Thread 64113518

How did they hit anything?

Lots of training.

>>64113525
Training can't do shit about your horse bouncing up and down which is dependent on terrain and unpredictable.

>>64113518 (OP)
Practice.

>>64113552
Oh well, I guess they didn't hit anything. Oh wait, reality disagrees, what now?

They had large targets.

aim assist

practice/training. Same way OP is so good at finding and sucking cocks in a variety of places.

this is why I train point shooting if our ancestors could do 100 meter shots while on horseback then I can do a 100 meter hip firing low percentage targets

>>64113552
They fired at the peak of the horses gait before it took it's next gallop

He train from child

>>64113552
>and unpredictable.
It might seem thoroughly unpredictable to you, but spend sixty thousand hours in the saddle and a few pattern may start to emerge.

>>64113518 (OP)
Hit and run.

If the target is a army you will hit something and more importantly force them to constantly have to defend themselves. This kills mobility and prevents them from resting. Fatigue sets in while the horse archers rotate in and out, it wears you down.

Also they literally lived most of their lives in the saddle, they had mad skills.

>>64113620
there's no pattern because the terrain is different

>>64113518 (OP)
How did they hit anything?

>>64113686
better go tell them they can't hit shit then

>>64113518 (OP)
Practice
Chinese villagers made good practice

>>64113722
A helicopter is not bouncing up and down.

>>64113762
>A helicopter is not bouncing up and down.
You've never been in a helicopter.

>>64113518 (OP)
Training. Thousands of hours of training.
>t. former national level competition archer who has also done it from horseback a whole lot because I grew up on a horse farm and got gud enough to small game hunt from horseback

>>64113518 (OP)
Training and shooting at much shorter range than infantry archers.
>>64113552
There was actually a trick to it. You timed the release between hoofbeats and only shot when the terrain ahead was clear.

>>64113552
>Training can't do shit about your horse bouncing up and down which is dependent on terrain and unpredictable.
Skill issue.

Have you ever ridden a horse?
Or even a bike?

Keeping your upper body stationary while your lower half moves more freely is so easy it's nearly instinctual.
Chickens can do it trivially, we're not quite as good but we're good enough for archery.

>>64113518 (OP)
I remember reading about steppe horses having a special pace that is pretty stable but I may be wrong

>>64114002
>>64114016
Horses are smooth runners at a gallop than a canter, and both are much more smooth than a trot.

>>64113518 (OP)
>>64113552
>hundreds of videos of horse archery competitions
>no this is impossible

>>64113518 (OP)
Practice through games from a young age. Here are two excerpts from the journal of John Chardin from his travels in Persia in the late 17th century.

>The third Exercise is that of the Horse, which consists in Mounting well, to have a good Seat, to gallop with a loose Rein without stirring; to stop the Horse short in his Gallop, without moving one's self, and to be so light and active upon a Horse, as to tell, upon the Gallop, twenty Counters upon the Ground one after the other, and to take 'em up at their return, without slackening their Speed. There are People in Persia that sit so Firm and Light upon a Horse, that they stand straight on their Feet upon the Saddle, and make the Horse Gallop in that manner with a loose Rein.

>The Exercise of the Bow on Horse-back is perform'd by shooting at a Bowl or Cup behind one, put upon the end of a Mast or Pole about twenty-six Foot high, where they get up by little Ribs of Wood nailed to it, and which serve as Steps. The Gentleman takes his Career towards the Pole with his Bow and Arrow in his Hand, and when he is gone by it, he bends himself backwards either to the Right, or Left; for they must know how to do it both Ways, and lets fly his Arrow.

i just realized his name is a pun

>>64113552
How do you think ship cannons hit anything? The ocean is constantly moving the ship!

>>64114105
it is pretty impressive in general the way elite athletes do complex mathematical feats with their muscle memory instead of their brain. be thankful europe, mongol dynamic positioning was only nerfed by interfamily strife

>>64113552
STIRRUPS

>>64114145
i for one, long for mongol liberation

>>64113518 (OP)
Training and shooting at the right moment when the horse feet are all in the air.

>>64113518 (OP)
Mongols started learning archery and how to ride horses as young as three years old, it would have been as natural to them as walking by the time they were adults

>>64113975
>at much shorter range than infantry archers.
This as well, honestly just shooting back as infantry is a very solid defense against horseniggers

>>64115750
You'd think that being a moving target would make horse archers harder to hit but every time they've traded shots with foot archers it's gone badly for the horse archers.

>>64114145
Muscle memory is in the brain, anon.

>>64113518 (OP)
1000+ hours in warband

>>64113552
They wore high heels

>>64116034
In a specialized extension next to the brain stem that deals exclusively with muscle motor function.

>>64113518 (OP)
myfbusters did it
fact is they couldn't hit shit
jk you have to practice

>>64113762
Depends on the heli

Seriously though. How did they hit anything?

>>64116029
With the notable exception of the Japanese (who tended to use pretty much the same yumi variants both on foot and mounted), infantry bows were larger, more powerful, and shot heavier arrows than mounted archer ones.

>>64113722
Repetition. Shoot enough and you'll eventually hit something.

>>64113518 (OP)
They didn't. Arrows are a myth; casualties attributed to them were actually psychically inflicted (the archer believed that the target had been hit so strongly that it caused the target to share the delusion).

Archery is more aesthetic than firearms.

>>64116674
I think we can agree that mounted archery from a Ka-52 would be extremely difficult.

>>64115750
Yeah, Bowman on foot can rock light armored horse archers pretty good but horse archers are good at fucking up melee soldiers in shield formations by circling them and hitting from just out of reach at all angles
>Archers>horse archers>shield wall>archers

>>64117667
It would be hard from all helicopters, that downdrafts a bitch

>>64116029
Horsie is big, the moving target difficulty could reasonable translate to difficulty dor the harcher as well sknce he is, you know, moving which means the target is moving relative to his aim

>>64113518 (OP)
i dunno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMJTejZJHwk

>>64113518 (OP)
Practice and also engaging at a much shorter range than you'd probably expect

>>64113518 (OP)
Humans have incredible spatial reasoning, they had a lot of practice, they were typically well within 200 yards, men are in groups so its easier to hit something, and they also missed a lot. Its also possible with stirrups to stand in your saddle to achieve a more stable platform, there are also other things such as different horses having different gaits and varying running tempos, and different methods for when to loose an arrow. They could also stand the horse still if they wanted to.
Horse archery is very difficult though and horse archers did lose to large numbers of foot archers or heavy cavalry, but theyre brilliant for scouting and raiding, or generally being a hassle for lightly armoured soldiers.

>>64116034
>>64116148
as the other anon stated, it kind of is in the brain but it's more like the spinal cord

>>64116034
>>64116148
as the other anon stated, it kind of is in the brain, but it's more like the spinal cord than it is the frontal cortex

>>64115668
No. Horse archers were a dominant force on many battlefields long before stirrups. Stirrups absolutely help. But persian horse archers were know for being able shoot backwards at a gallop in combat. This was Pre stirrups.

>>64113607
You're telling me a mere child trained them how to shoot? Wow, amazing, you learn something new everyday, huh.

The fact that people don't commonly ride horses anymore has is going to severely damage pre-modern military scholarship if it hasn't already.
People are already saying that horses won't charge into spears and now we have fools like OP that can't understand how horse archery works. What new foolishness will the unmounted come up with next?

>>64114002
Ok, here me up. Chicken-stabilized bows on horseback.

>>64119666
It's an old Bolan maymay, usually associated with a photo of Mariusz Pudzianowski, world strongman champion.

>>64113518 (OP)
>>64113552
>>64114016
>>64114049
They had special horses

>>64119931
>Ok, here me up.
ESL moment, it's "hear me out".

>Chicken-stabilized bows on horseback.
I do like the way you think.
Let's have a chicken-stabilised saddle though, for a smoother ride. Your feet move on the stirrups like pedalling a bicycle or maybe skiing.

>>64113552
I imagine hitting stuff from a helicopter is harder but people still manage to do it.

>>64119949
That is the goofiest trot I've ever seen.

>>64119784
>horses won't charge into spears
They won’t if you don’t train them to.
More importantly, people won’t charge into spears if you don’t train them to. Or at all, if they can help it. Charging full speed straight into a fresh, unbroken spear wall without softening em up first is not a good idea. That’s why pike squares were popular, because it’s an effective defense against cavalry. It’s also why for a period of time you see cavalry with super long lances, and eventually just pistols.

>>64113518 (OP)
They had 10 in horse archery
Stealth warband thread?

>>64119949
Wtf are these horses doing?

They weren't aiming at anything in particular
If you have 1000 dudes on horsback quiverdumping into 1000 dudes all lined up, someone's gonna hit something eventually

>>64119784
>if it hasn't already
Ever heard of the "Great" Stirrup "Controversy"?

Man, it had to be pretty demoralizing and infuriating going up against horseback archers if you were on foot
Those fuckers could ride just out of reaching in a mocking manner and casually fire arrows into you at any time

>>64113518 (OP)
A lot of them grew up shooting bows and riding horses, their brains were rewired for it
Also, they didn't just fight people 1v1, they rode in huge groups and let off hails of arrows
When they ran out of arrows or got tired, they hopped onto a another horse or let the other guys sitting nearby take over

>>64122245
>That is the goofiest trot I've ever seen.
That's probably what European cavalry said right before they got shot by horseback archers.

>>64113518 (OP)
Try putting on your belt in the opposite direction you're normally doing it to realize both how difficult it is and how easy it can get with enough practice.

>>64119949
Thats a fast horse wtf. Hes holding it back from a gallop and still making em eat dust

>>64123385
>Those fuckers could ride just out of reaching in a mocking manner and casually fire arrows into you at any time
I still hate the Khergits.

>>64123385

"The little boys start out by learning to ride sheep and shoot birds and rats with a bow and arrow, and when they get a little older they shoot foxes and hares, which are used for food. Thus all the young men are able to use a bow and act as armed cavalry in time of war. " - Sima Qian "The Account of the Xiongnu"

The Xiongnu were pro-Mongols from the same area. There's a modern rodeo event for kids where they ride sheep and try to hold on, I believe it's for ages 5 - 7. It's likely they were learning to ride and shoot at what we would consider kindergarten ages.

>>64125219
>proto-Mongols
The lore from basically everyone that interacted with the ancient and modern versions is that these eventually became the Huns and then the Hungarians.
How true that is genetically is debatable, culturally...eh, it didn't survive communism and maybe not even feudalism. Linguistically, they adopted a Uralic language from other tribes in Estonia/Finland.
They like the name though.

The Chinese word for Hungary is still 匈牙利/Xiōngyálì though.

>>64119949
Apparently horses can trot up to 30mph so that's one special horse he's riding.
https://youtu.be/HfzfBvb69Fk&t=28