Thread 64119147

Does it just come down to materials?

appear strong when you are weak, gweiro. 105 iq chinese pray, save birrions of dorrar.

>>64119147 (OP)
It’s like how wakanda has vibranium, china has chinesium
you wouldn’t understand wyteboi

>>64119147 (OP)
Now it's flat faced like its operators.

This is unquestionably China's worst naval disaster since the Battle of the Yalu River 1894 (to date, there's still WW3), and possibly an even bigger humiliation than Operation Sindoor, the sinking of the Moskva, the F-18 losses in the Red Sea, and the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain. They are never going to recover from this.

On the eve of that battle, most Western observers would have reliably told you that the Beiyang Fleet was indisputably the most powerful in the region by the weight of its battle line. The IJN had nothing even remotely close to its two German-built ironclad capital ships. What happened next would completely shatter that perception, and with it any hopes for Qing China or its successor states, whether the ROC and PRC, of ever being able to challenge Japan in eastern waters for the rest of the 20th Century.

That is the scale of the defeat which the Philippines inflicted on the PLAN and CCG. India and the US may be able to buy new Rafales and Superbugs and fix the hulls of the damaged DDGs (well, maybe Russia isn't going to be able to replace Moskva kek), but the catastrophe that has been befallen China is worse than any material loss: it is the end of its naval ambitions for the next 100 years

>>64119147 (OP)
Its called 'telescoping' and its what all ships do when hitting shit really hard. In fact ships are designed in such a way to survive front end collisions as this was(is) one of the most common ship accidents. They have what's literally called 'collision bulkheads' up front for this reason. There are no 'materials' that will survive thousands of tonnes smashing together and you wouldn't want a ship made out of them if they did exist.

Imagine if the ship was ridgid and did not absorb the force of the impact and would instead come to an almost immediate stop. Everybody on board gets thrown forward at the speed they were going including machinery, furniture and everything else that gets snapped off or broken of and thrown around the ship.

>>64119396
>Imagine if the ship was ridgid and did not absorb the force of the impact and would instead come to an almost immediate stop. Everybody on board gets thrown forward at the speed they were going including machinery, furniture and everything else that gets snapped off or broken of and thrown around the ship
Hot

>>64119396
This. Don't need excess force shattering your entire frame

>>64119147 (OP)
Obvious chink false flag is obvious. All ships crumble like that from collisions, you're supposed to have captains that are smart enough to avoid them instead of ramming fishing boats you subhuman bugman

>>64119147 (OP)
As already established, this is normal and designed behavior for ships. My hope is that they start installing proper rams onto their ships. I don't care if they end up ramming each other again. Ramming speed!

>>64119396
bring back the RAM

>>64119147 (OP)
Ships are heavy, a heavy ship going fast has a shitload of energy, "telescoping" during a frontal crash is intended to confine damage to the bow.

You can mock the chinks because they were stupid enough to do this but claiming the outcome after impact wasn't ideal just shows your ignorance.

>>64119147 (OP)
Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

>>64119396
>Everybody on board gets thrown forward at the speed they were going
Pretty sure they got bounced good, in spite of your gymnastics.

>>64119705
Bounced good VS moving into a bulkhead at 30knots is a very different scenario.
What is your dumb fucking post even trying to say? That because some movement happens nothing should be done unless it is perfect?

>>64119676
Don't worry the Chinese ships are being towed outside the environment

>>64119754
Into another environment?

>>64119751
No u.

>>64119147 (OP)
Most ships won't do well when coming into contact with something solid, they're made for going through non-solids like air and water. Modern naval ships have thin hulls because you can't armor against missiles or torpedoes.

>>64119147 (OP)
Too much heat treatment. Getting the metal super hot and then dunking it in oil makes the metal downright glass-like. High hardness numbers but one big hit and it shatters like glass. Looks good on paper as long as you don't destructively test samples.

>>64119273
is this some kind of elaborate psyop?

>>64120688
>Too much heat treatment.
So what do you do about welds? Can't anneal an entire ship. Maybe go back to rivets?

>>64120694
No, just a wumao spambot. Jannies will clean it up.

>>64119396
I'm more worried about the sharp, jagged angles. It looks like the metal broke rather than bending and that's never a good sign.

>>64120801
You can anneal a weld with 5 minutes and a blowtorch. Thing is, you don't need to. As long as you aren't cooling the weld with water or oil it's not getting tempered.

alright, now someone post the fitzgerald and mccain

>amerigolems projecting
How many crashes needs the best navy to learn?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_submarine_accidents

>>64120878
quenching is hardening heating above eutectic point and followed by rapid cooling

>>64121097
Wumaos seethe. Delicious

>>64121190
rapid being the point, if you cool it slowly it's fine since it can form enough austenite again

>>64119705
They had a good bounce, no doubt but there's a huge difference between stopping in place and stopping over a distance of several meters (I don't know how much of the bow was crushed). The G forces involved are going to be considerably different. Think hard breaking vs hitting a wall with your car.

>>64121057
Unironically impressive from ship design and damage control standpoints. The events of the collisions themselves were embarrassing, but at least not malicious like two ships of the same nation trying to run down another.

>>64119396
Why are you just making shit up? Cars have crumple zones. Ships don't, particularly not warships.

>>64121409
Not him
Most ships have a lot of 'sacrificial' compartments that wouldn't compromise buoyancy or critical equipment.
>and that is ignoring torpedo bulges, or the space between the hull and bulkhead.

>>64121435
All-or-nothing is not really a crumple zone in that ships, outside of icebreakers, have not been designed intentionally for collision for some time. All-or-nothing was to use less steel if it wasn't needed.
Ships with hardened bows/rams did work but I could not imagine it feels good for the crew, even in slower speeds. Plus the rigidity of old armor schemes could put stress down the length of the hull if enough force is applied.

>>64121409
I never mentioned crumple zones

>>64121502
>ships, outside of icebreakers, have not been designed intentionally for collision for some time.
The vast majority of ships are built with collision bulkheads because accidents happen, you fucking retard.

memes and seething wumaos aside it was the peoples liberation army navy that were at fault. the peoples liberation army coast guard ship are getting thrown under the bus because the peoplees liberation army navy officers are some princeling faggots from top to bottom.

>>64121579
What does the People's liberation army rocket force have to say about this?

>>64121579
I don't know what the floating fuck the PLAN ship was thinking trying to cross in front of both other ships. At best, they would get the Philippine ship to T-bone them (and then maybe the CCG ship would plow into the stern of it). At worst they could have rammed into the side of the CCG ship and THAT would have likely sunk it.

>>64121588
>Looks at ocean
>"So much missile fuel."

>>64121600
kek that and the 3 recent purges.

>>64121409
Cars adapted crumple zones *from* ships.

>>64121579
So, is the PLAN air arm called the People's Liberation Army Naval Aviation?

>>64120810
heh

>>64121600
>*slaps missile*
>you can fit so much H(20) in this badboy

>>64119147 (OP)
Chink here, corruption in China is phenomenal. You think the mess and Putin executing people in Ukraine was bad? This is at least equal.

>>64119147 (OP)
All modern warship are shitboxes.

>>64122436
At least US destroyers have lots of bulkheads and kevlar so you can't threaten one with a .50 cal.

>>64121673

PLANAF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_Air_Force

>>64119147 (OP)
They're training damage control in real world conditions. Brilliant actually.

>>64121409
There's nothing essential inside the bow of warships. It's filled with void spaces, storerooms for miscellaneous junk, and the chain locker for the anchor chain. The entire front of a ship can be blown off and it can still limp thousands of miles back to port. If you had to choose one part of your ship to be "crumpled" you'd definitely choose the bow. Or the underwater torpedo protection if that's an option.

>>64119147 (OP)
It's supposed to do that. Imagine if the front was just as rigid as the rest of the ship and it gets into an impact. Instead of the force being absorbed by the bow the whole length of the ship now takes the full energy of deceleration. What this means is at best everything on board is sent flying forwards including machinery. At worst, the hull snaps in two from the force

>>64123887
Fuck off with your script, shill.

>>64123905
Bitch I'm as American as apple pie and childhood diabetes, it's fucking hilarious the chinks rammed themselves trying to bully flips right off the Filipino coast. Doesn't change the fact that's how ships are supposed to work. Frankly I wish the chinks had your mindset, that every part needs to be perfectly rigid, then that ship would've snapped like a twig and there'd be a lot more dead bugs

>>64122012
And yet Putin will get both Ukraine and Alaska.

>>64121435
One of my favorite battleship new jersey episodes

>>64124351
>wow that aged well

>>64119676
Well, how is it un-typical?

>>64122478
>kevlar
Isn't the navy specifically using a ballistic fiber that is not kevlar? IIRC kevlar release toxic fumes when burning so the navy ships have something else (or a very specific type of kevlar that dont release toxic fumes when burning).

>>64119147 (OP)
desu
thats not a lot of damage considering it straight on T boned a 7500 ton destroyer at 25 knots
the destroyer had a couple scratches

>>64128354
the destroyer had a massive hole in it's bow, anon.
>b-but that black part is not a hole
i know, the hole is inside the black part.

>>64119147 (OP)
The Type 052D that got t-boned only got few scratches. Compare that with the Arleigh Burke that got t-boned few years back

>>64128384
Damn, what hit the US ship?

>>64128384
>>64128354
>chinkshill gets reminded in his thread that chinks are so incompetent they ram their own coast ships
>instantly goes to the mocking thread to cope and pretend there's some sort of victory in it for china
the destroyer has a massive hole in it's bow, you retarded sliteye.

>>64119147 (OP)
damn, chink pussy is more durable then their literal warships. I have put literal miles worth of cock up that sideways slit and it's always begging for more.
but their ships can't take a single ramming.

/k/ would it be a good idea for the PLAN to make their next ships out of chink vagina? it seems to be a more durable material than their "steel". Not to mention that the stench would be a far greater weapon than all of their nuclear arsenal combined.

>>64129094
Vagina is famously the one thing China has the biggest shortage of.

>>64129094
Sadly the chinks have a massive shortage of pussy thanks to one child making everyone want a son. Currently their pussy infrastructure is barely enough to keep the nation functioning if even, to try to expand into naval pussy would be disastrous

>>64119147 (OP)
ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN THESE THREADS IS THAT THE PEOPLES LIBERATION ARMY NAVY IS FULL OF FUCKING PRINCELING FAGGOTS AND THE PEOPLES LIBERATION ARMY COAST GUARD ARE THE REAL WORK HORSES FILLED WITH GOOD MEN THAT ANY WUMAO SITTING IN THEIR PHONE FARM HAVE NEVER SEEN A BODY OF WATER.

>>64119396
In the course of a routine, highly professional maritime maneuver to ensure the safety and sovereignty of our territorial waters, one of our vessels engaged in close-proximity operational coordination with another friendly unit.

During this maneuver, localized hydrodynamic forces and unforeseen navigational convergence contributed to what can best be described as a controlled contact incident.

As a result of this controlled contact, minor deformation was observed at the bow of one vessel, which in no way compromised its seaworthiness or the overall operational effectiveness of the fleet.

It is important to emphasize that this was not a collision in the Western sense of the term, but rather an example of the close coordination and high-tempo activity required to maintain the People’s maritime rights.

Repairs are already underway, morale remains high, and the incident has provided valuable lessons that will further improve our world-class seamanship.

>>64119758
It's a secondary environment, away from the primary environment.

Collisions are funny and embarrassing, of course, but not exactly uncommon
I think mutts should be a little more modest in this thread, as befits a nation with no shipyards

>>64132157
sez u

I remember when ship collisions were based and tradpilled, none of this "nothing sank" bullshit

>>64130804
how is the chinese bussy substitute program going?

>>64119147 (OP)
Oof it’s not looking good for globocommie, just imagine what an lrasm can do to the rest of their rust buckets.

Why are British ships so brittle?

Does it just come down to materials?

>>64132923
Progressing at an acceptable rate, they should be equivalent to Brazil by 2035 and equal to Thailand by 2050 assuming they don't make any major breakthroughs anytime soon. Sadly, currently they're wholly reliant on Thai expertise which given their actions in the SLC may jeopardize their bussy development program much like how the Sino-Soviet split stunted their arms development

>>64132931
So modern day chinesium ships are the equal of British ships from two centuries ago? Here I was thinking that the West was only 20-30 years ahead.

>>64132931
>stop making fun of us for ramming our ships together while bullying a fishing boat, don’t you know Britain had an accident over a century ago!
China shills really need to have their pay cut.

>>64119396
well well, someone who actually knows some stuff in /k/

>>64132961
Plastic ships are the future

>>64132931
Damn, what did she hit? Was it similar in size to the coast guard ship?
>RMS Olympic
lmao

>>64132974
I don't know if commercial ship design is the way the military wants to be building their ships...well, anyone but the chinese that is given the way they are always trumpeting their commercial ship production numbers.