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Anonymous No.64112272 >>64112300 >>64112302 >>64112490 >>64112622 >>64113409 >>64113533 >>64113540 >>64114685 >>64115233 >>64115345 >>64117437 >>64121213
Greece To Choose South Korean Subs Instead of European
https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2025/south-korea-offers-kss-iii-submarines-to-greece-with-cruise-and-ballistic-strike-capabilities
>In late June, Greek Defense Minister Nikos Dendias announced that discussions would begin on a plan to acquire a new generation of submarines. He stressed the need for transparent management of public funds, emphasizing that every euro spent must be used responsibly. In practice, while modernization of the four Papanikolis-class submarines (Type 214 supplied by Germany) is planned, the objective would also be to replace older Type 209 units in the Poseidon, Okeanos, and Glavkos classes.

>For Athens, the challenge is to maintain a strategic balance against the Turkish fleet, which currently operates twelve submarines (Altilay, Gรผr, and Preveze classes) and is in the process of adding six new Type 214/TN units of the Reis class, along with domestic development programs such as MILDEN and Nรผkden. According to Ekathimerini, the Greek government sees this naval modernization plan as a way to preserve its advantage in the Aegean and Mediterranean seas in an increasingly competitive regional environment.

>The South Korean proposal, led by Hanwha Ocean, includes the modernization of the four Papanikolis submarines and the delivery of four KSS-III units, along with a technology transfer for local construction and a minimum 25 percent participation of the Greek defense industry, in line with new requirements from the Greek Ministry of Defense. The offer also contains two additional components: co-production of military vehicles and involvement of Greek industry in the development and manufacture of collaborative combat drones designed to operate alongside the KF-21 Boramae fighter aircraft produced by Korea Aerospace Industries.

Relationships between France and Greece has soured because Macron declined Greece's request to not sell Meteor to Turkey, so it'll choose KSS-III in retaliation.
Anonymous No.64112300 >>64112328 >>64112841 >>64114597 >>64117437 >>64117493
>>64112272 (OP)
How did you manage to jump from
>Greece started looking into updating/buing new subs two weeks ago
To
>Greece will buy Sork subs
?
Anonymous No.64112302 >>64112437
>>64112272 (OP)
>He stressed the need for transparent management of public funds, emphasizing that every euro spent must be used responsibly.
Anonymous No.64112328
>>64112300
Wait until you see the jump that comes next
Anonymous No.64112437
>>64112302
well it would be very suspicious if he hadn't said the platitudes
Anonymous No.64112490
>>64112272 (OP)
Well that's Greeces problem
Anonymous No.64112519 >>64112841
Korea and Greece are both signatories to Missile Technology Control Regime which bans tech transfer for missiles beyond 300 km range. It's unrealistic that Korea will violate this, particularly in relation to Turkey, with whom it maintains strong ties.
Anonymous No.64112541 >>64121234
>a minimum 25 percent participation of the Greek defense industry, in line with new requirements from the Greek Ministry of Defense.

Greece couldn't finalize military truck replacement project, because Greek industry can't even produce 25% of some basic utility truck. And apparently these trucks from 1960s will serve into 2040s
Anonymous No.64112622 >>64113860
>>64112272 (OP)
>poseidon
Is a badass name for a greek naval vessel. They should retire it for a Poseidon 2 because theyโ€™re never going to come up with a better name.
Anonymous No.64112841 >>64113167 >>64113393 >>64113612
>>64112300
Among the candidates, only KSS-III has VLS and armament to carry inside it. Also, they're offering Type 214 modernization which they're already working on with their own Type 214 fleets.
>>64112519
South Korea has already nullified MTCR regulations when it decided to export 500km ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia last year.
https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/south-korea-expands-missile-export-range-to-500km-for-middle-eastern-clients
>South Korea has decided to extend the range of its export missiles from 300 kilometers to 500 kilometers in response to requests from Middle Eastern countries, as reported by The Korean Economic Daily. This decision follows a recent National Security Council (NSC) meeting chaired by the Office of the President of South Korea. Military industry sources indicate that this extension is aimed at addressing concerns raised by several Middle Eastern countries regarding the limited range of South Korean multiple rocket launchers, including the K239 Chunmoo.
Anonymous No.64113167 >>64113426
>>64112841
>VLS
there it is, he can't help it
Anonymous No.64113393 >>64113412 >>64113426
>>64112841
>The Chunmoo system, as configured for Poland, has a maximum range of 290 kilometers due to MTCR restrictions. However, following the NSC decision, South Koreaโ€™s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) is expected to approve modifications that would allow for increased missile range in exports. Experts believe South Korean defense companies will achieve this by reducing warhead weight, thereby extending range without violating international agreements.

>As tensions rise in the Middle East, particularly with the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict and the threat of broader regional conflict, extending the range of the Chunmoo system could allow it to strike deeper targets in Iran across the Persian Gulf.

So these godless gooks made a small exemption for gulf states, because Iran is a legit threat and a partner of Best Korea.. And this only applies for land launched rocket artillery.

I truly don't believe Worst Korea would sell submarines with ballistic missiles since this would be a total violation of MTCR.
Anonymous No.64113409 >>64113442
>>64112272 (OP)
Can Greece afford European subs?
Anonymous No.64113412
>>64113393
>godless
You are brown
Anonymous No.64113426 >>64113531
>>64113167
Help what?
>>64113393
A violation is a violation, no matter what the pretext is, Amigo.
Anonymous No.64113442
>>64113409
Euros don't like it when you use those weapons for wars.
Anonymous No.64113531 >>64113582 >>64114128
>>64113426
The cited article says that Poland only got 290 km range missiles, in conjunction with MTCR limitations.

But anyways. Godless gooks in south korean peninsula made a major mistake by participating Ukrainian-Russian conflict, now the norks have access to stuff from Russia. Once the fighting in Ukraine halts, Russia will make a visit to Korean peninsula accordingly. Monke doesn't forget.
Anonymous No.64113533
>>64112272 (OP)
Not surprising. Only euros want to buy European
Anonymous No.64113540
>>64112272 (OP)
Greece doesnโ€™t want to buy hardware with kill switches installed. Iโ€™m not surprised
Anonymous No.64113582
>>64113531
>Godless
What kind of god do you believe in you shitskinned scum?
Anonymous No.64113591 >>64113618
Greece truly pissed off about latest developments by Turkey such as submarine launched Atmaca and Gezgin missiles. Turkish submarines in Black Sea and Marmara Sea now can strike every point in Greece.
Anonymous No.64113612 >>64114110
>>64112841
>Among the candidates, only KSS-III has VLS and armament to carry inside it.
And you've read this RFP and seen that the VLS capability is a requirement?
>Also, they're offering Type 214 modernization which they're already working on with their own Type 214 fleets.
So something that TKMS could do as well?
Anonymous No.64113618 >>64113623 >>64115151
>>64113591
>pissed off
>about latest developments by Turkey
Greece will get its hands on F-35, whereas roaches can only dream of it due to erdogshit.
Anonymous No.64113623 >>64113637 >>64115151
>>64113618
F-35s are useless if their airbases are bombed.
Anonymous No.64113637 >>64113660
>>64113623
>their airbases are bombed
Which would be hard with F-35s protecting them.
Anonymous No.64113660 >>64113678 >>64115151
>>64113637
F-35s won't be able to stop ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

Turkish submarines alone hold capability to launch 150 cruise missiles in a short of period time. I don't even include land based systems or other surface vessels.
Anonymous No.64113678 >>64113770
>>64113660
>implying that in a state of war readiness the F-35s will be idling on the ground instead of preparing to retake Constantinople
Anonymous No.64113770 >>64115151 >>64115190
>>64113678
>in a state of war readiness

Truly a thing Greeks are known for. In reality, they can't even move their ultra expensive helicopters when floods come. lol
Anonymous No.64113818
Sublime.

With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the greek dolphin and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Ottoman bull, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of hellenistic powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler city-states of the world. With the blessings of Ottoman quantum TB-2 drones, quantum sub-lauched missiles, quantum M60 bodykits, and quantum enhanced watermelons will be the instruments with which TรœRKIYE affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-greco world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Athenian leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
Anonymous No.64113860 >>64113961
>>64112622
What about

Nautilus
Nemo
Gyroscopter
Boaty McBoatface

?
Anonymous No.64113961
>>64113860
2 Greek 2 Poseidon
Anonymous No.64114110
>>64113612
>And you've read this RFP and seen that the VLS capability is a requirement?
Greece is demanding land attack capabilities and without vls, you have to use torpedo tube to launch missiles which sacrifices its overall capability.
>So something that TKMS could do as well?
Sure it can, but it won't be as enticing as what the Koreans offer since Germany isn't operating any Type 214, which eliminates the economy of scale.
Anonymous No.64114128 >>64117308
>>64113531
>Godless
Not unless you're a mudslim
Anonymous No.64114597
>>64112300
It's the same pro-South Korea spammer that always does threads like this. Literally half his threads have a 'confirmation' in the title, but his own sources prove nothing is confirmed.
Anonymous No.64114632 >>64115420
I'm looking at /k/ and /ck/. Why do Koreans always advertise their own products?
Anonymous No.64114685
>>64112272 (OP)
Korean keeps trying to shill them to Canada as well
Anonymous No.64115151 >>64115419 >>64115455
>>64113618
>>64113623
>>64113660
>>64113770
Roaches need to pump out their vanity projects endlessly in order to keep the average plebs attentions from the crumbling economy they're facing right now.
Anonymous No.64115190 >>64115405
>>64113770
for fuck's sake, it would've been better to give those to khokhols
Anonymous No.64115233 >>64115297
>>64112272 (OP)
What lesson can we learn from Indonesia's defense trade with South Korea? South Korea has matured on aerospace industry, particularly jet fighter. But in terms of naval industry, Indonesia should be careful. Look at the fate of submarine Indonesia bought from South Korea.

South Korean allege that loss of Nanggala was due to Indonesian. Despite the fact that defects have been found in every single one of South Korea's locally built submarines, and since Indonesia become submarine operators in 1960s, it only had one catastrophic sub accident with the sinking of KRI Nanggala which was overhauled by.....South Korea in 2012

Indonesian no longer trust South Korean products after the loss of KRI Nanggala. Which DSME blamed on Indonesian until defects were found on ALL of ROKN's KSS II Type 214

Three of our newest Nagapasa-class submarine, which is made and its construction here in Surabaya is supervised by DSME of SK, cant even submerged let alone fire its torpedoes because of poor construction and material used by the SKan.

Never ever make deals with the South Korean shipyards. Just remember what had happened with Nanggala because of cheap MRO by DSMEโ€ฆ Those Korean made subs with fake labels of "Karya Anak Bangsa" are just scrappy toys.
Anonymous No.64115297
>>64115233
>KRI Nanggala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRI_Nanggala_(402)
>The cause of the sinking is presumed to be a power outage. Nanggala had experienced outages before but recovered successfully. Lt. Col. Heri Oktavian, who was killed in the incident, had previously voiced his frustrations about the maintenance of the ship; he claimed that the workmanship quality and maintenance services performed by state-owned naval dockyard PT PAL were unsatisfactory.

>be Indonesian submarine
>hasn't received any maintenance after a major overhaul in 2012
>captain stressed the lack of maintenance multiple times, all but quelled in the end
>ship eventually gives in and blame it all on a Korean ship builder even though it was the only case having a trouble out of all the ships it had taken in and no one else was willing to do an overhaul for a junk from the 70s.
Why are Indogs so shameless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vujd4b60eXA
Anonymous No.64115345 >>64115469
>>64112272 (OP)
>Kpop tops charts
>Kdrama tops Netflix
>Korean ships rules the waves
Bros, we're living in the Hwan century now. Senjeong the great is crying with pride
Anonymous No.64115405
>>64115190
Tell me about it
Anonymous No.64115419
>>64115151
Putin really saved them, or at least slowed the decline and cushioned the crash
Anonymous No.64115420
>>64114632
SorKs runu aan internet sctivist group, like China and Israel.
And unlike the Russian and Chinese bot farms or Indian scammers, they speak English and do not quite spam the exact same topic 12 times in a row.
Anonymous No.64115455
>>64115151
Aaaaany time now. 2 weeks tops.
Anonymous No.64115469
>>64115345
He's not crying with pride because he's dead.
Anonymous No.64115515 >>64116022
Denbt repayment status?
Anonymous No.64116022 >>64116031
>>64115515
>Denbt repayment status?
Greece bounced back from the crisis and it's now one of the best performing nations in EU.
Anonymous No.64116031 >>64116063
>>64116022
NAYRT, but while a budget surplus is nice and prudent, Greece has IINM literally the lowest GDP per capita of the entire Schengen + Nordics
they're not "best performing", they're prudently treading water, that's it

that said I think the entire world needs to adopt Greek-style austerity measures. just spend less. politicians won't do it because they've spent decades buying votes with gibs.
Anonymous No.64116063
>>64116031
Nah, Bulgaria is the lowest in Schengen. Romania and Croatia are also lower, but it's close. CBA to go find stats, but those I know for a fact.
Anonymous No.64117308
>>64114128
I love how this retarded graphic includes nork korea, as if their "opinions" (state mandated) mean anything.
Anonymous No.64117437 >>64117480
>>64112272 (OP)
>>64112300
>dirt poor nation, one of the poorest nations in all of Europe (most of it their own fault for basically getting the EU involved in their ponzi scheme which backfired when everyone realized it was bullshit)
>gravitates towards a functional homogeneous Asian country that can make good enough military hardware that's actually affordable and will arrive in months rather than waiting YEARS for a single Leopard tank or French sub all because Gustav and Bernard has to juggle between funding their MIC and Mohamed's welfare for his 10+ kids
Greeks are making the best of a shitty situation, they're deep in debt and their only revenue comes from the tourist economy and exporting olive oil an maggot cheese. They've basically got Bolivia tier funding.
Anonymous No.64117480 >>64117487 >>64117536 >>64117566
>>64117437
2023 Bolivia defence funding: 644.28 USD

2023 Greece defence funding: 7.73 billion USD

It's roughly the same as Finland's. Now the Fins are probably more efficient with it because they have significantly less corruption, but yeah, not even close.
Anonymous No.64117487
>>64117480
>644.28 USD
Million, that is.
Anonymous No.64117493 >>64117513
>>64112300
>sork
Ah yes, Sorth Korea
Anonymous No.64117513
>>64117493
>Sorth Korea
There's a flag for it somewhere
Anonymous No.64117536 >>64117566 >>64117572
>>64117480
Aging population is the biggest problem. Greece has one of the oldest population globally. They already have difficulties maintaining adequate numbers within the conscript-based military.
Anonymous No.64117566 >>64117572 >>64117612
>>64117480
>>64117536

https://greekreporter.com/2024/09/07/greece-pensioners-working-europe/

1/4 of country is pensioners. And they have youth unemployment of 20%. It's actually insane that the country still stays afloat.
Anonymous No.64117572 >>64117606
>>64117566
>>64117536
careful lads, janny's triggered when you remind him of the shitty greek economy
Anonymous No.64117606 >>64117639
>>64117572
This is PPP, though, here's the source.
https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/average-annual-wages.html

PPP is very problematic as a metric. I'm not saying Greece's economy is stellar but this is not the gotcha you think it is.
Anonymous No.64117612
>>64117566
>It's actually insane that the country still stays afloat.
You could have come in for such a W with a submarine joke.
Anonymous No.64117639 >>64117781
>>64117606
>PPP is very problematic as a metric
yep
>here's the source
I know
>this is not the gotcha you think it is
I was being kind; PPP favours Greece actually
the nominal figures are worse:

>https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/05/06/average-salaries-across-europe-which-countries-have-the-highest-pay
Anonymous No.64117781 >>64118101
>>64117639
PPP data place Greece well behind Romania, Poland, and even Hungary, though nominal figures show them much closer. How is this "worse"?

It's most likely Airbnb and property values tanking purchasing power as is usual in touristy places.
Anonymous No.64118101
>>64117781
>How is this "worse"?
PPP data puts the median Greek's salary at theoretically 2/3rds the American; nominal at 1/3rd
>It's most likely Airbnb and property values tanking purchasing power
rather, lack of exportable goods and services
at the end of the day that's what it all boils down to
Anonymous No.64121213
>>64112272 (OP)
>Euros
>Needing an army
Anonymous No.64121234
>>64112541
We are the true post-Soviet country.