Thread 64106501

>https://defence-blog.com/poland-launches-probe-into-korean-arms-contracts/
>https://tvn24.pl/polska/zakupy-zbrojeniowe-z-korei-za-miliardy-i-tajemnicza-spolka-jest-sledztwo-badaja-faktury-st8589293
>Polish prosecutors, counterintelligence, and tax authorities are investigating a Warsaw-based company that received nearly 100 million złoty (about $25 million) from a South Korean defense contractor shortly after multi-billion-dollar arms deals were signed between Warsaw and Seoul.
>The agreements, first signed in 2022 under then-Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak, have since been amended and expanded. Current Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz signed further agreements last week covering additional deliveries and the local production of K2 tanks. The total value of these orders is approaching $7 billion.
>Prosecutor’s office spokesperson Mateusz Martyniuk confirmed the criminal probe to tvn24.pl, saying it concerns “the issuance by a Polish company to a Korean defense industry company of two VAT invoices for multi-million amounts for advisory services.”
>An official familiar with the case told tvn24.pl that “the Koreans transferred around one hundred million to the Polish company for advisory services. We are now carefully verifying where – or rather to whom – the money from the Polish company went under subsequent agreements.”
Looks like you can take the communism out of a nation, but you can't take the corruption out. Now it's clear why Poland wanted to conclude their deals with Korea quickly and without a public tender.

>>64106501 (OP)
>poland is a corrupt shithole
And water's wet.

>>64106531
>Country launches an investigation into government corruption
>POLAND IS A CORRUPT SHITHOLE
You're right, it's much better to institutionalize corruption and call it lobbying

>>64106554
investigating blatant corruption is the bare minimum. the fact that such obvious corruption happens and will not be punished like every other time is what makes a country a corrupt shithole.
Russia has a fully "indipendent" Anti Corruption Investigative Commitee as well, does that make Russia any less of a corrupt shithole?

>>64106501 (OP)
>polish company is like "yo chang, if you want to sell your shit to our government, then you have to jump through certain hoops and abide to very specific, poorly documented polish legislation, and there are a lot of pitfalls we can help you navigate, if you give us, say 0,4 % of the total contract value"
>and chang is like "okidoki kurva blyat"

And now we all scream together "muh corruption".

An investigation does not mean a crime has happened.

>>64106564
Fuck russia, death to ziggers and fuck the CCP too and death to genocidal freaks in israel as well
Now that this shibboleth is out of the way:
Holy fuck just look at America, it's fucking sad man
Not that Europe isn't far behind in the clownshow but America and England have been uniquely atrocious, likely as a function of being global financial centers and reaganite/thatcherite vandalism of democracy and governance efficacy playing ozt long term among other things
But it's bad, it was bad when pelosi did it and it's even worse with the 2.0 trump clownshow - the corruption, conflicts of interest and insider trading

>>64106640
Addendum: hoping for Polish bros that they manage to get these fucks punished if there is corruption (which is sadly not unlikely) and get better governance that every human bean deserves

>>64106554
>Laugh at the multi-billion-dollar worth of jeet'd siggery dumped on the poor soldiers by a certain retired and enriched general.

>>64106554
kek

>>64106640
>>>/pol/

>country investigates corruption
>Another country has mass protests when administration attempts to jeopardize corruption-fighting agency
>SEE? PROOFS! THESE ARE PROOFS OF CORRUPTION.
>Russia? Our guys investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing. It was very quick, too. Super efficient.

>>64106501 (OP)
nothingburger, politicians going after each other

>>64106501 (OP)
Fucking lmao.

>makes a fuckton of defense procurements like it's 1960's cold war
>just now people are starting to wonder how they're gonna afford all that

People hyped Poorland for nothing;

>>64106501 (OP)
>Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz
How many last names does one man need. Its like the opposite of Americans, who think that two first names is just fine as a given name.

>>64106501 (OP)
Almost every arms contract ever made involves some sort of corruption.
I don't know in what world you come from but in this one, this is standard practice everywhere.
It's not even a secret at this point.

5 Stages of grief:
>>64106576
Denial.
>>64106640
Anger.
>>64107077
Bargaining.
>>64107176
Depression.
>>64107209
Acceptance.

>>64107341
lmao

>>64106501 (OP)
Yep, this was to be expected. Germs are mad at PiS for buying Korean and U.S. but not their shit. So, they ordered Tusk to punish PiSdy for cockblocking their hardware expansion into Poland billions worth in losses for German MIC.

P.S. Called it immediately after PiS lost in 2023.

>>64107341
geg

>>64107417
>nooo you have to let us be corrupt!
>nooo you can't force us to have public tenders!
>noooo you can't investigate why the money is going to single individuals who were in charge of the whole thing and were supposed to be superpartes.
This investigation comes from Poland, not Germany.

>>64106501 (OP)
PO is trying to find way to sabotage K2 so they can buy Leopards instead (estimated arrival date 23rd century)

>>64107480
>arrival date 23rd century
Why didn't they set up a licensed Leo 2 factory when they were buying those tanks?

>>64107569
Germoids weren't selling that, while Worst Korea offered full tech transfers.

>>64107467
in several months the probe will be closed and nothing will come out of this, the current government has been repeating this exact trope tens of times in the past 2 years

>>64107591
>Germoids weren't selling that
We were. We literally sold Italy almost 500 Phanters KF-51 which have even more sensitive tech than the Leo together with 1000 IFV and they will be jointly produced in Italy under a JV.

>>64107467
tusk servers germany, not poland, there are literally videos of him bowing to merz

>>64107599
That's because Poland is a corrupt shithole.
>>64107602
That's only because Leonardo has agreed to some technological exchange, while Poland doesn't even have an industry that has any kind of technology worth exporting. They are just buyers like Greece.

>>64107602
Poland was trying to get anything as fast as possible, we gave away most of our tanks to ukraine. From what I read the leopards have a long waiting list. Besides why would we want to support germany and if we did, would we get the same deal knowing that germany hated PiS?

>>64107624
>Poland was trying to get anything as fast as possible,
Which is always dumb, and since they are poles they tried to line their pockets on top of that. Same retardation that led them to acquire in the same transaction the FA-50 which is yet another shitshow in itself.
>germany hated PiS
anyone with a brain hates a blatantly corrupt party made up of populist hackjobs who can score votes only with the lowest IQ members of society.
>why would we want to support germany
And poles wonder why nobody considers them europeans. yet they cry when we block their EU gibs that literally prop up their ex soviet shithole.

>>64107655
you mean that EU gibs that were funding yachts for families of current pro-EU governament? Also my "shithole" is actually getting better not like your 0.2% gdp gain estimate. I don't think that PiS is a good party, but for sure better than the current one.

>>64107655
And yes, poland and literally every country is some kind of corrupt, but we call that lobbying. That sig deals that US made is not corruption?

>>64107341
>Acceptance
no, it's called following the news and knowing history.
or you can just ask chatgpt
if we knew about russia, the list would probably 10x longer

>>64107702
>denial and anger
lol
>ask chatgpt
LMAO. Fucking zoomers.

>>64107655
>EU gibs that literally prop up their ex soviet shithole.
It's honestly absurd why we even let them in the EU in the first place.

>>64107749
>denial
denial of what?
I'm literally telling you every country/industry does this.
are you ok Ivan?
>Fucking zoomers.
I wish I was a zoomer. don't you have chatgpt in russia Ivan?
did your shitty workplace block it?

>>64107702
You literally just proved his point. When you mention to Russians about something they did that was wrong they will always retort with whataboutism, which is what you just did for the second time. Proving that all slavs are the same.

>>64107762
>implying I'm a russian
lmao

>>64107765
I don't care.
every country does this. russia, china, the USA, the EU... everybody.
>Proving that all slavs are the same.
I'm not a slav fucking retard.
>>64107773
then you are a cluless retard from somewhere else.
congratulation.

>>64107779
>I don't care.
I accept your defeat
>everybody does this
if everybody shat their pants, would you do the same?

>>64107784
>if everybody shat their pants, would you do the same?
if shitting my pant gave me a billion dollars , yes I would.
you are really a cluless retard aren't you?
let me guess, you think business is done by nice and honest people?

>I accept your defeat
are you a child? I hope you are. anybody above the age of 20 should know a tiny bit about real life business.

>>64107624
>Poland was trying to get anything as fast as possible

>>64107624
>would we get the same deal knowing that germany hated PiS?
Nta, but krauts are pragmatic so probably yes, provided PiS didn't send a retard for the negotiations because they were well aware the whole hating germany was just a gimmick to garner votes from boomers/ gullible idiots

>>64107794
>if shitting my pant gave me a billion dollars
moving the goalpost
>you are really a cluless retard aren't you?
No you are. You're trying to justify your country being a corrupt shithole by claiming everybody is just as corrupt as you. Literally the definition of whataboutism.
It would be like South Africa saying rampant murders and robberies were a non issue since even in Switzerland they have those.
You're just an underaged retard that can only formulate a tought with the help of ChatGPT.
>are you a child?
Every accusation is a admission. You argue exactly like a teenager trying to sound deep and smart.

>>64107760
EU was supposed to help trade between countries, not give away money or make new laws

>>64107702
>just ask chatgpt
Do people really? We are so fucked.

>>64107827
god damn you are a cluless retard and probably a 20yo edgy kid.
if you are from the US, it would be very funny considering corruption is basically legal there.

>>64107840
I'm sorry I don't have a list of all corruption cases in my mind at all times. do you?
and I'm sorry if you can't adapt to the modern world.

>>64107806
I doubt they would give a reasonable price, there were discussions about buying germans and then they refused tanks being built in poland, I don't know if anything changed in the meanwhile. I know nothing about tanks, but I doubt germans are so much better that we should be accepting a bad deal

>>64107857
>god damn you are a cluless retard and probably a 20yo edgy kid.
>if you are from the US, it would be very funny considering corruption is basically legal there.
Again, no arguments, just vain posturing because you're too much of a kid to admit you are wrong.

>>64107797
The deal was made when ukraine was in the beginning of the war, we didn't know that russia was so incompetent. If russia invaded Poland, do you think that NATO would help? I mean boots on ground, not just sending weapons. We have to have means to protect ourselves

>>64106501 (OP)
Should have bought German

>>64107864
>you are wrong.
lmao, wrong about what exactly? that arms deals always have some sort of bribery around them?
sure maybe not 100% of the time but 50%+ definitely
picrel: a long list of things that doesn't exist accoding to you genius.

>>64107874
>If russia invaded Poland, do you think that NATO would help? I mean boots on ground, not just sending weapons.
Yes? it's literally the purpose of NATO you retard. You literally have US soldiers stationed in Poland and other EU fighting wings routinely doing air patrols in your country.

>>64107880
>moving the goalpost again to ignore how you literally don't have a single argument.
I already have accepted your defeat, underaged kid. No need to further embarass yourself.
>sure maybe not 100% of the time but 50%+ definitely
Damn, you quickly went from EVERYONE ALWAYS BRIBES to 50% in just a couple of posts. You're easily impressionable huh?

>>64106564
Lol
What the fuck does that even make Congress??

>>64107880
>picrel: a long list of things that doesn't exist accoding to you genius.
>https://community.openai.com/t/concerning-lying-behavior-from-chatgpt/1101650
>https://canny.io/blog/get-chatgpt-to-stop-lying/
>https://community.openai.com/t/chatgpt-lies-hallucinates-not-following-promts/1163210

>>64107903
damn you are one angry kid.
it's ok kiddo, we are all angry when we first learn about the real wolrd... at 14 generally.

>>64107912
yes I'm sure chatgpt just invented everything.
read this then:
https://gfintegrity.org/corruption-in-the-global-arms-trade-an-overview/
or this:
https://caat.org.uk/challenges/the-arms-trade/corruption/

>>64107886
and you really believe that they would not turn back on us? Brits and french did once, white germans don't want to fight for their own country and new germans don't really care either

>>64107912
>>64107953
or this:
https://worldpeacefoundation.org/blog/arms-trade-corruption-what-do-we-know/
or this:
https://www.epsjournal.org.uk/index.php/EPSJ/article/view/332/361

damn all those articles and pappers talking about how arms trade is the most corrupt business in the world.
must be all fake I'm sure.

>>64107917
>damn you are one angry kid.
Hey, we're on /k/, feel free to prove you're not a kid in the traditional way. I'll go first.
>>64107985
>>64107953
So, once again your only argument is the same nigger tier argument of "mastah mastah me good even if me kill cause others kill too mastah!"

>>64107878
The Germans should make tanks that aren't shit first.

>>64107976
>and you really believe that they would not turn back on us?
You're too branwashed by the PiS to have a serious conversation with.
> Brits and french did once
When was Poland ever invaded and had invoked article 5?

>>64107985
Nta, but
>The 'typical' pattern we tend to have of arm trade corrupotion was of a 'western' company bribing a 'third world' country to secure a deal.
is high misleading to the point of being borderline wrong. They are just known because western nations and their media acutally investigate this kind of corruption a lot more compared to everyone else.

>>64107857
>I'm sorry I don't have a list of all corruption cases in my mind at all times. do you?
You can just use a search engine to find sources for relevant cases, as people have been doing for decades now.
The problem with LLMs is that they have a tendency to make shit up and present it as fact if they don't know the answer, which makes them unreliable to learn information from, because the only way to identify if it's telling the truth is to already know the answer, or to look it up on a search engine anyway (making it redundant).

>>64107985
>>64107953
>>64107917
>>64107880
Your own sweetheart says you're just running away from the debate.

>>64108029
And Chatgpt shits again the bed considering what the little pole has been doing would be better classified as a variation of whataboutism called "Tu quoque"

>>64107467
>>nooo you have to let us be corrupt!
EVERYONE is "corrupt", bribes are the norm in MIC lobbying, especially in the U.S. Welcome to earth 1-day old kid.
>>nooo you can't force us to have public tenders!
Especially the ones that are skewed towards German interests from the get-go, like they usually are under Tusk's rule. Like when it comes to infrastructural tenders like e.g. highways, where mostly German companies won during Tusk's previous reign, even if German company offers were lot more expensive (Poland's highways were the most expensive per km in whole of EU btw, mostly built by Germans).
>>noooo you can't investigate why the money is going to single individuals
You can, but it's hypocritical because it goes the same way on the other side of the fence as well. It's just "bad because OUR side didn't get the military deals; bad because WE didn't get said bribes from our foreign masters/sponsors".
>This investigation comes from Poland, not Germany.
You went FULL RETARD.
https://youtu.be/AwICmvGya64

>>64108062
>EVERYONE is "corrupt", bribes are the norm in MIC lobbying, especially in the U.S. Welcome to earth 1-day old kid.
see >>64108052 >>64108029

>>64108001
and would you go and die for not your country? I would not die for ukraine honestly. And getting back to the topic, apart from K2 we have more tanks and these tanks are not gonna change between winning and loosing if we were invaded, so why are you angry that we didn't buy german?
funny captcha

>>64108062
>You can, but it's hypocritical because it goes the same way on the other side of the fence as well
it's literally not. You're too much of a kid to understand that.

>>64107655
>we block their EU gibs that literally prop up their ex soviet shithole.

>>64108075
>and would you go and die for not your country?
Yes, if they are a NATO member.
>I would not die for ukraine honestly
Neither would I, as I would enlist to kill russians.
>And getting back to the topic
no, your argument was baseless about nobody wanting to die for poland, tried claiming a precedent that didn't exist.

>>64108062
>EVERYONE is "corrupt", bribes are the norm in MIC lobbying, especially in the U.S.
Again, this is wrong. You only know about those because they actually get looked into.

>>64108102
literally every statistics proves otherwise. And you're too dumb to understand that what he said was an euphemism regarding how Germany being the biggest net contributor is a positive thing for our economy due to it being akin to a ROI.

>>64108106
>Yes, if they are a NATO member.
interesting, I have few germans friends and if I tried talking to them anything war they would be ashamed and change topic, also on the Internet germans are against fighting, even for their own country.

>>64107760
>It's honestly absurd why we even let them in the EU in the first place.
See >>64108102
To get access to Poland's market and hostile takeover its companies and resources due to corrupt and traitorous ex-commie politicians (many of them crypto-kikes), as per the Rockefeller-Jaruzelski agreement in 1985. The U.S., Germany and France looted Poland well since the 1990s.

>>64108000
Then why are you buying Cuckrean?

>>64107992
Looks like you made him run away

>>64107760
Also, pic rel.
>>64108086
PLEASE, when one Polish company tried to buy ONE German newspaper few years ago, then a politician from the Bundestag screeched about that and blocked that purchase saying it's dangerous to German interests, but Germans buying up like 70% of Polish local newspapers since the 1990s is fully OKAY???
>>64108107
Yeah, suuure.

>>64108120
Just stfu.

>>64108150
>>64108146
>Also, pic rel.
Yours is from 2017, mine from 2021... lol
Also, You do realize the picture you posted both show how Germany is a net contributor and Pooland a net recepient? Can you read?
>PLEASE, when one Polish company tried to buy ONE German newspaper few years ago, then a politician from the Bundestag screeched about that and blocked that purchase saying it's dangerous to German interests, but Germans buying up like 70% of Polish local newspapers since the 1990s is fully OKAY???
Does Germany need to protect your own newspapers? It's not our fault if you'd sell your own moms for a bottle of vodka.

>>64108146
>Yeah, suuure.
How would you know about f.e. chinese bribery in a weapon deal? How many of the weapon trades involve bribery, how man don't? You can't say because there are many still unknown? Then how come you can say its the norm and the US is the worst?

>>64108129
Nah, he's still here having a meltdown, but he's an underaged kid so he can't post any guns. It's absolutely H I L A R I O U S. Poles are fragile as fuck.

>>64107624
>Poland was trying to get anything as fast as possible
And it backfired immediately. Look at the FA-50, it's not just delays, the Poles finally caved and were forced to buy new-old stock 1980s AIM-9Ls even though they operate AIM-9X just to give their FA-50s literally any kind of weapon because the gooks were massive kikes. They refuse to integrate either AIM-9X or AIM-120 unless someone else pays for the integration, so the entire Block 20 program is currently dead in the water because gooks refuse to pay to upgrade their own planes. It's pretty funny how quickly they went from touting Poland as this major export success between that and K2PL domestic production being dead in the water. The only time it's still brought up is when Korea delivers a handful of K2s or K9s that were initially slated for ROKMC service, but swiped away to meet delivery requirements. Meanwhile the ROKMC is still operating M48s.

>>64108157
well we elected a new president that says he won't bow before germany, we will see how it ends up

>>64108157
>Yours is from 2017, mine from 2021... lol
So what? Poland's population is basically the same as in 2017. Again, PER CAPITA, Poland receives the EU average. But at what costs? Loosing independence towards the EU/Germany and being bought up and becoming basically a German/French colony.

>>64108208
>More recent data is useless because I say so!
>okay, ignore the data I posted literally proves I am wrong! I just want to post graphs to sound smart!
Do you have a diagnosed mental retardation?

>>64107181
Probably styles himself as coming from an old noble family with one of the names being the family crest.

>>64108217
>>More recent data is useless because I say so!
You completely missed the point, like the smooth brained retard you truly are.

>>64108175
I mean, they are basically russians. So there's that.

>>64108223
That blow was too low.

>>64108222
>You completely missed the point
No, you literally made no point. Germany contributes more € in total and per capita than Poland, by a long shot. Want the evidence? see your own graphs. Or better yet, see THE MOST RECENT stats where it shows just how much more of a leech Poland became in recent years. You can't ignore the data if it doesn't suit your viewpoint.

>>64108231
It's accurate tho. I have worked with czechs and they are normal people, but russians and poles are 2 sides of the same coin. Dumb, violent, drunk on the clock etc.
And worst of all extremely emotional. They can't take criticism to save their lives (or their country)

>>64108236
>No, you literally made no point.
Yep, you're retarded, period.>>64108236
>how much more of a leech Poland became in recent years.
Germany >>64108102 is the biggest leech and benefittor of the EU/€ scheme of them all.

>>64108231
But not entirely untrue, a huge bunch of Polish patoconservatives are ziggers at heart. They screech ang moan about muh Polish independence and values but would turn us into second pidorstan milliseconds after getting absolute power.

>>64106564
>investigating blatant corruption is the bare minimum. the fact that such obvious corruption happens and will not be punished like every other time is what makes a country a corrupt shithole.
Laughs nervously in Clinton's uranium one deals, Bill Clinton and his Whitewater Realestate trust settling $78 million (485 million nowadays) for 1 million, Hunter Biden's short art career and short pardon vending career, or Bushes short stint as being lobbies hard by Karl roves (endorsed Kamala Harris and got paid by the campaign) logistics company that fed me shitty prison food for 18 months of my life.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, SIG crying nervously in the corner.

>deal made by most corrupt goverment since fall of iron curtain is suspicious
katoliban and its consequences have been a disaster for the polish state

>>64108246
>Germany is the biggest leech and benefittor of the EU/€ scheme of them all.
Anon, once again, you're too dumb to even understand euphemisms. see >>64108120
Please, stop embarassing yourself.
Let's change argument; how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>64108231
But it's true. They are literally a Russian rape breed.

>>64108251
Uh, is ziggerism genetic?
It's kinda wild to me that the modern media will do all of these absurd arguments about genetics and behavior then tell me the crime I have in my area is purely socioeconomic impacts

>>64108245
>>64108251
No need to insult all poles just because you have one of the retards here. He is one disingenuous motherfucker though.

>>64108259
He ain't wrong. RiP German industry.

>>64108259
>you're too dumb to even understand euphemisms. see >>64108120
You're actually fucking stupid, and please, stop making up retarded strawmans just to attack them right after, makes you really dumb.

>>64108272
I know, but my experience with poles has honestly made me bitter. I know full well not everybody is the same, I just understand why they say that stereotypes are earned tho.

>>64108190
AIM-9X integration is in progress and is delayed only by a few months, older AIM-9s were leased and bought to finish pilot training and qualification right now instead of late 2027

>>64107917
>>64108062
Come on, poole. Post a gun
>>64108279
>AIM-9X integration is in progress and is delayed only by a few months
They've been saying that since late 2023

>>64108278
I have contradicting experiences, hence why i called him a disingenuous motherfucker. I doubt he is even accepted by other poles.

>>64108277
>strawmans
Jesus, you don't even understand what a strawman is. Again, please stop embarassing yourself. But just to prove a point, please answer my question about breakfast.

>>64108276
Russia has lots of crypto-Russian agents in German politics, by the courtesy of the phantom DDR (see Merkel or Schröder). Russia basically used their green funded environmentalist shill groups to psyop the German society into closing their nuclear power, in combination with the NordStream deals, to make Germany even more dependent on Russian energy. It has backfired spectacularly in Germany's face after 2022.

>>64106643
Didn't they just elect an "ex-mafioso" as their president?? Like he used to be a pimp and a loanshark or something?

>>64108255
>SIG crying nervously in the corner.
SIG has protection due to pic rel.

>>64108313
The entire eco movement was funded and promoted by LBJ, the best USA president for Israel in written history.
Kek.

Interesting. This has great conclusions for my 60% diverse town.

>>64108287
most poles that emigrate to germany are minimum wagies and usually are rude. I make more here after taxes than I would in germany and Poland is cheaper. He is right tho about EU killing our industry and most of the EU funds are send back to german companies via dubious contracts

>>64108335
>LBJ
>Johnson was influenced in his positive attitude toward Jews by the religious beliefs that his family, especially his grandfather, had shared with him.
Wasn't he Jewish?

>>64108348
>most of the EU funds are send back to german companies via dubious contracts
Source?

>>64108348
No, not the way he says it and makes it look.

>>64108358
Here, stupid >>64108102

>>64108363
Once again you literally prove you cannot fucking read. Under a certain IQ you canno comprehend euphemisms and can only understand everything in a literal way.

>>64108359
Yes, and Germany does it in white gloves by the hands of their puppets from Tusk led Civil Platform, which was been funded by Germany CDU since the 90s, as the right hand of Merkel once admitted on German TV station ZDF.

>>64108363
Have you actually read what he said and understood it?

>>64108358
https://www.money.pl/gospodarka/ustawa-wiatrakowa-ma-ratowac-niemiecki-przemysl-eksperci-o-oskarzeniach-premiera-6969076243106688a.html we are getting debt that we have to pay by 2058 called KPO, and some of that funds are going to be spend on german (probably siemens) windmills

>>64108363
>receive free money
>complains
Jesus fuck poles are niggers

>>64108380
>and some of that funds are going to be spend on german (probably siemens) windmills
>some of that funds
>some

>>64108372
Are you >>64108348?

>>64108381
it's not free tho, some of that is cheap long term debt, they are trying to stop the money until we take the new brown germans

>>64108371
>>64108378
You idiots clearly don't understand what ROI is.

>>64108356
Honly honorary. Wouldn't be surprised tho. Nearly every single thing he did kicked off the roots to grow intp the clown world of today.
Thread quality took a massive shit.

>>64107840
It's a tool you retard, a fancy search, why wouldn't you use a smarter search?

>>64108386
nope
>>64108385
jesus it's an example, do you want me to spend my evening making a powerpoint presentation?

>>64108390
>receive and ACCEPT basically free money
>complains
Jesus fuck poles are niggers.

>>64108391
You mean everyone actually profits from it? Oh god no, someone stop the EU!

>>64108396
Because it routinely makes shit up

>>64108398
yes, because I am a politician in charge in anything, I voted for party against that money

>>64108284
because that's when the delays began

>>64108028
did you know you can teach it rules and one could be SOURCE EVERYTHING so you can check? Nope.

>>64107976
Poland can fuck Russia anyway and yes, we are bailing your ass out.

>>64108276
Germany has been dead a few times already and always came back. The current situation is a good cleansing process to become more nationalistic again and get rid of leftist politics and the focus on external matters.

>>64107912
YOU CAN FIGURE OUT IT'S LYING YOU RETARD

>>64108409
Did you actually check everything though?

>>64108409
>SOURCE EVERYTHING
nigger, chatgpt already has sources listed by default for everything you ask it about. The issue is that it will list a fucking source page where it says X amount of Y were built but tell you they built a completely made up number. What is the point if you have to check everything afterward?

>>64108420
Ideally, but we shall see.
Much more dangerous times now that they've ethnically replaced themselves AND destroyed cheap and available energy to the point of BMW moving plants out of the country.

New wrinkle in the same old story

>>64108423
>AItard coping
why would I want to use a tool that constantly lies?

>>64108418
you mean 1v1? we have 155mm ammo for a week of war, only country that could do 1v1 against russia is US. There are plans if Russia invaded and we have about the time needed for NATO to come and help us

>>64108404
Yes, Germany mostly benefits from said EU gibs, except less when PiS is in power, because then they try to avoid giving to many tender contracts to Germany, unlike Tusk who wants to give everyone to his DE uber alles team. That's what the whole "rule of law" ordeal was really about, to block EU gibs and force change of the government so team DE would be in power again and do the bidding of German/Brussels politicians again, even if it comes at the expense of Polish interests.

>>64107992
>underage poolack acts up
>gets asked to post gun
>disappears
Based.

>>64108446
It's not as black and white like you want to make it look. Btw you made no mentions of the other nations in the EU that have to finance Poland at their own expenses. You aren't interested in the truth, you just want to be angry.

>>64108446
>except less when PiS is in power
So instead of having a fair economical relationship with Germany you'd rather have corrupt sellouts at the reign who will make poland poorer than it was under communism just to own the Germans whose economy will go on as if nothing happened?
That's like cutting your dick off because you're mad with your wife.

>>64108446
Wait, are you PiStard?

>>64108479
current "let's have good relationship with germany" governament literally corrupted bunch of money for yachts like 2 days ago. The choice we have is some corruption which is PiS vs a shitload of corruption which is currect governament

>>64108491
hell nah, the PiS corruption is in another realm completely, even for Poland standards.

>>64108499
okay Wania

>>64108491
>>64108507
Why dont you ask your LLM how corrupt PiS is and what their 10 biggest corruptions were?

>>64108467
No, I’m fairly consistent, even thought I remind of PO(o) being German puppets, I also stress the fact, that PiS(s) are U.S./Israeli shills. Both of said parties are ready to ignore and/or offer up Polish interests if they clash with their masters (Germans, or American/Jewish) interests.

P.S. I should add Ukrainian interests to the mix after the Podkarpacie affair too.

>>64108518
I am not the chat gpt guy. Man I wish there were at least flags here, I wonder if there are any jewish or russian here

>>64108479
>you'd rather have corrupt sellouts at the reign who will make poland poorer
You’re actually describing PO/Tuskists very well here. They somehow managed to be worse than the PiSdas.

>>64108518
No one needs to do that, there are enough news articles about it:
https://wiesci24-pl.translate.goog/2018/11/08/lista-100-afer-pis-solidarnej-polski-oraz-polski-razem-oto-obraz-dwoch-rzadow/?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true
>A list of almost 1,300 unresolved scandals during the PiS and Sovereign Poland governments
>– from 2015 to today –
>UPDATE 9/08/2025

>>64108522
I agree, but PO is more german dog than PiS is us/israeli dog, but I still vote the third way so Konfederacja

>>64108499
You clearly have no clue what’s happening in Poland right now.

>>64108533
>https://wiesci24-pl.translate.goog/2018/11/08/lista-100-afer-pis-solidarnej-polski-oraz-polski-razem-oto-obraz-dwoch-rzadow/?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true
you call those scandals? bruh, most of those are such a non issue

>>64108551
Are all?

>>64108490
No, I hate POPiS, but objectively PiS had more infrastructural and investment projects planned than PO - which likes to block, halt, change said projects: like halt S. Korean nuclear plant, decrease the scope of CPK or destroy Izera car factory. So in terms of investments and economic growth, PiS is better overall, but both parties are bad from a sovereignty point of view, both are not ideal and bad in different ways.

>>64108557
honestly the KO does similiar things, like this: Biedroń was beating his mother. KO has so much more and only in 1 year of ruling vs 8 years

>>64108572
Answer the question.

>>64108557
PO used pegasus against PiS. This shit is so funny, literally everything here is the same that KO did, but what they did was way worse

>>64108538
Yep, I agree, same.

>>64108571
That maybe your opinion, but you ain't gonna convince anyone with anything if you jump in for such an idiot as we have him in this thread and just say he is right with no real further context and only provide it when you are pressured. Seriously, what are you thinking?

>>64108578
I am not reading 1300 sentences. The first 100 are non issue to me COMPARED to coalition

>>64108551
>>64108572
>>64108586
I don't think you understand how pathetic this makes you look.

>>64108598
oh no my studs, they really tried to push everything on PiS. So which country are you from?

>>64108597
Understandable, but reading 50, then cherrypick three out of it and act like it is all nothing isn't really looking like an argument, more like grasping straws. PiS is far from being non corrupt like pretty much every populist party, but you would know that if you actually had any political knowledge or experience. But enough of stuff you already had displayed repeatedly.

>>64108612
I accept your concession.

>>64108615
I literally said that Poland is corrupt like 3 times in this post. Never said it wasn't, I am just saying that PiS is slightly better than PO, but reading is hard, right?

>>64108615
>PiS is far from being non corrupt like pretty much every populist party,
But again, PO is even MORE CORRUPT, period.

>>64108624
>I literally said that Poland is corrupt like 3 times in this post.
Where?
>Never said it wasn't, I am just saying that PiS is slightly better than PO, but reading is hard, right?
Then actually provide something for your claim. Jesus fucking Christ, its almost like you want me to carry your ass as hard as you drag it through this discussion.

>>64108615
somebody post that meme that a black dude is comparing crime black/white crime statistics per capita and saying "but white kill too"

>>64108208
go back to kwejk faggot

>>64108644
But again, you are even more wrong, period.

>>64108669
>go back
But how, when I never used it? But thanks for the suggestion anyway.

>>64108645
kurwa typie tyle razy ci pisalem, afera pegazusa, afera z trzaskowskim ze dostawal kase od amerykanskich demokratow podczas wyborow, trzaskowski dajacy kase na ten antypolski film zielona granica, kasa z KPO ktora poszla na jachty, przejecie TVP tylko po to zeby umiescic swoich ludzi tam i tyle samo kasy pakowac, to ze jak jedna babcia owsiakowi cos wyslala i chcieli ta babcie do paki wyslac, afera z tym ze niemcy nie przysylali imigrantow, afera ze politycy PO wysylali ludzi zeby przeszkadzac strazy granicznej, wysylanie zolnierzy na przymusowe ogladanie Zielonej granicy

>>64108674
No, I'm not, faggot. You simply know jack shit about Polish politics and how perfidious Tuskists are.

>>64108467
>>64108479
>>64108490
>>64108518
>>64108522
>>64108533
>>64108551
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>>64108683
No wonder thread quality is shit. An entire weapons board composed of the opinions of no gun europoors makes wonderful content.

Fucking hell

>>64108684
Nuhu, you are wrong, period.
Don't like it? Maybe don't act like that in the first place.

>>64108683
Amber Gold, OFE, highways, writing laws to specifically accommodate used up Siemens wind turbines from KPO etc.

>>64108683
>kurwa
Stopped reading there.

>>64108701
zamknij morde ty żydzie niemyty

>>64108684
Maybe no one wants to know about polish politics because of people like you? No offense, but if i want a discussion like on /pol/ i'll just go to /pol/, which i don't because they all talk like ass.

>>64108679
my sides, will you deny posting this shit several times before again?

>>64108692
No, it's objectively correct, that PO is more corrupt and has even more corruption affairs than PiS. Why did Tusk lose in 2015 to begin with, forgot?

>>64108717
>he still doesn't get it
I understand why you failed to convince anyone.

>>64108716
Huh? I found it from Google btw.

>>64108728
Blablabla, stfu.

>>64108691
it's a german/polish matter, why would anybody outside europeans talk about it?

>>64108251
>>64108272
>one of the retards here. He is one disingenuous motherfucker though.
Thats a straight zigger shill though, the retard posted well known polish ziggers before

>>64108747
>zigger shill
https://youtu.be/eQdiSpA8h60?list=RDeQdiSpA8h60

>>64108208
To be fair, Germany grocery chains are just better.

>>64108747
>posted well known polish ziggers before
Oh, LET ME GUESS, pic rel huh???
https://youtu.be/pCyC3w4CPFk
https://youtu.be/A9Kighr0Zg8

>>64108266
Its some kind of blight spread by contact, akin to an infectious skin rash.

>>64108062
>Like when it comes to infrastructural tenders like e.g. highways, where mostly German companies won during Tusk's previous reign
If it makes you happy the populist retards in Germany spouted how german money and companies are building infrastructure in Poland and this leads to higher costs for infrastructure and worse maintenance of the same in Germany. So lets just agree that idiots on both sides can make bold claims how a beneficial thing for both is actually such a bad thing until they are voted in.

>>64108405
You can't tell the difference?

>>64108427
What's the point of blindly believing search?

>>64108433
You use the internet don't you?
>>64108436
That's fine because Russia doesn't have even that or gas to get there or the ability to push trough ukraine to try.

>>64106501 (OP)
So basically the deal was made and then a small company made by Koreans in Poland 3 years prior got a fat paycheck, but like... how does this tie to anything? I don't get it.

>>64108729
still denying it you clown?
other Poles called you a jeet before, and it looks like they were right on the money you filthy dalit, why would you deny it otherwise?

>>64108906
>still denying it you clown?
Yes, I don't use kwejk, tard.
>other Poles called you a jeet before, and it looks like they were right on the money you filthy dalit,
KEK!

>>64108960
>>still denying it you clown?
>Yes, I don't use kwejk, tard.

So you admit posting this shit several times before?

>>64108960
It's very clearly you posting it with your random capitalization of words that you do.

>>64109034
>PIStard
Miss.

>>64109042
>konfederacja voter pretends konfederacja isn't just PIS autistic puppet

>>64107760
>ex soviet
Poland was never Soviet btw.

>>64109050
>Confederation of the Polish Crown
>PIS autistic puppet
KEK.
https://youtu.be/oQJlB33B8TA?t=1332

>>64109076
>jews jews jews
why did braun supported jewish puppet Nawrocki AFTER seeting about nawrocki being supported by jew from america that supported gay rights?

>>64109094
Because he was the lesser evil when compared to Trzaskowski - which in turn comes from a family of literal Jewish communist UBeks who executed Polish AK patriots during Stalinist times, except now he's LARPing as a demoliberal LGBTQ+Pedo loving faggot. Side by side, Nawrocki was the better deal for a traditionalist Catholic nationalist patriot by far, but no one saying he's ideal, no shit.

P.S. Also, relating to your initial greentext.
https://youtu.be/QzBqtk7fGU0