Thread 64112690

>internal single action hammer
Why dont they make more of these?
>can have trigger dingus
>grip safety
>crisp single action trigger, no need to cope with strikershit
>no safety concerns of the strikershits
>can literally just have a hammer block thats only moved when the trigger is fully depressed
Meanwhile the only examples ive seen of this are the LCP line and shitty shield EZ no one liked

>>64112690 (OP)
LCP is DAO

fully-cocked strikers exist, retard. not every striker gun is a glock. an internal hammer SAO gun would just be a fully-cocked striker gun with more moving parts.
>safety concerns
not every fully-cocked striker gun is a p320 you paranoid faggot.

>>64112701
>DAO
this doesn't mean anything anymore after precocked guns like s&w and glock became popularized
>moves 1nm rearward
>OHH IT'S DAO!!!!!!!!! DAO!!!!!!!!!

>>64112847
>this doesn't mean anything anymore
NTA but, it means it has a long, heavy trigger pull rather than a light, short trigger pull.

>>64112701
>>64112847
LCP is not a double action. LCP/Glock/all the other polymer pistols using a modified Glock Safe Action system are not DAO. They are Safe Action pistols, with varying amounts of striker preload. DAO means the trigger fully cocks and releases the firing mechanism without additional actions on the part of the user, and that the striker/hammer cannot be held in a cocked position or manually actuated unless the trigger is pulled. Please try to normalize the use of the term Safe Action in reference to this type of firing action.

>>64113570
Anon, they were talking about the LCP, not the LCP II.

>>64113570
>DAO means the trigger fully cock
SAO you mean

>>64113570
there's nothing safe or special about glock action and it's functionally identical to any other single action trigger on the market.

no amount of glock shilling will change that fact.

>>64113544
none of the pistols in question have anything approaching a double action trigger in pull profile

>>64113748
>none of the pistols in question have anything approaching a double action trigger in pull profile
Really? Have you ever fired the original LCP? Felt the long heavy trigger pull? Opened it up to see the internal hammer that striker-fired guns don't have.

>>64112690 (OP)
internal striker polymer guns have caused more accidental discharges and unwanted kilings and riots than can be counted (due to court sealed documents)

fuck you glock legal and marketing

>>64113748
>it's functionally identical to any other single action trigger on the market.
You mean aside from the two actions that it performs? That's pretty unusual for a "single action" trigger.

>>64112690 (OP)
>and shitty shield EZ no one liked
I thought /k/ liked the shield ez. What's wrong with it.

>>64113874
>You mean aside from the two actions that it performs?
if le firing pin were to fall, it would still ignite the primer

>>64113748
>>64113685
>>64113626
The LCP utilizes a Safe-Action style firing mechanism. It is not double action, as pulling the trigger does not fully actuate the hammer/striker. The slide must be actuated manually. Pulling the trigger multiple times consecutively does not actuate the firing mechanism multiple times unless the slide is moved either by the recoil of the fired cartridge or by hand. No Safe-Action system is single action, nor are they double action. The trigger of a single action system only releases the sear. Pulling the trigger causes no backward movement of the hammer/striker at all, and imparts on energy to the mainspring. A Safe-Action system is also not a double action, as pulling the trigger does not fully cock the hammer/striker. Pulling the trigger of a Safe-Action system provides a partial rearward motion of the hammer/striker and releases the sear at the end of the trigger pull. Pulling it a second time does nothing, unless the slide has been actuated by either recoil or by hand. The Safe-Action is neither single nor double action. A 1911, a Luger, a Colt Navy revolver, and a Browning Hi-Power are all single action systems. The trigger only releases the sear, pulling it imparts no mechanical energy to the firing system. A S&W 642, CZ-75, Colt Double Eagle, and Beretta 92 are all double action. The trigger fully compresses the main spring, causes a rearward motion of the hammer/striker, and releases the sear. Safe-Action systems were first introduced in the Glock 17, and so named by their inventor (despite not being inherently safer than other actions). That is why I refer to them as Safe-Action systems. All Glock pistols, S&W Sigma/M&P, PSA Dagger, Ruger Security 9, Ruger LCP and LCP2 are all safe action pistols. The mainspring is mostly compressed by actuation of the slide, then pulling the trigger compresses it the last bit and releases the sear. Safe-Action is neither single nor double action.

>>64114424
The description of single action system should have read "imparts no energy" rather than "imparts on energy". Stupid autocorrect.

>>64114424
>The LCP utilizes a Safe-Action style firing mechanism. It is not double action, as pulling the trigger does not fully actuate the hammer/striker.
I understand that it has an internal safety system similar to a Glock's (trigger safety, a firing pin safety, and a drop safety), but it is not a striker-fired design. It works with an internal hammer. Hence the single-action vs double action discussion above.

>>64112690 (OP)
>internal single action hammer
To my understanding, the FN Reflex has a single-action hammer like you desire. No grip safety, though, due to the safe-action internal safeties the other guy keeps bringing up over and over and over and over and over...

>>64114510
LCP is neither single nor double action. Pulling the trigger finishes compressing the mainspring and releases the sear. The fact that the trigger compresses the spring means it is not a single action. It is also not a double action as pulling the trigger does not (and cannot) fully cock the hammer/ fully compress the mainspring. It would most accurately be described as a Safe Action system with an internal hammer. This is referred to as a "Pre-set Trigger" in some firearms literature I have encountered, I assume to differentiate it from striker-fired Safe Action systems. I will cease my autistic rant now.

>>64113874
every trigger performs two actions if you want to be pedantic, no sear releases the hammer without moving it. trying to sell a functionally single action trigger as some bogus "safe action" or double action is pure fraud.

>>64114553
>I will cease my autistic rant now.
You couldn't do that 4 posts ago? We are talking about hammer-fired guns; we (in this thread) are not here to obsess over striker safeties.

You could have made a thread about the safe-action design and been as autistic as you wanted there.

>>64114553
>>64114424
>>64113570
>3 identical posts insisting on the same exact nonsensical buzzword ignoring the content of the posts he replies to
AI or just a paid shill?

>>64114574
You're also unable to grasp that the pistol you are discussing is neither single nor double action. That's the problem. Single and double action have very specific technical definitions. Stop using wrong terminology and I won't have to repeatedly explain the difference. It's not about internal safeties. It's about the safe-action firing system that is neither single nor double action, and is used in the pistol you were discussing (Ruger LCP). I was 100% engaging with the content of the posts, specifically to explain that everyone involved was using the wrong terminology for the firing system. I don't see why no one can grasp that there is a third type of firing system, but rather insists on referring to it as either single or double action when it is neither.

>>64114576
>nonsensical buzzword
Look, another retard who can't grasp technical definitions, nor, on the absence of a generally accepted technical definition, accept the use of a branded trade term to define something. I suppose if I referred to every tissue as a Kleenex, or every cola as a Coke, you would make the same accusation?

>>64114603
>I don't see why no one can grasp that there is a third type of firing system
We are aware that there is a third type. The action you keep referring to is mostly about how the striker functions/engages. What we were talking about was the properties of the hammer.

Leave it to the 4chan retard to think that everyone is a retard except him. Getting 1v5 and he thinks he's winning anything.

BTW, you promised earlier that you'd cease your autistic rant, you lying shitter.

>>64112690 (OP)
Something like this?

>>64112690 (OP)
They still trickle into existence, like this and the RIA anon posted. The reason is probably space; it takes more room to get the hammer internal and they need to use a shorter life torsion hammer spring instead of a typical compression spring like most hammers and strikers. And for what benefit? If you want a smooth exterior they have bobbed hammers. Neither hammer nor striker preclude the use of either a firing pin block, a trigger mounted inertial safety, a grip safety or all three. Also hammer does not necessarily equal "crisp." The RIA is a stark example of that, it's so creepy it basically feels like a DAO. Also the Shield EZ is great why are you sperging

>>64112690 (OP)
Ruger actually has several internal hammer designs, IMO they kinda suck because they have a higher bore axis than needed and would be better off as striker fired with a FPB. They make larger .380s with it, a 9mm, and the 5.7 iirc.
>>64112701
>>64113570
>>64114424
>>64114510
Not sure what's going on here, but I've done a bit of research on the LCPs(wouldn't want to carry an unsafe design) on top of owning an lcp 2 and max. They are certainly not DAO or similar to the Glock safe action. LCPs are functionally SAO internal hammer fired designs without a firing pin block, there may be a tiny amount of not fully precocked going on but it doesn't practically matter. That's why the LCP gen 1 wasn't drop safe. They can and did go off when dropped. Unlike SOME companies however, Ruger actually addressed the issue. Specifically they added a secondary enlarged hammer catch on the sear and altered the geometry on the original engagement surface, if the gun is somehow jostled enough to slip the sear then the secondary hammer catch prevents it from falling all of the way unless the trigger has been pulled to the rear. Resistance to drop induced inertial firing via the firing pin is prevented by using a light weight firing pin and spring to arrest forward movement. It's a bit of a weird system but it does work, I have never heard of an LCP 2, Max, or post fix LCP drop firing.

Don’t talk to me or my son ever again

hating strikers is flavor of the year contrarianism.

>>64112690 (OP)
People would rather buy a P365 than an FN Reflex.

>>64113881
It’s for women and old people. There’s nothing wrong with that, but if you can open a pickle jar fine, maybe don’t get something that is made for the handicapped.

>>64117080
What in the fuck is this?

>>64112690 (OP)
Why bother making the hammer internal? External is better.

>>64114634
>technical definitions
>generally accepted technical definition
>branded trade term
the mentally deficient loser literally cannot stop repeating himself when peddling his brainwashed bullshit

>>64118026
are you too good for a pistol that women and elders can handle then?

>>64118027
Third Bay Ounce

>>64113881
>I thought /k/ liked the shield ez. What's wrong with it.
It is a well designed gun. I just don't want my carry piece to be a .380 ACP.

>>64118082
You're going to bring him back! He said he was going to end his autistic rant @64114553

>>64112690 (OP)
This is more or less how the Alien works.

>>64118088
No, but there are better options if you’re more able.

>>64112690 (OP)
FN reflex or the s&w equalizer are single actions, this belongs in QTDDTOT you retarded newfag

>>64112690 (OP)
But they make that doe see >>64118744

>>64118262
>You're going to bring him back!
Implying I ever left and have not just had this tab continuously open in my browser to autistically monitor responses to my previous posts.

>>64118082
I'm sorry you can't parse a sentence with more than one clause, nor grasp why repetition is necessary for clarity in written communication.

>>64118744
Damn fine pistol
Can't justify purchasing one, already have an RXM for that same size. But it just feels good anything you do with it

>>64112690 (OP)
FN FiveseveN has this as does the shield 5.7

>>64114576
Seems like an aggressive disinformation campaign, I don't know the identity of the perpetrator but can ascertain that their intention is sinister.

Behold, an internal hammer SAO.

>>64122634
>explains in detail the difference between single and double action, points out that there is a third system that doesn't have a common name, refers to it by the inventor's trade name for it.
Sinister forces! Disinformation!