Thread 64103844

Ordinary self defense and wilderness survival/SHTF are the only two firearm uses I care about. Ruger MK4 is adequate for the former and ideal for the latter. There's no reason for me to even own anything else.

>>64103844 (OP)
Ok but what if you want a real gun and not a toy?

>>64103849
You must be 18, own land and pay taxes to post here.

>>64103849
22LR has killed fucking grizzly bears

>>64103844 (OP)
If that's what you enjoy, go for it. Rimfire is fine, and if you can actually hit with it you're better off than most shooters. Everytime at the range I see people with some 9mm autoloader pulling 12 inch groups at 7 yards.

>>64103844 (OP)
It's like a Jap Luger (not the Nambu). Ruger.

>>64103897
I've always focused on long range precision shooting with handguns, because shooting rapidly at close range against large targets just seems too easy and I don't see the point of wasting live ammo on that kind of "practice". I just never felt like that is really helping me to develop a skill. To me, 25 yards is the standard handgun target distance and I expect to keep most 9mm service pistol groups within less than 4" at that range. With the MK4 it's more like 1.5". At 7 yards with the MK4 I could mag dump an opponent's eyeball.

>>64103917
You’re a fucking retard then

>>64103908
but it is like a Nambu though, the mechanical components of the gun were directly based off of Type 14 Nambus that Bill Ruger took apart and copied in his garage.

>>64103844 (OP)
These are nice when you get a good one.

>>64103917
25 yard is the best. The only people who shoot closer are unable to group at that range. Moreso with pistol red dots. 25 yards is the ideal range for zero. Very minimal drop at even 100 yards with 9mm at 25 yard zero.

>>64103974
that's some Balashnikov shit

>>64103851
I do all of those things, if you’re a grown man, why are you still playing with children’s toy guns and not a real gun?

>>64104152
NTA, but I'm very curious where this meme that "22's aren't real guns" comes from. It often goes hand in hand with "you shouldn't spend too much money on a .22 since it's not a real gun".
None of it makes any sense.

>But but but kids shoot them
And?

>>64104177
legacy fudd lore

>>64103947
All of these tactical YouTube guys shooting human silhouettes right in front of their faces just look dumb. Unless you have to resolve serious recoil control issues, that is just a waste of money. Close quarters shooting is 99% draw and presentation. Once you achieve that, it's pretty hard to fuck up the trigger pull so bad that you completely miss human vital regions at 7 yards. A laser cartridge is all you need for that kind of training. 20+ yards is where errors in the actual firing sequence become meaningful and diagnosable.

>>64103851
you mean your parents' land?

>>64104177
22 SHORT was developed as a concealed carry defensive round. Fun fact.

>>64103844 (OP)
Checked, but don't limit yourself anon, there's a wide world of cool shit out there.

>>64103844 (OP)
Ruger Mk4 vs Tx-22 Mk2 please ?

>>64104193
You're leaving out the stress and the movement.

Try this. It sounds very easy, but if you haven't trained I guarantee your results will embarrass you, even if you've been punching paper for years.
Set up your target at 25 yards. Walk towards it, just a normal everyday pace. When you get to about 20 yards draw your pistol and shoot as you keep walking towards the target. No running, no rapid fire, but you are not allowed to stop walking, just continuous fire while you're walking.

Now do it quickly.

>>64104221
Aluminum Mkiv > TX22 > 22/45 Mkiv

>>64104200
.22 Short also won’t make it through a wooden suburban backyard fence. Fun fact.

>>64104221
I'll take the one that doesn't have an aluminum slide

>>64104221
Ruger looks cooler so that one is better.

>>64104204
I've already owned probably 60 firearms. I'm trying to downsize as much as possible.

>>64104223
I do not shoot while moving. I'm either moving as fast as possible into cover, or I'm shooting with proper form so as to strike the target as effectively as possible. I've this saying that goes something like "don't shoot your gun, fight with it". Coming from a background of traditional archery, I absolutely disagree with that philosophy.

>>64104245
Aguila colibri will go through a sheet of plywood

>>64104327
Lmao no it will not. I shoot glass with colibris and it doesn’t break.

>>64104323
>I absolutely disagree with that philosophy.
Wouldn't the merit of that philosophy depend on what you were intending to do with your gun? Also, how many gunfights have you been in, I'm curious what experience you have to suggest that philosophy is bad.

>>64104323
Yeah you disagree with it because you lack experience, it’s ok, take a few training course and realize how stupid you are and you’ll get better.

>>64104327
>>64104334
>all plywood is the same
>all glass is the same
if only we had units to quantify these things

>>64104340
Yeah it’s called owning a real gun and not a toy.

>>64104335
The same experience you've already described of accuracy going to shit while moving. The bullet is already moving for you, so you should just focus on hitting what you're shooting at. If you succeed then the target can't shoot back, so there's no need to move.

>>64104339
Training courses run by people who have never been in a gunfight consisting of fantasy scenarios, about as useless as karate.

>>64103844 (OP)
>This is literally the only firearm I need
>Stock photo
99% of "um actually I solved weapons" threads.

>>64104434
Why would anyone ever post a personal photo on the internet when there are already existing images of the same thing?

>>64104563
I don't know why people like you insist on existing.

>>64103849
All guns are toys

>>64103844 (OP)
rimfire sucks

Mk4 is top tier fun

>>64103897
>9mm autoloader pulling 12 inch groups at 7 yards
that's literally me

>>64104221
my tx22 doesn't choke even when running suppressed, great shooter. Not a fan of the aluminum slide though. Taurus customer service is nigger tier, if that's something you care about I'd consider your other options, otherwise its a good gun.

>>64104563
why would anyone ever talk about things when they've already been talked about?

>>64103864
Well then you go kill a grizzly bear with one.
Good luck with that.

>>64103849
post a single gun you own with timestamp

>>64103897
>Rimfire is fine

You know what's better? 22 WMR.

>>64105958
>10/22 Super Safety about to drop
> wall of lead at 1100rpm

I might just do that then