Thread 64101188

What advantages would a united European military have over the American military?

They would lose faster

>>64101188 (OP)
france and germay would push smaller countries around. Other countries would sethe and leave.

>>64101188 (OP)
more homosexuals, trannies, cowards and retards and better at consuming semen

>>64101188 (OP)
>united European military
How long would it take France to tell the rest of the EU to go fuck itself and go off on their own?

They wouldn't hesitate to completely glass ruganda since Europe has a long tradition of russoid removal.

>>64101322
>They wouldn't hesitate to completely glass ruganda
Then why haven't they.

>>64101344
>united European military

>>64101347
France and England both have nukes, they could nuke Russia right now.

>>64101188 (OP)
Better MREs

>>64101359
>Europe is France and England only.

>>64101322
>>64101344
Because even if only 40% of Russian nukes are still operational, which is a valid hypothetical, they are still vastly outmatched and would get decimated in a retaliation strike.

>>64101378
So the rest of Europe is willing to use the nukes they don't have and the only countries in Europe with nukes are unwilling to use them.

>>64101322
Probably not actually. European states all have significantly different strategic priorities. Western Continental powers, who would dominate a united Europe, like they do the EU, were initially disappointingly soft on Russia.

>>64101188 (OP)
It would just be welfare for countries that want newer militarys but cant spend or just don't want to spend; like Greece or Bulgaria. "Oh you want us to have the same standard of equipment and training as Germany? ah geez dude, Im gonna need you to lend me some cash, you see I gotta lot of credit debt and Ive been off work for a while because of my back and the IMF is refusing to cover it; man there's no way I can afford 10k new 416s and a fleet of leopards without some help; come on Germany just this once; I never normally ask you for money..." Outside of that, it would be shitter in every way, the same bureaucracy and political gridlock as the UN but applied to defence.

>>64101458
Greece does not underspend. They were actually forced to reduce their spending by their creditor nations, namely Germany, during the debate crisis.

>>64101188 (OP)
they could tell the US to fuck off and start challenging it's sphere of influence in the Middle East

>>64101487
So like attacking US bases in the middle east?

This thread has a lot of ziggers and melanated individuals, or niggers and shitskins as I like to call them, talking as if they know and understand European military cooperation and -dynamics.

>>64101188 (OP)
It'd be an absolute shitshow. You'd have France being a little shit all the fucking time, Germany dragging along the other retards, England being simultaneously demanding and wishy washy, Poland telling everyone to get bent as they order another couple dozen new tanks and planes that aren't the same model as the last tank or plane they ordered, it'd be a miracle if such a mess didn't cause a war to erupt between European states as they've gotten sick of each other's shit

>>64101491
Another fucking retard who has no idea how EU army would be set up and how military cooperation works presently in EU-NATO. You're basically spouting your own fantasy which is based on a terminally American understanding of the EU.

>>64101491
>>64101496
The closest analogy we have is the Waffen SS, possibly minus the war crimes.

>>64101496
I'm basing this off of the near disaster that was the Eurofighter and the current disaster that is FCAS, asking the French to play nice with anyone is a losing game and I don't need to vist Warsaw to tell you the Poles would not be cool with sharing their military command with Germany. If the goal is to have 1 single, unified European military then someone is gonna end up pissed at someone else for not adopting the standard gear

>>64101496
Europeans are not uniform in their outlook, objectives, and priorities. Trying to kludge together an army from three dozen distinct nation states is inevitably going to result in issues. Trying to get them all in the same page with more minor things than defense has been messy enough.

>>64101505
Yeah, and I'm telling you that your whole view is based on a woefully American understanding of Europe. Your view may make sense tovyou and other yanks, but it just looks silly to anyone in the old continent.

>>64101527
Nah, most Americans view Europe as just a unified country. It's the idea that Europe could form a coherent military that's an American misconception.

Europe is a continent that has
>several thousands of years of shared history
>the earliest industrialization and highest development levels on earth
>deeply intertwined economies, infrastructure, labor and trade, and resource interdependence in a relatively small geographical area
>very minor, with single digit exceptions, ethnic and religious differences, racial frictions a non-issue

and yet, every time anyone has tried to bring them together into a form of empire or greater European nation they've chimped out and quickly returned to their asinine ways and borders. They've fought, traded and coexisted since the dawn of humanity and yet almost all of them have their own language and some have languages within their national language.

It is simply impossible to unite Europe, either in peace or in war. They do not want to be united. Their entire identity is rejecting unification.

>>64101322
>ruganda
this is the greatest insult i've heard in my life

>>64101531

Americans see Europe as existing under a painfully sluggish EU Bureaucracy that simply holds meetings and shuffles papers. Yanks are clearly superior.

>>64101531
It's also uniquely and woefully American understanding of Europe that it cannot cooperate. Americans are either/or people, you simply cannot imagine a situation where EU army would exist as a shade of grey instead of black/white, yes/no.

>>64101585
It sounds like you're agreeing that an EU army would be a mess.

>>64101591
Define "mess". What is "a mess"? Is NATO cooperation between EU nations "a mess"? Or is this the part where you vomit your fantasies out about how EU army would lead to a continental war and expect people to just nod and pat you on the back?

>>64101608
If NATO cooperation without the US is the most a European military can hope to be then the question of OP is already pretty obviously answered with "Nothing"

>>64101322
Eurobros, please do this. Please ensure that this happens.

>>64101608
A "shade of grey" which cannot be explicitly defined with a cohesive discipline, doctrine, objectives, etc

>>64101188 (OP)
They would never actually fight anyone

>>64101620
Who do you expect to define these for you? Me? A proposal for a unified military unit isn't even in backroom negotiation stage yet.

Is this one of those threads where the resident zigger/street shitter replies to himself repeatedly since he's gotten laughed out of all other threads?

>>64101629
Will a military to function without a coherent, cohesive discipline, doctrine, and objectives?

>>64101608
A lot of bickering back and forth, ultimately being a much less efficient military than the current structure that exists. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a hard schism that arises over being 100% European or allowing the continued purchasing and receiving of American equipment. France has historically been all about being as independent and self-sufficient as possible so I just don't see them easily having their military command rolled into a larger international command structure, not unless they're allowed to basically run the whole thing or the international structure is so loose its practically nonexistent. Furthermore you have the issue of some nations being barely able to afford their own national defense and have no interest in engaging in overseas conflicts like the Houthis. Meanwhile bigger players like England and France obviously want to get involved in such matters so either they're gonna have to drag these poorer countries along, accept they're just allowed to sit these things out, or be forced to stay home because if one can't go then nobody can go (again, depending on how powerful the international command is). Now if this proposed EU military is just a way to ensure 100% standardization in equipment and training then you've just made another, shittier NATO that still has the problem of forcing member nations to adopt certain designs that they might not be able to afford or even want. You're acting like these aren't separate countries with their own goals, economies, and national mythos that may or may not be compatible with the nation next door

>>64101198
TRVKE

>>64101639
I ask again: is this the part where you expect me to say "EU army would never work and lead to a continental chimpout" simply because I can't define what EU army's organizational chart would look like? My definition of it would be as useless as your fantasies about how EU would devolve to internal conflict over a shared military force.

>>64101646
>your fantasies about how EU would devolve to internal conflict over a shared military force.
Never said that. I said that a European army would be inherently disorganized because it would be an amalgam of three dozen distinct nation states with different languages, geography, objectives, doctrines, etc. People ITT are ragging on France for being difficult in fighter programs. France controls places like New Caledonia, which accounts for 20-25% of the world's nickel in a given year, but it on the opposite side of the planet. It naturally needs to be able to field something capable of carrying nuclear weapons and using a CATOBAR system. Germany, Poland, Hungary, Greece, Sweden, and most other nations of Europe do not have similar priorities. Likewise, a place like Sweden has an inordinate amount of coastline to defend for a country of its population. It has to develop native solutions for this that won't make as much sense for France or Portugal. These sorta of things result in fights over procurement, doctrine, and training, which makes a single army a single army.

>>64101188 (OP)
An unified EU army would either be an extremely small, expeditionary corp like, force or national battalion that are trained to work with other EU armies, have a nice EU flag with their national flag, and maybe have a two headed command structure so they can be made available quickly. It would be a miracle if they had a common procurement and would probably be a Byzantine organisation unless a real war force it to become something that need to work.
The only advantage it would have is the plurality of military thinking that may lead to innovation. Maybe less nepotism as you have scrutiny from other member states.

A bureaucratic and procurement fucking nightmare.
Aside from drinking, there isn't anything a EU military would do better en masse than the US military.

>>64101322
>fuck Moscow in particular
Kek

>>64101188 (OP)
None. They would be dysfunctional to the point of parody.

>>64101322
>Ruganda
I'm stealing this.

>>64101188 (OP)
>united European military
What would their nuclear doctrine be like?

>>64101836
>will nuke

>>64101836
>will warn before nuking first
how many centuries before?

>>64101188 (OP)
the one advantage they would have is a higher tolerance for casualties.
this also means that they will be more committed to finishing their task instead of switching to casualty recovery.
the one way you could beat a American unit in a unit to unit engagement, discounting support because it's nit even fair if you do. is to keep hitting the Americans causing casualties and then frustrating CASEVAC redirecting US forces by letting them focus on your elements that are hampering their CASEVAC. allowing you to take initiative and set the pace.

>>64101836
Charlemange Doctrine

>>64101554
..to Uganda, yeah.

>>64101786
It's the most problematic place by far. The other Russians just want to farm buckwheat.

>>64101527
>>64101322
the yuros would immediately unconditionally surrender like they unconditionally surrendered to the egyptions

>>64101188 (OP)
none /thread

>>64101188 (OP)
Europeans colonized the entire world--WHILE FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES.
Europeans fighting each other started both world wars.

If they ever united (for real, none of that EU BS), that'd be a sight to behold.
But they never will.

>>64101993
we're not the ones desperately trying to suck up to monke and pretend like you can be friends with a dictator, anon.

>>64102098
you buy his gas. it's more like we don't care and don't want to subsidize yurop

>>64102093
they'd imediately unconditionally surrender like they did in egypt because all the yuros who have balls moved to the new world

>>64102093
Georgia and Türkiye are more Europe than French Guiana.

>>64102098
Says the continent that was *this* close to selling Russia light carriers, sold them tank thermals up until round 2 of Ukraine, and made themselves more energy dependent on Russian gas after Crimea. You have no room to speak

>>64101206
literally both coasts of jew sa

>>64102164
nope, yurop. greeks invented being faggots and germans invented troons

a hundred different languages and cultures working together. diversity has always been europe's strength.

>>64102242
What a disgusting image, the French and the Germans should never be together

>>64101188 (OP)
It would weaken each individual nation, making them unable to do any expeditionary work except as an EU unit, which would never happen because you'd never get them all to agree on an expedition. It's essentially a permanent neutering of any offensive capability unless if they double their expenditure to make up for the fact that they need to contribute two armies worth to have their own suitable army.

>>64102093
myanmarchads...

>>64101504
I am really hoping we still get the war crimes.

>>64102248
We're cousins, if it's OK in Alabama then we can be together here!

>>64101551
>shared history
Trying to kill one another
Americans need to understand they are unified by bongoloid ideology, history, culture and genetics on a continental scale

>>64101993
>egyptions
Wut

>>64102511
suez crysis. bongs and frogs unconditionally surrendered to literal africans after a humiliating defeat

>>64101836
the UK one is a lie since they did not nuke moskow over the wmd assasinations

>>64102523
>egyptions
>crysis
Damn what flavor of ESL monkey are you?
You also clearly have just heard about the Suez Crisis and have a brainlet comprehension of it

>>64102533
Remind me, what's the MD in WMD?

>>64102540
keep crying bong boy. I'm American and the egyptians blew you the fuck out

>>64102567
Not a bong, I'm just not a retard like you
>American
Sure thing, you're an 'ameyricon'

>>64101206
So second place to the russians?

>>64102093
Coloring Ethiopia in green on this is bullshit. They were partially occupied for a few years and actively resisted the whole time.

>>64102576
don't lie, bong boi
>>64102584
russians are yuros

>>64102661
Even if I had a personal stake, bongs weren't the only nation involved in Suez you retard

>>64102567
>the egyptians blew you the fuck out
Yeah Mustafa, totally.

>>64102661
russians are asiatic mongol rapebabies, not euros.

>>64102794
frogs got btfo'd too. total yuro humiliation, tranny
>>64102802
I'm white, keep crying

>>64102813
Post guns.

>>64102802
He doesn't even understand what happened
Egypt was getting rolled by Israel, France and UK until US pressure forced them to bail out or they would financially destroy them due to WW2 debt, all because of worries about pushing near/middle eastern states into the USSR sphere of influence

>>64102805
russians, turks and indians are all yuros

>>64102819
the frogs and bongs unconditionally surrendered and offered their women to the victorious north africans
>>64102818
we both know you are a no gunz yuro

>>64102825
>we both know you are a no gunz yuro
Lol, okay. Post guns.

>>64102831
I don't feel like doing the whole timestamp thing, yurocuck

>>64102825
You're turkish

>>64102835
>cant post guns
How very American of you.

>>64102846
>>64102847
nope, white and American. most Americans hate bongs

>>64102850
>no guns

>>64102850
>egyptions
>crysis
>whyte and amerycon
You cannot even speak English, Mahmut you are a bad liar
Did some buck tooth limey rape your whore ancestor, you really don't like Nigel do you?

>>64102861
nope, keep crying, bong bitch
>>64102852
you first bitch boi

>>64102897
>bloody benchod bastod bitch
Oh you're a poo, no wonder you're so asspained by Angloids

>>64102904
nope, white and American. indians like bongs because they are the same in every way. Most Americans hate bongs

>>64101403
>Because even if only 40% of Russian nukes are still operational, which is a valid hypothetical,
LOL. LMAO, even. Try 4%, that might be plausible.

>>64101554
>>64101830
What did the poor Ugandans do to deserve that comparison?

>>64102958
>white
Doubtful
>American
LMAO, no.

You jeets hate the British and routinely blame them for their own inadequacies and racial inferiority. Seethe more about it, rajesh.

>Most Americans
Nobody died and made you the spokesperson for even a single American, rajesh.

>>64102820
No. Kindly remove yourself from the genepool, asiatic subhuman.

>>64101496
And how pray tell would the EU cross navigate needing France and non member UK to actually shift it's asses anywhere on the planet but their quaint village Hamlet? Can you even answer this basic question, who would be the Tard Wrangler in Chief? The last time a united Euro Army existed it was tard wrangled by Ike

>>64102958
Are you mad your auntie shouted out for Albert while you were molesting her Ranjesh?

>>64102993
>>64102991
>>64102996
nope, I'm white and American. keep crying bong bitch. no one likes you bongs. that's why we are making you pay tariffs

>>64102994
You'd think after the 2nd most powerful military on earth faced total logistical collapse not even 50 miles over their border, and the entire world sees a massive uptick in military procurement that more nations would have taken the importance of airlift, sealift and logistical capabilities on board
Its all flash shit though, nobody seems to learn

>>64102998
>saar you bloody benchod bitch
Kek

>>64103009
nah, that's you, bong boi. your pm is literally indian

>>64103036
Broken

>>64101206
Trvke, especially after the Hegsethian reforms.

>>64101188 (OP)
Never happening but it'll be a fun exercise. Too much history between the various nations + language barrier.

>>64101504
>>64102289

>>64103109
>swarthoid
>dysgenic freak
>beaner
>femoid
>completely insane hitler not realising they're also being completely outdone by the west leaving no other option
>complete loser slant
>slaughtered (completely non hostile) Christians on his crusade for Christianity
>thats fair game

>>64103129
>No arguments, just screeching

>>64103101
Never say never. Someone could conquer the whole place, put it under unitary management and whadda ya you know, you got yourself a united european army. Now you might say "How will a EU country capture the whole continent given the state of even the 'strongest' EU militaries?" Don't know and don't care. An EU army is a shit idea.

>>64103164
Who are you quoting?

>>64103099
>hegseth
>not communist
sure

>>64101551
>>very minor, with single digit exceptions, ethnic and religious differences, racial frictions a non-issue
lol
ok bro

>>64101188 (OP)
The power of friendship and jokes about the quality of food

>>64101487
to do what exactly?
as an american I am entirely flabbergasted by the concept of anyone WANTING to be more involved in the middle east

>>64102173
>Germans

>>64101188 (OP)
This is an idea that only works in fiction because it ignores the entire reason as to why the US traditionally calls the shots in NATO. It's because Europe just can't get along with each other. They will only cooperate long term if there's a higher authority they will all defer to, otherwise France isn't going to listen to Germany who isn't going to listen to the UK who isn't going to listen to the other two either, since they all perceive each other as relative equals.

>>64104162
well no matter europe has the solutions
perhaps we should let some unbiased metropolitan types decide

>>64104032
In a based world? Genocide. Too much chimping out going on there and it's affecting the rest of the world.

>>64103099
>rooting for an alcoholic with past felonies because he looks manly
Either you're russian or a turd worlder

>>64104184
Post body.

>>64101188 (OP)
>united European military
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra2qO7EQ7dE

>>64104126
yup, yuros
>>64104032
yuros want to unconditionally surrender to egypt again

>>64101188 (OP)
Way more cute trench twinks per capita.

I will get to frag germans.

>>64101188 (OP)
Less retarded politics, which is saying something given that the French would be present.

>>64106231
Ce sera trés drole

>>64102093
They colonised the world BECAUSE they were fighting amongst themselves. A great deal of conquests were made simply to deny any land or resources to the enemy, even if they were unprofitable.

>>64102820
sorry thirdie, but they're not, you can keep crying about it, if it upsets you that much.

>>64103109
French crusader quote is made up

>>64106234
>Less retarded politics,
all yuro countries are ruled by retarded commies
>>64106492
they are, faggot. I'm American. yurop is third world. you fags die of no AC. that's third world tier