receive Self-Inflicted-Gunshot wounds. 320P has no functional striker safety so it's not shake or drop safe. The manual safety doesn't work either. No matter how you twist this story, this much is now folklore. Maybe try rebranding it or something?

The anti-sig sentiment is already losing steam. All it took was for one guy to get arrested and now everybody's conviction is shaken.

>>64115468
>The anti-sig sentiment is already losing steam. All it took was for one guy to get arrested and now everybody's conviction is shaken.
t. sig intern

>>64115479
Cope. The energy is quickly dying out

>if we post it many times, P320 will be safe
Good luck saar

>>64115483
Without a hint of irony, yeah kind of. Meme magic

>>64115481
No it isn't, because the energy was there before the shooting. What caused the blow up was actually the Wyoming video.

Why are siggers so violent?

We all know why the glock COA is no longer up for civilian sale. US army or all the police departs are switching to them.

>>64115493
And I'm telling you the energy has changed. You can see people rethinking their stance, even absolute morons. Because nobody wants to be on the side that lets a killer get away.

>>64115495
My PD hasn't been able to order COAs either. Might be international

>>64115498
No, I'm not seeing that. 90% of people didn't even invest heavily into the airman story to begin with because of the nature of ongoing investigations. You're gaslighting. YOU'RE doing what you claim others did by assuming the case is solved because an arrest was made.

What got me to hate the p320 was the Wyoming video, with the airman death being a side show.

>>64115491
>meme magic
Mysticism is a mental illness all too common. Vibes are a shitty substitute for reality, because only one can blow your leg off

>>64115511
You’re fucking joking, right? Trying to downplay the reaction to the airmen stuff isn’t a get-out-of-jackassery free card.

>>64115511
>Wyoming video
The actual nothingburger? Are you low IQ?

>>64113654
>allow a dumbass to run poor condition, ancient batteries overpressure
>blame The Gay Menace for the explosion
>cock up, misdirect, and manhandle all of the investigation every step of the way
Everyone involved in that decision process should have been hanged.

>>64115520
>it's a nothingburger
>stop talking about it!!
Once you hit normietube virality it's impossible to claim it was a nothingburger. Pretending it's the only video is not gonna work either. The internet is full of compilations of P320s going off themselves and people trying to explain why, going back more than 5 years. I personally think this video made after wyoming one explains the problem better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6if3Fno-SQE

>>64115531
oh no i fucked up as bad as the navy did
>>64113668

>>64115537
See, I prefer the ones that are telling the truth
https://youtu.be/r1KoSBcn2bY
https://youtu.be/OaV32HarnRY

>>64115545
>the truth is what my PR needs
P320 is the only pistol in the world with a gaslighting impingement system.
>auto replies with 22 minutes of whataboutism
In your videos they are engaging the trigger safety dingus, which the P320 does not have. Your technique could benefit from attention to detail siggerchan

>>64115562
You're really reaching on this aren't you?

>>64115519
Not even joking. What made this p320 thing blow up was the moist critical reaction to the Wyoming video. He mentions the airman death in passing, but 99% of the reaction is to the Wyoming guy's video.

>>64115562
These are sound, logical explanations and demonstrations of why the test isn't proof of any sort of discharge. Can you explain where in the explanation you disagree?

>>64115571
>Can you explain what's wrong with my proof which proves your proofs prove nothing?
The issue of burden of proof aside, only P320s are having uncommanded discharges in people's holsters, and not glocks.

>>64115537
This is a good explanation. In addition this I've seen others which demonstrate that the internal safety mechanisms all disengage as soon as any light pressure is applied to the trigger. So basically we've got a gun that was unintentionally designed to be able to go off without a deliberate trigger pull. Ironically, it was done to improve the feel of the trigger.

>>64115584
>Ironically, it was done to improve the feel of the trigger.
Yeah it doesn't feel good to get shot by the trigger

>>64115583
Cool deflection bro

>>64115584
That exact property is also demonstrated on Glock in the posted videos. People were even shit talking a guy who competes with Glocks because he demonstrated that the safeties are disengaged during the take-up. You guys do not know how your guns work.

>>64115593
>you HAVE to prove my proofs wrong
No, but a carry gun must be drop and shake safe.

have this also i do not care for siggers

>>64115597
>You guys do not know how your guns work.
More like SIG forgot how guns are supposed to work

>>64115598
That's cool and all, but irrelevant. I'm talking about the Wyoming test not proving anything related to discharges, and I provided evidence. If you want to keep shrieking like a monkey go ahead.

>>64115603
I'm willing to accept that you're not educated on this topic.

>>64103150
>>64104423
>gen 4 bad
What ?

>>64115610
>I'm not the one burying my head in the sand.
Are you sure about that? The glock videos just show that glocks fire when the trigger is pulled all the way. Meanwhile, the p320 is able to go off with the lightest touch and a bit of slide pressure. It's a terribly unsafe design.

>>64115664
In addition to your editorializing, you didn't actually pay attention because the trigger pull was actually measured to the same values given in the original test. I'm not sure how you could even make that mistake unless you aren't listening or looking at the calipers, or perhaps have a child like intelligence and think a thicker trigger means that it is moving more.

>>64115696
With the p320, the gun turns into nitroglycerine with just 1mm of wall depression.

>>64115494
sus

>>64115537
The "problem" Wyoming soiboy found is actually with all striker fired pistols

>>64115598
>we told our customers to keep the pistol unloaded, so we are absolved of any responsibility.
Jesus. What use is a gun that has to be carried on an empty chamber?

>>64115583
>holster your gun
>it goes bang
yeah, because you shot yourself

>>64115630
All Glonks are shit, sorry

>>64116140
cope

>>64116176
Yeah, that's why this is only happening to one model of pistol. Look man, this "all strikers are just as bad" thing isn't taking off. The actual truth has already reached escape velocity. People are tired of Sig and how they're handling this. They need to fix it.

>>64115584
>pull trigger
>gun fires
wow
>>64115597
Glocktards have been malding over Sig eight years now. There's no point in trying to reason with them. They're too busy slurping horse cum to listen to reason.

>>64116432
There may be a different problem with the p320, but the one he found isn't it

>>64115440
320p is outdated old man, 1080p is the lowest quality I’ll tolerate.

>>64115440
Honestly the manual safety design is typical of striker fired guns. Every striker fired manual safety gun currently produced uses a safety that just blocks trigger bar movement afaik and I have done a bit of research on that. While the FPB should work from a design perspective it's clear that in reality there is some sort of failure going on there, if it was a standard plunger style with proper QC/QA and generous engagement with the striker then I'm sure we wouldn't be seeing this problem at all. The real problem seems to be some combination of shitty QC/QA on parts, tolerance stacking, rolling design changes, and some weird inertial loading being needed to actually make that all align and cause an AD. That's why it's so hard to reproduce, figuring out what exact Konami code of jostling is right to make things go off is a lot easier said then done. It could be something goofy like being pointed muzzle down not quite perpendicularly, jostling the thing up and down for a few minutes while the frame is held fast but not the slide, then smacking the side of the frame firmly all in the right order. Something that would be very hard to repeat with a testing rig but would happen rarely when actually carried in a proper retention holster, add in the right grab bag of parts and boom.

>>64116479
I need an edit of this with the two dudes making that face with the onions chicken

>>64100420 (OP)
Airman arrested for falsifying a report, not for homicide
He didn't pull the trigger

>>64116890
Unintentional manslaughter requires gross negligence. It means he was playing with the thing unholstered but is claiming that it "just went off" and was "totally an accident bro"

>>64100420 (OP)
I don't understand this guy he just walks around a junkyard randomly firing off shots at tires in between hot takes about how cool a gun is.

>>64116925
The gross negligence was being in proximity to a p320

>>64115562
>gaslighting impingement system
heh

So ummm why not just admit it's a flawed product and do a recall already? How many more people need to die or be seriously injured before they swallow their pride?

>>64116952
^ This, >>64116925
Being near those things is basically on par to walking around in a mine field. Sure you might not die the first for second time but you really are tempting fate if you do it at all period.

>>64100433
>3 thousand
You mean 100.
97 of them are blatant NDs, and the majority of those are all pursued by the SAME JEWISH LAWYER. About 3 of them are unexplained.

we have the webm's though.

>>64117104
Moar, also what kind of garbage shit holster was he using?

>>64100473
Okay, let's say that I believe you for a moment. How do you explain the disproportionately higher number of incidents of siggers shooting themselves?

>>64116952
>>64117070
Is this the new forced meme? It's particularly retarded, that wouldn't constitute criminal negligence in that situation as it was an issued firearm. I've yet to see any proof of the claim that having a p320 constitutes negligence. Something that you can and no doubt will provide by citing the court case in question

>>64100420 (OP)
Holy fuck ziggermutts are pathetic, can't wait till you all get killed by your own gun LMAOOO

>>64117349
Kek we won't even have to dronerape them, they'll all have killed themselves

>>64117104
>clearly pulls trigger while grabbing it
>OMG IT JUST WENT OFF ITS OWN

>>64117349
>posts the same picture and retarded ramblings in every sig thread
literal 90 iq nigger

>>64117413
>a literal vantablackskin mutt abomination is calling me a nigger

>>64117278
>is this le new forced maymay
Yeah man, idk if youve been under a rock or what but p320's are unsafe pieces of indian shit

>>64117413
>t.schoolshooting babykilling obese amerigolem

noguns need not reply
>>>/pol/

>64117349
>uses azov-chan without the swastika tattoo
Confirmed turdworld faggot.

>>64117349
>tranime
>war tourist slop
>reee burgers
most retarded post award

>>64117104
holy shit I'm dying over here

>>64117278
>I've yet to see any proof of the claim that having a p320 constitutes negligence. Something that you can and no doubt will provide by citing the court case in question
See >>64064474 (1:22-cv-11674)
>the defendants voluntary and unreasonable use of the p320 despite knowing it was defective and dangerous is what led to his injury

All of the attention led to independent researchers finding the striker block safety in p320s is an unreliable design that is intolerant of wear and loose tolerance, so no, the fired on its own story didn't collapse

It developed a solid foundation of scientific proof and now this is literally on the books, paramount to law
>>the defendants voluntary and unreasonable use of the p320 despite knowing it was defective and dangerous is what led to his injury
all future p320 U.D. cases that go to US courts will reference this finding.

A P320 is a liability. No one will ever carry one again.

>>64116176
No, not really. Like the "retort" involved a guy pulling triggers TO THE BREAK with a vice, then wiggling the vice and blaming the gun.

>>64118263
>No one will ever carry one again.
You're underestimating siggers

>>64118263
>>64118280
I can’t wait until they become really cheap

>>64118263
You didn't read the case or you're illiterate. The "defect" was a lack of an external safety lever on his model.

>>64118272
How do you explain the cases of it being replicated by copying the measurements of the original video?

>>64118721
>How do you explain the cases of it being replicated by copying the measurements of the original video?
There aren't any.

>>64118777
See
>>64115545
Both of them explicitly do 1mm into the wall. Neither of these guys even like Sig, it's just about intellectual honesty

>>64115584
>Ironically, it was done to improve the feel of the trigger.
That still feels like mushy dog shit.

>>64100420 (OP)
Taurusbros laughing.
Taurus is cheaper and safer.

Taurus > Sig.

>>64118784
>1mm into the wall
>1mm from it's equilibrium position
Look man, I know you've convinced yourself that you're the only rational intellectual in the room, but if you wanna be taken seriously observe that the glock trigger must be moved beyond the limits of the TRIGGER SAFETY defeat the striker safety. By design, 1 mm within the wall in a glock is beyond the trigger safety (duh!). In the case of P320, lacking a trigger safety and the wall 1 mm away, even the trigger's own inertia is enough to defeat the striker safety, and when combined with sig saar manufacturing tolerances, P320 striker safety can be trivially defeated without a deliberate trigger pull. Just make sure you carry YOUR P320 loaded and pointed directly at your balls at all times, since you wouldn't worry about it

>>64115481
>on first name basis with lgs owner
>tells me 320 sales have fallen off a cliff.
>a 2 years ago they were the go-to glock alternative

Nta, but i think you’re the one coping.

>>64102723
Why, are they suddenly carrying a P320 on them?

>>64115498
The p320 does not have a reliable trigger safety

loss of spring tension causes it to disengage with inertia and the entire gun is so poorly made that the striker can slip entirely off the sear if it's simply not brand new

>>64100420 (OP)
>>64100420 (OP)
that untrustworthy complexion says all i need to know about this paid shill

>>64115468
>>64115481
>implying
This you?

>>64115571
>>64115610
>>64115597
The tests are proof because it shows how easily a P320 can fire. 1mm of travel past the wall and a squeeze or bump is enough. Other striker pistols like glocks may fire the same, but only after going through more hurdles than a P320 can provide, like a trigger blade safety or manuals safety. Siggers always breathing the glock man's air

>>64119157
fixed

>>64119164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYdTpfM0Hpc
der

>>64119166
the triger is pulled almost all of the way back

p320s have fired in holsters when jostled firmly

>>64116176
Why are P320s going off so much then? Shouldn't all strikers go off equally as much?

>>64116479
Course it is, because there's little in the way to stop a P320 from going through it. Funny enough the nigs at sig designed a trigger dingus but clearly never used it.

https://youtu.be/m-jCUT_2H0k?t=37
It happened again!

>>64119158
>>64119120
>>64118974
Really? The trigger dingus? The thing constantly being accidentally disengaged to the point where it's a training issue? Bro I'm not even saying the 320 is safe but like you are saying some wild Fanboy shit

>>64119174
It's literally pulled the same amount, the trigger shoe is just thicker. This is like the shit where a kid thinks a taller glass has more water in it.

>>64119205
And this has what to do with p320s going off without any manipulation of the trigger?

>>64119194
No, the trigger actuated dingus inside of the gun that stops the striker from slamming forward if other safeties fail (ie: because of indian manufacturing tolerances). It simply does not work unless sig provides brand new cherry picked guns. Otherwise it fails intermittently.

The p320 self-desafes if the sear disengages
https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/comments/1gwos5l/discharging_a_p320_by_depressing_the_sear_moving/
This design flaw + indian-made parts = sporadic sear-disengagements due to physical shock cause the gun to fire

if it were any other manufacturer this gun would have been dropped forever upon release.

>>64119190
Funy enough that was probably the first videotaped sigcident.

>>64119205
>the red herring test tho!
alas real world has p320s firing in holsters and glocks firing only with trigger manipulation
watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_30DVjmaJs

>>64119220
Look bro, the claim made was that the trigger blade safety means the fact that the Glock will fail the same Wyoming test at the same amount of pull is irrelevant. I argue that's an unrealistic claim because the trigger blade safety is known to be unreliable. It's been known for decades with thousands of incidents of it being defeated by anything from a piece of clothing to a bit of dirt. You are trained to not trust it

>>64119231
>the red herring test tho!
alas real world has p320s firing in holsters and glocks firing only with trigger manipulation
watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_30DVjmaJs
>what about glocks!
they fire with trigger manipulation and yanking on slides yes
sigs fire on their own
the trigger actuated striker block actuates itself
watch the video

>>64119232
Dude, what are you even trying to argue at this point? The 320 has issues, I think pretty much everybody in here said that. The issue was that none of these garage examinations have actually been able to explain any of the recorded incidents. Do you want me to accept on faith alone that this guy figured it out and it's correct?

>>64119237
anon, watch the video and stop wasting your time defending a shitty gun company's jewish decisions.

its not like actual good guns (DA/SA, glocks) are going away because sig is ran by idiots

>>64119194
Yes, one more obstacle to defeat before the trigger is pulled. Something a Poop320 lacks. The fact that JaredAF had to depress it on a glock before conducting the rest of the squeeze test means the test is invalid. As the Wyoming gun channel did not involve that action, that was something extra JaredAF had to do, which only proves that any striker with a dingus at minimum is inherently safer than a P320. Which explains why of all striker guns, only the P320s go off so often

>>64119231
An unreliable trigger dingus > no dingus
You dingus
What defeats a glock will defeat a P320 more easily

>>64119238
I've seen this video before dumbass. You'll also know that this guy openly admits that he does not have proof of his theories. Which even got people calling him a sig shill, so again, can you explain to me what exactly it is you want me to accept on faith alone?

>>64119242
The entire reason the guy stuck a screw into the 320 in the first place was to "simulate an obstruction". Fucking idiot

>>64119244
He states a lot of legal disclaimers
His theories are demonstrated in real time.

Why do you waste your time defending a shitty gun made by a shitty company headed up by a member of an anti-gun tribe?

>>64119247
Why the fuck do you think I'm defending them? Because I don't accept every half baked theory as truth? Am I just supposed to turn my brain off?

if there was even a 1% chance the p320 was poorly designed and didnt stay safe in the long term i'd dump it instead of fanboying sig personally

its an ugly striker gun anyways and sig is already shit no great loss

>>64119253
You apparently do when reminded that P320s keep going off in holsters.
>surely everyone is lying
>just about this gun
>it's a conspiracy against sig
or the jew ran corporate shitshow using indian manufacturing, also used indian engineers :o

>>64119258
So what you're saying is I'm supposed to accept every negative opinion as true because this is the company to shit on this moment?

So why did the military need the gun to be "modular" when no one will ever get to actually customize their own pistol to their own fit?

>>64119260
Actually let me be fucking clear before you say some more nonsense about it. I am not defending the company, or this gun. I do think the 320 is defective, and my suspicion is it's mainly because of low quality parts but I have no evidence to back that up. What I'm not going to do is agree with something I know is wrong or unproven just because it paints the company and the gun in a worse light. The 320 can be a bad gun, Sig can be a bad company, and these can be bad experiments and wrong ideas all at the same time.

>>64119246
Right, which must defeat the trigger safety and trigger on most striker pistols, yet only the trigger on a P320. Proving my point, fucking retard.

>>64119269
What exactly is bad or wrong about these experiments? They only highlight how different the P320 wants to be from the rest of the competition. And how they're paying the price for it.

>>64119267
for cheaper goods, if you can make a multi caliber gun run the same internals, then it would be less difficult to find replacements for parts, they tried to build a "universal" car and failed. Now they are passing the buck to any poor chump that gets in the relative killzone of their defective product

>>64119274
Are you for real? Like, be honest, are you just kind of fucking around at this moment? Do you need to get your lead levels checked or something? Do you not see where this doesn't really help you?

>>64116196
>laughs nervously in CZ 52 and Tokarev clones

>>64119288
Who under the contract was ever going to use a different caliber?

>>64119291
Are you? Don't tell me you are genuinely retarded? How hard is it to understand it is easier to cause a P320 to fire because it lacks basic safeties?

Show me all the other striker guns that go off by themselves in holsters as much as P320s do. Hell even outside a holster is fine. If all strikers are equally vulnerable then they should all be autofiring. But they aren't.

>>64119298
Fucking gold

despite all of this, I am still keeping mine, kmowing the risk of it, I never treat anything intended to be dangerous carelessly as people in a non dangerous situation going about having a non safety, loaded boomstick, if I don't have it drawn I expect to not have John wick resction time to be in control of anything I carry unless it is in my hands aimed at the intended direction, I could not care less for people not thinking that something so dangerous could go off being that it has near zero safeties on the non manual ones

‘Story just collapsed’ wait until more people die because sig can’t create a good pistol for the life of them

>>64119260
>Negative opinion
I see you didn't watch the video

The defective mechanics of the p320 are exhibited and tested extensively, and then modified so they are no longer defective.

As it is, some of them can pull their own triggers when jostled just right

>>64119302
ask the military, i have the same google you do

>>64119285
Well, for starters the Wyoming test illustrated his lack of understanding of striker pistols in general, which is a frightening trend with a ton of these "discoveries". There's also a ton of fear mongering over sympathetic movement in general, which virtually every firearm has. On a larger level, you find a ton of guys just pushing and prodding until something falls out and then imagining a scenario in which it's bad. There's some good science in there, but a fuck ton is Dunning Kruger as fuck.

>>64119305
Nigger, you do not have to repeat your holster shit every post. What I'm saying is that basically anything that's gonna obstruct a 320 trigger is more than likely gonna defeat the blade safety. See the past 40 years of the blade safety being casually defeated

>>64119307
i never bought one because 1: they're ugly 2: another fucking safetyless plastic striker gun

>>64118263
>No one will ever carry one again
No one? You sure?
Give it 5-10 years and /k/ will do a complete 180 on the piece of shit
>the general public was too stupid to carry a p320
>it's a tactical gun for serious operators only
>indian manufacturing keep replacement parts costs down plus tradwifes family is from india

>>64119320
Glocks go off when reholstering
Sigs go off while resting in holsters

> "Explain to me how a gun goes off getting out of the car?"
>Image of officer in passenger window shows nothing "got in' his holster.

>>64119327
Do you only talk in prepared quips?

>>64119336
>stop mentioning reality! i'm trying to debate semantics and red herrings here!

The story has collapsed the same way that "it ended that day", until the next monthly occurrence of Self Inflicted Gunshot

>>64119310
The guy can't even dupe the FBI's findings, so forgive me if I don't take him seriously

>>64119325
5 years? jow about 5 minutes? keeping mine. pointed away, god i hope whoever tries to approch me running gets auto deleted by P320 new auto self defense tm*

>>64119338
>"No, stop being on topic! I'm trying to have my mic drop!"
Look, we can both do this or you can realize I'm not defending Sig or the 320. I'm just also not gonna make stupid claims to try to dunk on them

>>64119231
>new goalpost: trigger safety never works for any gun!
Time to stop posting my sigger, I argue you should carry a sig with a round in the chamber every day for the rest of days, that may just convince me the p320 is 100% safe for retards to carry it

>>64119347
You are so caught up in this being tribal when I also think the gun is fucking shit. The 320 is shit, but vlade safeties are mostly a placebo and you fucking know it

>>64119320
>his lack of understanding of striker pistols in general
Which is?

>a ton of fear mongering over sympathetic movement in general, which virtually every firearm has
Enough to cause it to fire though?

>Nigger, you do not have to repeat your holster shit every post
Nigger I wouldn't have to repeat the holster shit if you understood it.

>more than likely gonna defeat the blade safety
Still one more fucking thing to do, dumbass, and thats ignoring all the other safety features that may be there

>>64119353
>blade safeties are mostly a placebo
They're categorically not. It prevents the trigger from moving under its own inertia without positive contact on the trigger surface.Them being the industry standard is the proof of your irrationality.

>>64119336
>>64119345
Where's the lie?

>>64119353
Sigga please

>>64119362
Even though I've said it like five times now, what do you think my position actually is? I feel like you're arguing against something I'm not saying

>>64119369
Have I entered bizarro world or something where blade safeties haven't been casually disengaged by literally everything for decades? They are so trivially easy to disengage that I can't imagine somebody in good faith saying that they are a real protection.

>>64119374
I think you're trying to say
>t-t-they ALL do that!!
When they don't. Or when people must go through more effort with other guns than with a P320 to have them do that.

>>64119377
You fail to realize it's not always necessary for an object to pull the trigger. I just posted a gif of a P320 trigger being pulled by inertia, no obstruction necessary. The lack of a trigger safety does not fucking help, inexcusable especially when it would have prevented that from happening entirely. It was even designed to have one but was left out, and now they're eating crow.

>>64119377
>They are so trivially easy to disengage that I can't imagine somebody in good faith saying that they are a real protection.
They are specifically DESIGNED TO BE EASY TO DISENGAGE. It contributes to (drop) safety and that's why it's there. Think sigga think!

>>64119388
>I think you're trying to say
>>t-t-they ALL do that!!
it's great to know that you've been reacting without reading. I'll say it again, I don't like the gun, I don't like the company, I think they are bad, I think the 320 is unsafe. At the same time I'm not going to support unproven theories or statements that I know aren't intellectually honest and/or truthful. I don't know why you are acting as if that means I support any of the things here, it means I don't support bullshit.

>>64119394
>here's our best guesses as to what's going on
>nuh-uh that's not what's happening all guns the same but I'm not a sigger
So what do you think is going on? Why is the 320 unsafe?

>>64119405
I've also already said what I think is going on, but I'll say it again. I suspect low quality parts are the main culprit but again, I don't have the defective pistols to prove that so it's just suspicion. You would have noticed that if you weren't busy fighting me over something I didn't say.

>>64119428
>I suspect low quality parts are the main culprit but again, I don't have the defective pistols to prove that so it's just suspicion
>I'm not saying the problem is how it was designed but how it was executed
>I'm not saying that! I'm not saying this!
Have you considered that bad design decisions can amplify the consequences of sig saar tolerances?

>>64119447
Is your problem that I don't disapprove ENOUGH or something? Do I have to be rabid?

>>64119394
>>64119428
>it's all fake news
>don't trust your lying eyes goyim
Where's the bullshit? You're just flailing your arms, flapping your gums, and handwaving the videos without good reason. Apart from your meaningless denials, the only other counterarguments made here are the videos trying to debunk the Sig Baseder. But they all fail to realize that they highlight just how much had to be done to get other guns to fire.

Nobody said this was the only issue at hand, or even the biggest. It's not even the first replicable test. The FBI figured this squeeze fire issue first before Wyoming did BTW. Feel free to call that bullshit too.

>>64119461
Your problem is that you're dismissing overwhelming evidence to be a contrarian and you're too proud to ever admit you're wrong. You deflect and cope then act like you're just being Mr. Reasonable. But your act is too dumb to be convincing, because trigger safeties work and (some) explanations of how SIG fucked up make sense. Cope.

>>64119469
The videos of Ivan and Jared are definitive proof that it does not take more. That's exactly what they say in their own videos, I don't know why you would make that claim. The FBI report is also not a smoking gun because other parties have not been able to replicate it, including 320s in a Trenchcoat posted to this thread, and the report itself concluded that it could not recreate the scenario in question.

>>64119478
Oh so your problem with me is that I'm not on your side 100%. Get fucked

>>64119461
>>64119494
But it does take more, they had to pull the dingus. The FBI report replicated a striker safety lever failure on the second attempt with a new gun just by straining the slide and frame and tripping the sear. All thats missing is a replicable sear failure test, then put it all together and you have a hole in your leg. Your real problem is handwaving video proof, Siggers are the new pit-mommies. Get fucked up.
>n-nuuuh-uhhhhh!!

>>64119508
The M18 was also modified. The only people who say otherwise are the people unfamiliar with variable testing or who just collects shit for their Sigger folder

>>64119508
>>64119469
>Trusting a story brought to you by Protraband
His last source said he was misrepresenting the facts for his own agenda

>>64119525
>Don't trust your eyes and ears, if you contradict SIG then you're misrepresenting facts
https://practicalshootinginsights.com/the-document-sig-sauer-doesnt-want-you-to-see-about-the-p320/
We'll see how this PR strategy pans out

>>64119537
https://youtu.be/-OGoznkeTbo
This is the source I was talking about, fag

>>64119537
Don't stick up for that fatfuck glockshill.

>>64117453
this

>>64119537
I read it. It's actually more empty sensationalism. Thanks for wasting my time

i hate glocks, but there was nothing wrong with using glocks, sig is trashola

>>64119537
I can see why they might not want this in the public eye, because the scary unredacted info is an incredibly dull and standard corporate document that will nevertheless cause the smooth brains to think they got some damning evidence. The fucking thing lists wrist you accidentally pulling the trigger and killing the wrong guy as a likely risk, and that should tell you what kind of document it is.

Based solely on how heavily curated this thread is, including three of my responses being deleted, I'm starting to become convinced there's a serious problem.

has to be a massive issue, had to have been known about or the 365 wouldn't mysteriously redesign All the known problematic aspects.

Must be a large enough issue to insta-kill sig on the legality side, which is why there is so devoted to the subjective reality of all standardized testings being safe.

>>64119978
Dude, /k/ jannies don't work for Sig. You're probably just stupid

>>64119537
Look, the 320 has safety problems, it does, but this is absolutely nothing. The entire reason this has gone on as long as it has is because stupid faggots like you try to bring this shit in as "evidence" and get laughed off by anyone with the authority to make it count.

>>64119986
I never said they're working FOR SIG.
What retard thinks internet goblins deserve a 401k?

But without litigious SIG has proven to be, it could be something as simple as responding to a letter of intent from lawyers who earn your net worth hourly.

Shrug. Give it like 6 months and we will probably learn the truth.

>>64120006
This is actual schizoid reasoning.

>>64120004
I'm the only reason this is going on so heavily is due to the information blackout by SIG coupled with unannounced and revision numberless internal design changes coupled with being more lawsuit happy than AIPAC and the ADL combined.
Add a dash of lifestyle marketing victims and well paid reputation management firms and you get this shit show.


https://youtu.be/z789IuTQLs8

>>64120019
Oh cool, that's only the 5th time someone posted that clipshow in this thread. It sure changes my mind about that doc being worthless.

>>64120010
You have to be over 18 to post on this board, anon.
Or you've been working at Publix for 20 years.

There's no way to go through a real job without the fun experiences of NDA's and being served. It's literally standard operating procedure.

>>64120028
The schizoid reasoning was that you specifically, in this thread of people shitting on sig, were singled out and had your posts removed. That's literally how schizophrenics think. Go see a doctor.

>>64120019
I care about this as much as I cared about the glocknade compilations back in the day

>>64119177
I don't know, no one really does. But the Wyoming video isn't the reason

>>64120071
Perfect example DESU.
Glock does have less case support than most other guns and it is an edge case.
Redesigned quietly as well.

>>64120145
Yeah, they have taken zero accountability for any of their kabooms as well, even went to court about it. I know it's whataboutism but seriously, same shitty corpo behavior. I just expect it these days

Even if this wasnt sigs fault, the amount of damage that has been done to their brand is some of the worst damage I have seen in a long time.

People are still not going to buy these guns because they've seen everyone talking about the flaws they had in the past and about other suspect incidents.

>>64119267
Makes it less of a headache to order replacement parts instead of slapping new parts onto ancient clapped-out frames (the serialized part) like they always did with M1911s and M9s.

>>64119307
I'm keeping my M17 since I only bought it for ZOGbot range LARPing with a Safariland Level 3 holster anyway. Buying a plastic striker fired piece of shit without a safety and carrying it around pointed at your dick is just tempting the Darwinian forces of nature.

>>64117471
that was an fbi agent too

>>64104423
>>64115630
Zoomer? Gen 4 had tons of issues when they were introduced, particularly brass to face issues and even reliability issues in 9mm. They were frequently unfixable too for years. Even with a gen 5 ejector my old gen 4 still ejects weird much of the time. Add on in the meaningful improvements in gen 5 and I'd say it's the worst gen of 9mm Glock ever, and the only one I'd truly be wary of buying.

>>64120269
>using ZOGbot unironically
Agitprop and its consequences have been a disaster for mankind.

>>64119190
Too many people are ignoring this video. It is the most damning of them all.

>>64118258
>Actually read the case
>A MASSACHUSETTS court found that carrying a handgun without a holster IWB is negligent if it doesn't have a manual safety and the defendant should have known this
Whaaaaat

>>64120551
Shut up, Jeff, you can't even see the fucking gun AND it's 9 years old

>>64120269
literally, it's like people have forgotten about glock leg, and that fealing with these us not for retards who don't know how dangerous they actually are meant to be, but oh well it's fun to shit on it because of the shit handling of PR

>>64120269
literally, it's like people have forgotten about glock leg, and that dealing with these is not for retards who don't know how dangerous they actually are meant to be, but oh well it's fun to shit on it because of the shit handling of PR

>>64109263
>>64113786
>>64109280
What have (You) "done for gun rights" dickless Faggot brainlet?

>>64119972
>>64119934
>>64119565
>all posted 5 hours ago
struck a nerve huh? I hope you get paid to do """PR""" on mongolian basketwaving forums

>>64119934
>>64119972
>>64120004
>all posted 5 hours ago
struck a nerve huh? I hope you get paid to do PRopaganda on a mongolian basketwaving forum

>>64120160
Have they ever admitted an issue? I just remember Glock smiles and buying Lone wolf.
Quietly revised next Gen and anyone making FBI loads of 40 knew to just buy a lone wolf barrel.
Glock also wasn't aggressively using lawfare on anyone talking about it though.
That was the big difference desu

>>64119520
Where dos it say that in the FBI report? They used a "brand-new, unfired Sig Sauer M18 pistol" and found that "on the second attempt, the primed case fired" while testing the striker safety lever. Pages 29-30

>>64119558
>>64119525
Where's the misrepresentation? Both Protraband's patent video and the one you mentioned read off the patent which stated that the gun was a piece of shit since the sear can slip off and the striker safety lever can fail - and the manual safety does nothing to stop that. Sounds like you need to SLOW. THE FUCK. DOWN yourself.

>>64119934
>>64119972
There is damning evidence if you bothered to read. I cropped the part of the FMECA document that mentioned all the failure modes and added highlights. As an aside, it's funny that it says the P320 passed NATO drop tests but failed "customer tests" instead (ie, the infamous Youtube drop fire tests). The second and third highlighted rows from the top state that the p320 has a striker safety lever to prevent unintended striker contact and the sear has dual sear springs to prevent unintended striker release.

Both of which can fail, since:
>the striker safety lever can fail from normal movements as shown in the FBI P320 Report.
>the dual sear springs can tangle within each other, potentially causing impaired performance as these springs are responsible for keeping the sear in place holding the striker foot.

If (when) both of these fail, the gun fires and you get your dick blown, and not in the good way. Keep in mind this document was made in the 16th of February, 2017. Well before all the Sigcidents, replicable tests and reports came out. Guess they're eating shit right about now.

>>64120025
>>64120004
Not posting this to change your mind, your sig check must have cashed already. But I am going to shit on you for it.

>>64121705
Here's a photo of the sear springs failing

>>64121705
I forgot to mention the last two issues. The second last highlighted row isn't a big safety issue but it's funny that SIG claims that they incorporate corrosion resistant materials and coatings, when P320s and P365s are notorious for rapid rusting.

The last highlighted row IS an issue, because it talks about how improper disassembly and reassembly can cause improper function of the firearm. Like a fucking discharge as LFD Research has shown

https://youtu.be/7H4Ri409-5I

>>64100420 (OP)
Accidental discharge is still not supposed to be. It's like drunk driving. Even if you hit nobody, it's still a bad thing.

>>64121851
stfu esl retard

>>64122172
>ESL has better judgement than the smartest sigger

>>64122564
N

>>64121658
Yeah, you don't understand variable testing. It also sounds like you didn't watch the video that calls him out on poor reporting. You sound like an uneducated dickrider, to be frank.
>>64121705
Also sounds like you read what you wanted in the document and not what it actually says. For example, of course a gun will malfunction if it's assembled incorrectly, of course a rusted out chamber is more likely to fail to contain the detonation, these are normal outcomes of a pistol in that condition. This is the problem with letting some 19 year old kid, or someone with the mind of one,read technical documents.

>>64122851
all you can come up with is name-calling, one would think sig could afford more intelligent saars to do their bidding

>>64123034
There's no need to elaborate further. It's clear he didn't watch the video and his post is an excellent illustration of why undereducated laymen probably shouldn't be attempting to put this puzzle together.

>More Hellcat shilling
Cringe, MIC chose the M18. Now get over it already.

>>64115494
Careful, the jannies here are Reddit mods. I got banned a couple weeks ago for posting that comic. Apparently it’s not /k/ related and belongs on /pol/.

>>64123200
This. I do not understand why this occupies so much of their brain.

>>64102384
I do this as well. I do the same for women and jeets.

>>64123200
They will never get over it. They can't get over it. Their gunfu lost, and it affected them deeply and on a personal level. This entire thing is attempting to re-litigate the xm17 trials even though that's not how it works even if they are 100% right about every accusation.

>>64123202
This board /k/ is ludicrous.

>>64120509
I’ve been having brass in the face issue with blocks since Gen3 though

>>64121658
One of the lots of tested pistols (the police dept one iirc) shipped from SIG with out of spec triggers that where later ground into spec by SIG or SIG certified armorers.
Because we live in clown world all context gets deleted from the statements to ensure they're factual and misleading.

>>64123200
Glocktards are like Hillary voters.
>"NOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WAS SUPPPOSED TO BE GASTON'S TURN!"
They've been doing this for the past eight years. It's actual cultlike behavior.

HammerChads, feel free to pat yourself on the back for not being strikercattle.

>>64122851
>>64123074
Did you even watch the videos yourself? I watched both, they both rehash the report which says the gun sucks ass. You sound like an uneducated Sigger, to be frank.

>of course a gun will malfunction if it's assembled incorrectly, of course a rusted out chamber is more likely to fail to contain the detonation, these are normal outcomes of a pistol in that condition.
Indeed, which makes it a bad thing when they are assembled incorrectly from the factory by jeets or mutts, and when the gun rusts easily by nature just by sitting in drawers or tables. You have no right to accuse me of not watching the videos when you didn't watch mine either.

>This is the problem with letting some 19 year old kid, or someone with the mind of one,read technical documents.
The irony. Suck start a Sig my nig

>>64124341
Got proof?

>>64123200
And now they're paying the price for it. Buy nice or buy twice

>>64100420 (OP)
He's my favorite nigger

>>64100420 (OP)
Um, about that...
>https://smokinggun.org/court-records-reveal-sig-sauer-knew-of-pistol-risks-for-years/

>>64126440
>A redacted version of the court document was originally filed on May 14 in a case between attorney Jeffrey Bagnell and Sig Sauer. On July 24, a gun blogger was able to delete the purported redactions and post an unredacted version of the document. On July 28, Sig Sauer filed a motion requesting the court to remove the exhibit from public access,1 but guntubers and social media users reposted it before the court ruled.

>>64126297
Top lol. You still didn't watch it. I'll give you a hint, it's after the part where he rereads the patent. But I doubt you and your underage discord friends ever genuinely review your "evidence", just like the standard corpo risk assessment doc.

>>64126297
The 320 generally doesn't have rust issues. Cool shit just making that up, though

>>64126440
>>64126450
One of the unintentional discharge risks is pulling the trigger without paying attention. Sig is genuinely right in that this does nothing but frighten people who can barely read

>>64127144
Others are sear and striker safety lever failures. Not operator error then.

>>64126710
You still didn't watch it either. Because it addresses nothing about protraband's video at all. Don't come back till you give your own video a view

>>64126730
>he doesn't know
>>64121811
Go figure my Sigger

>>64127597
Did you wake back up eurofag? Good to see you're still wrong. I don't know why you're so resistant to actually paying attention and not skimming the video

>>64127597
The point is that it lists basically every kind of failure no matter how it may happen, if you're used to reading technical documents like this, you understand that it doesn't mean anything. But if you're an uneducated idiot, it's scary. This is exactly the aim of trying to get it released, to frighten people who are unused to this fairly standard type of document.

>>64127597
>mecgar mags

>>64126440
uh oh stinky

>>64126450
kek

the P320 is a piece of utter garbage that shouldn't exist, but it does
and the 'company naming itself SIG' somehow weasled its way into having its pistol the one that the Pentagon procured for its mil services so here we are

>>64127917
Oh wow, it's basically exactly how we called it. Normal people do not understand the document they're looking at and are easily misled by it. She either didn't read it herself or knew that it was nothing, which is why she passed on going through the line items. More shit reporting

>>64127597
Dude I don't know what little subreddit is giving you your info, but the mags are literally Mec-Gar

Wow, the glockfags are still seething

>>64119223
>an
Good morning sir

>>64128260
It's been years, dudes, YEARS. Get over it

>>64128260
Pretty sure it's just the usual shit colored turd worlders infighting outside their containment board /int/. I guarantee 95% of them don't even own a gun because they live in a poor shithole, or not old enough to buy one. Something about poos and Sig, so, they use this to scream hahaha we're better sub-human shitskins than poos. It makes the feel superior to their shit colored poo brothers. They already ruined/pol/, and now they're trying to ruin /k/, too. All you shit colored sub-human mutants need to stay on /int/ where your trash kind belong. You all are exactly alike, and non of you are better than the next flavor of shit. Just because you're a little less stinky than poos does mean you're not shit. Giving the third world easy access to the internet was a major mistake.

>>64128638
Post timestamp gun pic

>>64128638
Post timestamp gun pic and hand pic

>>64128654
>>64128664
No, you are the noguns

>>64128693
Brown, obese, and the guns looks like it's never been shot.

>>64128824
>Brown
lol, sure

>>64128896
Yep. And your curly black hair that only browns and niggers have gives your brownness away even more than your brown fat sausage finger.

>>64128975
You can make whatever cope comment about me or my skin tone you want, Mr. NoGun, but just because I keep my shit touched up doesn't mean you can say I don't shoot it. So where's your gun, huh? Or am I suddenly too pink?

That's what I thought you underage bitch. Get the fuck out.

>>64128975
>>64128824
Post gun

>>64127663
The point is it lists failures that CAN and DO happen. Like sear slippage, striker safety lever failures, and improper assembly causing UDs. But if you're an uneducated idiot, you'll gloss over my point multiple times.

>>64128109
>>64127690
You mean SIG mags. I have plenty of Mecgar mags for other guns that don't do this. It's not just the mags that have issues though
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=sig+sauer+rusting+issues

>>64129188
Mec-Gar makes the mags you no guns lunatic. Sig has literally nothing to do with it.

>>64129188
Why are you posting an image older than, and unrelated to, any of these problems? Could it be that you're shit stirring from a pot of info you don't really understand because you're paid? Could it be that you're just retarded?

>>64128649
You should see who makes Sig's guns, but you already know that saaar

>>64129201
How do you explain the other rust issues with Sigs? On the jeets, sure, but that's another issue entirely. I won't be redeeming those

>>64129212
Post gun, post timestamp, post your real human hand if it exists. You're either a poo yourself getting paid or you're literally a child.

Watch, he's not going to post anything proving he's anything but an /int/ noguns fag and just continue dumping stuff from his folder. Blahblah, jews, hurrr

>>64103180
based guy who’s just happy to be here energy

>>64129222
>>64129231
Please redeem this photo bloody dalit. Shill better, Ramjeet, or else Sig will send you to the designated assembly lines

>>64129443
I already posted my gun, fag. Twice, actually.

>>64129443
>euro
Of course.

>>64127949
back to plebbit, brainlet

Why does the corporation naming itself
'SIG'
still exist?

>>64120105
It's possibly the reason, there are several incidents of P320s going off after some sort of impact. If all striker guns are prone to discharge when the trigger is slightly pulled then squeezing the slide then there should be more guns going off while fully holstered than Sig's. But that isn't the case.

>>64119231
If the trigger dingus is so unreliable then where are the glock holster discharges? Let alone any other striker gun with a trigger dingus

>>64129613
Nah, JaredAF explains it very well with his Glock demo. The slide wiggle is not relevant as much as shit parts.

>>64120527
Where's the lie tho?

>>64120803
Glock leg happened during drawing or holstering. Not when it's fully seated and secure.

>>64129641
That's revisionism. Leather holsters could cause discharges way after holstering as they were more pliable and still the standard.

>>64129490
Excellent, all the better to shoot yourself with. But knowing your taste in guns, it'll probably do it for you instead

>64129506
You're one to talk noguns

>>64129663
>he doesn't recognize an Arex
Tasteless fag.

>>64129640
That still doesn't explain the lack of holster discharges with a glock et al.

>>64129657
I'm aware of that failure mode but it still requires the gun to move downwards onto the leather. Which means by definition the gun isn't fully seated and secure.

>>64129665
>An Arex owner calling me a tasteless fag
The jokes write themselves.

>>64129690
>I'm aware of that failure mode but it still requires the gun to move downwards onto the leather. Which means by definition the gun isn't fully seated and secure.
Nah, leather duty holsters were, and well used ones still are,very pliable. An officer moving around could definitely get the trigger guard area pinched. I dont think you leather.

>not appreciating the Zastava to Arex lineage
Not only can you not recognize a fine brand, you spit on culture. Absolute animal.

>>64129690
>That still doesn't explain the lack of holster discharges with a glock et al.
It isn't supposed to, because that has nothing to do with it. This is what he demonstrates and why the problem is elsewhere. Also, the Rex Zero is a tank that runs on mud and shoots damn well. If you like the m9, the rex zero is its fat cousin. Just saying

>>64129781
I didn't say that the holster material can't enter the trigger guard area at all, I'm saying that it can't pull the trigger by itself even when it happens. It still needs something or someone to push the gun down further, to allow the trigger to be pushed against the holster material intruding into the trigger guard and cause the gun to fire. But if that must be done then the gun isn't fully secure at all. I don't consider a soulless clone "cultured", sorry

>>64129872
Have you considered the possibility it doesn't need to be the only problem with the P320? The slide wiggle and generally sloppy tolerances can aggravate the problem when combined with shit parts with shit dimensions. And it can explain why the P320 goes off on impact, I've seen no other test do that.

>>64130201
>Thinks the rex zero is a clone
Sir, there's basically no parts interchangeable. Not even sights. You lack a basic education on the zastava line of evolution from the p210.
Anyway, that's still wrong. The leather can be pushed up and into the trigger and trigger guard area because organic (often old) material stretches. You're taking a stand against a known quality of leather holsters which were standard at the time.
Finally, the slide wiggle is literally not related. You can find old ass glocks with even more slop that rattle like a maraca but won't have a UD. 320 has problems elsewhere, slide slop is just low hanging fruit for brainlets

>>64130201
How do you have such strong opinions with such shallow subject matter knowledge?

>>64130257
>uhmmm, ackshually
Doesn't need to be a carbon copy to be a clone. It mimics the P226, which means it isn't even original in its appearance. I'm sure all the glockoffs differ on the inside too, but that doesn't makes it less derivative and unoriginal. You could have gotten the real deal instead of a pale imitation.

>The leather can be pushed up and into the trigger and trigger guard area because organic (often old) material stretches.
And how often did that happen? Because I can't find any that involve a stationary, fully seated gun firing out of the blue. Can't say the same for a P320.

Glocks can have more slop as you say but they won't UD, because they don't use jeet MIM parts. P320s can have less slop but they can UD, because they do use jeet parts. That's my point. It's not the only problem but it looks like one, and it can aggravate other issues. And there isn't even the basic courtesy of a trigger dingus to remotely stop it.

>64130325
I have strong opinions because I don't have shallow knowledge. I've read the reports and saw the test footage. And I don't fall for Sig-ological operations. Here's a handy primer

https://youtu.be/Iuuvu4it1Mw

>>64130793
Dude, you're just straight up wrong about the Arex Zero, and about Glock clones as well. Dunning Kruger in full effect.
>And how often did that happen? Because I can't find any that involve a stationary, fully seated gun firing out of the blue. Can't say the same for a P320.
Where are you looking? Glock leg was at its peak in the late 80s and early 90s, so just typing it into Google is probably gonna be less effective than going through catalogued newspapers or something

>>64130793
>I have strong opinions because I don't have shallow knowledge.
>Entire post is shallow knowledge

>>64117207
Almost all of them are cops, who are legendarily retarded and incompetent with firearms.
The used to shoot themselves with Glocks when that was the trendy gun for police departments to buy.
When the P320 is swapped for something else, you'll see that gun have a million 'mysterious' ND cases, too.

>>64115537
>shove a stick in the action to fuck with the seer
>do this after removing the cover plate
>act surprised that it sets the gun off
How would this ever happen in the real world? Are you carrying the gun partially disassembled in a pocket with a million allen keys?

>>64119158
What do you think the 'wall' is?
Any gun that is pulled past the 'wall' at any point is a gun that is trying to fire a cartridge.
The wall is the engagement of the seer. Take-up is the safety margin to that point. Anything past the 'wall' is an unsafe and life firearm that is trying to actuate its firing cycle.

>>64119177
>>64115583
>>64116432
>>64117207
How young are you people that you have never heard of the "Glock Leg" meme?
This entire cycle happened for decades with the Glock, where they'd 'randomly' go off in holsters or discharge "without the trigger being pulled". And tons of people bitched about Glocks being unsafe tupperware pieces of shit.
But the above just happened to only occur when they were carried by morons.

The P320 isn't an exceptional gun, but the problems claimed are ones that have happened with other pistols many times and the people posting about how this is unique or coming up with the most retarded mechanical tests for this ever, are out of their depth.

>>64131588
I'm pretty sure he's a teenage eurofag. This is very likely his first controversy

>>64131588
The catch-22 is that it happened during the 80s and 90s, when news didn't flow instantly onto the internet to get blown up. It's harder to list specific incidents because they're in old newspapers or the evening news and good luck tracking it down without some real effort. Meanwhile, they can just google "320 discharge" and have instant results.

>>64131588
Okay, show me the videos of glocks going off without trigger pulls then. You've got those ready to go, right?

>>64131756
>retard has poor reading comprehension
retard

>>64131756
>80s
>easily searchable videos

>>64131756
https://youtu.be/ENT2X4TeZIM
Sure.
Ready to stop being smug?

>>64131764
>>64131779
Yep, no evidence.

>>64131887
He holstered it in his waistband and the trigger got caught on his shirt. The p320 has been seen going off while being holstered in a proper holster with no obstructions. It just gets set off from slide pressure.

>>64131913
Cool, find me evidence of the P85's decocker sheering off under spring pressure and causing the gun to discharge without a trigger pull. Ruger did a massive recall on it in the 80s, should be easy to find video evidence, right?

>>64131913
>He holstered it in his waistband and the trigger got caught on his shirt
I'm sure that he'd say that unsafe plastic piece of shit just went off on its own when he had it safely holstered away.
Guess you'll have to agree to disagree.

>[the p320] just gets set off from slide pressure.
Literally no evidence of this happening. Someone pulling the trigger PAST the wall first is not evidence. Someone shoving shit into the trigger guts is not evidence.

BTW, here's a great article about cops repeatedly shooting themselves with the 'advanced technology' of a Glock pistol, in 1998.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police4page1.htm
This entire issue with the P320 is the same. Untrained morons shooting themselves in the leg with improperly holstered pistols or just fingerfucking the trigger when they shouldn't.
The P320 is a mediocre handgun that has been rolled out in huge numbers to many police forces at the same time because they all want to copy the Army. And retards end up shooting themselves in the legs with them because they are not mentally capable of carrying a firearm but are given one regardless.

>>64131913
Where's the evidence of the m9's slide breaking in half and launching itself at the user's face under recoil? That was a widely known issue that Beretta had to fix. Surely you have easy access to those videos.

>>64131940
>>64131944
>>64131950
Oh yeah and before you deflect, the point is that the peak of Glock UDs was before the information age really took off. By the time we really had fast and quick updates on events, PDs had done two critical things to relieve the issue
1. Better training and holstering habits. Cops were basically trained prior on super heavy DAs that let you be more lax with trigger awareness
2. Stopped using leather holsters as duty holsters. Leather holsters, especially given how cops did not take care of them, got super flexible and frequently worked themselves into the trigger guard. That's why people STILL tell you to not get leather holsters for Glocks.

>>64131913
>He holstered it in his waistband and the trigger got caught on his shirt.
The shirt somehow pulled the trigger despite him bending over and the garment being pushed forward? The shirt loose enough to fold over his waistline?

>>64131940
I'll do that when you find me the price of flathead fish in Hong Kong. It has just as much relevance to the matter at hand, you see.

>>64131944
>Literally no evidence of this happening
Wyoming.

>>64131950
Who cares if the issue is fixed?

>>64131970
You're deflecting. Fact is that glocks are safe and p320s are not.

>>64131997
Yeah, it got smooshed in there and tugged around.

>>64132031
Do you have any evidence of that?

>>64132029
>Wyoming.
How many people have explained how poor and worthless that test is by now? Even people who like the guy are coming to the conclusion.

>>64132027
It's 100% relevant. You're asking us to produce video evidence on youtube for something that was in the 80s and early 90s. That is exactly like us asking for p85 and m9 videos, since those were also big controversies in the exact same time frame. Go on, produce them. Show us your google skill. It should be easy since it's well documented

>>64132033
Yeah, the video.

>>64132035
Sure they are.

>>64132052
Glocks exist now and they aren't doing it, despite being even more widespread than the p320. Therefore they are safe.

Why does the corporation naming itself
'SIG'
still exist?

>>64132227
Cool, you have nothing. Get out.

>>64132298
The thread's already almost dead, just like SIG's credibility. We don't need to be like this. We can accept that glocks are safe. That glock COA contract is gonna be funny as shit if it's revealed that the marines or some other american force is getting them, am I right?

It's probably ICE.

>>64132318
The problem is that you're an idiot parroting things you don't understand. Even now you think dumb shit like the COA is only being sold to the united states.

>>64132318
>in the end, it's still glockniggers seething 8 years later
wow

>>64132338
Another deflection... Look man, glock = good gun. Sig = unsafe. Glock just landed a huge contract on this logic, so it is real. It's a thing.

>>64132347
That's stuff you're literally making up. Glock hasn't been awarded any contract and no new contract has been proposed for procurement. You don't even know how this works and you're trying to comment.

>>64132353
Hmm. Are you familiar with the first stage of grief? It doesn't take a genius to see which way the wind is blowing here.

>>64132400
>oh shit I got called out for not understanding government processes, better act like it was all part of the game

>>64132411
Yeah man, being told I don't understand government processes really shook me to the core. I base my whole personality on that. It's everything to me. How could you?

>>64132029
>pull the trigger passed the wall and then start fucking with the gun
What do you think the wall is, in a firearm's trigger system?