Thread 64102162

So the Trump admin just killed Army Reserve rotorwing aviation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKzZDATKzHk

Going by the numbers chatgpt just spat at me, reserve aviation is 5k total personnel and ~200 airframes; while big army aviation is 14k of just pilots and a little under 4k aircraft. So while 200 choppers isn't insignificant and it sucks those guys are being made redundant, its kinda a drop in the ocean and not a big deal.

>>64102171
>chatgpt

you mean google?

>>64102162 (OP)
And the reason?
I'm guessing they are going hard on drone warfare, and see helicopters as redundant, but what are they going to do with 5k personnel now?

>>64102195
>I'm guessing they are going hard on drone warfare
That's the stated plan but it kind of ignores the transport choppers that you are going to want to keep manned for handling emergencies and moral.

>>64102199
You still keep those for rear areas; and you keep the newest Apaches on active duty. This is just getting rid of the older stuff.
The army is being relatively competent about adapting to the drone age IMO.

>>64102162 (OP)
Sad...I hope get a apache on sale.
>>64102195
>but what are they going to do with 5k personnel now?
Is that just 5k personnel?

>>64102182
no, gemini is google

Why does the reserve even have aircraft? The army does a piss poor job integrating guard and reserves. The Air Force at least does that a little better.

>>64103075
>Why does the reserve even have aircraft?

Short story? Because cold war inter-branch rivalries for glory and the budget. Air Force and Navy had nukes so they were showered with money like expensive hookers in Dubai. The Army seethed and tried to get their own nukes while claiming helicopters.

They seethed so hard that when Top Gun came out and everyone loved it, they made their own Top Gun but with helicopters. I don't remember the name of it. It wasn't that good.

>>64103110
>They seethed so hard that when Top Gun came out and everyone loved it, they made their own Top Gun but with helicopters. I don't remember the name of it. It wasn't that good
lol I had never heard of this jank movie and they even hired real actors
https://youtu.be/9uOcWJ9ae5A

>>64102171
>Going by the numbers chatgpt just spat at me

>>64103312
NTA but wikipedia says 4400 soldiers, 600 civis, and 230 airframes. They're about right.

>>64103075
Because they're the RESERVE. You know, the "backup"?

>you can't just transfer people
>you have to build a way forward for them

?
what are they blathering about

>What did it cost to train these officers

Everyone involved is paid salaries, there is no incremental cost for training...

>>64103327
Good. Personally I would've just looked directly there. Wikipedia may at times have outdated information, but even if mildly dated, at least that information is generally sourced and correct, and you're made aware of that shortfall.

>>64102162 (OP)
Hegseth is the biggest retard ever. Battalion XO and news casting qualifies you for Sec Def? Get the fuck out of here.

>>64102195
Its sad man. Lot of people that arent warrants are just going to ground units, putting in retirement, going guard/active, or reclassing. Im going reserve drill sergeant because fuck it why not.

>>64103075
What >>64103331 said. When rotations get hot and you need a plus up. We also served as a training component. 5-159th GSAB in Spain and Norway within past three years actively particapated in Swift Response, sub-exercise of Defender Europe. Had green berets and dutch marines getting dropped off in Norway. And Spain we assisted with HALO drops. Its all about support.

pic rel is from the Army museum at Belvoir

>>64103299
>they even hired real actors
Lets be fair, Nic Cage would sign on with anything

>>64102171
Shitass

>>64102195
>And the reason?
Trying to off set the debt blowing up from the tax breaks they passed

>>64103699
>Battalion XO and news casting qualifies you for Sec Def?
He was chosen because he's a fuck up

>>64102162 (OP)
A black chinook just flew over my house!

>>64103835
Find a SF recruiter near you!

>>64102277
>does he know?

>>64103895
funny story, I live out in the middle of nowhere in New England and was having seggs with my gf a few weeks ago when I heard the sounds of a CH-47 flying overhead. I literally looked up and made this face mid-thrust, it's been years since I've been around shit-hooks but could still recognize it immediately. Long story short it actually was the 160th doing an exercise with my state's ARNG, thank you all for reading my blog.

>>64102195
Its just the reserves getting hit, the units are set to be decommisioned by the next september

>>64103110
That's why the Army has aircraft, not why the Army Reserves has them.

>>64103331
>>64103699
I get having a backup, but again the army does a piss poor job integrating the reserves and guard with the regular army. There is always countless number of grunts pissed at guard and reserve units not knowing what to do. A lot of that is probably from interrivalry shit, but a lot of that is just the lack of training together.

So again, if they can't fully integrate them to work effectively together, why have them at all?

I think also having two different sets of reserves is dumb. Not saying that it should be gotten rid of, but a lot of the cold war legacy shit is just hindering the military right now and should be looked at. Trimming the fat and nuking dumb ideas (please nuke the current Regiment system) shouldn't be off the table.

>>64104321
I get what you mean with the poor integration of reserve/guard with active, but when it comes to aviation everything is so insanely scrutinized that it'd probably mean someone is going to get fucked up (by dying or UCMJ) if coordination is botched. Not to discredit your own experience with aviation integration amongst the components but from where I stand the shit flies smooth.

As for two sets from an organization and logistics perspective, I agree entirely. Why have two backups? That type of redundancy isn't warranted in that context. I see it more from a manpower reasoning. People are signing up for part time jobs. As you know, guard gives different benefits and life style compared to the reserves. So if one is struggling because another is thriving in recruitment, you still end up with a wholistic amount of reserve pilots flying rotory.

>>64103299
I AM THE GREATEST!
(doesn't know he's left-eye dominant, or that they make left-eye eyepieces for Apaches).

>>64104040
based
I would've nutted right then and there, but that's just me

>>64102171
Retard. The USAR has way more than 200 airframes. Use your fucking brain.

>>64103075
>Why does the reserve even have aircraft? The army does a piss poor job integrating guard and reserves.


Substantiate your claim. The Army actually soes a pretty decent job integrating the Guard and Reserves in my opinion.

>>64102171
>Going by the numbers chatgpt just spat at me
fucking zoomers seriously can't even think for themselves or do any actual fact checking.

>>64106536
One time I asked ChatGPT about my city and it made up a district and tower complex that doesnt exist. It told me about famous people from the city, who were not at all from the city. It's garbage.

>>64102171
seething citationcucks bow before the ai chad
>>64103327
and after all those asshurt responses his numbers were functionally accurate

>>64106690
Exactly. AI models constantly lie. even if they are right sometimes you can easily gaslight them.

>>64103826
Better than you clown

>>64102195
Because who would trust a reservist to fly a helicopter?
Trump out here saving American lives

>>64106690
>>64106834
Yep. Im an attorney and even LLM's made specifically for legal research have huge issues with ghost cites. AI is only useful for shit like "write an email to X telling them Y, tone assertive, underword" or "summarize the facts on this file".

>>64102171
>Going by the numbers chatgpt just spat at me
You are less than human.

>>64106834
>AI models constantly lie.
They spit statistical truths which often aren't very true.

>>64102162 (OP)
Good. The Trump 2 admin has been really great with cutting away military redundancy and bloat. If it continues soon we might be able to actually win a war against stone age sand people again.

>>64107493
>They spit statistical truths
nope, they often contradict their own sources

>>64107499
The only remotely realistic way to have "won" Afghanistan was to commit genocide. The US wasn't and still isn't willing to spend 30 years dumping enormous amounts of resources into a country to reshape its society at the very foundations while the existing power structures of that society reward America's charity with IEDs and dead US servicemen. Anything short of that wasn't going to move Afghanistan away from being a patchwork of tribal groups who would happily support islamic terrorists if there was something in it for them.

The US had more than enough resources to just kill everyone if they wanted to, and no amount of cost cutting and restructuring of the military would change the fact that you can't make a society democratic by putting troops on every corner. Thinking that Trump and friends could have somehow magically changed this by shuffling org charts and moving funds around is peak retarded burger, and is exactly the reason why you have lost so many wars against vastly inferior opponents despite winning almost every battle by a comical degree.

>>64107499
We didnt lose the war, the war was fought and won in 03, after that was trying tobget sandniggers to not be ciolent apes and be somewhat competent leaders but muslims make that impossible without full scale genocide