Thread 64115343

Does Russia even have any armor left for a mechanized offensive or will we see more meatwaves?

>>64115343 (OP)
Russia exists in a quantum state of being able to invade all their neighbors at once but also on the verge of collapse.

Meatwaves and more meatwaves, Ukraine pretty much has this in the bag

>>64115351
The ability of putin and Russia to look sustained massive casualties in the eye and shrug is the most impressive thing about them

>>64115358
It's impressive in a way but it definitely isn't a strategic strength, in much the same way that being able to shrug at massive gambling losses is how you go bankrupt

>>64115358
Tbh by this point Russia is basically propped up by Norks.
>nork soldiers
>nork material
>nork workers

>>64115343 (OP)
We have seen so little Russian armour in the last 6 months I suspect they have been building up.

>>64115351
No, Russia will ultimately win a 20 year war of attrition simply by have a much larger economy and population.
We should have enforced a no-fly-zone over Ukraine 2 years ago but it's never too late to do it. If a NATO backed no-fly was enforced over Ukraine keeping Russian aviation out it would allow Ukrainian planes to run CAS.

>>64115449
>economy
kek

>>64115449
we've seen barely any armor because armor doesn't work. they still have a four digit number of tanks in the field, probably, but their storage bases are empty and the tanks just get singled out and targeted well before they can make it anywhere near the enemy.

light infantry infiltration attacks on fast, light, low observability vehicles is what gets them gains, however slowly.

if they had any intention to use armor now would be the time with that breakout around Pokrovsk but we're not seeing it. because they probably can't even get tanks through the approach roads to the start of the salient, let alone down it.

They might go for broke with all the hardware they have left or they might not. But I've learned not to count out any stupidity they'll come up with.

>>64115449
>No, Russia will ultimately win a 20 year war of attrition simply by have a much larger economy and population.
Their population isn't large enough, having a 3:1 population advantage doesn't matter when you lose 14 men for every Ukrainian you kill.

>>64115350
Correct. See:
>WW1
>Late cold war

>>64115449
Not really, they economy is strain by the lack of body. They are now running out of men.

In retrospect, it's really kind of amazing how /k/ managed to get every single thing about this conflict wrong. Guess this kind of extreme uniformity is entirely typical of heavily jannitored echo chambers, but still, you'd think occasionally there'd be a blip of some sort. Nope, Russia has no tanks anymore.

>>64115522
Yeah, it's been the longest 3 days of my life.

>>64115522
Look faggot if you’re still bragging about Russia shooting itself in the foot several times but suddenly claiming they’re the best because of one breakthrough in 3 fucking years then you also have gotten nothing correct

If they keep stretching Ukraine then eventually they'll find a gap like they just did around Pokrosvk. It's a wasteful and shitty way to conduct war, but Russia has failed at literally everything else they've tried do they're back to brute forcing it, Ukraine is so much smaller in population size they will eventually find a weakness.

>>64115522
Early war /k/ was actually /k/ with lots of semi-educated opinions but like every important political topic the board slowly filled with shills and retards on both sides.
I'm a moderate and have been banned a dozen times because I don't self censor and give credit to Russia when they actually do smart / effective things.

Look ITT to see the responses to be here >>64115449
>>64115457
>>64115487
Seem to think Russia doesn't have an economic advantage despite having over 11 times the GDP of Ukraine.

As for being right / wrong about events of the very early (first week) nearly everyone expected a steam roll with total Russian victory within months.
By the end of the Battle of Hostomel lots of us started to think Ukraine might actually be in with a chance.
After the Siege of Mariupol Russia lots a heap of momentum and Ukraine had time to prepare some defensive lines.
By the time the Kherson and Kharkiv counteroffensives rolled around it was clear Russia is a joke and a mockery of the USSR.

>>64115550
>GDP of Ukraine.
so now you're comparing russia to ukraine directly without any western involvement?
then it must be incredibly embarrassing fighting this poor nation for 3 years and not having much to show for it.

>>64115350
That's because they don't care about their own survival at all. I thought the scenario in Red Storm Rising where the Soviets launch an all-out invasion of Europe before they go bankrupt was implausible until 2022

>>64115557
Read the whole post anon, I want TZD but I live in reality where Russia does have an economic advantage instead of pretending they are doomed to make myself feel better.

>>64115522
Yet somehow even NAFOids have a more realistic view of the situation than zigger supporters do lol

>>64115566
It doesn't have an economic advantage at all as long as Western aid keeps coming. If it were just Ukraine you'd have a point. Unfortunately the only competent Russian is the head of the Russian Central Bank, Nabiullina, who is successfully keeping the country afloat while the oligarchs and politicians demand she sink it right now

>>64115589
Don't know what to tell you bud. Ukraine's line just collapsed and it's over.

>>64115550
Russian economic advantage isn't that big, mostly because they are an extraction economy first, their manufacturing sector is like the soviet, dead. They can buy a lot, but they can't meaningfully bring it to the frontline. It is their main problem, the ruble is valued to shit and they are paid in monopoly money by india (that produce shit in weapon) and China (that refuse to sell them in actual weapon and only part). NK is the only one that actually give them something.

>>64115599
I estimate: 2 weeks until it's all ovyr and everyone will understand everything.

>>64115580
This.
It's very telling to me that whenever Ukrainian failures or shortcomings are discussed, they usually come from pro-Ukrainian people themselves (and respectable ones at that, with the exception of the agent of chaos, iykyk). Yesterday's breakthrough is a perfect example of this.

>>64115599
>at one spot over the whole frontline, few platoon sized mobik groups get through defense line during unit rotation and follow the road few km until they are inevitably killed
>Ziggers: whole Ukriane just collapsed and it's over

This is the 300th time Russia has used peace talks to stall for time. I'm surprised America keeps falling for it.

>>64115626
>I'm surprised America keeps falling for it.
They aren't sending their best.

>>64115626
What can I say. Trump really really really doesn't want his great buddy Putin to be mad at him.
Surely this time he will be resonable and not demand exactly the same shit followed by extremly vague promises of potential ceasefire.

>>64115624
>the opposing army LITERALLY PUSHES THROUGH THE DEFENDERS
>uhhhhh it's just one spot, nafo will save them

>>64115550
the points made by ukraine is winning 24/7 simulator enthusiasts are mostly valid (except when they take obvious agitprop bait and run with it, like 14:1).

they just consistently make wrong hugboxy predictions on those inputs

I mean its internet

>>64115638
The degradation of the tank use was pretty spot on.

>>64115635
It's been over a day, had anything come of it yet?

>>64115646
>russia is winning too slowly!
You are a retard.

>>64115650
>russia is winning
you're a retard

>>64115599
That's a manpower problem, in part caused by the West because we'll immediately start to kvetch if he mobilizes for real

>>64115635
Even Russians are saying they found a spot where defences were under/unmanned and snuck though, using drones for recon. Very little fighting actually took place, and the troops that did get though were infantry on bikes. I've not seen anything to show Russia was quick to expoilt the break though and Ukraine is claiming they have already started to eliminate the groups that got though. Will just have to wait and see.

>>64115550
>coal industry bankrupt
>real estate has halted new construction
>sberbank, puccias biggest, is talking about bail outs due to all the toxic loans they were forced to take on
>all sectors are reporting hard shortage of workers
>inflation running somewhere in the late 20s/early 30s
>sugar high from national piggy bank war chest running out
>anything resembling still a working enterprise is getting stolen from its owners by siloviki fighting over the shrinking pie
tik tok pidorashka. only place pozzia looks big is on the map

>>64115343 (OP)
They suck general tso's dick hard to get that China money, but besides that or a nuke is the only way I see them winning.

>>64115643
Yeah but its on both sides. The correct deduction is "drones are filtering tanks in their intended role". The /k/ deduction is "the soviet stockpiles are empty, collapse any day now". And its not even wrong that the stockpiles are empty, but the next step relies on remaining in the obsolete doctrine mentally.

>>64115626
>>64115632
agent orange needs his wife to tell him that monke is making fun of him. He is not very bright or observant. which is funny as he subscribes to the gangster mentality monke follows and half of the drama in that cesspit evolves around perceived "insults/disrespect" and resulting escalating chimp outs

>>64115657
>>64115669
>actually running out of men is based and a good sign!
Do you even hear yourselves?

>>64115683
Even the meeting place is a calculated insult by monke, since he considers Alaska rightful vatnik clay. Mangoman is just too dense to catch on, and the sycophants around him are either retarded themselves, or turncoats.

>>64115350
>Russia exists in a quantum state of being able to invade all their neighbors at once but also on the verge of collapse.
This is one of those sentences that sound dumb on paper, but are actually correct. They are a glass cannon. They don't care about their country's future, it's just the latest dictator trying to "leave a mark on history". Which you can see even with Stalin, whom those fucking retards refer to as "a good leader".

>>64115669
>Will just have to wait and see.
correct
>frontline is often as sparse as 1 man per 300m defending and 3-5 men attacking
>thousand miles long
>saturated with drones
>no tanks because artillery and drones, no masses of troops because artillery and drones
If a segment collapses
>cant advance into it faster than a walking man, carrying supplies
But what does collapse even mean?
>only thing not filtered by drones are saboteurs and motorbike raiders
>you find them further and further away from where you think front line is
>but it also means less and less, because they aren't occupying the area yet
>supply lines and resources are the main target on both sides because density of military is incredibly low
>its all dormant drones and mines and IEDs and nade on a string and caltrops and booby trapped ammo and poisoned food
we're quickly optimizing to hell knows where

>>64115684
They're not running out of men, they're just trying not to do the same sort of demographic suicide Russia is doing
Eventually they'll probably have to do it and Russia will have committed murder-suicide on a national level

>>64115684
Being able to defend the line with few men while the enemy suffers high casualties would be a good thing, provided it works.

>>64115695
I live next to Russia and the Russian mindset is just frustrating
There's no concept of improving the country, even among the intelligentsia. I guess there's a handful of them that even think about it but it's not like their renowned authors are known for optimism either

The Soviet Union has risen from near-collapse to become a world power several times in its history.

>>64115713
Holy shit this place is more deluded than I thought.

>>64115550
>the board slowly filled with shills and retards on both sides.
while I agree with this, on the other hand,
>I'm a moderate and have been banned a dozen times because I don't self censor and give credit to Russia when they actually do smart / effective things
I've only been sus'd once myself by an overenthusiastic janny so you must've had some shitty opinions
that said,
>over 11 times the GDP of Ukraine
firstly, Ukraine survives almost entirely on external funding, so the valid comparison is how much that funding is, rather than its economy

secondly, inflation has struck Russia worse than the rest of the world due to sanctions, so the GDP deflator on that "11x" is going to be worse, at least by 25%, so the "11x" is more like "8x"

>>64115559
interesting comparison, especially because I stand firmly on the belief that Russia wanted the Ukrainian people, not land or mining resources: 40 million new slaves is a much more massive economic shot in the arm
that said, credit the Russians with not leaving themselves a handful of months before the economy collapsed, as they did in RSR

>>64115669
>Ukraine is claiming they have already started to eliminate the groups that got though
buddy, Ukraine was claiming the front line was rock solid up to about 3 days ago
fuck Ukrainian claims, the map doesn't lie
and before anyone says I'm a zigger, if I'm a zigger for saying this then so is Azov:
>https://x.com/BohdanKrotevych/status/1954987845698965587

>>64115713
>provided it works.
it "worked" up until 3 days ago when it didn't.

>>64115675
Hitler ran the MEFO bill scam for a full decade

>>64115684
>actually running out of men
and then kursk happened

>>64115721
>it "worked" up until 3 days ago when it didn't.
I'll wait until the breakthrough shows results
Ziggerniggers were hyping up the Sumy offensive and that stalled totally after what, 8 km?

>>64115715
>The Soviet Union has risen from near-collapse to become a world power several times in its history
Yeah, it was very funny how they just straight up came to us Bulgarians and took all our gold and silver in order to cover their collapsing economy twice. I am sure the other occupied countries found it just as hilarious when it happened to them as well.
The USSR never "rose" from a near-collapse, they just stole everything the occupied countries had.

>>64115723
you don't think a 10km breakthrough IS results?

we're back to bite-and-hold tactics, because it truly is WW1 all over again

>>64115726
If they expand on it, yes.
If it becomes a Temu Demyansk pocket, then no, not really.
There's a reason the term "developing situation" exists.

>>64115726
No because the Russians have this habit of outrunning their fire support and then just getting killed

>>64115738
>>64115739
has Ukraine ever taken back ground on the Donetsk front, other than at Kherson?

No fucking shit he isn't. Trump is just a gullible retard who has so many 'Fell For It Again' Awards that he is practically covered.

>>64115742
It’s all part of the greater plan. Ukraine will lure Russians in and then encircle them all. Putin btfo!

>>64115675
>>sberbank, puccias biggest, is talking about bail outs due to all the toxic loans they were forced to take on
This is what actually makes russian shills afraid, because it directly affects them, they might sit in an office not giving a shit about the mobiks dying or lost tanks, but if the banks don't get bailouts they will feel the burden
And that's just scratching the surface,, a lot of other sectors will need shitloads of money just to cover the maintenance/infrastructure backlog that grows like crazy now
Take the railways for example, they will need a thousand new locomotives a year for the next fucking decade to function, never mind infrastructure investments and if they don't receive a cash injection prices will explode
Same for electricity providers or gazprom, which in turn will cause a spike in prices for everything else
asdf

>>64115358
He’s. Going to be dead within 15 years he doesn’t care about the future,only securing and protecting his power

>>64115742
They did take a big chunk back around and east of Kharkiv to river Oskil and beyond including taking back Izium from which the russians were threatening an encirclement of UA forces to the south. That was more than what russia has conquered in the 2 years after it.

>>64115449
Depends on what you consider winning to be

>>64115746
Funny, I remember "cauldron closing" being a big vatnik cope for a long time before it changed to "tactical feint". Good shit.

>>64115626
Il Duncé is very easy for putin to manipulate

>>64115761
He specifially said "Donetsk region" in his goalpost move, so no need to bother. The Toretsk front has all but frozen over because of constant counterattacks, but that wouldn't exactly count either.

>>64115746
It's wild how Russia, a place that claimed to be the 2nd greatest military on the planet, is somehow at the stage where nearly 4 years on they're less than 100km from their starting position in a war they started against the poorest nation in Europe which had basically no military. If you're somehow trying to twist this into 'haha Ukraine losing xD' then it's really fucking embarrassing to claim this when Russia has lost thousands of vehicles, dozens of ships and a fucking submarine to this nation.

Reminder, an article before the war stated that Russia losing 14,000 WIA/KIA and 300 tanks would be 'catastrophic' for Putin, even if he annexed all of Ukraine. Don't go looking at the numbers right now.

>>64115761
personally, I don't consider the Kharkiv front to be part of the Donetsk front, but anyway, yeah the only 2 times were the Kherson and Izyum counteroffensives

the point is that historically, a Russian breakthrough in the Kramatosk oblast has never been reversed.

>>64115771
>goalpost
if you don't understand how tactically and strategically the Kramatosk front is different from the others, you can fuck off

>>64115675
nono economy is doing fine comrade, ready for the forever war

>>64115358
not feeling pain is impressive in the moment
but people that don't feel pain end up covered in scars and burns from head to toe. if they don't minder they can let themselves bleed to death never mind al the infections they get.
caring about losses is the nation feeling pain. care to much and you run away from fights you are going to win because they hurt, care to little and you end up bleeding to death or succumbing to the infections.

>>64115774
Yeah, while I don't contest the fact that significant advances have been made in the past year, the pace is still glacial
IF Monke can be satisfied with just taking the Donbas and claiming victory it's of course then possible for Russia to "win" in relatively short order, but taking the whole country doesn't look realistic at all or it will take a decade+

>>64115781
Running away from fights you were going to win can be a good idea if the fight costs more than the prize is worth.

For example, occupying Afghanistan is worthless so any price at all is too high. The place is the graveyard of empires because any empire that chooses to go there is already brain dead.

>>64115779
>Rosstat has begun classifying information
Kek, they did the same shit with military spending, and to no ones surprise it bit them in the ass when it turned out that people dabbling in grifts and general corruption found it a great opportunity

>>64115782
My point was that Russia had everything it needed to do a full annexation but it somehow fucked it up. Now we're at the situation where losing 4,200 guys to take a 'settlement' is considered a fair trade. We all know Russia doesn't give a fuck about losses and it has infinite manpower and they couldn't care less about the wikipedia page saying losses: Insane, as long as result says "Russian Victory, Treaty of X" but it's embarrassing to claim that Russia struggling against Ukraine is actually really impressive.

The sad thing is, as others have said, is that Trump is trying his best to give Putin what he wants AND MORE and yet anybody with any sense can see that Putin cannot keep this up forever and doesn't want to. He wants his ceasefire, he wants his land, he then wants the sanctions removed, rebuild his forces and finish the job in 20 years.

>>64115789
The Bongs had Afghanistan as a protectorate several times. WW1 made them release it.

>>64115392
Imagine your economy hinging on north korean slave labor.

>>64115794
Yeah, and holding it cost them something and gained them nothing.

>>64115804
Holding it simply by having a local ruler acknowledge you at his superior works just fine. That's what the Chinese will do do get mineral deals.

>>64115343 (OP)
If meatwaves are enough to collapse piggers front , why bother?

>>64115828
>collapse
that is a big word for a small breach

>>64115828
Yeah i remember the collapsing front in Sumy, what happened to it btw?

>>64115792
>finish the job in 20 years.
Putin doesn't have 20 years. hell I doubt he even has 10. dude's old and very sick.

>>64115789
I agree, pain is something you need to learn to deal with.
when is it telling you to stop and when do you need to push past it.
or in a nation you need to be able to talk about how much losses you are willing to take and what for.
Russia doesn't have that, so it doesn't feel, so it will take a million festering cuts for what honestly isn't worth it for the nation.

>>64115850
new generation is fed propaganda from the day they are born.
there's gonna be a lot of ziggers if russia gets at least something out of this war.

>>64115850
>sick
That would be trump with his corona virus. You can see it in his body.

>>64115860
>if russia gets at least something out of this war
0.6% territory is still gain, comrades! Onwards! The Motherland calls on us to die!

>>64115449
>20 year war of attrition
Jesus Christ this nation once used to hold fantasies of taking the Baltics in 36 hours.

>>64115867
that's exactly what they would be saying.
russia can't get anything but pain and suffering out of that shitshow they started.

>>64115869
>the Baltics in 36 hours
Actually, Warsaw in a day, Berlin in two.

>>64115869
you should go look at some ziggers treads on /pol/ they worship the ability to take horrendous losses for peanuts

>>64115869
It can still do that today. The Baltics don't have anywhere near the population and aren't even a fraction as militarized as Ukraine is.

>>64115874
>attacking NATO while 98% of your army is stuck in Ukraine
I want this to happen

>>64115874
Nah, they could take the Baltics if it was a regular 1v3, but it would be a long and painful endeavour. Especially when you could see the russian buildup from a mile away.

>>64115862
Whatever's wrong with his body needs to work faster.

>>64115881
>I want this to happen
We've already had Bespoke Barbarossa and Makeshift Market Garden, how would such an offensive be called?

>>64115726
I personally garauntee that the entire "breakthrough" and every narrative being spun around it will vanish completely the day after trumps meeting with putin

>>64115350
>being able to invade all their neighbors at once but also on the verge of collapse.
This was literally the German economy in 1939.

>>64115906
They definitely spent more on the shills talking it up than they spent on equipment for the guys who broke through

>>64115343 (OP)
The recent russian "breakthrough" was achieved with motorcycle dragoons though. Tanks and mechanised units are way too slow, and can be easily wiped out by fewer FPV drones.

>>64115869
>>64115872
russians truly have a superhuman ability to wallow in the deepest pits of humiliation and misery and be actually proud about it. "look at how shit our lives are", they boast, "no one else can endure this much shit, we are amazing and strong"

In itself, that would be just cause for... well, disgust, but perhaps pity as well

Except they have to add "... in fact, we will drag all of you down here with us in the shit. how dare you live better lives than us?"

So yeah, burn them all.

>>64115949
this.

>>64115944
but they couldn't exploit it with the new e-scooter meta.
that's where you still need mechanized troops. yes they will take losses but if you can't exploit it's attrition all the was to Kiev

btw, what happened to '1000 sneeds per day' narrative?

>>64115959
Goodwill gesture

>>64115884
>but it would be a long and painful endeavour
You don't understand how tiny our militaries are. While Lithuania has a somewhat respectable 20k active + 30k reserve or thereabout, Latvia has just one active duty brigade while Estonia has the equivalent of 1-2. Latvia has a tiny reserve force since it was an all volunteer force for a long time, Estonia has maybe 40k total reserves of which about 4k are realistically going to get to deploy. Latvia has around 10k national guardsmen on paper but most are of very low readiness.

In the Ukraine war, these numbers can barely hold a few dozen km of front line.

>>64115953
the way they've managed to hold on to their other gains in Donetsk is by following up the infantry infiltration with regular mechanised forces, that's what they've been holding back the tanks for
>inb4 zigger zigger zigger
if I am a zigger for saying so then so are the British and American analysts who've been saying this

>>64115343 (OP)
no more tanks, and they ran out of missiles too
2 more weeks and it's a done deal

>>64115343 (OP)
India claims to have 1300 T-90s, and nothing stops Modi from claiming that any Indian tank captured or destroyed on Ukraine was in Russia for repairs

>>64115984
India just got hit with secondary tariffs for reselling Russian gas & oil, what makes you think he'll risk worse?

>>64115963
>Estonia has the equivalent of 1-2.
Estonia has one (1) regular infantry battalion
its one (1) single active duty brigade is rounded out by conscripts

>Latvia
is slightly better than Estonia, they have two regular battalions in their single brigade, the third is conscripts

>Lithuania
has two active duty brigades

it's quite thin, but provided Russia isn't willing to engage the NATO EFP forces, a Baltic scenario shouldn't happen
problem is, they just might be crazy enough to do that
>what about nukes
WE don't care about Russia's threats to nuke, so why should they care about ours?
>it would be suicide in the long run for Russia!
yes, that's what everyone thought in 1939 as well, didn't stop the Axis powers from, essentially, throwing a Hail Mary and kamikazeing the entire world

there's an idiom in my language for suicide attacks: "to embrace one unto death"
what if they decide to do that

>>64115963
Yes, the raw numbers aren't there, but luckily we also don't have to defend along open fields the size of the Baltics. And like I said, the buildup could be seem from a mile away and the reserves/national guard could be mobilised. While I'm not of the opinion that Russia's completely neutered, if there's one thing they don't have the ability to do, it's their shock and awe surprise strikes they gloated about and which they tried to pull off in Kyiv.

>>64115343 (OP)
The armor is being held in reserve to exploit any scooter breakthroughs.

>>64115907
All according to keikaku.

>>64115959
Don't need them, it's a land war

>>64115894
reverse dunkirk

>>64115392
Depending on the nork economy is the most pathetic fact about russia.

>>64115894
Unternehmen Wacht Me Duud

>>64115907
The funny thing is that Germany could have been the saviour of Europe had they just stopped after they lucked out with the Sudetenland. That caused France and UK to rearm and had they perused a peaceful solution to the Danzig question they could likely have just gotten the land, teamed up with UK and France who were preparing to help Finland against the Soviets in the 1940 and joined in with kicking the Soviets back. He'd have gotten his land he promised and secured his economy after his bullshit economic tricks. He could have then had his orgies and drug parties and died insane but at least well remembered. Hell, you could have probably offered the far east Russia to Japan and they wouldn't have involved the colonial powers in their war. Probably even USA to secure Alaska. Literally some other reality this happened and Hitler is famous for being a political genius and not a retard.

>>64116119
the crypto-commies in the West who turned around and gave half the world to the Soviets in the 40s and 50s wouldn't have stood for it

>>64115894
>Bespoke
you probably mean Budget
Bespoke is rather the opposite of that

>>64116107
Funny thing is Norks are fucking GENIUS. When Kim offered shit to Putin he didn't ask just for retarded power man shit like gold or jewels. He asked for missile tech, gold and this is the key and really lowkey genius this; farming equipment. Specifically greenhouses and other stuff like hydroponics and FINALLY get this... potatoes. Russia grows a lot of potatoes and their diet is heavily potato based (and so is their drink of choice), so Kim starts setting this all up and then what happens? Bad weather and Russia has a food problem, so it turns to Belarus for potatoes. Potatoman is happy to oblige until UH OH bad harvest last year, so Belarus has to remove import bans on 'unfriendly nations' to get potatoes to sell to Russia. Meanwhile, Kim has set up potatoes and other vegetable production in North Korea. Oh I'll be glad to help Putin, put food on your table and all... I just need a few more missile tech data USBs and a few more crates of gold, you understand.

The best bit is that long term, assuming they can keep the production going, the West can no longer use 'we'll give you food if you stop chimping out about nooks' trick to get Kim to back down. If you got more food (relative) you don't need it so much any more.

>>64116122
Blame Roosevelt for having a hard-on for Stalin and vetoing Churchill's plans firstly to prevent Stalin taking eastern Europe and then cucking Churchill out of Operation Unthinkabke (and ordering the OSS to kill Patton).

>>64116127
>vetoing Churchill's plans firstly to prevent Stalin taking eastern Europe and then cucking Churchill out of Operation Unthinkabke
the Labour Party had a big hand in that too

>>64116130
Operation Unthinkable, yes, but not the original plan that Churchill said
>Land in the Balkans instead of Southern France
Was veto'd by Eisenhower because 'Liberation of France is most important thing' and when they landed their rather large force in south France they found nothing but token resistance at best. So Stalin had all of the Balkans for himself, even if they didn't all fall to Gommunism he had his fingers in their pie.

Grim state of affairs. Thankfully Labour and Tories are the same fucking thing these days, racing to which party can surpass 1984's shit quickest while grifters set up shit like Reclaim Britain.

>>64116136
Rupert seems to be the only one with balls
and that's enough /pol/ for me

>>64115951
I wonder if he made it out.

>>64116124
Yeah, I guess it would have been something like Bargain Bin Barbarossa, I must have forgotten the name.

can't believe we got robbed of Dollar Store D-Day

Kek! The ukie sperg flood on Kikechan means the Russkies are utterly crushing the dumbass ukies again. You faggots only pull this shit when the Russians really beat the fuck out you faggots. Zelensky will either flee Ukraine never to return or get whacked by his own men before the end of this year. See you around you ukie cucks.

>>64116345
Brown

>>64116350
It's bait

>>64115951
>SOMEONE'S POISONED THE WATERHOLE!

>>64116345
Back to leftypol

>>64116363
The most retarded of bait is completely indistinguishable from the most legible of turdie seethe.

>>64116303
We’re having Bootleg Bastogne though.

People who shill for Russia should be put on a list, rounded up and put in cargo planes then airdropped sans parachute over Belgrade

>>64116389
Why are you against democratic values?

>>64116395
Ok fine, they get little umbrellas.

>>64115343 (OP)
If hohols are loosing army, or cannot restore solid fronts after our mightly breaches, painting map red will be very easy. You saw it already in 2022 when we caught them pants off. Literally 48 hours till Kiev outskirts.

>>64116389
They should be forced to live in Norilsk.

>>64115473
> having a 3:1 population advantage
About 4 times larger before SMO.
> when you lose 14 men for every Ukrainian you kill
A believing in this is sign of imbecility.

>>64116421
>sign of imbecility.
so is being russian

>>64116413
Why are ziggers so into pedo tranny cunny cartoons?

>>64116442
It’s part of their culture.

>>64115949
Russia is like the toddler that dropped his icecream, instead of crying about it he knocks his brothers icecream out of his hand as well.

>>64116421
If Russians are equally trading on losses and have a larger population than Ukraine, why haven't they occupied the entire country yet?

>>64115715
update your script botnik. most of you shits moved on to simping for le mighty changs after the AIDS bear got stuck in donbawe and became a chang vassal orbiter. The northest of koreas

the Zuck is a nazi???

>>64116499
the international nazionist cabal is actually real the nazis were screaming at jews to go to Palestine or we will kill you well they did do that but my point is they agreed on things

>>64116471
Because Russia uses voluntaries, avoiding full-scale mobilization, unlike Ukraine who uses last ot its draft potential. Say, Strelkov-Girkin criticized Kremlin for that a lot, he wanted fast victory.

>>64115449
>No, Russia will ultimately win a 20 year war of attrition simply by have a much larger economy and population.

4 times larger population isnt such an advantage if you have a casualty rate of 1:4, at that point is an even engagement, as for the economy, the well is drying up quickly, the russians did a good job at exhausting every alternative method of of financing the war they had, but this year their government deficit is growing rapidly, so either they will have to cut money from everything or print money and risk hyperinflation

but heck money is one thing, they dont even have the infrastructure to replenish their material losses, even if the russian economy was all nice and well, they would still be in big trouble

>>64116513
>Russia uses voluntaries
and here i was thinking the mobiks dying in ukraine were called mobiks because they were mobilized, aka forcibly conscripted into service

>>64116139
3rd degree burns all over and fractures from falling down that well, i highly doubt it

>>64116513
>Because Russia uses voluntaries, avoiding full-scale mobilization
Why?

ISW's report from Sunday comments on this.

They key sentence here:
> Russian forces have conducted relatively few but costly mechanized assaults in Ukraine thus far in 2025 due to the effectiveness of Ukrainian drone strikes against armored vehicles, instead prioritizing infantry-led assaults and assaults on expendable motorcycles and other light vehicles

>>64116345
Do you honestly think it’s a massive shill effort? I know Ukrainians and see this as purely self defense for them so yeah I want Ukraine to survive. Does that make me a shill?

>>64116513
Ukraine hasn’t even touched the 20 year olds

>>64116526
Some were really "partially mobilized", but it were specialists. Infantry was gathered by offering good money and using prisoners as alternative to jail.

>>64115343 (OP)
Just going by the numbers we have video or picture proof of them being removed from storage or destroyed in Ukraine, Russia should have 3000 tanks left. This number is probably high because there were tanks destroyed of which we havee no picture evidence, of course.

They should also have between 4000 aand 6000 IFVs and APCs.

So yes, they shoould be ablle to use this in a mechanized offensive. . .if they can supppoort suchh a move logistically.
Since they are currently pushing forward with infantry infiltration tactics that are supplied by drone drops, I think this may be their bottleneck.
AAnd mamaybe they want to keep those tanks in reserve in case somobody tried to send peacekeeping forces into histoorically Chinese territory to oprevent unrest from spreading, or to prevent harm to Chinese speakers in the area.

Did you know Chinese kids are not allowed to learn Chinese in schools north of the Amur?

>>64116516
>casualty rate of 1:4
we haven't reached that point, however
Ukraine spent years telling us we have - and the braindead fanboys on this board said they must have, and decried all evidence against it as "zigger propaganda" - until last December Zelensky revealed that no, the casualty ratio is not there yet
>Dec 2024
>AFU: 43,000 KIA, 370,000 WIA
>RFAF: 198,000 KIA, 550,000 WIA
even then the KIA/WIA ratio for Ukraine is suspiciously low, so Western analysts are hesitant to use even these figures
we do know that at least 20,000 of those WIA are maimed which means they are unlikely to serve again, save perhaps as clerks

leaving aside the issue of more granular estimates, the point is that the total casualty ratio at that date was 1:1.8
not 1:4 yet

>>64116550
>14:1
get over it faggot

>>64116530
Because it's unpopular measure for civils, and also may trash remains or ru economics.

>>64116556
Why? Do Russians not support Putin?

>>64116537
as also reported by Kofman, and the Troika and RUSI think tanks
how many times must it be said before people begin to believe?

>>64116549
actually,
>video or picture proof of them being removed from storage or destroyed in Ukraine
would support that Russia has lost about 4,000 tanks, but also regenerated its tank army by having drawn about the same number of tanks from its stockpiles

>>64116546
>Ukraine hasn’t even touched the 20 year olds
Yes, they also have women stockpiles to feed a grinder. Probem with such soldiers is that they are bad at combat and lean to retreat or surrender.

>>64115715
Thirdie moron detected since an adult human would have referred to Russia and known better than that in the first place.

The USSR era did not span all Russian history of which every Russian is well aware.

The Russian empire was a weak world power (the Russo-Japanese war comes to mind) before incompetence led to the treaty of Brest-Litovsk after Germany defeated it in WWI. That kickstarted the Bolshevik revolution, civil war and their conquest of what became the USSR in 1922.

The only time the USSR as such was "near collapse" was 1941. When it was disbanded voluntarily after the Warsaw Pact consensually evaporated that was an informed choice due to economic incompetence.

>>64116562
We want to support Putin and [Z] from comfy homes and watch successes over color TVs. Such a normal for humans, no?

>>64115789
>Running away from fights you were going to win can be a good idea if the fight costs more than the prize is worth

That post deserves a bronze plaque. Pyrrhic victories are worse than useless.

>>64115350
Only midwit retards things those things are contradictory. USSR invaded Afghanistan, while not being able to feed its people with basic bitch food and surviving on oil export money as a sandnigger petro-state. Doesn't change the fact that it had millions of people in the army, tens of thousands of tanks, nukes and other shit.

>>64116571
I like how puccians and their shills project this when they're sending people in crutches and the sick with no guns to the front line

>>64115675
You forgot about the national truck and car industry collapsing, despite a ton of demand from the army: car makes went to 4 day week schedule, truck industry is so fucked that they've lobbied a ban on chink trucks.

>>64115675
>only place pozzia looks big is on the map
Russia has only two allies: retarded US politicians and the Mercator map projection.

>>64116605
kek

>>64115779
>>64115790
They've classified most of the important stuff in early days on the invasion to hide the obvious effect of sanctions and war economy. It's just that people started tracking other less direct indicators instead, so those also got classified.

>>64116605
even vodka betray them
it is cursed

>>64115869
They could take over the Baltics in 36 hours, mostly because the Baltics are small and don't have neither the demography nor the strategic depth to retreat to. But they'd probably do this by pilling 1+ million of faggots on foot and lose like 300-500K in the process.

>>64116499
Obergeschäftsführer Zuckerberg

>>64116623
They could if their allies stood by and did nothing. Which is a gamble. Might be worth it though.

>>64116530
They are scared about internal stability and rats escaping the sinking ship. The mass mobilization drive in 2022 caused 1+ million (probably more, but it's russia so you'll never get real data) men to escape in days.

>>64116632
>They could if their allies stood by and did nothing
Define "nothing" kek. Lip service, some easily dodgeable BS sanctions, sending some MREs and shit and then "we've tried" and "we'll never acknowledge the annexation".
Look at how everyone's afraid to even acknowledge russian drones flying into Europe.
The amount of faggots who'll spin the "why die for Riga" and shit will be insane. Ook-ooking will go into overdrive. The desire to look away is big, when the alternative is painfully fighting back not for yourself, but for your friends and neighbors.
If they don't touch Poland in the process, any attempt of Poland to join in will be painted as aggressive warmongering and shit like that.

>>64116652 <- anon's unfortunately right, the NATO generals are sounding the alarm for the Baltics early because most politicians (and by extension, their voters) still don't believe the Russians are willing to roll that dice

heck, just look at the ongoing war; Russia would have disintegrated into fifty republics by now if the NATO citizens had just voted to give Ukraine half a trillion dollars (just 1% of NATO's GDP) of funding and weapons indefinitely

>>64116571
Says who?

>>64116548
you're either mobilized or you aren't, doofus.
plenty of people were "mobilized" or outright kidnapped to go to war in ukraine.
the LPR and DPR are probably left without men at this point because they've all been sent to the front against their will.

>>64116652
The baltics are in NATO, so it would be fully within Poland's legal rights to respond as forcefully as they want if Russia did touch them. The problem is that realistically Poland won't go that far out on a limb if the rest of NATO pussies out, by which I mean the US. The US is the only other NATO country with a military that could immediately intervene against the current mobilized Russian army, and the US has never been a less dependable ally than at this moment.

>>64116681
>the LPR and DPR are probably left without men at this point because they've all been sent to the front against their will.
More or less, yeah. I know I guy from Donetsk who left the region, had to go through russia and FSB concentration camps, torture and beating, interrogation, all the fun stuff.

>>64116670
Hohols' army officers themselves.

>>64116681
> t. cannot comprehend the concept of "partial"

>>64116687
>the concept of "partial"
>go to the front ivan!
>but i have no legs
>no problem, it's a partial mobilization

>>64116682
>The baltics are in NATO
Doesn't mean shit.
1. For once, there isn't a single mechanism in NATO to actually force others to fight on behalf on an invaded member. "Support" can be in many forms. When russians invaded Ukraine in 2014, US looked the other way and sent some MREs and army tents, avoiding sending even light defensive equipment. This is despite the whole nuke deal and so on. This proved that paper doesn't protect you. When the time comes, it will mean nothing.
2. NATO doesn't have the will to fight, it can't even rearm normally or increase production of stuff for the local hollowed out armies. For the last 30+ years NATO coasted on the idea that US would go in and fight for them, or this idea was enough of a deterrent for no one to even try it. US is fucked, russia minfucked the US so much that people in power right now won't do shit. Without US being the main muscle, NATO is fucked.

>>64116687
Just because you fucked some guy in the ass doesn't make you "partially gay", you're a full blown faggot, Ivan.

>>64116696
>Doesn't mean shit.
>UK and France defensive alliance with Poland don't mean shit, I will attack Danzig
For people who supposedly read history you surely don't learn from it, but go ahead and try it
>But muh le nukes
Yes, the elite who's kids live and have citizenships of western countries will nuke them

>>64116732
>UK and France defensive alliance with Poland don't mean shit
My retarded friend, Poland ended up being occupied for almost a half a century and UK and France did jack shit.

>>64116696
When russia invaded in 2014 USA was preoccupied with ISIS and a USA citizen James Foley getting beheaded by them on television, they didn't look the other way, they were distracted, Americans care about other Americans, russians don't care about russians, but try attacking NATO and see what happens

>>64116739
>they didn't look the other way
Why do you lie? US _actively_ looked the other way, explicitly denying request for support as to "not anger russia" and shit.

>>64116737
And where is the Third Reich? And where is the Soviet Union for that matter? Again, call your oligarch and tell them to invade NATO and nuke the place where their kids are, see what happens, I'm just curious about this kvetching of yours, is it convince us or you are trying to convince yourself?

>>64116696
Ukraine wasn't in NATO or even the EU. While the US should have done more to honor the Budapest memorandum, the biggest fault of that treaty was that half the signatories were doing the invading. NATO has the advantage of being a treaty across a large number of wealthy nations that are economically entwined. If a country is seen as not honoring it, there is a considerable amount of pressure the other member can exert on it. In theory that's safer, but the problem is that so much of NATO is so hollowed out that the US is basically the only nation that's capable of providing more than token or monetary support, and it's also the least able to be pressured by the other members, and also at its lowest moral character.

>>64116746
>And where is the Soviet Union for that matter?
Currently getting US position in the world dismantled by fucking over the US political system. Russia is the soviet union, they never stopped seeing the west as the enemy, while you retards drank the koolaid about partnerships and peace.
Also, nice of you to discount 45 years of occupation and repressions for the country which had a so-called alliance with France and UK.

>>64116745
Whatever helps you cope, if you don't know about ISIS in 2014 then you are ignorant

>>64116499
Well you see, truth is outlawed in Pidorstan so if your platform is used for posting something different from the official narrative - you're a nazi hohol terrorist

>>64116751
>Ukraine wasn't in NATO or even the EU
So what? When the pidor horde would march into Lithuania some other nigger will cope that they "weren't the real Europe" and so on, probably also something about "well they didn't fight for themselves, so why should we fight for them". And you faggots would reproduce the russian metodichka about "they were always a part of russia, so it's okay". Fuck you.

>>64116758
>you're a nazi hohol terrorist
Sounds based to me

>>64116753
Churchill wanted to attack USSR, USA was too tired, nothing more to add, if Americans wanted they could've destroyed USSR from 45-60s when soviets didn't have defenses and USA could've deflected all USSR nukes, but Americans in their goodness didn't destroy the red scourge, now they are a gas station bum fighting the most corrupt and poorest country in Europe, some things are worse than death and russians are in it now, attacking NATO would be suicide by cop for russia but again all their kids are in the West, but keep convincing yourself you can take pieces from NATO when you can't even occupy Donetsk

>>64116732
My nigger in Christ.
Ww2 Poland is the worst parallel you could have given as an example.
After they got fucking steamrolled what followed basically was known as the "phony war" where the French didn't want to go in and were firing artillery at empty fields and the Brits were 90% not ready.
And we all know how they got blitzkrieged after that.
And keep in mind these were 99% white and Christian colonial powers France and UK not the modern nafri muslim broke socialist pseudo-republics.
Try to convince a white zommer or gen alfa to die in fucking East Germany when he can't afford to leave mums basement and outside he is greeted by a brown rapist horde. Try to convince Mehmed and his 7 sons who live off welfare to go die for what they perceive as "western imperialist interests" against their chechen and uzbeck brothers.
Kek, you can really tell that the average age her is late 30s to early 40s,most posters are living at least 15-20 years in the past.

>>64116771
>USA was too tired
After doing nothing, compared to others. That's kinda the problem with US as an ally, your support and survivability depends on yet another fucked up electoral bullshit of the american society.

>>64116753
Yet as always it fights the Soviet Union. Curious upward trend.

>>64116771
>the most corrupt
unironically that's just RU propaganda working its way over the decades
you literally Orbangutan in EU chilling in his personal royal palace, despite not having any official income for it, you literally have guys like Schröder working in gazprom and shit

>>64116767
Well the real answer is that the US and EU were trying to be buddy buddy with Russia at the time. They literally invited them to the G7 and there was an active whitewashing campaign in the news and popular media to make Russia seem like a first world country instead of the aids ridden mafia state shithole it is. Western companies had gone all in on Russia, and Ukraine and Georgia were seen as acceptable casualties. Russians constantly try to spin the 2000's and 2010's as a period of period where the world bullied and villainized Russia, completely ignoring how hard the west bent over backwards to accommodate the fucking monkeys and get in bed with Putin.

>>64116781
Nta but what is funny to me is that when they go in on what is essentially not that important personal project wars(see Vietnam and Afghanistan) they are willing to waste decades and trillions before they finally call it quits but give them an actual important war which has their interests in balance and they go "Nah senpai I am good".
I can't wait for them to pussy out to Chynuh over Taiwan even though the chunks are incredibly incompetent and retarded.

>>64116797
So.Much.This.

>>64116774
And russia with 20% Muslims and Putin afraid to do mobilization will just storm NATO with their volunteer scooters, laughable
>>64116781
Even if that is the case in fighting itself the USA fought Japan in the Pacific alone and USA fed and armed all the allies, including the USSR hence now without lend lease russians can't even defeat a country that USA gave 34 Abrams which is fuck all

>>64115650
>Only 20 more years to kyiv!

>>64116806
> Kiev
fix

>>64115726
If that's the most of what you can achieve, no I don't think think that qualifies.

>>64116805
>USA fought Japan in the Pacific alone
Japan was a paper tiger, a dwarf when compare to US of A.

>>64116812
it's 10km of Ukraine that the Ukrainians aren't getting back anytime soon

>>64116823
>He says this after puccians captured a tiny farm and a town of 2000 people while losing close to 20k troops and irreplaceable equipment
The mind of a Zigger

>>64115343 (OP)
They do, because they've been sending waves of trash so they can stockpile and amass equipment in relative safety rather than throwing ready assets piecemeal

>>64116571
20 year olds have been prime soldier stock since the concept of a soldier was invented, especially in a technological war like this where learning on the job is basically mandatory and young fresh minds are good for innovation. The reason they dont want to use them is because of demographics that are already bad

>>64116813
Indeed Japan was a dwarf.
In 1939 the Japanese economy was relative to the United States was only a meagre 0.15x. Its population only 0.55x. Today the Russian economy relative to the United States is 0.075x. Its population only 0.42x. On paper, it has tigers.

>>64116813
They had the most aircraft carriers in the world prior to us entry Into the war

>>64116837
TCK officers (manhunters) are already beaten by civil hohols. Their patience is over too. Good luck them taking literally children to war.

>>64115684
>being unable to actually exploit a lucky break means you're winning
You many levels of projection are you even on, vatnigger?

>>64115343 (OP)
>Trusting Zelensky as a source
About as stupid as trusting Putin

>>64116605
Lel

>>64115721
>fuck Ukrainian claims, the map doesn't lie
Ukrainian claims are infinitely more credible than zigger claims, and the mapos are lying all the goddamn time. Try again, vatnigger.

>>64115721
>it "worked" up until 3 days ago when, going by known information so far, literally nothing of actual strategic relevance happened
FTFY. So far, it looks like it's still working well enough that Russia will need another 50 years to make it to Kyiv.

>>64116823
But if it's not exploited, it puts russia no closer to winning, unless it truly aims to capture ukraine 10km at a time. Land on it's own has no intrinsic strategic benefit. Only if it has context that gives it value does it matter .

>>64116781
>doing nothing
>literally carrying the entire allied logistics and supply while fighting on 3 fronts
>nothing

>>64115761
No, no you don't understand. This was before the gloves came off super cereal

>>64115721
>Hitler ran the MEFO bill scam for a full decade
Hitler had the advantage of it being an actually competently put together scam he inherited form people who knew their shit well enough that him meddling with it only slowly caused it to go to shit. Quite unlike Russias extremely rushed and desperate attempts to shore up their ongoing economic collapse after 2022.

>>64116860
ssh stupid american
i know you like to focus on metaphysical contributions one cannot measure but russia measures with blood and land. on that it always wins

>>64116859
>Land on it's own has no intrinsic strategic benefit
this. We didn't need it anyway

>>64115626
you mean the dollar store Duce is falling for it

>>64116568
Everyone believes that Russkie mechanized assualts have been fewer and fewer, retard. You vatniggers just are the only ones who try to explain it with retarded copium instead of the visible fact that they plain don't fucking have the AFVs anymore and their production sucks hairy donkey balls outside of the propaganda (You) keep desperately pushing.

>>64115790
Corruption is not a bug in ziggerstan, it's a feature!

>>64116865
unlike Hitler, Russia is still trading with China

>>64116866
>nuh uh doesn’t count
Fucking hell you vatniks think death is the only factor in any argument

>>64116576
>When it was disbanded voluntarily
You mean when it collapsed due to economic catastrophe and political failure. Your "informed choice" was literally brought about by a hardliner coup attempt that destabilized the entire political structure beyond any hope of repair or slavation, and then everyone just up and left. You're being absolutely delusional even by vatnigger standards.

>>64115343 (OP)
I'd say they have just enough armor for one last push. However, if the push goes badly then Russia isn't going to have anything left.

Proof? None, it's just a feeling.

well, there's the answer. fanboys like >>64116873 still will not give up their fantasies even in the face of all those reports

>>64116860
Please compare the amount of hardcore land fighting, when compared to Brits or soviets and come back to me.

>>64116623
Cool sotrty, bro. Meanwhile, what the Baltics have is total military superiority in every single last regard due to being EU members. The hziggers could pile on a million, and would just see all of them butchered wholesale over the span of a month or two, without ever getting anywhere.

>>64115792
It really didn't. 200k was pathetic for something as humongous as ukraine. Both hitler and stalin rampaged through it with at least a million dedicated grunts. For odessa salient alone germans sent in 200k to clear it

If the manlet monke in the kremlin would really be a student of history, he would have called out the ass kissers for bullshitting him pre invasion

>>64116880
We've seen their previous "big pushes" they already don't have anything left besides bodies.

>>64116886
No wonder russia got to the point they're are. They're entire national identity relies on them ignoring logistics matter lol

>>64116897
Being tired of logistics is gay

>>64116823
>anytime soon
Depends on your definition. Russia is going to catastrophically collapse within a year mor two at this rate, and then Ukraine gets back the entire Donbas and Crimea.

>>64116886
>soviets
>allying the nazis while the British fight them alone
>dying en mass while the British prop up your faggot state that they hate
>then the Americans literally totally bankroll your infrastructure and logistics train while starting 2 other fronts and fighting in another continent
Pathetic nation of subhumans

>>64116897
their national identity relies on them sucking and dying

>>64116903
>Russia is going to catastrophically collapse within a year mor two at this rate
the funny thing about that prediction is that last year fanboys here said that Russia is going to collapse by summer 2025

well, here we are

>>64116883
>fanboys
This your new script, vatnigger? Sad, even by your ilks standards. No amount of copium on your part is going to make the visible tank shortage go away.

>>64115874
Baltic states have been buying ammo luke crazy since 2022 and now some of them are fortifying the border. Pay attention doomer, turns out those with their own skin on the line do pay attention

>>64116875
Okay, and? Doesn't really change that the russian econonmy is collapsing and the sovereign welfare fund is on track to run out before the end of this year. I wonder how much trade there'll be with China when the Russians can't pay for chinese products anymore.

>>64116903
>Russia is going to catastrophically collapse within a year mor two at this rate, and then Ukraine gets back the entire Donbas and Crimea.
Absolutely insane take.

>>64116906
>Pathetic nation of subhumans
I agree, but still doesn't change the fact that US had it easy during WW2.

>>64116908
>their national identity relies on them sucking and fucking
fixed that for ya

>>64116922
>easy

>>64116916
>the russian econonmy is collapsing
that's what you said last year
>the sovereign welfare fund is on track to run out before the end of this year
but you said the whole nation's economy would have collapsed by this year
now it's just the sovereign welfare fund?
bit of a letdown there, mate

>>64116911
Nah, the funny thing iks that you delusional vatniggers have siad mthat Ukraine ,is goiung to collapse in two weeks for well over 3 years now, all while the situation has just kept getting increasingly more catastrophic for Russia with every one of those 42 months that went by.

Also, post Sovereign Welfare Fund.

>>64116915
Oh yes, they built metal grid cope-fenences on boards. Hohols had such too some time.

Looks thet they don't work against tank.

>>64116932
Yes, the fighting was easier, there was no fighting at home, no bombings of civilians, none of the horrific losses that others have had and so on.

Somethings got him all confident today

>>64116935
No serious person has said Ukraine is going to collapse in "two weeks". Equally, no serious person thinks the Russian economy is "collapsing".

>>64116933
>would have collapsed
It's already in the process, my brown friend, and it's becoming harder and harder to hide that

>>64116922
>Had it easy
Hard disagree, they were the strongest power and made it look easy, but that doesn't mean they had it easy
That undermines the massive logistical efforts that were realistically mind bogglingly complex to have to tie together.
Let alone the actual in theater warfare which also wasn't easy
The soviets could have had the US geography, resources and war entrance and still would have fucked it beyond belief

>>64116944
>No serious person has said Ukraine is going to collapse in "two weeks"
*except in literally the first two weeks of the war when no one knew what was going on and it did look pretty bad.

>>64116928
yeah, fucking other men lol

>>64116911
>>64116919
Try not to samefag this obviously, ziggie.

>>64116933
No really, try not to samefag this hard. It's blatantly obvious.

Also, again: Post Sovereign Welfare Fund.
Post real inflation rate.
Post fossil fuel sales and Gasprom profits.
Post bread prices.

>just the sovereign welfare fund
Yeah, "just" the final financial reserves of the russian state, the only thing that's preventing full-on national bankruptcy. I guess economic literacy can be added to the things the average vatnigger barbarian is incapable of understanding. No wonder you're losing this war.

>>64116953
>Try not to samefag this obviously, ziggie.
Multiple people disagree with you. Instead of crashing out, make an argument or just dont reply.

>>64116953
>>64116935
>>64116946
>It's already in the process
I certainly agree it's "in the process", but YOU said that would happen by this year

>>64116894
Then they might be conserving the last of their armor but it's more likely that there's not enough armored vehicles left for a push. I doubt Russia is completely out of armor, life is never that clean.

Mind, we might be looking at a half rusted T-34 that hasn't seen use since the 60s but that's still armor.

>>64116941
The British had a rough time and stood alone, they fought in every theater and despite midwits understanding of the war performed most admirably by and large
But they didn't suffer disgusting losses either, the russians and Chinese (neither of which should be considered the allies) are simply that much more inferior

>>64116953
>Post real inflation rate.
It doesn't matter because the state received money in foreign currency from export

>>64116922
>US had it easy during WW2.
Only in relation to the fact that they didnt actually have to fight a war on the ground or air at home.

They carried two theaters of the war, one of which they effectively solo'd. They took about 1.1 million casualties in the process.

>>64116960
seconded
bongs did really well given their resource limitations
alas, that was their greatest generation, it's been straight downhill from there

>>64116944
>No serious person
Agreed. Your ilk are not persons, vatnigger. You're vermin.

>Equally, no serious person thinks the Russian economy is "collapsing".
Au contraire, everyomne who qualifies as a serious person in economic matters is well aware that russia economy is in a state of de facto collapse and has been for a while now, and no amount lof kneejerk denikal from vermin like (You) can change that.

>>64116953
>Gasprom profits
Seems to me that they are enough since they continue to fight

>>64115963
>>64115992
You are both retarded. Estonia alone will balloon to over 50k total war time if it mobilises it reserves. Which is adequate for the tight choke point terrain they will be defending

You are making the typical mistake of confusing peace time cadre and reserve training structure for the war time one. Functionally, estonia takes after finland how it prepared itself. or what. Are you going to quote finns peace time reserve training brigades as also its final war time army?

Out of the three estonia is the best prepared. followed by lithuania. Latvia is the weak link as they made the mistake of abolishing reserve training during end of history fart sniffing and are now stuck with a single undermanned battalion filled with mercs speaking exclusively vatnik

>>64115343 (OP)
I did have something of a soft spot for the later T-80s purely on aesthetic grounds. I'm glad they are protecting it like the white rhinoceros.
IN THE FUCKING US

>>64116970
>50k total war time if it mobilises it reserves
50K is nothing

>>64116956
>>64116957
>>64116962
>continues samefagging
Lol, pathetic.

>inflation doesn't matter
LMAO, keep proving your utter economic illiteracy, retard.

>muh export
You mean the one that's fallen off a cliff and cannot hope to cover even a small fraction of the states expenditures, retard?

>>64116972
if i may finish my thought
you FUCKING MORONS
its like a species surviving only captive in the zoo
you slavic philistines

>>64116976
Nah

>>64116976
You're gonna meltdown any second now

>>64116969
Seems to me that you're an economically illiterate retard and vatnigger (but I repeat myself), since Russias economy is in collapse with the last financial reserves being slated to run out before the end of the year, at which point there's only one choice left: SHlortage sof everything at the frontline due to industrial collapse, or shortages of everything at the frontline due to the military budget having to be cut massively. When your military budget goes down in the midst of war, it generally means you're losing.

Keep coping about it, vatnigger.

>>64116960
Also, fun fact - economically the British mobilized "more" than any other country and out produced the Russians for the duration of the war. They quite literally engaged in "total war" economically and they did it from 1940 onwards.

>>64116968
Hey man, sperg out all you want. You'll just stop getting (you)'s.

>>64116987
>Russias economy is in collapse with the last financial reserves being slated to run out before the end of the year,
HUGE if true. Source?

>>64116967
They were breaking after WW1, WW2 was what broke their back
You have to feel for them, and they punch above their weight even now
I always rant on about sea/airlift capabilites when people start comparing (non US) militaries because they are seemingly the only people who can actually deploy their (crumbled) military where they want, while everyone else just harps on about XYZ vehicle or wunderwaffe or whatever

What brought out the vatnik today?

>>64117005
idk but I cant wait until this war ends so that (you) and the vatniks can get the fuck off my board.

>>64117002
yeah
well, sadly their lift capabilities are now crumbling too
but I've given up mourning the bongs. I actually think now maybe it's better that the United Kaliphate doesn't their hands on a capable fleet

>>64116988
It's incredible, they shipping their Arctic convoys through horrible conditions to keep the soviet scum in the fight the whole while, their merchant navy deserves so much respect
Its also a major factor for the impossibility of sealion and their ability to win the battle of Britain that's strangley ignored by laymen

>>64117016
spitfires are sex. simple as.
whatever you're talking about? doesn't sell idk what it is

>>64116111
Underrated reply

>>64116987
>Russia's chronic vehicle shortage has a companion chronic artillery shortage, leaving daily increasing areas with no artillery in Russian front lines. Ukraine now has artillery and drone dominance. Russia can only use air power ,or shorten its lines to retain the same of artillery cover.There will be an increased mix of begging threats and other PR stunts by the Kremlin to try and get a ceasefire as they have lost this war(Happened/Happening). Russia will no longer be able to mount any mechanized offensive operations or offensive operation with artillery support by spring and Russia will be effectively defenseless against its neighbors if they advance onto Russian territory.
>Why economic collapse will force Putin to end the war

>They will care when there is not enough artillery to stop the Ukrainians breaching their front and going on a rampage. They are running on fumes and are done this summer. Same with cash reserves. The fact that you think Russians don't care about no artillery or no money? Irrelevant. No pay for pensioners or state employees, constantly increasing food prices and in the field Ukraine having artillery while they have none in trench warfare? Game over.

isn't this you?
so now you're shifting the goalposts to
>last financial reserves being slated to run out before the end of the year
?

we've gone from "by spring" to "this summer" and now we're at "end of the year"

>>64117032
I'm not neutrooler. I simply want all shills off my board.

>>64117027
cheers
I meant to post a skateboarding trick pic with it

>>64116652
Well if sanctions are so easily dodgeable and avoidable, then why is monke demanding they be removed at every opportunity. You demoralised doomer cunt

Ukraine war shows how shit ziggers are at war and it also shows western civilization will back one way or another the right side. If they help themselves and show effective fight back. Baltics fate is up to them not fuck it up, arm for war and kick ziggers teeth in like 2022. The advantage is on their side as this very thread shows most are grossly underestimating them. Just like most doomer cunts, like you, were dooming about ukraine in 2022 pre invasion

Poland is guaranteed to join the war at the first sight of ziggers stalling out no matter what western ass kvechers say. Kts national suicide not to

>>64115850
Imagine If Zelensky agrees to meet to sign a document needing the land to Russia, only to suckerpunch the old man, when going in for a handshake. Probably just a deranged fantasy of mine, but after the absolute dumpster fire that was the meeting in the white house back in February, I feel like we might actually get to see two heads of state in an actual brawl during the Trump presidency.

>>64115343 (OP)
We'll find out once vids from the breakthrough/counter attack come out. If the Russians were able to deploy significant armored assets to exploit one of the very few breakthroughs they've had we'll know that they are indeed conserving them.

On the other hand, if we see nothing but scooter cavalry then we'll know that the Russians really are running out of tanks.

>>64117041
one way or another I wish Putin would slap Trump
there's no outcome from that which can't be good

>>64117038
>I'm not neutrooler

>>64117040
Russia is not going to invade the Balts because they are all in NATO. This whole discussion is so fucking retarded.

>>64117038
watching ziggers die has been ultrabased. if you don't like it you can fuck off back to twitter

>>64117040
>Well if sanctions are so easily dodgeable and avoidable, then why is monke demanding they be removed at every opportunity. You demoralised doomer cunt
If sanctions weren't easily dodgeable and avoidable, russia wouldn't be able to buy fuckin' military gear from western companies a-ha https://informnapalm.org/en/french-equipment-thales-safran-for-russian-aircraft/

>>64117051
>watching ziggers die has been ultrabased
Did I say it wasn't?

What I am complaining about is the tidal wave of shilling we have had to endure. Because of shills (Russian, Ukranian, Pajeets, Chang whatthefuckever) we cant ever talk about the war in any meaningful way. I want them gone. Simple as.

I really wonder why this guy who hates all Ukraine war discussion is in a thread about the Ukraine war, and instead of just telling us all to fuck off, he specifically told somebody laughing at vatniks to fuck off

>>64117022
Their industrial capacity, the effort of the populace and their structure and care for their airmen meant the air war over Britain was ultimately hopeless for Germany, and the contribution of everyone involved in that should be remembered too

>>64117011
I mean you're not wrong, and it's a bed of their own making in a sense, but when it comes down to it they are why we are who we are, they brought about the values dear to us of liberty, and the anglosphere might be falling into shitty governance but the people are still the people and there's no one closer to us than our anglo brothers, culturally, idealistically or genetically

>>64117038
>I simply want all shills off my board
EZ: geoIP block russia, china, india. Simple as.

>>64117067
Solves only half the problem because NAFO cringelords are scattered across the globe.

>>64117050
I gave up speaking with any certainty about what Russia will or will not do since I posted this years ago:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/51027025/#51036719

>>64117078
hehehe

>>64117077
>NAFO cringelords
Do not exist outside Twitter or however musk calls it these days

>>64117078
There are some things you can talk about with absolute certainty. Russia is not going to risk MAD over the fucking Balts.

>>64117077
>still seething about the twitter dogs
you gotta go back

>>64117082
WRONG, they live in the head of every single /pol/ tourist for some reason

>>64117032
>P-PICK A SIDE!!
lolno

>>64117065
>when it comes down to it they are why we are who we are, they brought about the values dear to us of liberty, and the anglosphere might be falling into shitty governance but the people are still the people and there's no one closer to us than our anglo brothers, culturally, idealistically or genetically
my thoughts pretty much exactly
in the end it feels like my life is just going to be fighting as the final remnants of the traditional anglosphere, itself the remnants of the Pax Britannica

I finally understand now why Tolkien wrote about the Elves choosing to go West and just walk away from the world

>>64117088
Yes, I am upset that we cant talk about the biggest happening of a lifetime because some dudes, perhaps even (you), are so deeply invested in it on an emotional level.

>>64117077
whay do turdies let the stupid meme dogs live in their heads?

>>64116994
hes probably thinking of this

>>64117112
>zigger this, zigger that
*nafotroon*
>uhh WOW, this is not okay. Problematic much??
I'm sick of you people

>>64117094
Nice to hear the sentiment goes about because it's swung too far away from it now really, I blame people wanting to be unique or avoid the "boring" option and forgetting the roots
We all share the same history, we should care about pre Americas English history as our own as much as they do
Funnily enough Tolkein is what set me down the path of anglobooism

>>64117131
>behave like niggers
>get called the same
>get upset about it
why are you retards like this

>>64115343 (OP)
war is over if they take odesa, then they travel from moldova/belarus into the neighboring countries

>>64117131
>I'm sick of you people
then maybe you should take your brown ass back to twitter where you belong

>>64117143
you first redd*t fuck

>>64117147
>you first redd*t fuck

>>64117143
Does monke currently allow them to go there? It's hard to keep track these days.

>>64117135
it was when I thought long and hard about why liberals and global southers are so furiously committed to erasing British culture in the name of "secularism", "anti-imperialism" and "multi-culturalism" that I realised how much of our values and morality is tied up in all of that. they didn't just want a culture war; they wanted to wipe out the moral values on which this entire world as we know it is founded.

but anyway all that is above my head
I just want to live long enough to not get beheaded, pass down my small piece of the world to my children and die peacefully.
they'll have the harder time of it.
this too I learned from my father. when he told me just a decade ago I thought the world can't possibly be that bad.

boy was I wrong.

>>64117155
even if actual Puccians aren't allowed to go there Glavset certainly will. Also there are lots of useful idiots nobody can really do much about, other than finding out who they are for the next day of the rope

>>64117131
Reminder that this guy totally hates both sides

>>64117153
>schizo collage
not clicking it bozo

>>64117166
can you conceive that your attitude is just as insufferable as the russian shills?

>>64117175
Can you conceive that people without twitter accounts hate ziggers?

>>64117175
The only one being insufferable here is you.

>>64117078
>Republican Mike Turner are urging U.S. President Joe Biden to further arm Ukraine
>Removed from HIC first week after the return of the größter Verhandlungsführer aller Zeiten

>>64117161
Realistically you can start pinpointing it's beginnings in literal Anglo-Saxon society, its such a fascinating topic and is why not only the Anglosphere, but most of the world is the way it now is (or is going)
>multiculturalism
Just remember it's cultural appropriation to wear a sombrero, but wearing a suit and not dying of dysentery because of modern medicine and infrastructure is just 'normal'

>>64117199
>libs: fuck the patriarchy
>also libs: you need to bring in the [patriarchal] cultures of Africa, India, and the Arabs, you bigot!

>>64117212
You have to wonder how they can merge that world view together, we'll you don't have to because the answer of ignorance is quite obvious
>liberal
No word has been raped quite so much I believe, such a tragedy

>>64117212
it's not a really deep thing it's assuming the best of others gone awry. other cultures = maybe not good, but fixable if they follow our great advice. our culture = fundamentally bad, needs to be completely reconstructed.

>>64115874
>>64115884
>>64116014
>>64116623
>>64116666
etc.

there has been exactly a single war in history between estonian state and vatniks. It ended with the latter getting routed so hard estonian military recon groups were looking at riga and pidorsburg through their binoculars. Also estonians were not fighting against the red vatniks alone, but also defeated the remnants of imperial german army trying to establish a germanic state across the entire baltics

all of this by building its freshly formed state, that had never existed before, army in literal months starting from jack and shit

I would not be so quick to go all in on zegroids. as some anon already pointed out everybody is vastly underestimating them. This includes ziggers, in their eternal imperial arrogance, are also thinking it will be a easy rape and robbery. Which means single line columns for three days to vilnius/riga/tallinn. Like its Kyiv 2022 again. You dont need massive formations to isolate and slaughter these with ease in basic ambushes. any sign of the wars prolonging will force the closest neighbors to interfere instead of trying to hope its fate accompli

>>64117232
and the same thing applies in reverse to whatever you call the antipodes on the based and trad spectrum

>>64117234
You talking post-WW1? The entirety of Eastern Europe was a fucking shitshow back then with everybody trying to make their own countries while the Red Army desperately tried to enslave every country even though they should have had bigger things to worry about
>there has been exactly a single war in history between estonian state and vatniks
What about WW2

>>64117002
What Broke them was the train of WW1-Depression-WW2-LL cancel. In retrospect I don't think the dismantling of the British Empire was a good thing compared to what replaced them

>>64115467
when you're some rushuman from the far east and the only skyline you're used to seeing is grey smog I can understand how you might think this is some impressive technology lel

>>64115358
That's just run-of-the-mill sociopathy crossed with FAS.

>>64115714
See this is a very good point. I live in the former East Bloc in a country that used to border the Soviet Union
You know how ziggers always say Ukrainians and Russians are/were actually brothers?
It's true in a way, but it's in the way that you don't choose your family.
And there is no shame in deciding you've had enough of dealing with your deadbeat alcoholic brother whose main preoccupation is staying out of jail just long enough to piss on his neighbour's fence

>>64115726
>you don't think a 10km breakthrough IS results?
No.

>>64115724
Us Romanians are even more retarded because in WW1 when the german were advancing we gave it to the Russians for safekeeping
Then 1917 happened and yeah we never saw it again
And then they did it again in the communist period but at least that time we didn't give it to them willingly

>>64115695
Stalin didn't really care about leaving so mark so much as he wanted revenge against everyone he thought wronged him. It's a subtle but important difference versus the wannabe-dictators that replaced him.

>>64115724
>how they just straight up came to us Bulgarians and took all our gold and silver in order to cover their collapsing economy twice
>>64117492
>Us Romanians are even more retarded because in WW1 when the german were advancing we gave it to the Russians for safekeeping
>Then 1917 happened and yeah we never saw it again
What the fuck, how many countries did they steal gold from?
The Spaniards lost their gold reserves to them during the civil war too

>>64117590
Why is this a recurring theme?

>>64116972
>the US now has more T-series tanks in storage than Russia

>>64115343 (OP)
I mean yeah. That's what most ceasefires are.
They give you time to rearm and regroup to continue fighting.
If he's not doing the same, then that's his fault.

>>64117262
>In retrospect I don't think the dismantling of the British Empire was a good thing
For dominions like Canada, Australia and New Zealand? It was probably good. For most of others? Not so much.

>>64115695
>Which you can see even with Stalin, whom those fucking retards refer to as "a good leader".
Not just "a good leader", the best. Literally top-1 in ratings.

>>64117456
>It's true in a way, but it's in the way that you don't choose your family.
bruh, russian are "family" to ukies only in a sense of a conman trying to scam some kids out of their inheritance by "adopting them"
think for a moment of what russians are doing to "deported" ukie kids

>>64117590
Russia is a mafia regime, always has been

>thread laughing at ruslims
>mindbroken vatniks crying about shiba inus and angry jeets furiously spamming disinformation

So it's the usual?

>>64115473
>when you lose 14 men for every Ukrainian you kill.
Lol, there is no fucking way.

>>64118032
That depends. It's not like ukies are super soldiers, it's just that most wounded russians die without getting help.

>>64115350
>Schrodinger's offensive

>>64118312
The mobiks are in a superimposed quantum state of getting raped, droned and having their e-scooters stuck in wire?

>>64118322
you cannot know whether the mobik is a lada or a box of cheetos until you observe via drone strike

>>64115894
Comedically inept case blue

>>64115894
>Bespoke Barbarossa
Bootleg Barbarossa

>>64116550
More than a million russians have been killed or wounded in the fighting so far

>>64118474
that's nowhere near enough

>>64115693
I can no longer tell if you are a seething tranny or a well poisoning zigger. oh, how far we have come in so little time.

>>64115350
yes it is that way in fact
i would say all neighbours but a couple at once for sure, would it work out? probably not but they could strike

>>64115358
stalin killed countless millions in gulags before the war and deuing the war they lost like 27 mil people, most not in combat mind you
yet russian see stalins as a hero and bassicly of father of the nation so to speak
such is life in the russian world, bassicly battered wife syndrome nationwide

>>64115626
trump is unironically a senile moron

>>64118725
We joked that Biden is a senile old fuck and somehow missed that Trump became the same thing

>>64116758
who tf is this whore cailtyn johnstone

>>64118730
you know realistically they both are senile morons but biden at least was not a maniac bent on revenge for "stolen election" and other bullshit nowadays even epstein was an obama agent sent to destroy trumps legacy LMAO.
There should an age cap of no more than 65 yo for politicians judges etc.
no more oldfag democracy bullshit

>>64117978
Full Metal Alchemist was a prophecy about Russia's future in disguise. The promised day is near.

>>64115350
Westoids are just schizophrenic from all the fluoride, birth control, and fracking runoff in all the "drinkable" tap water.

>>64119002
Russia is just India 2.0 now

>>64119002
That's why monke ensures his people receive only the purest of spring water instead of hooking Donbabwe back on the mains.

>>64115726
Actually, WW1 was far less static than what the Russians are currently doing. Putin would probably trade his left testicle to get Brusilov Offensive-tier gains.

>>64117978
You forgot the anti-Trump brigade of feds-turned-NEETs after the layoffs.

>>64116975
50k is not much, but invading Estonia from the east would involve either a northward thrust from Pskov (and the roads there are shit) or crossing bodies of water, which is not Russia's forte

>>64118474
yes, it's been 8 months since December 2024
since then Ukrainian casualties have increased, and significantly as well, because all sources report heavy losses in the retreat from Kursk (despite what the fanboys say)
when the final tolls were totted up, including withdrawal casualties, even Ukrainian analysts were saying the operation might not have been worth it, ultimately

>>64119002
brics negro forgot 1990s in russia and how suddenly it all went down

>>64119316
india-luganda collab

>>64119379
>You forgot the anti-Trump brigade of feds-turned-NEETs after the layoffs.
(you)

>>64119842
NTA but at least 45% of the population is vehemently anti-Trump, if you think that doesn't include a lot of govt employees and feds you're fucked in the head

>>64117867
I'm saying this from a global perspective.
A (european) Russian and a Ukrainian look functionally identical, have practically identical traditions and sound practically identical to anyone who isn't an Eastern slav.

The Ukrainians are 100% correct to not want to deal with russoids bullshit anymore