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Anonymous No.64115671 >>64116215 >>64116319 >>64116492 >>64116840 >>64116899 >>64117146 >>64117666 >>64117891 >>64117980 >>64118090 >>64118273 >>64118493 >>64118757 >>64119003 >>64119117 >>64119423 >>64119715 >>64122726 >>64122737 >>64124225 >>64124342
What is the point of the 10mm?
From what I understand it is supposed to be an armor piercing round with some stopping power behind it?

So like if the 45 acp and 5.7 had a baby?

I mean... does it work?
Anonymous No.64115689 >>64115701
No, its pure stobbin powah, it being armor piercing is just a videogame thing. It has been accused of overpenetrating in gel, but I doubt that would mean anything to actual hard plates.
>I mean... does it work?
Its faster .45, so yeah it functions; but a lot of people find it too snappy (including the FBI), hence the continued existence of .40.
Anonymous No.64115701 >>64117192 >>64117666 >>64122655
>>64115689
So does 40sw offer similar performance? From What i understood, 40sw was a bit of a disappointment in terms of stopping power
Anonymous No.64116033 >>64116077 >>64116097
>10mm is AP
>it’s like 5.7 and 45 had a baby

Where’d you hear this?
Anonymous No.64116077
>>64116033
Probably reddit if i had to guess
Anonymous No.64116097 >>64116206
>>64116033
He also posted a pic with 10mm deliberately shopped, look how thin it is, it's supposed to be a longer .40.
Anonymous No.64116125
Round number is better
Anonymous No.64116206
>>64116097
Got it directly from tombstone tactical's website lmao
Anonymous No.64116215
>>64115671 (OP)
>.30 acp(clearly .380)
>10mm slimmer than .40 s&w
Anonymous No.64116231 >>64116327 >>64116377 >>64116381 >>64116525 >>64116587 >>64116617 >>64118335 >>64118495 >>64118500 >>64119007 >>64120122 >>64122928
Anonymous No.64116319
>>64115671 (OP)
To mog on the poors.
Anonymous No.64116327 >>64117370
>>64116231
You're gay.
Anonymous No.64116377 >>64116403 >>64117370
>>64116231
The only retardedness I see in the metric system is that a metric ton (“tonne”) is not called a megagram.

Shouldn’t date notation be year/month/day? Because if the first bit of information you get is the day, alright this narrows it does to 12 days out of the year, and the year could be any year. So along the timeline you have a bunch of points, all broken up and equally spaced. But if the first bit of info you get is the year, this narrows it down to a solid, unbroken range of time. The month narrows it down further to a smaller single bracket of time, and the day pins it down exactly. Like the calendar version of hour:minute:second.
Anonymous No.64116381 >>64116469 >>64117370 >>64118494 >>64119050
>>64116231
dmy is a far superior date format, I'll give you that (especially dd-mm-yyyy), but it's fun measuring in feet and knots :3
Anonymous No.64116403
>>64116377
if you're sorting data then yes, ymd is superior. if you're trying to find out what day it is, dmy is superior because you definitely already know what year it is and you almost definitely know what month it is (unless it's the first of a month or you've been on a meth bender for 2 weeks), you just want to know the day. mdy just isnt particularly good at anything.
Anonymous No.64116469 >>64116473 >>64116515 >>64116520
>>64116381
>superior
No.

>What's the date?
>August 13th, 2025
compared to
>What's the date?
>It's the 13th of August, 2025
I'll be fair:
>13th August, 2025
Holy fuck we've already had twelve of them?
When the fuck did that start I missed the memo!

It isn't superior at all. It's dumb at worst and a waste of time at best.
Anonymous No.64116473 >>64116515
>>64116469
Holy shit it's the 13th August?
French Commie time keeping must be a nightmare.
Thank God I'm American.
Anonymous No.64116492
>>64115671 (OP)
Anonymous No.64116515
>>64116469
>>64116473
Wait you're telling me there's already been twelve months of August this year?
Am I actually 638 years old?

Fucking metric nonces.
Anonymous No.64116520 >>64116557
>>64116469
You can make exactly the same complaint about August 13th.
Anonymous No.64116525 >>64117370
>>64116231
>having to keep everything retard proof because you're constantly on the verge of heatstroke

LMAO @Yurop
Anonymous No.64116557 >>64116598
>>64116520
Ffffuuuuccckkkiiinnnngggg (((metric))) Nonces!!
Anonymous No.64116581
Come on, just use both like in Canada and UK.
Anonymous No.64116587 >>64116617 >>64116798 >>64118575
>>64116231
Anonymous No.64116598 >>64116680
>>64116557
Retard detected. Metric is far easier to deal with when making useful things, example being all the screw threads preceding metrification especially the UK mishmash (natural because it industrialized early).
Anonymous No.64116617
>>64116231
>>64116587
>not using Planck Units
neither will be useful once the aliens visit us
Anonymous No.64116680
>>64116598
Lol this clown just admitted he isnt smart enough to handle the concept of 3/32nds.
Anonymous No.64116790 >>64116820
Why are people arguing over metrics... I just want a good reason to buy a 10mm pistol over other calibers
Anonymous No.64116798 >>64118985
>>64116587
This is hilarious but some retards will take it seriously.
>t. American metric chad
Anonymous No.64116820 >>64116857
>>64116790
Do you go outside?
Anonymous No.64116840
>>64115671 (OP)
Mostly for insecure people to buy it and brag about how cool and manly they are online. One must only talk to or observe the average 10mm owner to realize this, they barely ever shoot the things, almost never reload for them, and just quote muh fps and muh FTLBs like that actually matters more than what the bullet actually does.
>T. .357 magnum enjoyer
Anonymous No.64116857
>>64116820
Ye
Anonymous No.64116899
>>64115671 (OP)
>What is the point of 10mm?
Magnum revolver ballistics to better accomplish the fundamental task of a gun: Killing things.
>9mm magdumps kill bears!
But not right after they take down elk
Anonymous No.64117146 >>64117250
>>64115671 (OP)
I don’t worry about any of these problems because .44 is my minimum caliber.
Anonymous No.64117192 >>64118627 >>64118915 >>64119414
>>64115701
The hotter .40 S&W loads match standard .45 ACP loads in kinetic energy whereas 10mm easily exceeds .45, albeit because the kinetic energy equation is biased towards velocity.
People who wanted 10 and got .40 were disappointed but everyone discovering .40 for the first time was greeted with a drop-in* upgrade for any 9mm of their choosing that boosted it to .45 energy levels with more reliable hollow points than either 9mm or .45; From this perspective and it's no wonder how .40 became so popular.
It's only dying out now because everyone is pinching pennies, 9mm has always been more economical and the innovation of bonded jackets made 9mm hollow points good.

* I mean it's no .41 Action Express but it's still not a difficult conversion.
Anonymous No.64117250
>>64117146
God damn a Model 29 just looks so good in the hand.
Anonymous No.64117370 >>64117388
>>64116327
>>64116377
>>64116381
>>64116525
Holy fuck you mutts are pathetic, what a pitiful race
Anonymous No.64117388
>>64117370
>He doesn't know mutts are a zigger vassal state
Anonymous No.64117666 >>64117692 >>64117744
>>64115671 (OP)
> armor piercing
No.
> 45 acp and 5.7 had a baby
No.
> does it work
Generally, depending on what you’re trying to do.
>>64115701
>does 40sw offer similar performance
40SW can offer significantly better performance, if you load your own, your gun can handle it, you install a fuckhuge spring in it, and you’re brave enough to trust a rando on /k/.
>brass is the limiting factor in this case
Anonymous No.64117685
.38sp is to .357 as .40sw is to 10mm
Anonymous No.64117692 >>64117885 >>64118491
>>64117666
the right kind of 10mm round goes through level IIIA armor with ease.
Anonymous No.64117727
>Try to come up with some cute girl name for a pink hair femhuman paladin
>do what I have taken to doing after a couple unfortunate coincidences and google the name first, to make sure I am not naming myself after some pavement ape.
>I am naming myself after some pavement ape again
Who the FUCK Names their black son "Kaedi"?
Why?
Anonymous No.64117744 >>64118491
>>64117666
If you load your own then 10mm always beats .40 because it has higher case capacity.
Anonymous No.64117885
>>64117692
Solid copper 9mm also goes through IIIA reliably. I wish somebody would upload testing of copper .380 vs IIIA, I'm not expecting .380 to make it but I wouldn't be surprised either.
Anonymous No.64117891
>>64115671 (OP)
10mm was came from a few different ideas. But the end result was a set of parameters the FBI came up with because 9mm fails too often.
.40 came about because they realized you could shorten the 10mm and in expanding bullets get the same result in depth and performance on different targets only giving up some expansion diameter.
40 and 10mm are neck and neck when both bullets expand and stay in the claimed desired depth on target.
If you subscribe to the school of thought that a bullet should stay in its target or have no energy when it comes out then there is no appreciable difference between 40 and 10mm when killing humans or game. A slightly larger expansion is all 10mm brings to the table.
HOWEVER if you think for yourself and want to end the target quickly then by choosing expanding ammo that most say over penetrates or solids then the 10mm out performs 40 hands down.
I can confidently say that handguns are not dealing with enough energy that an extra 100lbs is doing anything outside expanding the bullet more.
If a 40 and 10mm bullet both test out at 15" of penetration and the 10mm is .68 and the 40 is .59 total expanding diameter the difference is pretty damn negligible.
Anonymous No.64117980 >>64118111 >>64118588
>>64115671 (OP)
10mm is essentially what boomers and video games are talking about when they think about ".45 ACP"

It's .45 ACP if the speed wasn't neutered as fuck to make it as useless as 9mm. Basically it's a magnum round for autoloaders. Police hate it because the recoil is significantly more than 9mm.
>but it is too expensive
Every round that is expensive is expensive only because not enough people are buying it
>all pistol calibers are le same
Fuck off
Anonymous No.64118090
>>64115671 (OP)

It's for people who want a mag fed handgun who live in areas where bears and such are a real threat. 10mm will kill a bear or other wildlife where others might not. If you aren't in bear country carrying 10mm is just for memes
Anonymous No.64118111 >>64118269
>>64117980
The recoil of well made 10mms is very manageable. Sometimes softer shooting than a p365.

But we're talking metal guns with good ergonomics here, not glocks that demand a special snowflake two handed grip at all times that completely ignores the thumb dimple/shelf
Anonymous No.64118269
>>64118111
>>not glocks that demand a special snowflake two handed grip at all times that completely ignores the thumb dimple/shelf
What are you on about? I shoot one and two handed with Glocks the exact same way I do on my 1911.
Anonymous No.64118273
>>64115671 (OP)
To be cool as fuck and make 9mmlets sneed eternally about recoil, proving definitively they are faggots which we all knew to begin with
Anonymous No.64118335 >>64118596
>>64116231
post the edit where the left one is a middle finger and the right one is menorah
Anonymous No.64118491
Man, I knew this one would bring out the nogunz and autists. Well, let’s get on with it.
>>64117692
And so does the right kind of 9x19mm, 9x25mm (very well actually),etc. None of them were made to do it, but copper bullets unlocked a lot of possibilities. Before your autism flares up again, note that OP was asking what it was designed for, not what it could do with specialized loadings decades later.

>>64117744
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Work up loads to failure in both and report back. Again, it’s a brass thing you fucking retard. Guns made in the last 60 years outlast the brass in overpressure situations. Unsupported chambers, thin case heads, and large primers are the failure points. Tell me which of these are associated with 10mm.
>or test yourself, which you will not do because you don’t own one, don’t load your own ammo, and got your opinions from a similar retard someplace else
Anonymous No.64118493
>>64115671 (OP)
>multiple threads hating on 10mm
yeh this is totally natural...
anyway the answer is that 10mm is aesthetic as fuck.
effay if you will(i will)
Anonymous No.64118494 >>64118509
>>64116381
YYYY-MM-DD is the best format no matter where you are
Anonymous No.64118495
>>64116231
>ammunition is universally metric
case closed honestly
Anonymous No.64118500 >>64118562
>>64116231
DMY dates are stupid, retarded, and backwards. YYYYMMDD is the only corrrect way to render dates.
Anonymous No.64118509 >>64118544
>>64118494
humans live day to day
therefore thats the most important to know
the next unit humans live by is month
therefor thats the next most important unit to know
and finally year is the least important because it only changes once a year

honestly the year is so worthless that we should replace it with the month and then replace the month with the week
do day - week - month
everyone already knows what year it is because we are told when the new year starts
if you cant remember what year it is after that point then you should be sent to an asylum
Anonymous No.64118530 >>64118554 >>64118727
The Communist Gangster Computer God worldwide SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF ALL STANDARDS AND VALUES (INEVITABILITY of GRADUALNESS). The Computer God decrees by parroting puppet government EDICT upon as unsuspecting brain washed population the new CENTIGRADE and METRIC MEASUREMENT SYSTEMS. It is Computer God pre-meditated, planned, wanton world-wide degenerative ridiculous confusion and destruction of all standards and values toward ONE WORLD COMMUNISM, for the Over-All Plan, namely eternal Frankenstein Living Death Slavery to explore and control the entire Universe by the Computer God. The Computer God first imposed it upon the captive populations of USSR, who still resist it. Now in similar gangster police state tactics, with obvious nationwide objection, the Computer God “BRIBE TAKING FIXERS,” the STAGED CON ARTIST PARROTING PUPPET CON GANGSTERS, with INSTANT Communist Gangster Computer God TELEVISION PRINT OUT PROMPTINGS TO READ TO AN ENSLAVED TERRIFIED UNSUSPECTING POPULATION, namely the INSIDIOUS GANGSTERS the CONGRESSMEN (EVEN THE TINIEST INFERIOR BRAIN APOIDIC NIGER FEMALES QUALIFY AS CONGRESS WOMEN), through the Computer God concocted DECREE, now force these ridiculous and confusing degenerative measurment systems upon the entire United States population.The METRIC MEASUREMENT SYSTEM is ridiculously complicated and confusing. It has NO small measurements. It has no inches (based upon a man’s first digit of his thumb); it has no “feet” measurement (based upon a man’s foot); it has no “yard” measurement (based upon a man’s arm’s length). The METRIC MEASUREMENT SYSTEM has nothing to replace these EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SHORT MEASUREMENTS. Without the Computer God Frankenstein Earphone Radio, NO female, NO Ethiopian “gifted” Niger and NO plain Niger can understand it. The Metric measurement system destroys all values and standards, even ALL WRITTEN HISTORY and WRITTEN RECORDS. Billions upon billions of dollars completely wasted on degenerative
Anonymous No.64118544 >>64118569 >>64118580
>>64118509
You're close, but you have it backwards. It doesn't matter in day-to-day life what day of the month something happened. It's today, yesterday, day before yesterday, or a while back. Dates only matter for archiving, and ISO 8601 is the most efficient method of recording archival dates.
Anonymous No.64118554
>>64118530
Hello, HR? It's the Big Guy. I want this guy's resume on my desk by nine o'clock.
Anonymous No.64118562 >>64118569
>>64118500
How. Year is the least relevant. In every day conversation you talk about day the most, then month.
Anonymous No.64118569 >>64118579
>>64118562
See >>64118544.
If you talk about "August 19th" or "September 22nd" in everyday conversation, you're an NPC that's signed his soul away to Mr. Shekelburg for a pittance of a salary.
Anonymous No.64118575
>>64116587
Fuck Yeah! ‘Murica!!
Anonymous No.64118579 >>64118609
>>64118569
I don't believe you are using ISO standards on a daily basis.
Anonymous No.64118580 >>64118609
>>64118544
>It's today
which day would that be anon?
and what was yesterday?
and what is tomorrow?
fucking retard
Anonymous No.64118588 >>64118752 >>64123145
>>64117980
45 super is what redditors think 10mm is
The vast majority of the time you just get .40S&W performance but with a longer case
Anonymous No.64118596
>>64118335
I've got you, buddy.
Anonymous No.64118609
>>64118579
I don't talk about dates on a daily basis because they don't matter. When I occasionally have to date documentation for work, it's with ISO 8601.

>>64118580
>It's today
>which day would that be anon?
Wednesday.
>and what was yesterday?
Tuesday.
>and what is tomorrow?
Thursday.
>fucking retard
Yes, you are.
Anonymous No.64118627 >>64119070
>>64117192
> The hotter .40 S&W loads match standard .45 ACP loads in kinetic energy whereas 10mm easily exceeds .45, albeit because the kinetic energy equation is biased towards velocity

It’s not really about velocity. The muzzle energy of any cartridge is gonna be (mostly) case capacity*pressure*efficiency. The 10mm with its case capacity and pressure is always gonna hold more energy than a 45 ACP loaded to lower pressure (but if you keep pressure equal, then it’s more like 10mm vs 460 Rowland). Efficiency can be ignored for straight-walled pistol cartridges coming out of reasonable barrel lengths. As for velocity, really any velocity can be achieved if the cartridge is loaded with a bullet of appropriate weight.

>41 action express
I’ve heard of this. Why does it exist? How is this not just reinventing 40S&W?
Anonymous No.64118727 >>64118883
>>64118530
WTF I LOVE AI NOW
Anonymous No.64118752 >>64123145
>>64118588
Dubs of truth, everybody thinks all 10mm is like buffalo bore but it isn't, plebbitors don't understand how different ammo has different performance
Anonymous No.64118757
>>64115671 (OP)
Every pistol round is old fashioned compared to bottle necked rounds. Take the round bottle neck it. You get less recoil, extreme increase in velocity, huge muzzle blast, and perfect feed reliability.
Anonymous No.64118883
>>64118727
Did you just call the good Francis E. Dec, Esquire's insightful truths AI slop?
Anonymous No.64118915
>>64117192
>and the innovation of bonded jackets made 9mm hollow points good.
You spelled 'marginally adequate' wrong.
Anonymous No.64118985
>>64116798
Look at this fag proud to be using base ten systems invented by French shit eating enthusiasts.

Go use metric time faggot, base twelve is massively superior.
Anonymous No.64119003 >>64119422
>>64115671 (OP)
there was a shoot out with FBI agents and drug dealers in miami in the mid 1980s, paul has a video about it, where 2 FBI agents died
during the fight the FBI agents were shooting .38 special out of .357 mag revolvers.
.38 special couldn't penetrate auto glass so 10mm was designed and created FBI agents could get like .357 or .44 mag performance in a semi auto handgun so other agents wouldn't die in the same gunfight. it's like how north hollywood lead to the adoption of ARs by cops.
10mm was too big and had too much recoil so they made .40 sw and .40 SW didn't do any of the shit it was supposed to fucking do (see the marines adopting the M16A2 and M855) because it was short and weak but had a .40 cal round so the FBI and all law enforcement just went back to 9mm
Anonymous No.64119007 >>64119030 >>64119035 >>64119126 >>64122676
>>64116231
Americans went to the moon. yuros invented trannies and still don't have AC
Anonymous No.64119030 >>64119609
>>64119007
> and still don't have AC

This was one of the wildest things I ever learned. Didn’t believe it at first.
Anonymous No.64119035
>>64119007
Anonymous No.64119050 >>64119064
>>64116381
NATO date and time mogs everything
>dayhhmm(Z)monthyear
>140401(Z)Aug25
Anonymous No.64119064 >>64119079
>>64119050
>https://the-dd-dtg-clock.neocities.org/
this is retarded
Anonymous No.64119070 >>64119088 >>64119393
>>64118627

.41 AE came first, but never got the sales/parts/production support it needed to make it. .40 got it because lolFBI was involved.
Anonymous No.64119079 >>64119333
>>64119064
No its not. It puts the most important info on the left side where you read it first.
Anonymous No.64119088 >>64119393
>>64119070
>designed: 1986

Right, duh. 4 years before 40SW.
Anonymous No.64119103 >>64119144
>10mm Auto shares a parent cartridge with 6.8 SPC
Neat. I wish there was more wildcatting with these cartridges, 9mm Dillon and .224 Valkyrie are awesome but not enough. It would be cool to see a 6mm Valkyrie and a 6.8mm Auto using an SPC bullet in a necked 10mm case.
Anonymous No.64119117
>>64115671 (OP)
The point was that 9mm couldn't deliver and 10 is more than 9.
Anonymous No.64119126 >>64119609
>>64119007
>still don't have AC
You don't need AC if you live in a region for which your race was created. If you'd want to mix with some blacks or red-skins on the other hand..
Anonymous No.64119144 >>64119171 >>64119337
>>64119103
>6mm Valkyrie

Kinda exists, but is more worthwhile if loaded to a COAL longer than 2.26”. It’s called the 6mm WOA (White Oak Armament). Picrel.

Tbh the ARC series of cartridges should’ve been based on the 6.8/10mm case. Slightly smaller case head, but capable of higher pressures for the same bolt thrust (and against a stronger bolt), so performance would be mostly the same. Plus the LWRC receiver standard and 30rd Pmags already existed. I don’t understand the insistence of using the x39 case head in an AR.
Anonymous No.64119171 >>64119191
>>64119144
That looks like it uses the 6.8 SPC case length though. Shave it down an eighth and you might be able to fit a decent bullet in a 2.300" Six8 mag.
Anonymous No.64119191 >>64119201
>>64119171
Exactly. Loaded to 2.3” coal with its current case length, the ogive length is only a tiny bit longer than that of a 5.56.

I’m convinced that the majority of wildcatters/cartridge designers are just throwing together values for case width, length and bullet caliber/length almost at random, with no rhyme, reason, or methodology behind their decisions. The 6MAX also has this problem of too long a case. Every 5.56 based wildcat that I know of ends up blundering the case length. (I know 6MAX is not based on 5.56)
Anonymous No.64119201
>>64119191
>Every 5.56 based wildcat that I know of ends up blundering the case length.
Considering that 5.56 is essentially a lengthened and necked down 7.62 Tokarev, I can think of a few possibilities for fun wildcats.
Anonymous No.64119333
>>64119079
it needs spaces or /,-: to seperate each piece of information
why?
well for the same reason we dont do this
"itneedsspacesor/,-:toseperateeachpieceofinformationwhy?wellforthesamereasonwedontdothis"
Anonymous No.64119337
>>64119144
i think it should be pointier
and longer
and have 2 step downs
Anonymous No.64119393 >>64119422
if 9 mm isn't 'enough' then .40 S&W and .45 ACP exist
That's all that is needed for combat and self defense semiauto handguns.

>>64119070
>>64119088
>was designed
checked,

Everyone itt needs to watch this if they haven't yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIB58HYc3F0

10 mm is a blaster cartridge that is only efficiently utilized in 5-inch or longer barrels (in addition to being optimized with custom loads), for people that want to do handgun hunting or long range target shooting. <--Roles for which 10 mm is suited and appropriate
Anonymous No.64119414 >>64119717 >>64120042
>>64117192
>.40 S&W
>drop-in* upgrade for any 9mm
>"any 9mm"
Wrong.
.40 S&W is higher pressure to the internals of any semiauto pistol, they need to be totally designed to inherently handle the chambering.
As were these early-gen 1990s-2000s handguns
>HK USP and P2000
>Beretta 8000 and Px4
>SIG P229 and P239
>SIG SP2022 aka SIGPro

9 mms that were "drop in" chambered for .40, e.g. Glock's earlier 22s and 23s or the Beretta 96 series, experienced durability problems and medium term wear failures. They had to go back to the drawing board and redesign/rebuild their pistols substantially
Handguns need to be designed from paper up to handle .40 S&W
Anonymous No.64119422
>>64119003
Watch this well documented video about FBI/.40/10 mm as well >>64119393
Anonymous No.64119423
>>64115671 (OP)
Pretty sure they just shoved the mlst powerful round they could into a semiauto pistol, as an attempt to get magnum revolver performance out of an auto. It does pretty well and can take big game. I love it, it does kick like a mule though. I do not let girls shoot my 10mm and it's a steel frame heavy barrel Witness. Still recoils hard.
Anonymous No.64119441
I respect 10mm for what it set out to do (quite successfully) but if I'm going to carry a gun that shoots meme rounds I'll go full retard and buy a deagle brand deagle in .429
Anonymous No.64119609 >>64119679
>>64119030
>>64119126
175,000 yuros die each year of being too poor to afford AC or water
Anonymous No.64119679 >>64119698
>>64119609
>People are dying left and right from 89 degrees Fahrenheit in their rooms at noon.
>Also, anthropogenic climate warming is real. You MUST pay more to prevent it.
Tell me more about it sir.
Anonymous No.64119698
>>64119679
just use AC, retard
Anonymous No.64119715
>>64115671 (OP)
It’s the round of choice for cyberpunk protagonists and post-nuclear wasteland survivors.
Anonymous No.64119717 >>64119731
>>64119414
>*
It’s just a bit of gunsmithing, like modding a 1911 to handle supers. Some wear parts will wear out a bit faster, that’s manageable.
The 96 I’ll challenge you on, Beretta started by redesigning the slide but afterwards figured out that a frame buffer and a new locking block with some relief cuts was sufficient - improvements that are standard now to the 92 and can be dropped into older 92 and 96 models.
Anonymous No.64119731 >>64121007
>>64119717
>gunsmithing
All I'm saying is none of those pistols were built or designed to handle the round. (Sure you can 'get them to work' / be acceptable... that's different)
Anonymous No.64120042 >>64120205
>>64119414
>stiffer recoil spring + different feedramp = complete redesign
Retard.
Anonymous No.64120122
>>64116231
.45 is 11.5mm
Anonymous No.64120205 >>64121007
>>64120042
He thinks they need to increase the size of every part and reinforce the entire frame with hardened steel because .40 is that much more powerful, and then on the same token it offers no more performance than 9mm
Anonymous No.64121007 >>64121014 >>64122056
>>64119731
>40 s&w max pressure 35000 psi
>9x19mm max pressure 35000 psi
Just because something wasn’t designed to do something else doesn’t mean that it’s not up to the task. A redesign is obviously required to convert a 9x19mm to .40 due to the different case dimensions, but the new version works exactly the same as the old one. It doesn’t need to be any stronger. A manufacturer claiming that their 9mm pistol needed strengthening to run .40 was producing a gun in sufficiently strong for 9mm and was looking for an excuse to introduce a rolling update.

>>64120205
I’m not sure that he knows what he’s talking about, but when the discussion turns to "strength" and failure modes you often see otherwise intelligent people turn into militantly stubborn retards. They don’t understand the topic because they learned about it from people that don’t understand the topic. These are the people that told us that were telling us 25 years ago that the cz-52 can take hotter loads than the tt-33 because of its locking system (demonstrably false), and tell us today that the 45 acp can’t take high pressures (also demonstrably false).
>hint: you can run 45 super through a bone stock 1911a1 with no modifications whatsoever
>you’ll want to replace the spring to keep it from beating the shit out of itself and you’ll want a fully supported chamber unless you’re okay with bulged brass, but neither is strictly necessary
>all this with basic bitch 45 acp brass
>in fact, the only manufacturer that ever made stronger 45 acp brass that I know of is starline, and get this…they did it for 45 super shooters with unramped barrels to prevent bulges
The weakest point of almost every gun ever made is the cartridge casing. Get that right (like 45 acp) and you can get away with some incredible stuff. Get that wrong (like 10mm) and your ass had better pay attention to what SAAMI says.
Anonymous No.64121014
>>64121007
You'll also want a titanium firing pin because it's lighter and doesn't have the inertia to set off primers when your heavier spring slams the slide back into battery.
Anonymous No.64122056 >>64124263
>>64121007
>muh max chamber pressure
That's not relevant and has been discussed to dust on previous .40 S&W threads.
It's about the overall magnitude of repeat-recoil forces, that are distributed throughout the major parts of the firearm (pistol frame, rails, springs, barrel cam, slide, all of it). "sufficiently strong" That's what Beating Itself To Death means.
.40 S&W also has a higher *recoil impulse* than even .45 ACP, the velocity/speed of the recoil itself which increases the repeated forces and wear on the primary component parts of the handgun. Plus the size and mass of the fired pill.

All of these physics, engineering design factors must be taken into consideration when switching to .40 chambering; that's why it's not a rudimentary "swap out the firring pin / few minor parts along with different case dimension" (as both Glock and Beretta found out to their medium-term dismay).
Anonymous No.64122474 >>64122511 >>64122708
This is OP, I am going through this thread again to take it all in... why the fuck is half this thread about metrics you autists!
Anonymous No.64122511 >>64122708
>>64122474
Anonymous No.64122655 >>64123694
>>64115701
.40 is pointless since 9mm can penetrate nearly as much with less recoil and more rounds, plus 9mm hollows expand just as much as .40 hollows do.
It can have more rounds than a .45 but then you are lacking the larger hole for only a few extra rounds you are unlikely to even use and still having more recoil.
.40 S&W is truly the most cucked catridge out there, at least you can use 10mm as a fullsize sidearm for the woods
Anonymous No.64122676 >>64122695 >>64122708
>>64119007
It's funny because all the internal computers and calculations of Apollo were in metric, they only outputted converted data in imperial because Americans are retarded.
Anonymous No.64122695
>>64122676
American kids have been learning metric in school for decades. ml, gram, cc in chemistry and the like.
It's irrelevant and inconsequential but I think you far too dumb to be able to understand that.
Anonymous No.64122708 >>64122772
>>64122474
>>64122511
no gunz like to come on this board to make totally as no gunz ukraine sloppa threads
>>64122676
Americans went to the moon, yuros are so fucking retarded they still can't do what we did 60 years ago, because yurop is a third world county
it's why yuros are too retarded to own gunz
Anonymous No.64122726
>>64115671 (OP)
It outperforms 45 ACP in every loading and for less weight and greater ammunition capacity. It also outperforms 9mm, 40S&W and even 357 Sig.
Anonymous No.64122737
>>64115671 (OP)
10mm is the guy she told u not to worry about
Anonymous No.64122772 >>64122785
>>64122708
>because yurop is a third world county
Anonymous No.64122785 >>64122792
>>64122772
it objectively is. 175,000 people don't die of no AC in first world countries
Anonymous No.64122792 >>64122802
>>64122785
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/13/death-toll-extreme-heat-arizona-county?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Arizona County is not in Europe.
Anonymous No.64122802
>>64122792
175,00 people don't die of no AC each year in AZ, they do in third world yurop.
Anonymous No.64122928
>>64116231
I agree with everything in this pic related except for temperature.
Celsius is garbage for relating comfortable human habitation information.
It's fine for technical work with chemicals or materials for manufacturing, but I want weather in F.
Anonymous No.64123145
>>64118588
>most 10mm manufacturers load their 10mm to .45acp standards
Yes yes we know. but there are still people who make genuine 10mm with proper 10mm speeds

>>64118752
That's why it is important to read the FPS before you buy something to make sure they aren't scamming you with the weak .45ACP-tier shit
Anonymous No.64123694
>>64122655
checked
Anonymous No.64124225
>>64115671 (OP)
10mm is for /k/ neckbeards who need to feel superior to everyone else.
Anonymous No.64124263
>>64122056
> to dust on previous .40 S&W threads
By retards that don’t understand the subject, mostly don’t own guns, and in some cases live in India. I don’t place much stock in what they say.
>blah blah overall magnitude recoil impulse
You have no idea what you’re talking about, and the person that you got this from didn’t either. I’d explain it for you if I was at a pc and you were a native English speaker, but I’m not and you’re not.
>muh beretta locking block
Those were failing in 9mm before .40 was a thing. Known issue to people that shoot them, which you do not. It had nothing to do with caliber and everything to do with Italian metallurgy.
Anonymous No.64124342
>>64115671 (OP)
>What is the point of the 10mm?
Ok so basically there was this guy named Jeff Cooper who pioneered a lot of our modern concepts around tactical gunfighting and gun safety. He was a huge advocate for the 1911 and 45 ACP cartridge back when most civilians and cops were still using revolvers. Then in the mid 1970's, modern "wonder nines" like the Beretta 92 and CZ 75 came onto the scene, and he fell in love with their ergos and capacity. Cooper wanted to bridge the gap between the high capacity of the double-stack 9mms and the power of magnum revolvers as the perfect law enforcement handgun. Remember that this was a decade after the 1960's when there were tons of race riots, and cops armed with six-shot 38spl revolvers were starting to feel outgunned and overwhelmed. Cooper partnered with Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises to create the Bren Ten pistol (sort of a hybrid of the 1911 and CZ 75), along with Norma to create the 10mm cartridge for it.

https://10mmautocombat.wordpress.com/10mm-auto-the-bridge-between-revolver-and-automatic/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIB58HYc3F0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if3e7ApfuOk