Thread 64101654

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>>64101654 (OP)
It's PSA.
PSA is shit.
PSA has put out a bunch of what ifs and other vaporware.
Even if they do make it gen1 PSA designs are full of issues that dont get sorted till 3 or 4
There was never any hope for this.

>>64101654 (OP)
>it's hard to make a gun that only a select few autists will buy
>it's hard to sell a gun for autistic people, even if it's in common calibers, because it's not something normal people are that interested in
>it's hard to sell a gun to autistic people if it's not in the caliber it was originally designed to use
>it's hard to sell a gun whose ammo is $1.25/round and isn't made in vast quantities

>>64101654 (OP)
Bullshit. They could have sold a ton of these.
Retro is in.

>>64101654 (OP)
Let's see
>PSA has a track record of releasing shoddy products, especially when they're not making ARs or Glock clones (see the Jakl and PSAK)
>Very likely was a completely fucked project that could barely work even in a prototype form
>There's maybe a couple hundred people in the US who'd want a STG repro
>It's not even a good repro, it's the difference between Force Unleashed on PS2 versus 360
>All the attempts to make it more marketable (rails, modern calibers) made it even less appealing to the crowd that want a repro and didn't draw in any new customers. Like trying to sell beer to Mormons
>All signs pointed to it costing over a grand, nearly 2. Average PSA buyer isn't gonna pay that much and the average person willing to shell out 2 grand on a gun isn't buying PSA
I remember how there was an ardent PSA shill campaign saying how it's actually good that their StG repro has about as much in common with the real StG as a seahorse does with an Arabian. When your repro project is actively pushing away the people who want a repro you've fucked up big time

>>64101739
How much is that shit per round anyways? Guy locally has it $1/rd and I bought a round just for fun. Original German (?) steelcase, too.

>>64101739
NVM apparently ammoseek does have a category for it because of course they do and it is $1.25/ea from PPU or $2.60 (!) for East German surplus. Damn, actually a good deal apparently.

>>64101654 (OP)
Hill & Mac fucked up hard, and it was better for PSA to just not bother at all. Honestly, I don't know why PSA is solely the one to blame here.

Props to PSA for TRYING to make this shitshow of a project work. Everyone wants authentic but doesn’t want to pay authentic price. The STG is an old outdated weapon system and it’s just a real pain to make a faithful reproduction while keeping the cost down. They would have been better off just making a look-alike, taking the hate but actually make something that works and is cheap enough to sell just so people can scratch the itch. Anyone who wants an authentic STG-44 clone can go and buy a PTR-44 and let the poorfags have their half-ass STG cope rifle in 5.56.

>>64102707
>Honestly, I don't know why PSA is solely the one to blame here.
They aren't, HMG botched this whole thing at the conceptual level but that what stop some tards (including in this thread) rom shitting on PSA for it because reddit conditioned them that way.

>>64102747
>Honestly, I don't know why PSA is solely the one to blame here.
They aren't, HMG botched this whole thing at the conceptual level but that won't stop some tards (including in this thread) from shitting on PSA for it because reddit conditioned them that way

>>64101728
You shut your whore mouth. PSA is a national treasure.

They just outsource quality assurance to their cu

>>64101654 (OP)
It's always a fucking shitshow to repro anything. Not only that it might use uncommon calibers or that the market for such a product is extremely small, but then you have to balance out autism and design.
Some weird quirks of older gun designs existed because of compromises made to compensate for the manufacturing capabilities and materials available at the time. Do you keep them in to satisfy the autists or do you simplify it just enough to save a ton of money money?
It really should've remained a small shop 1:1 gun made by and for autists, not something PSA should have wasted resources trying to reengineer into something simpler/cheaper to make the gun affordable-ish to poorfags and normies. It's a repro, it's always going to be expensive as shit. Anyone who can afford a repro can afford to feed it.
A repro STG is never going to be even something you'd bring out to shoot every weekend. If you're buying the experience of shooting an STG you will be buying 7.92k, otherwise it's an AK/AR in a different shell and then what's the fucking point?

>>64101654 (OP)
They realized it was fucking doomed from the start and axed it

>>64101728
This wasn't even originally their gun you retard

What ever happened to Florida man's Vintorez copies?

>>64101654 (OP)
Why would I get some polchud fuddslop over an 11.5 PSA AR

>>64101654 (OP)
Just buy a PTR-32 if you are not worried about it being period accurate.

>>64103045
He made a shitty cast of the top cover of the receiver and that's about it.

>>64103051
Get a 20" rifle like God and Eugene Stoner intended otherwise get a .300blackout/7.62x39mm if you want an sbr.

>>64103064
But 11.5 does the same damage as a 20 it's literally the same ammo

>>64103184
In case you are not trolling.
20" has greater velocity and the whole point of 5.56 is velocity.

rifle length gas systems are softer recoiling and more reliable.

16-24" are the acceptable lengths for 5.56

If you want 11.5" ju8st get a 9" .300blackout or 11.5 7.62x39mm.

.30cal rounds are better suited for sbr where the loss in velocity doesn't matter as much and shorter gas systems retain their reliability.

Honestly get a 9" .300 blackout sbr if ease of use, home defense is the main concern. You can then get a suppressor and subsonic rounds which will save your ears indoors.

or be cool like me and use a 20" rifle with bayonet for home defense.

These late ww2 and early cold war guns are designed with huge upfront capital costs and low serial production costs in mind, the exact opposite that you want for a boutique item

it's either impossible to make a profit on, or impossible to faithfully recreate

>>64102939
>If you're buying the experience of shooting an STG you will be buying 7.92k, otherwise it's an AK/AR in a different shell and then what's the fucking point?
This is a stupid line of thinking. It's not an AR in a different shell it's an STG44 in a different caliber. This is like saying the MG3 is just an M60 with a different shell, because the MG42 was in 7.92 and not 7.62.
>Anyone who can afford a repro can afford to feed it
This is a dumb line of thinking too, especially in the case of an STG repro. It's not even as much of a matter of 8mm kurz costing $1.50+ a round for new production ammo, it's that there is literally a single factory in a foreign country producing that ammo. If that supply gets cut for any reason, all you've got left is the increasingly expensive and almost non-existent supply of surplus ammo. And yes, even if you can afford to piss away money on new mfg 8mm kurz, the rifle being in a caliber that's a literal third of the price per round is still more attractive.

>>64101654 (OP)
Same reason why PSA dropped the MP5. It became way more expensive than they originally intended

>>64102928
When I first saw the HMG project I was hyped but then I saw all the fucking BULLSHIT they were trying to do and I knew they werent getting any of those rifles out. They were trying to release an 8mm Kurz, 7.62x39, 5.56 and .300BLK at the same fucking time not to mentioned their “modern” version. Oh boy, I rustled so many jimmies talking shit about all the retards who “pre-ordered” knowing they would NEVER deliver. Wasnt the pre-order at like $1500? Yeah fucking right kek, retards losing money based on hype as always.

>>64103838
Century AP5 and Zenith ZP5 already gave the market everything they could ever need for the MP5. PSA couldnt beat the cheap AP5 and the “authentic” licensed ZP5 for the life of them.

>>64103956
I honestly don't know how long Zenith is going to last even, the AP5 has kind of undercut every other offering by ludicrous amounts, especially considering what you get. I can't really blame for PSA deciding they didn't want to bother with all the time and money on what is basically guaranteed to be a doomed venture.

>>64103994
Zenith has managed to meet ISO standards with aerospace factories while also keeping workers at slave labor wages. Also very weak turkish currency letting them export for cheap as well.

>>64101654 (OP)
It would be super cool if they'd just fix their shitty QC instead of pumping out new garbage every single month. But poor retards eat it up everytime they do.

>>64103944
I made a lot of people mad shit talking their halfassed nigger rigged lower receiver. Took one look at that and knew it was doomed.

>>64104466
Jesus christ, did they even try?

>>64103051
>>Why would I get some polchud fuddslop over an 11.5 PSA AR
Why would you get an 11.5 PSA when you could get an 11.5 that is not a PSA?

>>64101654 (OP)
>can see from a mile away it's a trainwreck and know it's never going to work
>PSA still adopts it
>years later make a video going "sorry guys but unfortunately due to ""unforeseen"" issues with production, we're going to be putting this project on hold indefinitely
i guess it shows they must be doing well financially if they're willing to try and pick up projects like this that will never work. here's hoping they pick up the automag next.

Its a bit like buying a new production model T isn't it? Cool but outdated without any authenticity.

>>64101847
>>All signs pointed to it costing over a grand, nearly 2. Average PSA buyer isn't gonna pay that much and the average person willing to shell out 2 grand on a gun isn't buying PSA
Sounds eerily similar to stellantis and their insane bs 6 figure car prices for something like a jeep. Only difference is PSA didn't go balls deep.

A tad insane they even had a prototype in the works and considered putting an STG on the market, but commendable nonetheless.

>>64101654 (OP)
They made the wrong gun. They should have made the FG-42 instead.

>>64103211
good on you for training the new guys here, anon. You gotta let him know that 5.56 out of a 20" barrel will make jamal dead to where 5.56 out of a 10" barrel will only scuff his jordans.

>>64101654 (OP)
>NOOOOO WE CANT MAKE THAT, THINK OF THE PROFITS WE WOULD LOSE ANY TIME WE ARE NOT PUMPING OUT AR SLOP NOOOO
Pretty much the state of every company these days. The pistol grip was awfully done and everyone hated it, the proportions are fucked.

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>>64105409
Yeah me and the five other Day of Defeat boomers with enough money to buy would be psyched.