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Anonymous No.64113488 >>64113528 >>64113592 >>64113613 >>64113619 >>64114374 >>64114449 >>64114488 >>64114675 >>64114764 >>64114921 >>64114962 >>64114981 >>64115032 >>64117003 >>64117093 >>64118769 >>64124564
Scar Hate
Why is the Scar hated when at least the heavy variant is the best semi auto 308/7.62 out there? It can shoot sub moa and take any quality of ammo reliably for thousands of rounds with no issues while weighing 8lbs. Better than the sr25 at the time and arguably many ar10s to this day. The only real issue is the price. If it was worth what FN sells it to 3rd world armies it would be the one of the best rifles on the market.
Anonymous No.64113524 >>64113557
le reciprocating charging handle and recoil make optics go bye bye
Anonymous No.64113528 >>64113557 >>64114421 >>64124204
>>64113488 (OP)
>kills optics
>suppressor voids warranty
>ugg boot stock
>nrch
Anonymous No.64113557 >>64113573 >>64114285 >>64114420
>>64113524
>>64113528
They don’t have reciprocating charging handles anymore and can handle acogs/elcans just fine.
Anonymous No.64113573 >>64113605
>>64113557
>anymore
Key word here. It took bitching and moaning from Americans to convince Belgians to "fix" the issue
Anonymous No.64113592 >>64113610
>>64113488 (OP)
>the heavy variant is the best semi auto 308/7.62 out there
lmao
Anonymous No.64113605 >>64113617 >>64114297
>>64113573
They could have just not choked down on the barrel while reddit clamping or changed the charging handle to the right side like an ak. Any problems it had at conception don’t compare to the ar platform. It hasn’t gotten anyone killed from my knowledge.
Anonymous No.64113610 >>64114763
>>64113592
>refuses to elaborate
Anonymous No.64113613
>>64113488 (OP)
We have better options now like the SFAR
Anonymous No.64113617 >>64114640
>>64113605
Reciprocating handles are gay and suboptimal.
Anonymous No.64113619 >>64114764
>>64113488 (OP)
Your mom takes thousands of low quality rounds.
volume of fire appreciator No.64114285
>>64113557
>They don’t have reciprocating charging handles anymore

"only" took them like 15 years
Anonymous No.64114297
>>64113605
If it's reddit to hold a gun right then you're retarded for willingly shooting a rifle wrong
Anonymous No.64114374 >>64115087
>>64113488 (OP)
>the best semi auto 308/7.62 out there?
That's not an HK417 though.
Anonymous No.64114415
>Claim
>Once valid critique
>Counter that critique is no longer valid
>"Well it was ONCE valid..."
Idgaf about the SCAR much but this is just blatantly being a goalpost shifting asshat.
Anonymous No.64114420 >>64114426
>>64113557
Scar thumb sucks. Fuck FN.
Anonymous No.64114421
>>64113528
>suppressor voids warranty

an intelligent person on this site said warranties are for if you get a lemon.
Anonymous No.64114426
>>64114420
>Scar thumb

how do you even hold a scar in a way that the handle hits you?
Anonymous No.64114449
>>64113488 (OP)
>It can shoot sub moa
It could not shoot sub-MOA when they first came out, it was so bad that designated marksmen were choosing the heavy as hell M14 over the SCAR. Accuracy-wise they were getting their ass kicked by the AR-10 and Bren 2 as well.
Anonymous No.64114488 >>64114560 >>64114841
>>64113488 (OP)
SCAR seethe has always been weirdly obsessive. Obviously it seems like price is a big component, since people glaze fuck out of the Bren which started life as a straight up Scar clone and people were happy to overlook its reciprocating charging handle and only now comment on it when the Bren 2 removed it; apparently because its 2 grand instead of 3500. But its not just "expensive thing bad", because nobody bitches about MR556s having the same pricing as Scar, in spite of being an overweight super overgassed piston AR and having carrier tilt problems for like a decade. Idk man, there's something about Scars that cut some people close to the bone, not just a fox and grapes thing but something personal.
Anonymous No.64114560 >>64114606 >>64114614
>>64114488
Maybe because what used to be a 5/10 battle rifle and is now a 7/10 is somehow treated like the second coming of Jesus Christ by FN fanboys. The problem can't be price because all battle rifles and designated marksman rifles are expensive by design.
Anonymous No.64114606 >>64115120 >>64115447 >>64115454
>>64114560
>eats any ammo unlike the ar10/sr25 nor do you have to slather it in lube to function
>light as fuck and better ergos compared to the m14 variants
>beats anything hk in reliability tests
>Doesn’t shoot out barrels like the xm7
>can still shoot sub moa
It’s an extremely good battle rifle it’s just that battle rifles are an outdated weapon in terms of advancement in body armor where you’re better off being able to send more rounds down range.
Anonymous No.64114614 >>64115120
>>64114560
barely anyone talks about the scar tho
Anonymous No.64114633 >>64114770
I like mine
Anonymous No.64114640 >>64117678
>>64113617
Literally a SOCOM requirement from the trials
They built it to their specs
Anonymous No.64114675 >>64114741
>>64113488 (OP)
>Why is the Scar hated
People can't afford one
Anonymous No.64114741
>>64114675
/thread
Anonymous No.64114763 >>64115077
>>64113610
>elaborate
Anonymous No.64114764 >>64115120
>>64113488 (OP)
>Why is the Scar hated when
FN can't color match tan.
>>64113619
Good one.
Anonymous No.64114770
>>64114633
I like your grandma's macreméd epaulets. Quite stylin'!
Anonymous No.64114841
>>64114488
There’s a trend on /k/ where if a 1st world superpower used something to annihilate shitskins, about 40-60% of this fucking board hates it. Start a thread about American tactical or technical superiority during any engagement in the last 100 years and you’ll see what I mean
Anonymous No.64114852 >>64115120
Scar-H was one of my favorite rifles growing up as a kid. Seeing it on the cover of Ghost Recon 2 Summit Strike I thought it looked so cool. I plan on getting one and no one is going to stop me
Anonymous No.64114921 >>64114988
>>64113488 (OP)
>at least the heavy variant is the best semi auto 308/7.62 out there
in what world has that ever been true?
Anonymous No.64114962 >>64114992
>>64113488 (OP)
XCR is better
Anonymous No.64114981
>>64113488 (OP)
Idk OP i never knew the scar was hated. I thought everyone loved it. I was in the market for a little while looking for one but they were all priced higher than my comfort level. I get that it's a nice gun, but the price tags were more in collectible realm, so that made me kind of lose interest cause I'm a hipster like that. Gradually I came to see it as kind of overrated, and the boot just became uglier to me instead of growing on me.
Anonymous No.64114988
>>64114921
Builds muscle.
Anonymous No.64114992 >>64118928
>>64114962
>XCR
Kinda want. Would shoot first.
Anonymous No.64115002
The only relevant Battle Rifles now are AR-10 and the G3 due to taking FRT/super safety.

Early SCAR's got virtually gimped when ATF deemed using the fully compatible and widely available registered FNC auto sears to somehow miracously equal new machine gun thus combining the two was banned.
I doubt later SCAR's can even take a FNC sear.
$4g's and won't get a FRT anytime soon
Anonymous No.64115032
>>64113488 (OP)
It's fucking ugly
Anonymous No.64115077
>>64114763
>M14 shitter
Opinion discarded
Anonymous No.64115087
>>64114374
>proprietary brick plastic mags
No thanks
Anonymous No.64115120 >>64115247 >>64116965
>>64114606
>can still shoot sub moa
You keep saying this but never proving it. The one I shot was 1.5 MOA. When the US Army tested them, they were generally getting 2-3 MOA.

This guy got 2.4" MOA out of his.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwHNuV5D9g

>eats any ammo unlike the ar10/sr25 nor do you have to slather it in lube to function
>light as fuck and better ergos compared to the m14 variants
>beats anything hk in reliability tests
By the way, this is done in very poor taste; it's kind of disingenuous to cherry-pick the quality it can beat (according to you) on another gun and hide the qualities it loses out on. It does not have better ergos than an AR-10, nor is it lighter than it, plus all the guns you claimed are inferior I've actually seen with my own two eyes that they can be sub-MOA, something I've not seen in any SCAR. Now if you could quantify your claim of sub-MOA with proof, then I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, as I've only handled the ones that had reciprocating charging handles. Until then, everyone here is treating you like you're talking out of your ass.

>>64114614
>barely anyone talks about the scar tho
The fanboy obsessed with it started this thread claiming that everyone is being unfair to his beloved rifle.

>>64114764
>FN can't color match tan.
LOL. I think that makes them more popular; the COD kids can tell it apart from other battle rifles/DMRs easily.

>>64114852
>I plan on getting one and no one is going to stop me
Do it; it's your collection. The new ones don't have the Ugg boot stock though, not sure if that's a deal breaker for you.
Anonymous No.64115247 >>64115369 >>64117324
>>64115120
A simple search will show people getting sub moa with them. I don’t know why you would ignore this or why the scar makes you so passionately angry.
Anonymous No.64115369 >>64115412
>>64115247
>A simple search will show people getting sub moa with them.
I did search for it and couldn't find it; the video I linked was me trying to find someone with sub-MOA. The fact that you still won't provide proof is very telling.
>why the scar makes you so passionately angry.
Anon, I'm not angry; I honestly asked you to prove your claim. You're angry because multiple people here don't believe you, and you're projecting.
Anonymous No.64115412 >>64115437 >>64115454
>>64115369
TRex Arms claims sub moa as well as plenty of other people if you dig through reddit and firearms forums. It’s pretty surface level info.
Anonymous No.64115437 >>64115501
>>64115412
>TRex Arms claims sub moa
I can claim to be a unicorn; Russia claimed it could beat Ukraine in ten days; computer expert Clifford Stoll claimed the internet was a temporary fad that would fade in a few years; and the NY Times claimed "human beings would never fly" 69 days before the Wright brothers successfully flew. People want to see proof? Why can't you take the SCAR in your pic, put a target 100 yards away, and show us the sub-MOA?
volume of fire appreciator No.64115447
>>64114606
>>light as fuck and better ergos compared to the m14 variants
this is a very low bar
Anonymous No.64115454 >>64115478
>>64114606
>>64115412
Another example is 9-hole Reviews. They love their SCAR, taking it out all the way to 800 yards and constantly bragging about it. Yet they admitted their SCAR's best MOA was 1.21" using FC GMM 175gr ammo (they tested many different ammo) not one was sub-MOA.
Anonymous No.64115478 >>64115490
>>64115454
And that’s just one guy’s video it doesn’t really prove anything either.
>Claims im projecting than types dozens of paragraphs and (you’s) soijacking
>Then tries to bring in "everybody" and "multiple people" as a sort of being ousted from the group of high iq sigma 4channers when no one really is that invested
>Also then brings up Russia vs Ukraine unprompted
Pretty feminine and weird behavior to be honest
Anonymous No.64115490 >>64115510
>>64115478
"When you don't have a valid argument, attack the person." I guess you don't have any proof. AR-10 supremacy once again.
Anonymous No.64115501 >>64115577
>>64115437
Not to intrude, but the fact is not everyone with a sub-MOA capable gun has the skills to shoot sub-MOA with it. Your put-up-or-shut-up logical gambit is flawed.
That said, I know nothing about this gun. However a simple search (as in simpler than arguing about it) for the keywords FN SCAR MOA yields a Reddit thread where a few posters do report having seen sub-MOA from their SCARs.
Anyway, carry on.
Anonymous No.64115510 >>64115577
>>64115490
You’re the guy that came out swinging passive aggressively like an angsty teenage girl and jerking to try and appease your ego and high sense of worth. It’s capable of sub MOA accuracy and sure as hell is capable of running thousands of rounds without shitting itself like an AR-10. You people are really weird with your AR cult worship and your Ukraine obsession like you’re actually there on the frontlines. Just because something isn’t on video doesn’t mean it’s implausible.
Anonymous No.64115512
POF Revolution, 308. Just buy it and move on with your life
Anonymous No.64115577 >>64115601
>>64115501
>the fact is not everyone with a sub-MOA capable gun has the skills to shoot sub-MOA with it.
That's fair, but I just asked for 1 video or picture that proves it. The burden of proof lies on the person who made the claim. He could have shown me anyone else's SCAR grouping, it didn't have to be his own. All he did was claim that Lucas from T-Rex arms made a claim that it was sub-MOA. Meanwhile, in Lucas's actual video where he recaps on owning a SCAR for 7 years, he shows a 1.07"-1.75" MOA and verbally says it's a 1-1.5" MOA rifle, so we've already caught OP lying. The very guy OP is using as proof said himself that it's not a sub-MOA rifle.

>>64115510
All I asked for was proof. The fact that you're obsessed with Ukraine when all I did was use an example about how claims are not always true proves that you'd rather derail your own thread than admit you're wrong and can't prove the claim you made. With your lack of integrity, I'm surprised you aren't shilling SIG products instead.
>Just because something isn’t on video doesn’t mean it’s implausible.
The fact that it was plausible is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked for proof. Instead, you just mentioned Lucas, who in his own video says his finely tuned SCAR is a 1-1.5 MOA rifle and his friend's SCAR is a 2 MOA rifle.
>AR cult worship
Says the guy who started a thread by whining that we don't worship his rifle. I once saw a G3 hit a .88 MOA group with Hornady ammo. I've also seen multiple M14s hit sub-MOA groups. All I wanted was for you to prove your claim, and I would have agreed with you on the sub-MOA claim. Instead, now I'm even more convinced that you are talking out of your ass. I might join the others who didn't believe you and ignore your cope thread.
Anonymous No.64115601 >>64115619
>>64115577
I have better things to do than deep dive through dozens of half hour videos and bring up my keyboard warrior conflict that don’t involve me halfway across the globe unprompted. Same guy that criticizes anecdotal evidence then brings in his own anecdotal evidence. I don’t even care for the rifle it’s more so I dislike midwits that think they’re super geniuses and need to humble themselves.
Anonymous No.64115619 >>64115631 >>64115641
>>64115601
>Same guy that criticizes anecdotal evidence then brings in his own anecdotal evidence.
You mentioned going into an unknown forum, that some guy claimed that Lucas made a claim. I mentioned how I watched his video (the one where he's owned the gun for 7 years and talks about how much he likes) and found out that what you're claiming he said he didn't say. I didn't bring anecdotal evidence; I further disproved yours.
>it’s more so I dislike midwits that think they’re super geniuses and need to humble themselves.
Sounds like you need to look in the mirror. I was ready to admit I was wrong if you showed me something I hadn't seen yet. I even checked that garbage site Reddit like the other guy told me to, and there were no pics of a sub-MOA group. There was a SCAR with a 1.35" group, and some people were making fun of him. Very nice group, not sub-MOA.
Anonymous No.64115631 >>64115642 >>64117142 >>64119287
>>64115619
Anonymous No.64115641 >>64115642 >>64115648 >>64117881 >>64119287 >>64124531
>>64115619
Anonymous No.64115642 >>64115648 >>64117154
>>64115631
Impressive, the SCAR 20 did amazing. I was so focused on the SCAR 17 that I forgot the SCAR 20 existed. 10/10 I stand corrected.

>>64115641
Was this the 17 or the 20? Amazing group too.
Anonymous No.64115648
>>64115641
>>64115642
https://www.reddit.com/r/FNSCAR/comments/17e6cp4/what_sort_of_accuracy_are_you_guys_getting_out_of/
The 17 it seems
Anonymous No.64116965
>>64115120
NRCH models still have the boot stock.
Anonymous No.64117003
>>64113488 (OP)
I've shot a SCAR-H and found it really pleasant in action. Very accurate and well balanced.
Anonymous No.64117093
>>64113488 (OP)
I love my SCAR20. It was getting 1st round hits out at 700 yards with ease. It’s a heavy bitch but it soaks up the recoil
Anonymous No.64117142 >>64119287
>>64115631
I got a great group from my Scar 20 too. Most of the ammo is firmly 1 MOA but this ammo it loved.
Anonymous No.64117154
>>64115642
The SCAR 20 is awesome but I consider it as a totally different rifle then the SCAR 17
Anonymous No.64117324 >>64117881
>>64115247
>simple search will show people getting sub moa
Nta but you made the claim, you provide the source(s). This shouldn't be difficult, like you said.
Anonymous No.64117630 >>64117686 >>64117881
Why the hate for reciprocating charging handles?

Am I the only one that doesn't mind them?
Anonymous No.64117678
>>64114640
Yeah SOCOM sucks sock we know
Anonymous No.64117686
>>64117630
Noshoots get upset that people who shoot a lot like to handle their guns in ways that don't coincide with 1980s action movies and thus don't like having a rapidly moving thumb whacker in the grip zone.
Anonymous No.64117881 >>64121159
>>64117324
>Nta but you made the claim, you provide the source(s). This shouldn't be difficult, like you said.
He eventually did (or someone did). See >>64115641

>>64117630
>Why the hate for reciprocating charging handles?
The one on an AK is fine, but the one on the original SCARs were breaking optics so people got upset, rightly so.
Anonymous No.64118769
>>64113488 (OP)
Does the US still use the SCAR? Last I checked it seems like everyone's gone back to normal basic bitch AR variants or the SIG MCX if they want to be extra speshul.
Anonymous No.64118928 >>64118955
>>64114992
I like them both
The compelling things on the 17 are the barrel, and being slightly lighter. I don't like the rear screws being a limiting factor for using alternatives like the ACR stock, so I've left mine unmolested
The XCR just feels solid. I've designed a wider cheek piece that is more comfortable and consistent cheek weld between prone/offhand, similar to ACR width, but entirely flat. The bolt catch and charging handle are a winner, IMO
Anonymous No.64118955 >>64118994
>>64118928
i have an early gen i believe, should probably get a better stock for it
Anonymous No.64118994
>>64118955
I like the fast2
I'll have the flat cheek pieces for the 2 and 3 available via the forum soon
Trying to make it lighter with materials that are more solvent resistant
Anonymous No.64119287 >>64119290
>>64115631
>>64115641
>>64117142
My 17 with 168 gr FGMM
Anonymous No.64119290 >>64124531
>>64119287
whoops
Anonymous No.64121159 >>64121298
>>64117881
>the one on the original SCARs were breaking optics
What broke optics (and lasers/lights) was an oddball forward impulse when the bolt slammed home, sort of like airguns with a piston.
The Eotechs for example had the batteries in line with the barrel, which meant that recoil shook the batteries back and forth with enough violence to fuck up the contacts. The EXPS models have the battery perpendicular to the barrel for that reason. It wasn't the the charging handle that was physically impacting optics, but the vibrations transmitted into the optics and electronics. The most recent SCAR models also have a connection of the bottom of the upper to give it less of a "tuning fork" structure but I don't know how big of a deal that is.
One thing that happened with optics mounts was knobs or levers interfering with the charging handle during a pull. That doesn't break the optic, but it's a source of annoyance. Before NRCH there were aftermarket charging handles that had a downward curve just to give enough clearance for the hand to drag against the side of the receiver without bumping into the protrusions.
Anonymous No.64121298 >>64121354
>>64121159
>What broke optics (and lasers/lights) was an oddball forward impulse when the bolt slammed home
>It wasn't the the charging handle
Anon, adding mass to the bolt makes it heavier, making the problem worse.
Anonymous No.64121354 >>64121503
>>64121298
I'm sure it was the tiny metal cylinder and not that huge chonker of a bolt that made the difference.
Anonymous No.64121503
>>64121354
It's almost as if the tiny metal cylinder was part of that huge chonker of a bolt, and making it a separate part was one of the things that helped the chonker of a bolt lose mass.
Anonymous No.64124204
>>64113528
We hate the Ugg boot stock now?
Anonymous No.64124531
>>64115641
>>64119290
Why are you posting shit like this and not claiming the obvious flier round that's in the group? If you're consistently shooting sub-MOA, that one random round is likely the rifle's fault, not you pulling it. And if you're sending fliers that bad on a 5-shot sub-MOA group, you shouldn't be posting shit at all because you suck at shooting.
Anonymous No.64124564
>>64113488 (OP)
>Why is the Scar hated when at least the heavy variant is the best semi auto 308/7.62 out there?
Poorfag cope, litterally, there's no other words for it.
still, i wouldn't call it "best" nowadays, the gun design is old now and some others already made copies that work better or just like the SCAR, it's still is a very good gun tho