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Anonymous No.64117761 >>64117776 >>64117783 >>64117786 >>64117873 >>64117959 >>64118008 >>64118659 >>64118668 >>64118814 >>64119573 >>64119608 >>64119923 >>64120380 >>64121641 >>64121838 >>64123496 >>64123496 >>64125866 >>64127124
>Europe ramping up defense spending
>UK, Italy, and Japan working on their own 6th generation fighters without the USA
>New European aircraft carriers are being built
>More cooperation between Euro militaries
Is America falling behind the arms race? We haven't seen anything to compare with what Europe is putting out lately.
Anonymous No.64117772
>muh america
Anonymous No.64117776 >>64117799 >>64117955 >>64124951
>>64117761 (OP)
Come back in 10 years. Let's see if we actually stick with it. I will say, however, that if a unified European military becomes a thing (which is still far, far away in the future if it ever happens) then SPQR 2.0 is pretty much inevitable.

t. Eurofag.
Anonymous No.64117783
>>64117761 (OP)
Because we aren't doing joint projects for our 6th gen fighters we don't need to wheel out constant mock ups to convince the press that the program is on schedule. That's the only reason the other programs have more publicity at the moment.
Anonymous No.64117785 >>64118681 >>64120477
Too busy cancelling projects, downsizing the military, and giving monke the sucky sucky

Tbf it's just too damn expensive to maintain a global military that's able to easily destroy any threat in any part of the world, the future is localized strength. So far yuros still are pretty bad at making their own jets though, even the third worlders seem to be trying harder
Anonymous No.64117786
>>64117761 (OP)
>substantially behind the US in defense spending
>The US is working on two sixth gen fighters
>US is also building carriers
>Increased cooperation in the Pacific
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
Anonymous No.64117799 >>64117842 >>64117852 >>64119202 >>64124802
>>64117776
Nah, Russia could be on the outskirts of Paris and us Euros would still bitch and moan about muh sovereignty.The Ukraine invasion put a boot in our asses but we still arent close actually having a unified foreign policy, common military spending or even trying to consolidate our 27 armed forces. Even now we could see a far-right wave of russian cocksuckers sabotage everything.
Anonymous No.64117842 >>64117863 >>64117863 >>64117882 >>64119188 >>64119819 >>64121780 >>64123494
>>64117799
The far right is the only chance to stop the hordes of browns and blacks.
Leftists will import millions because of muh human rights, rightists will import millions because of muh cheap labor
Anonymous No.64117852 >>64121399
>>64117799
What's extra dumb is that if Russia collapses tomorrow, what little militarization Europeans have tried will also collapse. We saw this during 1991 as well. Unlike the U.S, Euros don't prepare for a major war until two years after it already started. They didn't take the period from 1991-2022 to build powerful independent armies, they got lazy and took advantage of the peace and became entirely reliant on the NATO alliance. Sometimes I think europeans need invasions just to remember what it is like to actually have to fight for their survival instead of wait around and bitch and complain. They are useless
Anonymous No.64117863 >>64117886 >>64117893 >>64117897 >>64117901 >>64118116 >>64118170 >>64119252 >>64119283 >>64119512 >>64120482
>>64117842
>>64117842
Seriously why don't the establishment parties just stop immigration? They're starting to have severe electoral problems. AfD at over 25%, Reform at about the same, etc. It doesn't even help the pensions that much, 90% of the thirdies are on welfare anyway. The 'far right' parties run on this single issue and if they're really concerned about them they could disarm them overnight by just halting immigration.
Anonymous No.64117873
>>64117761 (OP)
It's good enough to absolutely crush puccia and that's all that matters. Anything more would be a waste of money.
Anonymous No.64117882 >>64117903
>>64117842
You're probably gonna get hate for saying that, but if you look on the ground in Europe, it is completely true. This generation genuinely doesn't want to fight in a war and they especially hate fighting for leftists because of migrants, but unfortunately all right-leaning politicians are pro-Russian. So they are left with voting for destroying Europe or voting for destroying Europe. If this was the 1950s fighting propaganda would be so much easier but you can see from every poll and interview that europeans are just completely demoralized to the core. And leftists there just ignore it
Anonymous No.64117886 >>64117907 >>64122300
>>64117863
>Seriously why don't the establishment parties just stop immigration?
Most countries are, they're just not marketing it very well.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-is-now-leading-the-charge-on-europes-anti-immigration-turn/
Anonymous No.64117893 >>64118731
>>64117863
1. Stopping immigration isn't enough, there's too many there already. People would have to be deported. Trump recognized that.
2. The kind of measures necessary to actually stop immigration would be harsh. The kind of measures necessary to deport immigrants would be extremely harsh. The european center wouldn't stomach the latter, the european left wouldn't even stomach the former. A lot of europe has multi-party systems that rely on coalition and consensus, so they can prevent anything.
3. There are layers upon layers of institutional inertia in favour of immigration. Laws, constitutional articles, constitutional courts, EU agreements, and so on. Matter of fact, a similar thing applies in the US, but Trump basically acts like a dictator and just ignores them. (Yes, I say that as a right wing european who roughly agrees with Trump on immigration). The european center wouldn't accept that - I don't know if I myself would accept it.
Anonymous No.64117897 >>64117952
>>64117863
because a) the center has drank it's own cool aid
b) they really, really hate the far right and copying them is the last thing they want to do
c) they are afraid of violating muh human rights and fear the courts, especially the ECHR
d) the far right getting 25% doesn't matter to them as long as the center plus the right or left can get 50%+1
that being said there have been two open letters co-singed by about a third of Europe's governments asking the ECHR to revist it's asylum ect. rulings. But those need more signatures and above all the signatures of the big 6; Germany, France, the UK, Poland, Italy and Spain.
Anonymous No.64117901
>>64117863
They are elitists and hold disdain for the average citizen.
Also:
>Leftists will import millions because of muh human rights, rightists will import millions because of muh cheap labor
Anonymous No.64117903
>>64117882
Allegedly Nazis were responsible for engineering a united europe. They sure as hell took all choice from the poulous.
Anonymous No.64117907
>>64117886
And there it is
>Merz's coalition, under rising pressure from the anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD) β€” now the largest opposition party in Germany’s Bundestag β€” is taking a far harder course to stem the defection of conservative voters to the far right.
He's only doing this because he knows AfD will win soon if they keep this shit up. I don't know of any left "establisment" individual who is against migration (and any far-right european leader who isn't a Russian-funded puppet) . If they existed, they would sweep polls
Anonymous No.64117952 >>64118010
>>64117897
>the far right getting 25% doesn't matter to them as long as the center plus the right or left can get 50%+1
It does matter though, needing to form extremely tenuous coalitions means about the only thing they can do is maintain status quo, further exasperating the issue and causing the far right parties to grow even faster
Anonymous No.64117955 >>64124802
>>64117776
democratic incapacity is paralyzing and undermining basically every Western nation and institution at the moment, domestic politics worldwide have become too unstable to form a consensus on long term strategic policies. voters across the world feel socially, economically, and culturally alienated from their own countries by this postmodernist neoliberal hell we have inherited, one that is rapidly cannibalizing the future of young people and asking the public to pay more and get less with no plans to reverse this trend. It has become extremely difficult for political parties that support existing political institutions to keep the trust of their electorates and it is leading to the rise of anti-democratic populist movements that will only break institutions further and make material conditions and this alienation worse.

the authoritarian states mostly have their own deep and self destructive diseases as well, really we are in a strange time where every major state is at best stagnating with most in demographic, political, and economic decline.
Anonymous No.64117959
>>64117761 (OP)
>Is America falling behind the arms race?
lol
Anonymous No.64117977 >>64117994
Europe is in an arms race against russia. America is in a race against china. So yes, europe is winning its race and america is losing theirs.
Anonymous No.64117994
>>64117977
'Member when the fuel tanks for China's ballistic missiles were revealed to be filled with water instead of fuel? I 'member.

US equipment is invariably 5-10 years late and several times overbudget, but it actually performs as specified. Countries like China just make shit up.
Anonymous No.64118008
>>64117761 (OP)
The military industrial complex will ensure the US won't fall behind
For profit of course but they'll stay on their A game
Anonymous No.64118010
>>64117952
they don't mind keeping the status quo, they made the status quo.
if anything it makes the coalitions more stable because you don't really have an alternative and provoking early elections that the far right will win is the stuff of nightmares for them.
they can keep ruling with the same old tired coalitions for at least an other decade, include some other smaller party if need be. in 10 years the current party heads will be retired enjoying their lavish pension and board positions. it's some else's problem then
Anonymous No.64118116 >>64118179
>>64117863
At some point you have to consider that maybe possibly they are in fact malicious and not incompetent and they're doing it all on purpose to hurt you because the real powers that be hate you.
Anonymous No.64118170
>>64117863
many left parties in germany are anti-german in the sense that germans as people should stop existing. You can see it in our laws as they state that there isnt a german ethnicity outside of citizenship. In fact if you stated that there are germans and non germans with german citizenship you could get into legal trouble
Anonymous No.64118179
>>64118116
After a certain point incompetence IS malicious.
Anonymous No.64118499 >>64118621
I'm in the British defence industry and I liase with people from lots of other countries, it's undoubtable that LOTS of extra money has gone in to the millitary in the past few years and that Europe is really getting the kick up the ass they needed.
Lots of interesting projects, there is quite a bit more money being spent than reported and more importantly there is a lot more effort too and that is also vitally important.
It would be dumb to say America is falling behind in the arms race, Trump has made many blunders but he was right about Europe picking up more of the slack
Anonymous No.64118621 >>64118657 >>64118735 >>64127973
>>64118499
>Trump has made many blunders but he was right about Europe picking up more of the slack
He was an idiot to suggest such a thing, whose to say Europe won't decide it wants its colonies back and invade America?
Anonymous No.64118657 >>64118669
>>64118621
Delusional, there is no country in the world capable of even attempting an invasion of the US, including its neighbors
Anonymous No.64118659 >>64118678 >>64118739 >>64127399
>>64117761 (OP)
>Is America falling behind the arms race?
I can't tell if this thread is a troll or not.
6th gen: the US has multiple flying prototypes and B-21 if you want to consider that one

>More cooperation between Euro militaries
what the fuck does this have to do with the US falling behind? the US has been wanting Europeans to do more shit with their

>Europe ramping up defense spending
what the fuck does this have to do with the US? the US has been wanting Europeans to spend more on their military for 10 years

>New European aircraft carriers are being built
what the fuck does this have to do with the US? the US has been wanting Europeans to spend more on their military for 10 years
Anonymous No.64118668 >>64127274
>>64117761 (OP)
>>New European aircraft carriers are being built
Anyone go to link to the news story? There's no way the Euro poors have a keel laid. Where are they going to get the steel? They just destroyed Germany's nuclear and non-nuclear energy production.
Does the Eurozone even have the capability to make armored sheet good over 2 inches and larger than 10m?
Anonymous No.64118669 >>64118682 >>64118688
>>64118657
There WAS no country capable of attempting an invasion. Then the US allowed Europe to surpass them.
Anonymous No.64118678 >>64118689 >>64118703
>>64118659
>what the fuck does this have to do with the US falling behind?
Because it's excluding the US. Europe is developing weapons and doing military training without US partnership meaning they see the US as an enemy now.
Anonymous No.64118681 >>64118695 >>64118774
>>64117785
>downsizing the military
didn't the US just increase its defense budget a huge amount? and it's about to have two new science fiction planes?
and is basically going all in on AI and drones in a way that no other country is

do you people just make this shit up
Anonymous No.64118682
>>64118669
As far as I am concerned Europe is not a single national entity and even still cannot outgun China. You should be getting to bed now yourop.
Anonymous No.64118688
>>64118669
Europe isn't a country. Regardless, they don't have the power projection capabilities. France and the UK are the only countries with true aircraft carriers (the UK not even really), combined sub and destroyer fleets are significantly smaller, with large parts of EU navies consisting almost entirely frigate/corvette sized ships. More critically, their supply fleet is considerably underdeveloped compared to the US and couldn't support a land invasion.
There is no world, even where the EU uses Canada as a staging ground, in which an invasion would be successful.
Anonymous No.64118689 >>64118700 >>64118755
>>64118678
you do realize that europe made its own weapons for the entirety of the cold war, and it's only recently they went full cuck mode?
you do realize that europe has historically had a very rich defense industry that the US buys from en masse, with companies like Saab, Bofors, H&K, BAE developing systems the US relies on?
is Israel a US enemy now too because they make tons of stuff?

is it me or have people gotten dumber since covid
Anonymous No.64118695 >>64118722 >>64120329
>>64118681
All that increased military budget won't matter when the US is cutting back on immigration and education, thus reducing their actual brainpower for staying ahead in the tech race.
Anonymous No.64118700
>>64118689
Euros get mad when you point out their militaries are a collective embarrassment, that's all there really is to it. No offense to the people in them, their leaders just haven't made it a priority in over 30 years and still aren't really.
Anonymous No.64118703 >>64118711
>>64118678
Training without the US = seeing the US as an enemy according to you when it's obviously Russia you mongoloid

Just like the picrel anon above me said, it's a good thing they're finally making their own weapons again
Anonymous No.64118711 >>64118751
>>64118703
Russia is failing to take the weakest poorest nation in Europe, they're a complete embarrassment and nobody takes them seriously. No, there's only two enemies that Europe would have serious reason to increase military spending for. One is China, who they're a world apart from and on friendly terms with, and the other is America.
Anonymous No.64118722 >>64118802 >>64120317
>>64118695
Holy cope, do euros really think that burgers in stem are retards like the rest of the population?
Anonymous No.64118731 >>64118736 >>64125677
>>64117893
>People would have to be deported. Trump recognized that.
Trump recognized shit. The whole deporation shit is smoke and mirrors for the masses. In reality the US economy is fueled by those illegal migrants. Simple as.
Anonymous No.64118735
>>64118621
If "Europe", either as a single bloc or as individual states, were to assert itself independently if the United States, its entire strategic calculus changes immensely. European states do not incur nearly the political costs to foreign countries or their own citizens needed to sustain independent action as they do as a part of American led international coalitions. Defense spending has dominated the conversation in the past few years because it's easily quantifiable, but there's much more to it.
Anonymous No.64118736 >>64125942
>>64118731
Yes, the entire US economy is dependent on at most 10 million illegal immigrants performing almost exclusively low-skill menial labor. That's why before 1970 the US economy was one of the worst in the world.
Anonymous No.64118739
>>64118659
>10 years
More like 50. There were debates over this in Congress during the Nixon administration.
Anonymous No.64118751
>>64118711
>Russia is failing to take the weakest poorest nation in Europe, they're a complete embarrassment and nobody takes them seriously.
Yeah, only after getting half of all their aid from the US, along with a shitton of black ops and ISR. Aaaand despite all this, the president of the only competent military in Europe still has said that Russia is an existential threat to France and to Europe while you lounge around.
Please get that TDS checked out.
Anonymous No.64118755
>>64118689
Anon, that was 95 years ago.
The 1960s where 67 ish years ago.
That's 3.5 generations and societal cycles.

Americans still had dynamite in every hardware store and you could mail order a private M2 machine gun if you paid a tax stamp.
Anonymous No.64118774
>>64118681
Unrelated but it's always hilarious when you go on any tech or hardware news videos you always get comments saying the US is behind on AI and drones just cause China keeps on spamming temu drone swarm videos when the reality is, like you said, the US going all in on AI and drones.
Anonymous No.64118802 >>64118848 >>64118856 >>64118861 >>64118917 >>64120329
>>64118722
What do you think happens when a nation loses its best and brightest?
Anonymous No.64118814 >>64118819
>>64117761 (OP)
>Is America falling behind the arms race?
Euros don't even have a space program
Anonymous No.64118819 >>64118827
>>64118814
https://www.esa.int/
Anonymous No.64118827
>>64118819
I'm not particularly impressed
Anonymous No.64118848
>>64118802
Losing? US STEM universities have more research output than all of Europe combined and we poach like 10% of your top talent by giving them an actual salary every year lmfao
Anonymous No.64118856 >>64120496
>>64118802
Losing? US STEM universities have more research output than all of Europe combined and we poach like 10% of your top talent every year by giving them an actual salary lmfao
Anonymous No.64118861
>>64118802
The US massively overproduces talent.
Anonymous No.64118917 >>64118924
>>64118802
I don't know, good thing we're only going through the process of losing the cheapest and most easily exploited at the moment. Yes, that includes the jeets.
Anonymous No.64118924 >>64118976 >>64119207
>>64118917
The US didn't just attract jeets, it also used to attract European scientists and engineers to work on American technology.
Anonymous No.64118976
>>64118924
The people who need the US the least are the most economically valuable.
Anonymous No.64119061
/int/ thread?
Anonymous No.64119188 >>64119487
>>64117842
because being only far right or leftist is the option, right retard?
the moment we get rid of morons like you is the moment everything will get right
Anonymous No.64119202
>>64117799
why is oblastposting always so obvious no matter who pretend to be who?
Anonymous No.64119207 >>64119392
>>64118924
>also used to attract European scientists and engineers to work on American technology
It still does. There's plenty of Europeans at LANL and the like.
Anonymous No.64119252
>>64117863
That's been tried in Denmark. SocDem essentially adopted right wing immigration policies. The extere right parties still poll 20 ish percent. They simply start criticizing til policies that the government enact to combat immigration as overreach and not having any effect on thoose already here. The peoplewho vote for them will never be satisfied.
Anonymous No.64119283 >>64119407
>>64117863
If they stop bringing in migrants the line will go down
Every political party has its own unique set of excuses that they use for why immigration must continue but underneath it all it really is as simple as that
Anonymous No.64119392 >>64119400 >>64119612
>>64119207
If anything it's the opposite, you're seeing a lot of American scientists move to Europe now.
Anonymous No.64119400
>>64119392
Maybe in your wildest dreams.
This /pol/ thread is getting out of hand. What does all of this have to do with weapons?
Anonymous No.64119404 >>64119455
Not falling behind as such, but losing a very important asset due to current administration. Trust.
Anonymous No.64119407
>>64119283
>the line will go down
Inconcievable! The line must go up! The line can't go down, bad things happen when line go down!
Anonymous No.64119455 >>64119531
>>64119404
Yep, America has always been much more reliant on Europe than Europe has been on America. We're just now beginning to see Europe teach America that lesson.
Anonymous No.64119487
>>64119188
Reading comprehension retard.
All normal parties will happily import millions of muslims and africans no matter what the populace thinks of it.
Anonymous No.64119512 >>64119576 >>64120511 >>64124032
>>64117863
Short answer: They can't.

Long answer: It's due to several factors.
- Industry wants immigrants as cheap laborers, and they are extremely influential over politics. So any politician trying to reduce immigration will be dismantled/suicided before he even comes into public awareness.
- Most media are unironically leftist, and since they decide what gets reported on and how, politicians HAVE to do their bidding or else face a smear campaign that costs them their electoral victory. It doesn't help that most journos are aloof upper or upper-middle class nepobabies who never had to ride along with your everyday immigrant to school. All the migrants they ever saw attended the same elite private school, i. e. were reasonably well-behaved.
The few right-wing media outlets remaining are literal neonazi blood-and-soil revanchist types. There's no middle ground anymore.
- Every European country saw the results of right-wingers in power 80 years ago, so politicians have this deep-seated fear of going against court decisions, as that was what dismantled democracies in the past.
- Lastly, we don't have politicians of character anymore. Politicians see their country as a company that is not to be governed, but rather "managed". And like any manager they don't care about long term effects, they only care about the next quarterly report. I have yet to see a politician who entered politics because he believes in something. They are all just in it for the money.

I could go on, but I need to go back to work.
Anonymous No.64119531 >>64119554
>>64119455
Ha! No.
Anonymous No.64119554 >>64119562
>>64119531
He's right though, in a sense. Without us, you'd have no culture. The only all-American culture is nigger culture. It speaks volumes you're all so proud of your 1/32 "German"/"Irish"/"Italian" blood.
It's a symbiosis of some kind. We need you for your military and industrial strength, while you need us to stay civilised.
Anonymous No.64119562 >>64119739
>>64119554
Do you people actually believe this?
Anonymous No.64119573 >>64120934
>>64117761 (OP)
The US buys enough of its own goods to sustain its MIC, who cares what inferior tech lesser nations use.
Anonymous No.64119576 >>64119765 >>64121033 >>64121807 >>64124059 >>64124978
>>64119512
>Most media are unironically leftist
that was never true
for Germany there were multiple analysis on this
>journalists are like 60% left
>editorial is like 70% conservative
>management is >85% conservative
for other European countries that differs of course, but in general it's the same direction

and what people conveniently forget
in 2015
a BIG majority of the population supported the pro refugee policies back then

>same elite private school
wtf
most journalists go to regular public schools
you can complain that their usually upper-middle class families, but not that elitist...
Anonymous No.64119608
>>64117761 (OP)
I hope Europe succeeds but even if all their factional politics, lack of money, and urgency can be bypassed, they would only catch up to being a near-peer level military.
Anonymous No.64119612 >>64119657
>>64119392
This is cope. Trump's budget cuts have only affected pure research and social scientists which did fuck all for the economy and it's a good thing they're gone.
Anonymous No.64119657 >>64119765
>>64119612
>Trump's budget cuts have only affected pure research
yeah sure...
except the weather and climate observation satellites he shut down (where most stuff was already paid for anyway)
or the NSF cuts, which directly affect many STEM programs and especially PhDs
or the NIST, NASA and other agency cuts that all finance lots of research

i'm not even american
I know this because US chemists in my field that I worked with lost or will lose their positions & funding

also my euro uni now has quite a lot more US applicants on PhD position
Anonymous No.64119739 >>64119765 >>64120976
>>64119562
Yes. Give me examples of American culture other than rap, consumerism, lynchings and school shootings.
Anonymous No.64119765 >>64119778 >>64119820
>>64119576
>Germany
>editorial is like 70% conservative
>management is >85% conservative
yes, the same German conservatives that gave us mutti merkel and the wir schaffen das disaster
the center right in Europe is left wing anywhere else in the world, they love the fags, they love the brown, they love taxes, they love regulation, they love to go after peoples rights
that there are a couple of decent ones in their party doesn't excuse that the rest of them are just last decades commies
>>64119657
I've heard of a rise in US applicants as well at my local uni.
to bad al the burgers I've met here are cumguzzeling faggots
>>64119739
Hemingway, Twain, jazz, ect.
the better question is give me an example of american high culture that isn't more than half a century old
Anonymous No.64119778 >>64121285
>>64119765
>same German conservatives that gave us mutti merkel
people change their mind on some issues
how is that so fucking hard to understand??

conservatives were kinda pro immigration in 2015
in 2025 they are not
on other issues they were strictly conservative

and Merkel was pretty much a textbook conservative
most conservatives don't have anything against LGB
she also lowered taxes retard

these just your personal schizo thought

>center right in Europe is left wing anywhere else in the world
completely retarded take
and an objectively wrong one too
Anonymous No.64119819 >>64119824 >>64119826 >>64124988 >>64125630
>>64117842
>The far right is the only chance to stop the hordes of browns and blacks.
We had a far right ruling coalition in the Netherlands last year formed by Geert Wilders. After a year of being told "No you can't do that we have a constitution" he threw a shitfit and then killed his own coalition.
Admirable effort, 0 immigrants stopped. Pic related was his immigration minister and her only victory as a minister was keeping a bunch of brown kids out of a theme park.
Anonymous No.64119820 >>64119902
>>64119765
>Hemingway
Closet British.
>Twain
Closet fag.
>jazz
Literally invented by black people, whom they didn't even acknowledge to be real citizens until the 1960s.

America has no culture. Though I admit they're quite good at stealing other peoples' cultures and selling it as their own. Basically they're like Melkor seeing a thing and then bastardising it into some hideous abomination.
Anonymous No.64119824
>>64119819
>he threw a shitfit and then killed his own coalition.
Should've killed himself as well.
Anonymous No.64119826
>>64119819
>Populists promise the moon for decades then fall apart the minute they're asked to deliver
Shocker.
Anonymous No.64119834 >>64119863
Too bad that they're raising all this money for nothing, since no one on this continent is willing to die for their corrupt regime.
Anonymous No.64119863 >>64119868
>>64119834
I would. So fuck you.
Anonymous No.64119868 >>64119876
>>64119863
Good goy.
Anonymous No.64119876 >>64119886
>>64119868
Coward
Anonymous No.64119886
>>64119876
Anonymous No.64119902
>>64119820
lol
Anonymous No.64119923 >>64120224 >>64125890
>>64117761 (OP)
>Eurostanis
>Doing anything that isn't about importing sand people or dying in mild heat
Anonymous No.64119928 >>64123655
Weapons?
Anonymous No.64120224
>>64119923
>being a brown skin retard living in a zigger vassal state
Anonymous No.64120317 >>64120329
>>64118722
We think they're Chinese and Indian
Anonymous No.64120329 >>64120715
>>64118695
>>64118802
>>64120317
bait
Anonymous No.64120380
>>64117761 (OP)
Don’t worry, France has seen the hole left by the US and is going to be throwing a hissy fit until their slimy French cocks get to fill it. We’re not getting anything done anytime soon
Anonymous No.64120477 >>64120481
>>64117785
>Tbf it's just too damn expensive to maintain a global military
It is NOT too expensive if you make billionaires pay their fair share.
Anonymous No.64120481 >>64120521
>>64120477
>It is NOT too expensive if you make billionaires pay their fair share.
Go back
Anonymous No.64120482
>>64117863
>Seriously why don't the establishment parties just stop immigration
LINE
MUST
GO
UP
Anonymous No.64120496 >>64120555
>>64118856
>and we poach like 10% of your top talent every year by giving them an actual salary
we DID poach
Orange Retard has fucked that up. You should read about how the last six months have affected international students.
Anonymous No.64120511
>>64119512
>same elite private school
Did you grow up in a 1950s movie?
Anonymous No.64120521 >>64120558
>>64120481
fucking disgusting servile faggot
Guess who pays it if they don't? You and me, buddy.
Anonymous No.64120555 >>64121255
>>64120496
I think the tech/AI and military industrial complex who have had their federal budgets untouched and have double that in private budgets could give less of a shit about changs and euros who came to study a useless science degree
Anonymous No.64120558 >>64120642
>>64120521
They already pay. I already pay.
Anonymous No.64120642 >>64120649
>>64120558
As do I. And as should they.
They pay a far lower rate despite using the same roads, water, police, etc.
Anonymous No.64120649
>>64120642
>They pay a far lower rate despite using the same roads, water, police, etc.
???????

They pay a far higher rate.
Anonymous No.64120715
>>64120329
nah, just bantz
Anonymous No.64120934 >>64121017 >>64121034
>>64119573
The US has only survived up to this point because Europe was too divided internally with wars to both re-conquering the US. What happens now that Europe is both militarized and united?
Anonymous No.64120976
>>64119739
By posting here you are consuming and participating in American culture.
Anonymous No.64121017
>>64120934
nothing
why the fuck would we attack them? even if we had the power to do so.
only ziggers and chinks dream of something like that
Europe on the whole doesn't dream of retuning to empire. we want the shitskins out for sure. but why should we go handholding them again, they've had decades to fix their own shit
Anonymous No.64121033 >>64121258 >>64121567
>>64119576
>in 2015 a BIG majority of the population supported the pro refugee policies back then
The UK left the union soley off of Merkal trying to force refugees everywhere
Somehow this had been memory holed
Anonymous No.64121034
>>64120934
Just admit you want to take it out on orange man and his admin and at least 2/3rds of Americans will agree with you
Anonymous No.64121255
>>64120555
there are plenty that aren't going because they don't like the climate.
it's also not so much the wages that attract people as being able to work for x or to work on y.
also good luck getting into MiC research as a foreigner.
Anonymous No.64121258 >>64121571
>>64121033
>Merkal trying to force refugees everywhere
Which famously worked everywhere else in the eu... oh wait it didn't.
Anonymous No.64121285
>>64119778
sure people change their mind.
instead of letting everyone in the want to let most of them in while we should be kicking most of those we've let in out.
they are still fairwind lefties.
>but they aren't left
compare them with their own parties in the 60ies and tell me they aren't left wing
Anonymous No.64121399 >>64121456
>>64117852
>Sometimes I think europeans need invasions just to remember what it is like to actually have to fight for their survival instead of wait around and bitch and complain.
What survival is the US fighting for?
Anonymous No.64121456
>>64121399
Economic survival
Anonymous No.64121567 >>64121571
>>64121033
In name only.
Their government is doing 99% of the EU bidding though.
Like how the conservative position is only 1.5 Million MENA immigrants a year
Anonymous No.64121571 >>64121657 >>64122189
>>64121258
No but that is what was happening in 2014, they don't have foresight

>>64121567
Yeah it's changed fuck all and their government ignored the sentiment, but that is why the majority of their voting populace chose to leave the EU
Anonymous No.64121641 >>64122189
>>64117761 (OP)
america is irrevent now, its a luke warm russian ally run by indians and russia today viewers
Anonymous No.64121657 >>64121744 >>64122189
>>64121571
>why the majority of their voting populace chose to leave the EU
Well the full focus of Rusisas shilling machine and the fact that nigel farage is a kremlin agent might have swayed them into making a disasterous decision that benifited only the remlin
Anonymous No.64121744
>>64121657
Anon it was Merkel and the 2014 refugee crisis, both sides gave out dogshit arguments no one gave a fuck about
At that time though there was insistence on taking refugees, all I'm refuting is that the majority of people were pro refugees at the time when one of the biggest EU economies left over that exact issue
Anonymous No.64121780
>>64117842
>far right
>far left
Can I tell you both to fuck off?
Anonymous No.64121807
>>64119576
That's a whole lot of insane bullshit you're making up.
Anonymous No.64121838 >>64122108 >>64122130 >>64124071
>>64117761 (OP)

Ukraine has shown what peer vs peer modern warfare will look like. Entrenched in bunkers, not even armour able to move safely above ground, numerical superiority means nothing now.

The US still has the best force projection of any military, it just needs to shift doctrine completely away from infantry and armour.
Anonymous No.64122108
>>64121838
>modern peer to peer warfare
kek
Anonymous No.64122130
>>64121838
>Ukraine has shown what peer vs peer modern warfare will look like.
Yeah, if both sides are poor and don't have air power.
Anonymous No.64122189
>>64121571
Exactly, don't forget that law that forces the UK to adopt all EU policies regarding energy and other stuff.
>>64121641
Lol. Maybe Israel will stop controlling our government and Putin will refuse to meet with president Trump, since they're irrelevant.
>>64121657
Kek. You know that's classified as malinformation?
CIA declassified the entire money chain, it's currently under both criminal and civil investigation across 2/3 branches of government.
As a legal statement of fact, the steel dossier was a known fraudulent document purchased from a former MI5 British operative, by the newly formed cispa DHS, financed by the Hillary Clinton campaign and State Department with the funding for the millions spent on it coming from an NGO directly funded by George Soros.
Anonymous No.64122300
>>64117886
Merz ain’t doing shit lol, boomer journalists still falling for election bait
Anonymous No.64122539 >>64122547 >>64128116
>Is America falling behind the arms race?
Yes but not entirely because of Europe. Instead because of Israel and partially Europe too.

The world is becoming more Asian. Asia is becoming much richer and there's nothing anyone can do about it. South America and Europe are declining parts of the world economically. Africa has a booming population but is still dirt poor and will be for some time.
Asia is the future. Now - this also means future conflicts will be Asian. Not European. Not Middle Eastern either. Yes I know the Middle East is Asia but stick with the story. We will see some kind of resolution to the Korean dilemma this century. And the Taiwan dispute. As well as islands in the South China Sea. Kashmir? Why not. Maybe India will dam some of those rivers - think GERD on steroids. The Philippino claim to Sabah. Anyone with a dispute with Indonesia could stir shit up in Papua with proxies just to fuck with Jakarta.
This isn't an exhaustive list and I didn't even include the latest clash between Thailand and Cambodia. All of these conflicts can be resolved militarily and will require weapons. Who is building armies to fight in Asia? Not Europe. Not Israel. Not the US. And the former two keep trying to get the US back to the Middle East to sort out Gadaffi, Assad, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran - all these conflicts which aren't part of the world global majority who already make a substantial part of the world's wealth and will soon own most of it in some decades' time.
Anonymous No.64122547
>>64122539
These places, except for a few cities in China and also Singapore, aren't centres of the world yet. But they probably will be in time and the people there will want to fight wars.
Anonymous No.64123494 >>64124324
>>64117842
>Let's stop that chatter about european military buildup. Timmy from /pol/ here is prepared to give us his presentation about how his favourite corrupt autocrats are based, trad and redpilled and by no means are similar to Putin
Anonymous No.64123496
>>64117761 (OP)
>>64117761 (OP)
Trumps at fault, since he took office he's been the beligerent making everyone angry at the USA. The decade we sell our newest jet pet is the one he fucks it up.

We're going to be behind for a long time. Maybe when your grandkids get to vote.
Anonymous No.64123655
>>64119928
Something blew up in Russia again.
Anonymous No.64124032
>>64119512
>Every European country saw the results of right-wingers in power 80 years ago
Daily reminder that Poland and the UK as well as most of the world at the time would be considered 'far right lunatics' nowadays and they certainly were not on the 'left'.
Anonymous No.64124059
>>64119576
lmao
https://www.journalismusstudie.fb15.tu-dortmund.de/die-befragungen/journalistinnen-2024/
Anonymous No.64124071
>>64121838
>handicapped person trying to walks is how modern walking ACTUALLY looks like
Anonymous No.64124324 >>64124736 >>64125727
>>64123494
That was actually completely relevant. Why fight for a government which is actively giving away your homeland to a bunch of shitskin parasites who hate you? The great replacement and reaction from White American/European youth is the elephant in the room in every conversation regarding remilitarization, the financial policy necessary to finance said remilitarization, and especially the potential return of a draft/conscription.

>in B4 zigger
Russians are subhumans and the brownoid migrants you simp for love them
Anonymous No.64124736 >>64124933 >>64125579 >>64128630
>>64124324
Either you are shill, underage or simpleton. Being such a moron, that you'd vote in some "strong hand" authoritarian leader (for some reason they always turn out to be very self serving and/or mouthpieces of vatnik "worldview") just because he says the same things, that cool, edgy guys at your anime club do is retarded. Also idc that much about your butthurt when you meet Gupta or Malik from Uber Eats. If you followed news, you'd know that some things are actually being done to set in place some control system, but as all things in Europe, it's all slowly, ineffective and partial for now.
But more than all I hate you, faggots, who'd gladly get cucked by anybody who promises you "security and safety" as long as you are good boy. Fucking essence of vatnik mindspace
Anonymous No.64124802 >>64125021
>>64117799
>>64117955

Agree with these two.

Also, after the cold war, what could be described as European values are not compatible with defence policy. The Four Freedoms is basically it, and it's all about economic freedoms, same thought process we had before WW1, thinking trade would make future wars impossible, because we would all lose on it. The ideal European citizen is a peaceful, highly educated person who can move from country to country within Europe for the best job opportunities, but in that process, we lost the ability to instill a sense of home in the same young people. It's then no wonder why most young people would prefer to move to somewhere safer elsewhere in Europe, if they got invaded.

I can't really blame the Ukrainian who prefer to move to my (so far) safe country, rather than stay back and fight, when my own people can't stop whining about somewhat increased electric bills due do the war.
Anonymous No.64124933
>>64124736
>idc that much about your butthurt when you meet Gupta or Malik from Uber Eats
There is no way anyone who talks like that owns a single firearm

So why are you on /k/?
Anonymous No.64124951
>>64117776
>SPQR 2.0
Are you retarded? If this place decides to unify, it will be closer to the Soviet Union, but much gayer.
Anonymous No.64124978 >>64125044
>>64119576
>editorial is like 70% conservative
Conservative or (((conservative)))?
Anonymous No.64124988
>>64119819
What were people really expecting from the proud jew-lover?
Anonymous No.64125021 >>64125095
>>64124802
I see it as part of a universal trend the world over with paradoxical entitlement. Men, women, employers, employees (more sympathetic here because I am one), governments, governed. In this case just as in every other a party wants all of X but wants to give none of Y required for it. They want the patriotic, "Do what your country needs" nationalistic solidarity that can be turned on and off like a switch. You can't have your cunt being a special economic zone and also expect people to be willing to fight and die for muh flag. While we've often had leadership wanting to shirk their responsibilities it's fallen a thousand miles from WW1 where, as vile and shitty as the aristocracy was they actually nutted up and went and fought and died.

One reason why I think a lot of us liked Zelinsky at least on the face of it was here was a guy who stuck around to help marshal resistance when he was guaranteed to be tortured and executed if he was caught. Whereas everywhere else and it was our (royal our, IE meaning average people) governing class who run off and party during covid lockdowns, who run off on vacation while their state freezes, who take the money and run while the Taliban sweeps in. We're not even Rome circa Caesar we're Rome circa the 4th and 5th century when the only reason to enlist is the mercenary profits of it.

And just like then it's not the people's faults. It's the cocksucking do nothing 'eLiTeS' who have fucked up everything they've been given.
Anonymous No.64125044
>>64124978
(((Cuckservative)))
Anonymous No.64125095
>>64125021
Roman armies during the fall of the Republic and Empire both only had loyalty to their own generals and paycheck
Anonymous No.64125579
>>64124736
>Ad hominem
>Putting words in my mouth
>Not addressing my completely reasonable arguments

Go fuck yourself, you goofy latinx redditor.
Anonymous No.64125630
>>64119819
They hardly ruled, Kees. They were sabotaged at every turn by the bureaucrats and by their supposed center right coalition partners. Now yes, Wilders is a Jodenhond. But He got 0 policies of his through, so no wonder he ditched them. The VVD and NSC would never allow real right wing policy.
Anonymous No.64125677 >>64125942
>>64118731
Being fueled by sub minimum wage (essentially slave labour) means your economy is in really dire straits. Middle class consumption, innovation and high productivity improve an economy. Exploiting workers to the point of barely giving them sustenance does not usually make for a solid economy.
Anonymous No.64125727 >>64125746
>>64124324
the russians see everything as master and slave relationship, the master gets to rape the slave
I do not want my native land to be the slave of some mongoloid slave rape empire
I don't want the families of the chill Poles that work the evening magazine shift that get things done without complaining and like to shoot the shit with me to live under the mongoloid slave rape empire
I don't want my children or their children to live under any slave rape empire be it the islamists, the vatniggers or the niggers
I want the shitskins out and the white shitskins contained as far away from me as possible
all you are saying is that because our politicians are gay would should just let the russians rape us in the ass
well fuck that a safe and white Europe needs the russians getting their shit kicked in just as much as it needs the brown kicked out
Anonymous No.64125746 >>64125838
>>64125727
No, not at all. I'm just saying that enacting actual pro-White policies and shipping the browns out would improve morale among the populace and crater support for russian backed grifter parties.
Anonymous No.64125838
>>64125746
true, but the current political elite wants it's cake and eat it to
but the tide is starting to turn
the mantra used to be and still is like in the Netherlands that we can't do x because the judges won't let us
but there have been two open letters this year by about a third of the EU's member states asking for the ECHE and the EU court of justice to revisit it's past rulings on migration
now those won't do much on it's own but at least the center cucks are no longer just hiding behind the judges
Anonymous No.64125866 >>64125877 >>64125899 >>64125914 >>64126295
>>64117761 (OP)
What has caused Youreapeeins to become so fucking delusional over the last few years? They weren't always like this.
Anonymous No.64125877
>>64125866
We're just trying to keep up with the americans, thats all.
Anonymous No.64125890
>>64119923
kek
Anonymous No.64125899
>>64125866
They don’t like that Trump is able to take advantage of them.
He told them to pay for their own defense and now they are. Now he got the EU to cuck on tariffs and they hate that. It seems that the prescribed cope is pretending their collective militaries are impressive
Anonymous No.64125914
>>64125866
Because /k/ is the easiest board to troll
Anonymous No.64125942 >>64127038
>>64125677
>>64118736
Bruh, it's not that I disagree with you, but large sectors survive only because they have access to that cheap labor. Like farmers for example. And a ton of service jobs. The issue is that murrican consumers want to pay small prices and don't care what sort of outsourcing and other bullshit has to be done to keep the prices from growing like they "should". Just a dose of covid-relief inflation and whole society almost went crazy. Well damn, without cheap labor and outsourcing shit would be way more expensive.
Anonymous No.64126295
>>64125866
They were. You haven't spent enough time around them to learn how retarded they really are.
Anonymous No.64127038 >>64127068 >>64127219
>>64125942
Every other time minimum wage was increased we saw a massive increase in automation, the same will happen to farming.
Anonymous No.64127068 >>64127071 >>64127219 >>64129223
>>64127038
After a while, yeah. You'll also see more corporate owner shit and centralization of food production, where Foodco will be able to afford robots, while smaller independent producers will be fucked. Not a great plan long term.
Anonymous No.64127071 >>64127078
>>64127068
The small farm owners were the least likely to be hiring illegals in the first place.
Anonymous No.64127078
>>64127071
Not really, the "small farm owners" these days aren't that small that they do everything themselves, they use seasonal workers. This shit is being done even outside US, e.g. in Europe, where semi-legal hiring of ukies for that a big thing before 2022. In US that's even more widespread, since a regular "small farm" is even larger.
Anonymous No.64127124 >>64127128
>>64117761 (OP)
>Europe ramping up defense spending
kinda, some of it is creative spending
>UK, Italy, and Japan working on their own 6th generation fighters without the USA
Yeah, and the UK doesn't want to share any tech with Italy or Japan, this partnership is going nowhere.
>New European aircraft carriers are being built
For what?
>More cooperation between Euro militaries
Just as planned
>Is America falling behind the arms race?
No.
Anonymous No.64127128 >>64127132 >>64127291
>>64127124
The biggest problem is that European militaries have something the American military doesn't have: Motivation. Europe is willing to fight and die for the cause to the last man.
Anonymous No.64127132 >>64127139
>>64127128
Why do you guys always just make shit up and expect everyone to take it seriously?
Anonymous No.64127139 >>64127142 >>64127291 >>64129223
>>64127132
Dude, have you been paying attention at all? Ever since Europe's been spending more on their military Europeans have been saying they'll restore their colonies, bring back the Roman Empire, balkanize the US, etc.

When was the last time American soldiers ever had that kind of ambition and motivation?
Anonymous No.64127142 >>64127147
>>64127139
Where are they saying this? 4chan?
Anonymous No.64127147 >>64127159 >>64127291
>>64127142
4chan, reddit, twitter, etc.
Anonymous No.64127159
>>64127147
Anonymous No.64127219 >>64127256
>>64127038
>>64127068
Replacing fruit pickers with robots seems like an ideal solution to the problem. I'm sympathetic to the argument that it'd hurt smaller farm owners but if I had to choose between them or keeping the current amount of illegals/season visa holders it's not a hard choice at all. People are reflexively against automation often without realizing that their jobs probably wouldn't even exist in the first place if not for prior technological advancements that initially displaced labor.
Anonymous No.64127256 >>64127270 >>64129223
>>64127219
Most american issues aren't caused by illegals, but by the political class who doesn't give even a sliver of shit and large parts of society who are delusional in their retarded political views (from both sides btw).
It's not the illegals whom made retarded local policies and fucked housing development, nor were it illegals whom outsources 90% of manufacturing jobs overseas, both of which were the primary components for you observing the shitfest with cost of living and fucking of middle class.
Similarly it's not a problem with illegals when L.A. if filled with homeless, addicts and literal shit on the streets, or people robbing the stores. Those are usually actually the locals failed by the system. The system which doesn't give a flying fuck about actual problems because people instead can be fed with retarded culture war bullshit.
This isn't to discount the retarded mess of "not being able" to do basic bitch shit like securing the border (which is literally one of the most basic jobs of any country) or the insane crap like having "sanctuary cities" being a thing.
Anonymous No.64127270 >>64127277 >>64127310
>>64127256
>it's not a problem with illegals when L.A. if filled with homeless, addicts and literal shit on the streets, or people robbing the stores
Not true, illegals make up a large part of the market for buyers and sellers of stolen goods. Lots of them also end up homeless

>Those are usually actually the locals failed by the system
How does 'the system' force someone to get addicted to opiates and then piss off every other person in their life to the point where no one they know is willing to lend them their couch until they get back on their feet? Not everything is a systemic failure, homelessness is almost always an individual failing. The people who are truly down on their luck and temporarily homeless almost always end up recovering after living in their car for a few months or so, the perpetually homeless are perpetually homeless because they are not interested in getting better. No housing program contingent on rehabilitation/work requirements has ever succeeded.
Anonymous No.64127274
>>64118668
Anyone?
Anonymous No.64127277 >>64127286
>>64127270
>How does 'the system' force someone to get addicted to opiates
There was actually a huge scandal about just that
Anonymous No.64127286 >>64127300 >>64127334 >>64127347 >>64129107
>>64127277
Over-prescription of painkillers to people who don't actually need them is an issue but the people getting addicted usually take more than the prescription says to. Regardless, what do you have to say about the "and then piss off every other person in their life to the point where no one they know is willing to lend them their couch" part?
Anonymous No.64127291 >>64127305
>>64127128
>>64127139
>>64127147
Basless posturing isn't effective propaganda, it usually has to be based on some little bit of truth. Most European countries, especially the western ones, routinely rank among the lowest in the world for how willing their populations are to fight and die for their country.
Anonymous No.64127300
>>64127286
Length of prescription and dosage recommendations are also a problem. It's anecdotal, but I've know people who have been recommended to take Vicodin and the like for 28 days. This is enough to cause withdrawals when the prescription ends.
>what do you have to say about the "and then piss off every other person in their life to the point where no one they know is willing to lend them their couch" part?
Being an addict or a turbopoorfag for an extended period will make you evil, reckless, and irresponsible. It can be very difficult to reverse.
Anonymous No.64127305 >>64127318
>>64127291
Polls aren't reliable, Canadians might seem harmless outwardly but when the chips are down they're some of the most nasty warriors you'll ever seen, they're the reason we have laws against warcrimes.
Anonymous No.64127310 >>64127320 >>64127332
>>64127270
>How does 'the system' force someone to get addicted to opiates
1. By giving out opiates like candy for random bullshit as "medicine" even in cases when it wouldn't be a good idea. A ton of the opiate addicts are victims of healthcare pushing opiate painkillers too eagerly.
2. By not fighting the illegal drug trade and instead wasting decades running around some retarded kids and their weed shit.
3. By not supporting vulnerable people, so that they don't fall into drugs in the first place. E.g. trowing away ex-soldiers like used condoms and not helping them getting back into their civilian life, helping them with their PTSD and so on.

>illegals make up a large part of the market for buyers and sellers of stolen goods
Stolen goods are bought by pretty much everyone, the issue isn't that they are bought, the issue is that thieves aren't being prosecuted and jailed. You've literally legalized theft and are doing a surprised_pickachu_face.png

>The people who are truly down on their luck and temporarily homeless almost always end up recovering after living in their car for a few months or so
If they even have a car. Also, all of the support programs are shit and retarded and do everything so that people in need wash their hands from them and surrender to shit. Like yeah, sure, "perpetually homeless" are a thing and many of them are mentally fucked and require mental support before anything else, but don't say for a second that existing support programs and system are good enough and a random normal person wouldn't have any issues in getting the support they need. Have you ever had to deal with that crap? 95 out of 100 state-related bullshit barely works or is fucked.
Anonymous No.64127318
>>64127305
>Canadian warcrimes
This is the same tier of reddit pop-history factoid nonsense as the Soviet female sniper propaganda stories
Anonymous No.64127320 >>64127363
>>64127310
It's also pretty common for homeless to prefer to sleep on the streets due to shelters being too dangerous.
Anonymous No.64127332 >>64127358 >>64127402 >>64129223
>>64127310
>By not supporting vulnerable people, so that they don't fall into drugs in the first place. E.g. trowing away ex-soldiers like used condoms and not helping them getting back into their civilian life, helping them with their PTSD and so on.
Soldiers get generous benefits, the issue is more so that in peacetime that military service primary appeals to people with limited economic prospects, this is the same class of people getting addicted to opiates and the like in the first place. Regardless it's not the governments job to stop you from being a fuck up.
>Stolen goods are bought by pretty much everyone, the issue isn't that they are bought, the issue is that thieves aren't being prosecuted and jailed
Middle class and above people don't buy stolen goods. Even working class people largely don't, at least not knowingly. The only reason the current phenomenon of organized retail theft gangs exists is that they have easy access to grey markets in the form of facebook marketplace, open air street markets, etc. It's primarily an enforcement issue with cops being unable/unwilling to break up the markets and prosecutors being overly lenient but illegals play a large role in areas where they're present as many recent arrivals have struggled to find steady employment and cost of living increases have hit them too, leading them to buy stolen goods.
>don't say for a second that existing support programs and system are good enough and a random normal person wouldn't have any issues in getting the support they need
I'm sure there's issues but without all of the stipulations and requirements the programs would be subject to massive amounts of fraud. We tried that in Minnesota and it lead to hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars in welfare fraud with seemingly a new massive case every other month, most recently specifically with housing assistance.
Anonymous No.64127334
>>64127286
>but the people getting addicted usually take more than the prescription says to
You have no idea how bad things can be. My friend suffers from chronic leg pain, something to do with nerves being fucked inside a leg, impossible to fix even with surgery, has to walk around with a cane at 30 y.o. as if he's some senior citizen, which doesn't even stop the pain btw. The pain is always there somewhere in the background, waiting to reappear as if it jumps out from the bushes - just appears out of nowhere and slowly creeps up even if he just lies in bed, reach the point where he could start doing self-harm to try and drown it out. Doctors (yes, he tried multiple ones) just prescribe him opiate painkillers, with an understanding that it's _for life_, with a specific schedule and dosage, which even after basic research pointed out that he would pretty much guarantee an addiction. He'd just be a legal drug addict. He said fuck it and started experimenting with self-medication, figuring out that nothing could be worse than being an opiate druggie. After some time he found out that basic bitch weed helps, when the pain becomes too much, he just smokes some weed and it dissipates, then in 2-6 weeks the pain comes back and he smokes up again. Guy literally has weed and related shit in his medicine cabinet at home. So no, it doesn't take much to stumble into addiction.
Anonymous No.64127343
It is somewhat ironic that despite /pol/ topics being banned, discussions about them here are always far more civilized and nuanced
Anonymous No.64127347
>>64127286
>what do you have to say about the "and then piss off every other person in their life to the point where no one they know is willing to lend them their couch"
This just shows you how sheltered you are if you think that everybody has people in their lives who'd be willing to lend them their couch. That's kinda the problem with this line of reasoning, you don't stop even for a second to think that life is different and not everyone has shit like you do. You don't even need to be some bad person to not have anyone who could help.
Anonymous No.64127358 >>64127378
>>64127332
You've never actually dealt with anyone with real PTSD or another legitimate mental condition, have you?
Anonymous No.64127363 >>64127378
>>64127320
Exactly. When they provide shelter which had your stuff stolen and you beat up, why are surprised that people are taking their chance under the bridge? Or even worse, it can be safe, but have retarded rules which fuck up any change of being useful to get back on one's feet, e.g. something like a curfew at 6 PM (yes, that's a thing), i.e. you can't actually work and get back to the shelter after work before it's closes its doors for the night. Nice fuckin' support system lmao.
Anonymous No.64127378 >>64127422
>>64127358
Not in my immediate family but some of my more distant relatives have suffered from schizophrenia, I know it's extremely taxing to deal with. The best way to support such people is institutionalization, it is cruel to expect them to function in a world where they cannot, regardless of how much other financial and medical support they receive. To be clear, I'm not saying this is the case for PTSD.
>>64127363
What's the alternative? People live in the communities where these shelters are, they don't want homeless people living in them going out to buy and use drugs on their streets at night. They're being supported by other people's money, the least they can do is not inconvenience them any further.
Anonymous No.64127399
>>64118659
>for 10 years
60
Anonymous No.64127402 >>64127432
>>64127332
>Soldiers get generous benefits
Soldiers get dick into ass, to quote our russian friends.
VA hospitals are a meme.
Civilian people often don't give a shit about military work experience (even when it obviously makes sense and has value) and instead choose clueless retards without experience instead.

>the issue is more so that in peacetime that military service primary appeals to people with limited economic prospects
Not really, the biggest issue is the sudden change of the life. You had people whipped into a specific life style during their service and then instantly eject them into "anarchy". Similar shit happened with post-USSR countries after 1991 where like half of the population couldn't do anything because they've lived their lives with the state telling them what to do and now suddenly they themselves have to figure things out, so they become limp like puppets with their strings cut off. People going to jobs where their salary isn't paid by years (that's right) was just one shining example of this.

>Middle class and above people don't buy stolen goods.
1. They do, it's just that often they buy different classes of stolen goods.
2. You are confusing social income levels with cultural and moral upbringing, there's plenty of people who are well off income wise, but will easily buy stolen stuff to save a buck, just because they view that as being thrifty.

>I'm sure there's issues but without all of the stipulations and requirements the programs would be subject to massive amounts of fraud
That's the thing, stuff is designed by retards, any attempt to combat fraud when done by retards (which is 9 times out of 10) will only target normal people and just generate false positive bullshit. Which happens in most cases, even in private sector. It takes actual skills and adaptability to design processes and rules which:
a) don't treat people are criminals and scammers by default;
b) are usable;
c) don't become a hell hole riddled with scammers;
Anonymous No.64127422
>>64127378
>What's the alternative?
Anything else, since the current system obviously doesn't work at all. If you want the shelters to help people get back on their feed, then the first thing you need to understand is that it shouldn't be a pain to use, it shouldn't be dangerous to use, it shouldn't prevent the person from being able to hold a job, etc. Like okay you want a curfew, but why the fuck is it 6 PM and not say 11 PM?

>People live in the communities where these shelters are, they don't want homeless people living in them going out to buy and use drugs on their streets at night.
So instead of person in the shelter who might go out at night to buy stuff and get back to the shelter they'll have a homeless person on the street, since the shelter is an obstacle for the person. Like bruh, it boggles my mind how people can't do basic cause and effect, basic incentive type logic. Some random neckberd playing strategy video games could work out a better a system.
Anonymous No.64127432 >>64127464
>>64127402
>Soldiers get dick into ass, to quote our russian friends.
This just simply isn't true. Free college, generous home loans, and high disability payouts with dubious standards of proof all exist. The last one appears to be more of a recent thing, but the amount the VA spends on disability has skyrocketed, and anecdotally if you ever watch one of those financial review shows and one of the people on them is a veteran, they're almost always pulling in several thousand a month for at most minor training accidents. It's not uncommon to hear of people working as security guards on 70% or higher disability.
>Civilian people often don't give a shit about military work experience (even when it obviously makes sense and has value) and instead choose clueless retards without experience instead.
Also not true, pretty much every job application ever asks for veteran status specifically because it makes the company look better if they hire more veterans. DEI has existed for veterans for basically forever.
>Not really, the biggest issue is the sudden change of the life. You had people whipped into a specific life style during their service and then instantly eject them into "anarchy"
What does the government need to do to better support such people? They already get essentially a free 4 year degree if they choose to utilize their GI bill education benefits, if they can't make that work somehow that's on them honestly.
>there's plenty of people who are well off income wise, but will easily buy stolen stuff to save a buck
I simply don't believe you
>it's just that often they buy different classes of stolen goods
When this does happen, it's usually through ostensibly secondhand marketplaces like ebay/facebook marketplace. They're not buying stolen goods intentionally, they believe they're getting a good deal on used items or simply not even considering such goods could be stolen in the first place because of how foreign the idea is to them.
Anonymous No.64127464 >>64127536
>>64127432
>Free college
Days of college degree being autopilot for a great paying job and social success ended by 1980s.

>generous home loans
Don't mean shit when the basic bitch home cost more than a million dollars.

>and high disability payouts
Your $fucked_up_bullshit_name isn't service related.

>dubious standards of proof
Work both ways.

>pulling in several thousand a month
It's 2025, that's not a lot, in some regions that's not even survival money

>Also not true
Bruh, one of my ex-colleagues spent more than 3 years before he finally was able to get a job. The guy was a young and pretty talented self-taught software developer, he basically fell into this field by chance while serving, went through basic scripting and automation, devops like shit and straight up software development. He had real experience with the stuff, but while college dropout kids without experience were hired left right and center most companies just took one look at his army stuff and ghosted him. It took him working his ass off on Upwork and by sheer luck stumbling into dev who was swamped by work and was hiring freelance contractors to help his company, and yet gave enough of a fuck to see that this guy was working his ass off and was the best contractor in the lot, so he basically sidestepped the whole HR bullshit, went to his boss and said "hire this guy" and thus handed him a job. So yeah, army vets do have a stigma and are often penalized as potential candidates.

>I simply don't believe you
Oh boy do I have fucked up stories for you, but it's not the time or the place
Anonymous No.64127536 >>64128622
>>64127464
>Days of college degree being autopilot for a great paying job and social success ended by 1980s.
It still helps and if you're getting it for free there's little reason not to do it.
>Don't mean shit when the basic bitch home cost more than a million dollars.
Still more help than the average person receives.
>It's 2025, that's not a lot, in some regions that's not even survival money
It's still quite a bit for being literally free money, combined with even a part time job you'll be fine living anywhere but the most expensive regions of the country.
>Your $fucked_up_bullshit_name isn't service related.
Like I said it seems to be more of a recent change
>self-taught
Okay now it makes sense, he had no degree. Yeah no shit it was harder to find work as a software developer than people who had at least some formal education in the field. If he used his GI bill to get a CS degree he would've had absolutely no issue finding a job.
Anonymous No.64127973
>>64118621
>whose to say Europe won't decide it wants its colonies back and invade America?
This is the most retarded thing I have read in a while.
Anonymous No.64128116
>>64122539
The area you speak of will have its populations culled by famine, war, and disease long before they become the new centers of power. If China doesn't unfuck its attitude quick fast in a hurry it will suffer a similar fate to the RF. Led by the US, of course. The only subject still up in the is which one of these moronic countries will be the first to drop a nook.
Anonymous No.64128622
>>64127536
>Okay now it makes sense, he had no degree.
No, it does not make sense. The kids which were routinely hired also had no degree or were college dropouts.
Anonymous No.64128630 >>64129103
>>64124736
The browns keep coming in record numbers. Nothing is changing. There is a record number of voters for far right movements across Europe.
Europe dies by suicide, Such is life.
Anonymous No.64129103 >>64129403
>>64128630
Describe the context of this image
Anonymous No.64129107
>>64127286
Something like half of homeless people are foster kids who aged out of the system IIRC.
Anonymous No.64129223 >>64129271 >>64129275 >>64129448
>>64127068
An excellent and under-discussed point which is worthy of a (you). I'm fine with automation generally but I don't like the idea of everything being owned by a handful of psychotic megacorps.

>>64127139
Schizos and shitposters on twitter/reddit/4chan don't represent what normal people think anon.

>>64127256
>Most american issues aren't caused by illegals, but by the political class who doesn't give even a sliver of shit and large parts of society who are delusional in their retarded political views (from both sides btw).
>It's not the illegals whom made retarded local policies and fucked housing development, nor were it illegals whom outsources 90% of manufacturing jobs overseas, both of which were the primary components for you observing the shitfest with cost of living and fucking of middle class.
Excellent points, but remember the elites are the ones who want infinity immigrants, both legal and otherwise. I disagree regarding housing, I fucking hate developers and we don't need new housing, we need mass deportations.

>Similarly it's not a problem with illegals when L.A. if filled with homeless, addicts and literal shit on the streets, or people robbing the stores. Those are usually actually the locals failed by the system. The system which doesn't give a flying fuck about actual problems because people instead can be fed with retarded culture war bullshit.
Abjectly based regarding culture war bullshit but immigrants mean higher housing costs, lower wages, and more crime (also 13/50, can't forget that).

>>64127332
>We tried that in Minnesota and it lead to hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars in welfare fraud with seemingly a new massive case every other month, most recently specifically with housing assistance.
Kick out the somalians, simple as. The reason we can't have decent social safety net like Europe is because we don't have European demographics.
Anonymous No.64129271
>>64129223
>and more crime (also 13/50, can't forget that).
Most of those 13 are local, that's kinda the point
Anonymous No.64129275
>>64129223
>I disagree regarding housing, I fucking hate developers and we don't need new housing, we need mass deportations.
New housing developments are needed, because the population grows and it's a good thing that it grows. The issue is that the housing and other cities should grow accordingly.
Anonymous No.64129403
>>64129103
Invasion.
Anonymous No.64129419
>US has asked for the rest of the western friendly world to step up
>They do
>"Guys is America on the decline?"
Anonymous No.64129448 >>64129451 >>64129474
>>64129223
>immigrants mean ... more crime
Immigrants to the US commit less crime than native born citizens. Second generation crime rates are higher though as they assimilate to American culture.
Anonymous No.64129451 >>64129459
>>64129448
>Committing widescale fraud not being counted
Anonymous No.64129459 >>64129472
>>64129451
By fraud you mean paying taxes without getting social security?
Anonymous No.64129472 >>64129473
>>64129459
>Illegal entry
>Social security ID fraud
>Tax fraud
>Tax evasion
I can go on, 100% of the illegal immigrant community in the US commit a crime, its in their name.
Anonymous No.64129473
>>64129472
To top if off they generate demand for crime such as theft of IDs from US citizens in order to blend in. Deport them all.
Anonymous No.64129474
>>64129448
Cool, let me see those stats broken down by race. I can only assume that said "US born citizens" statistic includes a certain 13% of the population as well ass latinx and other paper Americans.