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Anonymous No.64115751 >>64115769 >>64115796 >>64115800 >>64115898 >>64115928 >>64115985 >>64116011 >>64116275 >>64116313 >>64116320 >>64116601 >>64116727 >>64116766 >>64116918 >>64116997 >>64117268
>in a military conflict, the army with the less fancy uniforms alway wins

Is there a historic exception to this rule?
Anonymous No.64115769 >>64117268
>>64115751 (OP)
What rule? It's something you made up, and requires very little thought to find examples that contradict it.
Anonymous No.64115796 >>64115808 >>64116131 >>64117268
>>64115751 (OP)
Lies, landsknecht were successful and dripped out of their fucking minds
Anonymous No.64115800
>>64115751 (OP)
>a historic exception
Most wars before camouflage
Anonymous No.64115808 >>64115837 >>64116259 >>64116958 >>64117530
>>64115796
landsknechts were only successful in spreading the plague and raping civilians.
Anonymous No.64115837
>>64115808
>landsknechts were only successful in spreading the plague
And on campaign most soldiers die from dissease. Making sure it spreads to the enemy is a great strategic victory.
Anonymous No.64115898 >>64115985 >>64117491 >>64119515
>>64115751 (OP)
The US Army was rizzmaxxing while the krauts were wearing feldgrau potato sacks.
>inb4 "BUT MUH 1934 BLACK PARTY UNIFORM!"
Anonymous No.64115928 >>64116000 >>64119498
>>64115751 (OP)
the Golden Horde fucked so hard.
Anonymous No.64115985 >>64116028 >>64116230 >>64117539 >>64117546
>>64115751 (OP)
Anglo-Zulu War, dripped out uniforms beat bare skins (nevermind the massive disadvantages on top of their intentional refusal to use modern firearms)
The US military also looked its best between the 80s-2000s. Incidentally, late Iraq and afterward is when we started looking like shit
>>64115898
>increasingly poor quality and simplified uniforms and equipment, shit copies of British style uniforms later on, arguably outdated boots, etc.
Other than camo, which itself was often sloppy looking, late war Germany was giving the US a run for its money for looking like hobos. I don't understand why people suck them off when they looked worse at the end than they did at the beginning.
Anonymous No.64116000
>>64115928
They sure got their asses kicked a lot.
Anonymous No.64116011
>>64115751 (OP)
>Is there a historic exception to this rule?

Yeah
Anonymous No.64116028
>>64115985
>intentional refusal to use modern firearms

Huh? I thought the Zulus could use captured Martini Henrys because the British had already expended virtually all of their ammunition at Isandlwana?
Anonymous No.64116131 >>64116561 >>64120930
>>64115796
>smacks your gf on the ass
>takes your cows and shoes
>lights your thatchery on fire
"oho, anon! I hear you've been consorting with ungodly heretics. Are you prepared to denounce the villain Luther and affirm the sovereignty of His Holiness, Imperator Romanum, or suffer an eternity of hellfire?
wut do?
Anonymous No.64116230
>>64115985
The only worse looking major military was the slave hordes of the USSR, but arguably they weren't regarded as people, so there was no point in dressing them in anything more than tan serf clothes.
Anonymous No.64116259
>>64115808
>shitlib history
gtfo
Anonymous No.64116275 >>64116664
>>64115751 (OP)
Some of these niggas didn't even have shoes and they got the shit kicked out of them.
Anonymous No.64116293 >>64116298 >>64116351 >>64116695 >>64117849
These niggas, (also shoeless) barely had a uniform at all and they got whooped so bad their great grandchildren are still bitching about it.
Anonymous No.64116295
Not sure if op is right but I have heard that typically the better "groomed" (whatever that means). The guy used it as a argument that the better groomed is usually the more discipline(a little step, probably true In the majority of cases.) Not sure how many battles/wars and militaries he actually looked at. But this makes more sense to me then what op is talking about. My mind goes to the falklands camo looking dope but not being practical comes to mind. Then I just think about how important it is to be camouflaged then I think of the war with the Indians where we eventually won without wearing any uniform at all. Now it occurs to me "the clothes don't make the man". I'm quick to judge a Inheritaned "logic" or "common sense" whatever that means. But I have met dirty cops and there are saints in prison not maybe but there are.
Anonymous No.64116298 >>64116308 >>64116695
>>64116293
The fucking flag has less stars then our union. Everyone knows stars are badass.
Anonymous No.64116307 >>64116320
The Japanese uniforms of the First Sino-Japanese War
Anonymous No.64116308
>>64116298
>then
>our
Anonymous No.64116313 >>64116320
>>64115751 (OP)
Pretty sure the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War had every Republican-aligned faction beat in terms of aesthetics.
Anonymous No.64116320
>>64115751 (OP)
The side with the more aesthetic uniforms are almost always the good guys, and as we know, good guys usually lose due to entropy, otherwise we wouldn't end up in this shit timeline. However there are rare occasions when they win such as >>64116307
>>64116313
Anonymous No.64116328 >>64116522
These mofos had, at best, a goofy little hat and a vest with some chang rune written on it. They, too, got curbstomped.
Anonymous No.64116351 >>64116521 >>64116597 >>64117282 >>64117849
>>64116293
Didn't they kick the shit out of the north, but ended up losing due to inferior numbers?
Anonymous No.64116521 >>64116768 >>64116871 >>64116990 >>64117045
>>64116351
>The material superiority of the North was bought using resources extracted from the far more Conservative (and by relation, productive) Southern States.
>The secession of the Southern States was the equivalent of tearing a leech off, and put the North on a time limit before the parasites lack of ability to sustain itself without taking from the productive caused it to starve.
>The leeching North could only reattach itself by zerg-rushing countless men into the South.
>As Ayn Rand described, even the parasites means of leeching off of us is dependent on our own creation and innovation.
Anonymous No.64116522
>>64116328
Tactical advantage of dressing like the weird little albino kid from Dragon Ball?
Anonymous No.64116561
>>64116131
I quickly baptise an adult. It would work in a cartoon anyway. The Lutheran mercanies will appear and fight the Roman mercenaries over who gets to burn my heretical ass.
Anonymous No.64116597
>>64116351
That's pretty much all wars where good guys lose.
Anonymous No.64116601
>>64115751 (OP)
Why would they loot in uniform? Can some Americans explain?
Anonymous No.64116664 >>64116734 >>64116814
>>64116275

They lost but only because of throwing people at them. The Japanese had about a 6-1 k/d against Americans if you only count land combat and not naval warfare
Anonymous No.64116695 >>64116761
>>64116293
>>64116298

OH NO NO NO NO NO
Anonymous No.64116727 >>64116884
>>64115751 (OP)
I started with US history and only got to the second war the US fought and found an exception so I stopped counting.
>we didn’t lose the war of 1812
They burned down the capital. At best we didn’t lose as much as we could have.

Your theory is retarded.
Anonymous No.64116734
>>64116664
>if you neglect all other major factors then the Japanese only lost because of one major factor
Anonymous No.64116761
>>64116695
>Still posting this clip after like 8 years
Seethe is still strong in this one
Anonymous No.64116766
>>64115751 (OP)
Sometimes I forget how retarded /k/ is but then threads like these get made.
Anonymous No.64116768 >>64117074 >>64117108 >>64117282
>>64116521
Far too simplistic. The North had like all of the manufacturing and all of the railroads. The South could never win a war of attrition and tactics had not kept up with technology and that gave a massive edge to the defenders, so The South wouldn’t be able to free themselves by invading the North either. That being said, fuck niggers and fuck people who think the civil war was about slavery when slave states that fought for the north got to keep their slaves after the war until it was inevitably abolished. And also fuck Booth, Lincoln wanted to deport the emancipated slaves but was shot before he could do anything about it and now we’re stuck with a bunch of useless niggers.
Anonymous No.64116814 >>64119514
>>64116664

thats not the Japanese dingus
Anonymous No.64116871 >>64117108
>>64116521
>the nigger breeders are ackchually the good guys
Dumb faggot
Anonymous No.64116884 >>64117074
>>64116727
Yeah I've never understood the cope, we did ultimately meet a single war goal but that really was due to factors of the wars in Europe
>Invade another nation
>Get slapped around
>get counter invaded
>have the capital lost and burned
>finally win a battle and settle the war, the defenders losing nothing
How can anyone think this was a victory, even calling it a stalemate is a bit of a reach
Anonymous No.64116918 >>64116977 >>64116985
>>64115751 (OP)
The Roman Empire
Anonymous No.64116958
>>64115808
>landsknechts were only successful in spreading the plague and raping civilians.
FUCK YEAH
Anonymous No.64116977 >>64116985
>>64116918
Depends when and where, these guys looked cooler than contemporary Romans and they lost
Anonymous No.64116985 >>64117019
>>64116918
>>64116977
And these Romans looked cooler than the barbarians they eventually lost to
Anonymous No.64116990 >>64117108
>>64116521
>>The material superiority of the North was bought using resources extracted from the far more Conservative (and by relation, productive) Southern States.
Yes, that's why you're poor and have been for 300 years. Because they heckin' meanies in the North taxed your ancestor's shitty homemade corn whiskey and used it to pay for book learnin' and roads.
Anonymous No.64116997
>>64115751 (OP)
There's more exceptions that cases following the rule, retard.

Well, let's just start: If your rule was a thing, Rome would've lost nearly every war it fought.
Anonymous No.64117019 >>64117029 >>64117053 >>64117072 >>64117075 >>64117076
>>64116985
The degradation of the Roman military kit makes me sad.

The moment they gave everyone citizenship was a mistake.
From that point on, less and less guys signed on to the army and when they did, they complained more and more about the heavy kit. So it was hundreds of years of going for lighter and lighter kit, turning an empire founded on the best heavy infantry in the world into a light cavalry force.
Anonymous No.64117029 >>64117063 >>64117075
>>64117019
waaay more complicated than that
>turning an empire founded on the best heavy infantry in the world into a light cavalry force.
cuz field armies were reactionary and had to move around as fire brigades to put out incursions around the border.

BUT
>The moment they gave everyone citizenship was a mistake.
Yes. Not the only fuckup but certainly a top 5.
Anonymous No.64117045 >>64117108
>>64116521
The material superiority of the North was bought using the far superior indiustrial economy of the North. Your agrarian shithole was an active drain on the nation, a bringe rof dutch disease for the sole benefit of the wannabe-nobility that were the only ones to profit from the southern slave economy.

The South produced nothing of industrial relevance, the South created nothing, the South iomnnoivated nothing, the South conwsistnetly leeched off of the North in all matters from defense to infrasturcture to international trade to outright raiding the North and enslaving its free citizenry. All while malicioiusly sabotaging the entire nation to try an dkeep its unwarranted poliotical importance. And when that finally failed, the southern slavocrat parasite elites decide dto throw one final temper tantrum and plunge the nationm into war for the sake of their own vapid greed and pride.

The only true mistake Sherman ever made was to not burn downj the entirety of the South. The only true mistake Grant ever made was to not have every single last political and military leader of the South hung.
Anonymous No.64117053 >>64117063
>>64117019
>degradation
Idiot take.
Anonymous No.64117063 >>64117092
>>64117029
All of the moving around necessary was because of Constantine's destructive civil wars and his conscious decision to not make good its casualties. He devastated the Roman army winning his throne and then never replenished the ranks, so it would be easier for him to control and the chance for rebellion would be lessened.

Like you say, it's death of a thousand cuts but a lot of it goes back to universal citizenship + Constantine.
>>64117053
It's not at all an "idiot take," it's a contemporary take of the Roman writer and soldier Vegetius who was decrying these particular things and what it had done to the state of the late western Roman army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_re_militari
Anonymous No.64117072
>>64117019
>The moment they gave everyone citizenship was a mistake.
>From that point on, less and less guys signed on to the army
That was a product of the decision to only recruit from the border regions and introducing proto-serfdom everywhere else. Turns out tax-broken peons and a semi-hereditary warrior class both make for shitty armies.
Anonymous No.64117074 >>64117107 >>64120992
>>64116768
>The North had like all of the manufacturing and all of the railroads.

The Confederate States would have been among the top 20-30 most industrialized countries on the planet, certainly one of the most industrialized nations outside of Europe. At the time of its foundation, it had 9x as many miles of track as Russia had at the same time. It certainly lagged behind the Union (most notably in the number of workers because they weren't willing to put the slaves to use making cannons instead of picking cotton), but it wasn't completely helpless. The big problem was the Antebellum lack of standardization (both broad gauge and standard gauge were in widespread use across the South) and the inability to develop a comprehensive railway policy until mid-war.

>The South could never win a war of attrition

It didn't need to fight the North to the point of annihilation, just to the point where the North lost confidence in victory. The South arguably got close to achieving this from late-1862 to mid-1863 but reversals like Antietam, Gettysburg, and Vicksburg ended their winning streak just as unpopularity of the war was reaching critical levels in the North (i.e. the New York Draft Riots). If Grant's army had been wiped out by malaria in the swamps around Vicksburg or if the Army of Northern Virginia had managed to score a big win on Northern soil, who knows what the domestic backlash from that would've been. Maybe not enough to get Lincoln thrown out of office, but certainly enough to make people seriously consider doing it.

>>64116884
>How can anyone think this was a victory, even calling it a stalemate is a bit of a reach

idk, I always thought 1812 was a massive embarrassment for the United States.

I mean, yeah it resulted in the Era of Good Feelings and the meteoric rise of Andrew Jackson, but at tremendous and unnecessary cost, certainly not worth whatever was gained.
Anonymous No.64117075 >>64117098 >>64117100
>>64117019
>>64117029
>muh gear
>muh citizenship
Rome died because it grew beyond the point of becoming impossible to administrate, and hence could no longer paper over the cracks in its political system with conquest and loot. And because the very elites leading it profited from its death.

Military reforms were done as needed, citizenship was handed out because that was the only option that allowed for the whole sturcture to keep existing at all for another couple generations. The one hting that could've prevented it all from going to shit was the one thing that was never going to happen: Massive political reform, to the political and economic detriment of the ruling elites.
Anonymous No.64117076 >>64117098 >>64117502
>>64117019
>degradation
Can you explain this? They didn't degrade, everyone else caught up (after they originally caught up with others long ago)
Anonymous No.64117092 >>64117098
>>64117063
>Ancient Roman writer blames everything on moral decline and not adhering to whatever simplistic view he has of what Rome's forefathers would have done.
Surely not!
Anonymous No.64117098 >>64117113
>>64117075
I'm not talking about why Rome died, I'm specifically talking about how they went from the most dominant army in the world and sustained it for centuries all around having incredibly efficient heavy infantry, to becoming a token light cavalry force with a bunch of guys who were almost completely de-incentivized to fight in the first place.

When people were enlisting for Roman citizenship, it just worked. People were motivated to be a part of the legions because it would lead to something that was cherished and valuable.
>>64117076
>>64117092
>Ancient Roman writer blames everything on moral decline and not adhering to whatever simplistic view he has of what Rome's forefathers would have done.
Vegetius is a soldier and is specifically recounting his personal experiences and comparing the current Roman military to its prior principles.
Anonymous No.64117100
>>64117075
Their financial system, cutting of coins and creeping inflation is a fascinating topic
Honestly there's so many factors in their decline and every single one is a massive rabbit hole of its own
Anonymous No.64117107 >>64117151 >>64117159
>>64117074
>At the time of its foundation, it had 9x as many miles of track as Russia had at the same time
>comparing your industrial capacity to a country that only abolished serfdom officially in 1861
That's like saying a nation was more well off than America because they had a single decrepit castle while the New World had none.
The Confederate states were hopelessly outmatched and their chimpout was inexcusable, ESPECIALLY given that the Union even let them count farm equipment for votes.
Anonymous No.64117108 >>64117115 >>64117117
>>64116768
>>64116871
The niggers wouldn't be free to rampage if it wasn't for the shitlib idea of abolitionism.
>>64116990
We wouldn't have a massive negative productivity population if you didn't impose the tyranny of abolitionism on us.
>>64117045
>t. Yankoid butthurt that we won the Kino component of the war
Anonymous No.64117113 >>64117121
>>64117098
I'm talking about their kit, like anon originally mentioned
Also
>old good new bad
Is ancient, I love the 16th century (i believe) poster that conveys that exact message
Anonymous No.64117115
>>64117108
You were already the shitty part of the country generations before slavery was abolished. Sucks to suck.
Anonymous No.64117117
>>64117108
Just like nazi retards the deranged extents they went to in their nigger breeding operation (or jew culling operation) turned a globe of people who didn't give a fuck or might have been a tiny bit sympathetic even, to being directly opposed to them
Good job
Anonymous No.64117121 >>64117144
>>64117113
The Roman army was a complete shitshow after Constantine in general. There are a lot of contemporary sources that talk about guys refusing to wear their gear because it was too heavy, things like that. They had a real problem with enlistment once everyone was a Roman citizen and Constantine was happy to let it degrade because it helped him live securely in Milan.
Anonymous No.64117144 >>64117156
>>64117121
Anon it was a complete and utter shitshow before Constantine, the crisis of tbe third century? Absolute mess
The end of the Republic? Also an absolute mess
Pax Romana was a flash in the pan of their total history really
Anonymous No.64117151
>>64117107
>The Confederate states were hopelessly outmatched

Bruh, you just watched a literal pre-industrial society defeat Americans not even four years.

Saying that the South was fighting an uphill battle and that winning would have essentially required both Federalizing their government and dismantling their own plantation-based system (which would have negated everything they were fighting for on an ideological level) is fair enough. Saying that it was predestined to lose no matter what it did is just pure hubris though and that mindset was a contributing factor to why the Union did so poorly in the first half of the war.
Anonymous No.64117156 >>64117168 >>64117189
>>64117144
Their civil stability was a mess but the army was always a machine. Septimus Severus was not an incredible administrator but the army was still the premiere fighting force in the world in his day and it wasn't even close.

Also, the difference between those things you mentioned and the Constantine thing is that everybody made good those casualties and replenished the ranks after various military disasters and reverses but Constantine consciously chose not to, as a political mechanism for control.
Anonymous No.64117159 >>64117169 >>64117179
>>64117107
>The Confederate states were hopelessly outmatched

Bruh, you just watched a literal pre-industrial society defeat Americans not even four years ago.

Saying that the South was fighting an uphill battle and that winning would have essentially required both Federalizing their government and dismantling their own plantation-based system (which would have negated everything they were fighting for on an ideological and economic level) is fair enough. Saying that it was predestined to lose no matter what it did is just pure hubris though and that mindset was a contributing factor to why the Union did so poorly in the first half of the war.
Anonymous No.64117168 >>64117179
>>64117156
Their army was a vast part of their massive civil instability, all that stuff about armies only being loyal to their direct commander during the collapse of the west?
That was how it was for huge swathes of their history
>we recovered so it was alright
Bad bad bad mindset, if they had recovered in the 5th century would it have been OK?
Anonymous No.64117169 >>64117227
>>64117159
>defeat Americans
Did we?
America defeated itself
Anonymous No.64117179 >>64117195 >>64117204 >>64117231
>>64117168
That was the late Republic problem that led to Empire but once the autocracy was in place, it didn't happen all that much because the clever Emperors would tightly control those who had access to such armies). The Year of the Four Emperors is not the norm, as the Pax Romana is not the norm.
>>64117159
As someone who just finished Shelby Foote's 3400 page book on the American Civil War, I can tell you that the South won, and won, and won, and won. If victory on the field of battle was all that it took, the war would've been over after Chancellorsville.
The reality is that the Confederacy's real chance to emerge victorious and achieve its independence was almost entirely out of its own hands and was dependent instead of Britain and France. But unfortunately, it was very en vogue to hate slavery at the time in both of these countries which led to some embarrassing diplomatic scenarios in London in particular.
Anonymous No.64117189
>>64117156
You cant just throw it at the lap of Constantine. Because as I said there are a plethora of issues and it depends how far back you want to go.

Splitting the Empire was a big one. Simply because East = $$$$ and West = POOR. Then there were a couple huge incursions that inflicted fatal wounds (even if it took centruies to manifest). The Goths moving into the east and fucking the balkans was a big one. The Crossing of the Rhine in 406 was beyond YUGE as it completely destabilized all of France and the low countries from then until the end of the Empire. Alaric just being left alone to do whatever the fuck he wanted until he decided to rape Italy was another one. Countless fucking plagues was another one.

Rome fell because in a period of ~150 years it got body slammed repeatedly. Two mass migrations on opposite ends that destabilized key provinces. Population decline from plauge and structural issues from the split in the Empire. You thrown in a penchant for civil war and voila: Collapse.
Anonymous No.64117195 >>64117204
>>64117179
>As someone who just finished Shelby Foote's 3400 page book on the American Civil War, I can tell you that the South won, and won, and won, and won. If victory on the field of battle was all that it took, the war would've been over after Chancellorsville.
This.

Doesnt matter how much you win when the other guy can not only replace his losses but also grow his army because huge population and huge industry and centralized command chains.
Anonymous No.64117204 >>64117215
>>64117179
>>64117195
Liberals can't fight. It's why whenever they do win a war against us, we inflict 3 times as many casualties at the least.
Anonymous No.64117211 >>64117224 >>64117322
I am interested in what would've happened if the ACW had devolved into a guerrilla war, though.

There are some very interesting Nathan Bedford Forrest interviews about it and why the KKK was founded in the first place, basically as a guerilla army to ensure the north played fair with reconstruction and Confederates weren't rounded up and hung for alleged war crimes, etc.
I think there was something like 55,000 men in the KKK when it was first founded by Forrest, most of them veterans -- it was very clearly a political bludgeon, a warning that the Confederacy would be true to its oaths but only so far as there were no outrages committed against them.

The idea of Forrest leading an insurgency is interesting because he was incredibly gifted with shit like that, a true military genius.
Anonymous No.64117215 >>64117242 >>64117322
>>64117204
Liberals kicked the shit out of Nazi Germany
Anonymous No.64117224
>>64117211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEbv6l-MuUA
Anonymous No.64117227 >>64117284 >>64117322 >>64117565 >>64117661
>>64117169

The Taliban retook Kabul, overthrew the American-backed Afghan government, forced the United States to abandon its imperial projects in Afghanistan as a whole, and inflicted the worst humiliation on it since 1975 (arguably worse since the US had already militarily disengaged from Vietnam two years before). I'd say America was defeated.
Anonymous No.64117231 >>64117237
>>64117179
>The reality is that the Confederacy's real chance to emerge victorious and achieve its independence was almost entirely out of its own hands and was dependent instead of Britain and France. But unfortunately, it was very en vogue to hate slavery at the time in both of these countries which led to some embarrassing diplomatic scenarios in London in particular.

To be fair, the use of coolies (which was functionally tantamount to slavery) was widespread across both empires and very few in a position of power seemed bothered by it.
Anonymous No.64117237
>>64117231
Oh yeah, they had no problem with indentured servitude and serfdom, or sharecropping. But I am choosing the words "en vogue" for a reason, because it was a fashion and a trend, an indulgence for the upper crust of these countries, a way to look down upon the rowdy new world overseas.
Anonymous No.64117242 >>64117293
>>64117215
>Liberals kicked the shit out of Nazi Germany

I wouldn't really call the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin "liberal". Even calling the United States and the United Kingdom liberal (by modern definition of the term) is a bit of a stretch.
Anonymous No.64117268
>>64115751 (OP)
>>64115769
>>64115796
More like "A better army will spend it's resources for the best return" and since fancy uniforms don't do a whole lot in battle you don't see lots of modern armies with fancy uniforms.
Anonymous No.64117274
Also I do highly recommend Shelby Foote's book on the American Civil War, it truly is great
>but he's sympathetic to the south!
Maybe a little but so what. Every historian has a bias that should be noted before you start reading, or that you will figure out as you do.

Still the best civil war book.
Anonymous No.64117282 >>64117301 >>64117343
>>64116351
>Didn't they kick the shit out of the north, but ended up losing due to inferior numbers?
Early on. The Confederacy was a society in which most of the labor was done by black slaves, while the army had a bunch of really restless, knife-fighting, crazy white rednecks who didn't have anything better to do, and those people were terrifying. They won a lot of early battles but then got crushed by the sheer weight of northern mobilization.

>>64116768
>The North had like all of the manufacturing and all of the railroads. The South could never win a war of attrition and tactics had not kept up with technology and that gave a massive edge to the defenders
Well that's the problem with building an economy around cultivating export crops with large gangs of slaves cultivating the soil on mass scale. The north's economy was more productive because of capital investment which runs contrary to the nature of slavery, unless you can convert your states into slave-breeding states (yes, I'm sorry, but this is terrible truth) to breed MORE of them to export to new, fertile territories that haven't been exhausted.

>That being said, fuck niggers and fuck people who think the civil war was about slavery when slave states that fought for the north got to keep their slaves after the war until it was inevitably abolished. And also fuck Booth
And that's a bunch of nonsense because Confederate leaders wrote at the time that it was about salvery and how their whole society was based on it and that's a good thing, and that was the essential difference between them and the north, but you could say it was more about the expansion of slavery into the western territories. Lincoln did campaign on stopping that, which would mean bringing in a bunch of new states, which would permanently shift the balance of power. It was about politics and how slavery interacted with politics. Wars are about politics ultimately.
Anonymous No.64117284
>>64117227
>forced the United States to abandon its imperial projects in Afghanistan
Anonymous No.64117293 >>64117309 >>64117322
>>64117242
I'm obviously not talking about the subhuman communist scum
The US and the UK are without a doubt liberal nations, the UK created the damn thing
>by modern definition
And the union of the civil war is?
Anyway the definition hasn't changed, people just use it wrong or about things irrelevant to what we are discussing
So I digress and reiterate, Liberals kicked the shit out of the authoritarian bootlicking nazi/commie faggots
Anonymous No.64117301 >>64117343
>>64117282
None of the southern states worked particularly well together either. Many of the railroads weren't integrated, each had different currency etc.
Anonymous No.64117309 >>64117313
>>64117293
>Liberals
In the 1930's the US was a Social Democracy operating within the confines of a Constitutional Republic and in the 1940's it was a war mobilization state. Neither qualifies under what we would define as your classical liberal democracy. And the UK was and is literally a monarchy.

Stop.
Anonymous No.64117313 >>64117322 >>64117332
>>64117309
What the actual fuck are you talking about
Literally none of that means it isn't liberalism, the UK created classical liberalism while it was a monarchy, and it was a constitutional monarchy ran by a parliament
Do you have a single fucking clue what you're talking about?
Anonymous No.64117322 >>64117328 >>64117331 >>64117683 >>64117698
>>64117211
We should have kept fighting the tyranny of the North.
>>64117215
The Axis powers inflicted 4-5 casualties for every one it suffered.
>>64117227
Losing to goat fuckers will never happen again after the Hegsethian reforms.
>>64117293
>64117309
>>64117313
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDqr6TxIKuY&t=2s
Liberalism leads to communism.
Anonymous No.64117328 >>64117348
>>64117322
You support the people who filled the US with niggers and destroyed white Europe
Anonymous No.64117331 >>64117348
>>64117322
It is not uncommon for defeated nations to end up with leaders who promise to make things good again, to win victory, and for some reason focus on having good looking men in Hugo Bussy uniforms run things. Purely for aesthetic concerns.
Anonymous No.64117332 >>64117359
>>64117313
I know enough to know that you're confusing a theoretical concepts developed by Lock and Hume and others - liberalism - with political systems. You're just getting a kick out saying
>liberals beat x
Anonymous No.64117343
>>64117282
>>64117301
When your rebellion is based on the sovereignty of states and you're facing a united nation, well, you're up against the wall from the start.
Anonymous No.64117348 >>64117362
>>64117328
>You support the people who filled the US with niggers
The jiggaboo nature of the nigger was kept in check in the Confederacy, like how a mule is only productive when whipped into it.
>destroyed white Europe
Getting confused? That's the shitlibs.
>>64117331
I'm fully aware that you malicious mutants hate everything that exudes strength and beauty and love everything that exudes weakness and degeneracy.
Anonymous No.64117359 >>64117375
>>64117332
Wow you're fucking retarded
>a theoretical
It wasthe definition of a nation states ideological civil outlook while Locke was alive, he was describing what already existed around him
You are conflating your modern perception of what Liberal, Liberalism and Libery mean because you are a simpleton
>a kick out of saying it
No, I get a kick out of a simple refutation to a statement like
>>Liberals can't fight. It's why whenever they do win a war against us, we inflict 3 times as many casualties at the least.
Anonymous No.64117362 >>64117371
>>64117348
You must be so proud le based nazis destroyed and bankrupt Europe, made the Jews untouchable, just like the CSA did for the rabid negros
How based and trad!
Anonymous No.64117371 >>64117384
>>64117362
That's what the liberals did, not the nazis or the confederacy.
Anonymous No.64117375 >>64117402
>>64117359
Yeah, you're crashing out and conflating what he means by "liberal" with what you choose to describe as "liberal".
Anonymous No.64117384 >>64117390 >>64117409
>>64117371
Cope, everyone hated niggers and kikes till your faggot retards made them untouchable
Couldn't just employ poor white men and pay them a decent wage, couldn't just industrialise like anyone not retarded was doing
Nope gotta live like third worlders and make niggers make more niggers so you can keep loads of niggers!
How based
Anonymous No.64117390
>>64117384
>No personal responsibility
Typical liberal
Anonymous No.64117402 >>64117415 >>64117416
>>64117375
>what you choose
No, what the people who conceptualised Liberalism based off the Liberal society they existed in chose
How can you even attempt to detach liberal from its obvious connection to Liberalism is beyond me
Let's face it it's because you and other midwits today want to own the heckin libs, and can't stand the fact that the 'lib' actually hold many restrictive and authoritarian views and that you yourself actual hold many liberal values dear
We are on /k/, what do you think gun rights for the comman man are if not liberal?
Anonymous No.64117409 >>64117420
>>64117384
I present a compromise
can we bring back slavery and industrialize like good boys but put that all in another country
Anonymous No.64117415 >>64117433
>>64117402
You're using the term so broadly its effectively meaningless.
Anonymous No.64117416
>>64117402
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDqr6TxIKuY&t=2s
Liberalism leads to communism.
Anonymous No.64117420 >>64117429 >>64120784
>>64117409
Why don't we just get rid of niggers and not keep a slave race of retards who will inevitably cause massive issues around and instead treat our domestic lower class better off?
Anonymous No.64117429
>>64117420
Enact the Skaven's Red-pilled use of women first.
Anonymous No.64117433 >>64117442 >>64117445
>>64117415
I'm using the term exactly how the people who created the term used it to describe what the exact environment they were describing was
You are trying to detach a family of obviously connected words because you don't like what the modern (misuse) of the word represents despite it being a clear spit in the face to etymology so simple a child could understand it
Anonymous No.64117442 >>64117460
>>64117433
1. He was using the word in the modern sense.
2. Even if he was not, your attempted use is incorrect as there are better descriptors to describe people from different societies with different political systems at that time.
Anonymous No.64117445
>>64117433
The same libtarded ideals that led to the emancipation proclamation led to communism and its countless crimes.
Anonymous No.64117460 >>64117477
>>64117442
>the modern sense
So wrong? Liberal does not mean left winger (or right winger)
Locke was describing England, and its ever increasing focus on individual liberties and the rights of citizens
I am using the word how it was made to be used
Anonymous No.64117477 >>64117504
>>64117460
>So wrong?
language evolves, hence what you're referring to is called "Classic Liberalism".
Anonymous No.64117491
>>64115898
Pic unrelated?
Anonymous No.64117502 >>64117517 >>64117518 >>64117708
>>64117076
There's a historical anecdote about some late-stage Byzantine soldiers refusing to dig fortifications for their camp, on the basis that construction work was undignified for soldiers of Rome, and getting massacred in an ambush. I don't know if that really happened, but if it did, that's pretty fucking sad.
Anonymous No.64117504 >>64117511
>>64117477
But I'm not referring to 'classical liberalism", both political parties of the US today are definitively liberal (for the most part, and in seperate ways at times)
It is a scale, and relatively that is the position they firmly sit in
Anonymous No.64117511 >>64117528 >>64117722
>>64117504
>both parties are liberal
>however use of the word "liberal" refers to the one and not the other
>because language evolves
We done here or?
Anonymous No.64117517
>>64117502
>construction work was undignified for soldiers of Rome
Anonymous No.64117518
>>64117502
>lage stage Byzantine
Do you mean 14/15th century?
Anonymous No.64117528 >>64117535
>>64117511
So you're tok say dis na perfectly acceptable usage for di oyinbo language?
Anonymous No.64117530
>>64115808
But they were successful.
Anonymous No.64117535 >>64117579
>>64117528
No. Because that is not standard English.
Anonymous No.64117539
>>64115985
Does anyone have a screen cap of that army of Hobos post?

I have been trying to find it for years
Anonymous No.64117546 >>64117581
>>64115985
>I don't understand why people suck them off when they looked worse at the end than they did at the beginning.
Only the Brits finished looking like they did at the start. Which is impressive but also not a good thing.
Anonymous No.64117565
>>64117227
The taliban didn't do that. The US set up a house of cards government because it sucks at nation building. If you build a shitty house and abandon it, do the homeless that squat there afterwards win? No, it just makes the US retarded and its own worst enemy. Only America can beat America.
Anonymous No.64117579
>>64117535
What dictionaries are standard for the 2 different accepted forms of English language then?
Though that thought does make me think I'm a stupid fuck and you might be right
Anonymous No.64117581
>>64117546
Britain didn't recover between the wars and it took a very long time for them to begin recovering afterwards (and what progress was made is being thrown away).
Anonymous No.64117661
>>64117227
america left because afghanistan was a money pit. there was hardly any fighting after 2014. the taliban only got uppity after trump announced a withdrawal, but they didn't get uppity with us forces because they knew they'd lose every battle.
Anonymous No.64117683 >>64117693
>>64117322
>Losing to goat fuckers will never happen again after the Hegsethian reforms.

Bruh, the military objectively got worse under Trump the first time around and he's only doubled down on his retardation for Round 2, so it's more likely to lose now than before.
Anonymous No.64117693 >>64117703 >>64117709 >>64117726
>>64117683
At least the neo-cons threw money at the military but all Trump cares about is saving money
Anonymous No.64117698
>>64117322
>We

I highly doubt you are from the Southern United States or descended from someone who is. Hell, I have doubts that you're even American given how frequently you spout the most deranged glavset talking points.
Anonymous No.64117703 >>64117710
>>64117693
The National Guard literally just ran out of money, the big DC deployment is getting pushed back a week because they can't fucking pay anyone right now.
Anonymous No.64117708 >>64117734 >>64120957
>>64117502

There's an identical account in the book Jarhead where Saudis first refuse to dig trenches after being instructed on the basics of doing so by US Marines, and then somehow found a bunch of Filipinos and paid them $20 to dig it for them.
Anonymous No.64117709
>>64117693
Don't forget the billions of dollars worth of lost F-35 sales that some MIGA-tards will claim isn't a big deal
Anonymous No.64117710 >>64117731 >>64117755
>>64117703

How the fuck does the Department of Defense run out of money?
Anonymous No.64117722
>>64117511
Boomers did effectively create and espouse (neo)liberalism regardless of which political party they outwardly represent, yes
Anonymous No.64117726
>>64117693

I wouldn't say the military was necessarily better-off under Neo-Cons (pic related, thanks George W. Bush), but it was less visibly decaying under them than Obama, Trump, and Biden where standards and public opinion of the institution have basically fallen through the floor and into the basement.
Anonymous No.64117731
>>64117710
Whiskey Pete swiped his purchase card to get Louis XIII in the Pentagon liquor cabinet, pls understand.
Anonymous No.64117734 >>64117747
>>64117708
Arab win!
Anonymous No.64117747
>>64117734

I wouldn't even say it's "Arabs are lazy lol" because the Iraqis managed to build extensive fortifications in the Kuwaiti desert in a matter of months (they just proved completely useless against highly mechanized Americans). It's really just a uniquely Saudi kind of sloth.
Anonymous No.64117755
>>64117710
>National Guard Bureau at the Pentagon directs personnel funding to individual states based on money allocated in yearly NDAA
>a couple months ago NGB thinks they have a budgetary surplus and offers the states unlimited active duty pay for guardsmen who want to work full time, this includes housing allowances and medical benefits
>a LOT of guardsmen sign up for it
>NGB runs an audit and realizes they fucked up and don't actually have the funding to pay for all these dudes
>orders are being cut, guys in schools are being recalled, rumors of drill next month being canceled
>got told not to expect any funding at all until the next calendar year at least
things are not looking good at the Pentagon right now. Fucking ICE stole all our neetbuxx :(
Anonymous No.64117849 >>64117878
>>64116293
Fucking stop with this retarded fake history. The CSA army was well supplied and uniformed after the first initial year thanks to several large clothing depots collecting locally produced uniforms and distributing them to the armies, the CSA also imported large quantities of uniforms on contract from Great Britain. The only difference between a Confederate and Union soldier would be that the Yankee had leather and brass while the Confederate often had to make do with wooden buttons or jeans bags.

The thing is that Union spectators often saw Confederate soldiers on the march, often for a while, or as prisoners, in which case their uniforms would have been worn out. That's what happens when you march 12 hours a day for months. Union soldiers in 1863 in the army of the Potomac wrote that their summer uniforms were in tatters after the campaign period, men even going shoeless. The issue back then was that getting uniforms and supplies to the armies was difficult, especially for the Confederacy, often relying on wagons and trains if they were lucky.
>>64116351
Nah, both side were rather even when it came to soldiers. The South just ran out of men first due to most of the population being Negro slaves.
Anonymous No.64117878 >>64117904
>>64117849
Maybe you should read some first-hand accounts from guys like Samuel Watkins, you moron. They were definitely poorly supplied, towards the end in particular.
Anonymous No.64117904 >>64120520
>>64117878
BECAUSE SAMUEL WATKINS WAS CONSTANTLY FUCKING MARCHING YOU DUMB FUCKING NIGGER
Anonymous No.64119498
>>64115928
Filthy moslems. They ruined the entire mongol empire with their chimpouts
Anonymous No.64119514
>>64116814
Arr rook same
Anonymous No.64119515
>>64115898
>mfw seeing that man in the middle's camo
God, duckhunter camo is so fucking underrated, man!
Anonymous No.64120520
>>64117904
So you mean the experience for the average Confederate soldier on the slog you fucking idiot?
Anonymous No.64120784 >>64120960
>>64117420
Pinko commie faget. I got mine, fuck the lower class.
Anonymous No.64120930
>>64116131
Join them
Anonymous No.64120957
>>64117708
Is that a m21 or m14 used in pic?
Anonymous No.64120960 >>64120975
>>64120784
>fuck paying poor whites a decent wage to do work beneath me
>just import shitskins
Hello Goldberg
Anonymous No.64120975 >>64120986
>>64120960
Just dont be poor retard
Anonymous No.64120986
>>64120975
I'm not, I have empathy for my fellow people. You however are a stupid kike
Why do you want low income work to be untenable for domestic people of the 'same' genetics as you (if you were American and not a Jewish faggot that is)
So you can import more niggers and beaners and pay them near nothing?
Anonymous No.64120992
>>64117074
Those issues you pointed out are endemic to the government structure that the South chose. Limited central bureaucracy leads to many standards and inefficiencies at larger scale. You can see the same thing in their total lack of unified currency that fell to Northern counterfeiting efforts and destroyed pretty much any economic activity for them during the war