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Anonymous No.64120056 >>64120631 >>64121454 >>64122874 >>64123101 >>64123178 >>64123331 >>64123333
superior to rails in every way
Anonymous No.64120631 >>64120716 >>64121478
>>64120056 (OP)
What is?
Anonymous No.64120654 >>64120716
>i dont like how rails look so that means drilling and tapping is beter
>posts a stock image
Anonymous No.64120716 >>64120728 >>64121403
>>64120631
>>64120654
it's not drilled and tapped. it's a red dot plate attached to the dovetail slot for the rear sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRSPSKERZqA
Anonymous No.64120728 >>64120745 >>64120759
>>64120716
Ok. How is this better than rails? It's more work to go through for nearly the same outcome.
Anonymous No.64120745 >>64120759
>>64120728
exactly. it just makes the red dot lower, from what I saw.
op doesn't know what zero'ing is, i guess.
Anonymous No.64120759
>>64120745
do you not own a gun or a red dot? you zero the red dot in with the dials or screws on top of the red dot
>>64120728
mounts lower and forward and isn't heavy or ugly like rails so you don't have a gay ass chin weld. Do you not own guns?
Anonymous No.64121403 >>64121418 >>64121441
>>64120716
that's neat. too bad they don't ship outside the US
Anonymous No.64121418 >>64121424
>>64121403
why would they ship to third world countries?
Anonymous No.64121419 >>64121433 >>64123096
It's nice to have options, but I don't think this is objectively better than a rail. I have a 10/22 with totally stripped upper receiver holes so I had to keep it without any kind of sights and this actually would be a solution to that very specific problem.
>Only problem is I have a Faxon barrel on it that doesn't have the rear sight cut
Anonymous No.64121424 >>64121433 >>64121436
>>64121418
It's hard to do business if you don't ship, at the very least, in your own country.
Anonymous No.64121433 >>64121453
>>64121424
the US is a first world country, in fact, the US is the only first world country in the world
>>64121419
it sits lower which is nice, farther forward too and if you walk with the receiver in your hand the sight no longer gets in the way
Anonymous No.64121436
>>64121424
Anonymous No.64121441
>>64121403
SEXO
Anonymous No.64121453
>>64121433
I'm sure
Anonymous No.64121454 >>64121469 >>64121474
>>64120056 (OP)
>I'd like to remove my optic and put the iron sights back on
>have to drift out a dovetail
>beat it with a punch or
>use the standalone tool for this specific job or
>pay a gunsmith
It's objectively shit. It's the stupidest thing that has ever been invented hands down, undeniably, unequivocally, and irreparably. Anyone who buys this doesn't actually own guns, have never shot one, has never had a gf, got molested by his dad, and failed 3rd grade. I can't imagine a single person dumber than OP for wanting one.
Anonymous No.64121469 >>64122800
>>64121454
You are fucking retarded.
I design optic mounts to replace iron sights on CAD as a hobby.

Slapping a bespoke red dot adapter that lowers the optic to irons height without rails is fucking cool and if you're too fucking stupid to know how to drift a sight from a dovetail then you shouldn't be allowed to drive a car, vote, and should be drafted into the us military immediately.
Anonymous No.64121474 >>64122800
>>64121454
>drifting out a dovetail is hard
you must be a no gunz and a no dad
Anonymous No.64121478
>>64120631
A tripod for an old videotape recorder
Anonymous No.64121913 >>64122010 >>64123107 >>64126085
I have a Nodak Spud rail and front sight. I just like that they are the best made on the planet but nobody has heard of them and they go "Nodak Spud??"
Anonymous No.64122010 >>64122030
>>64121913
Only retro cloners know about nodakspud but they haven't even really existed in like six years
Anonymous No.64122030
>>64122010
Now he makes blatantly incorrect clone ars, very sad
Anonymous No.64122036 >>64122045
>gay ass chin weld
>on a traditional stock rifle

this is a rage bait thread.
Anonymous No.64122045
>>64122036
this gives you less of a chinweld on a 10/22 than a rail would, retardo
Anonymous No.64122800 >>64122807 >>64124205 >>64126020
>>64121474
>>64121469
>n... no u
Cowards. Fools. FOOLISH MORONS. BIG DUMB BUTT SHITTERS. You are the blackest gorilla retards I have ever seen. You can't refute me. You have to acknowledge how correct I am (completely)
Anonymous No.64122807 >>64122824
>>64122800
I've drifted out a rear sight before, it's very EZ
Anonymous No.64122824 >>64122864
>>64122807
Easier than turning an allen wrench? You have to have a very tight rigid setup to remove things from dovetails. Not near as easy as "I'll turn this hex key until it comes off"
Anonymous No.64122864 >>64122887
>>64122824
>You have to have a very tight rigid setup to remove things from dovetails.
I've literally drifted out a rear sight on my bed, no gunz no dad.
Anonymous No.64122874 >>64122915 >>64123107
>>64120056 (OP)
That actually seems nice since most 10/22 stocks have a LOP that only fits congolese pygmys, I'll have to look into that for appleseed
Anonymous No.64122887 >>64122915
>>64122864
That must have been some high quality dovetail then, chump.
Anonymous No.64122915
>>64122887
just don't be a bitch
>>64122874
applesneed seethes about optics even though optics are way better than irons
Anonymous No.64123096
>>64121419
There are fixes for that. Either oversized holes + re-thread or get what are more-or-less helicoils inserted. It'll fix it gudenuff. Or buy a $65 receiver from Volquartsen (not sure about shipping + find the cheapest FFL transfer price nearby) and keep the old one as a backup.
https://volquartsen.com/inventory_configurations/7172?clearance=1
Anonymous No.64123101 >>64123127
>>64120056 (OP)
what if it rains
Anonymous No.64123107 >>64126100
>>64121913
Ruger knocked off that rail for their Mini-AC556 10/22 stocks. Also used it on the Anniversary editions. Wonder if Mike sold them the design or what; it was like a year before he sold out to PSA IIRC.

>>64122874
>10/22 LOP is comfy to me
>so is the B-TM despite it being like 0.75" shorter than a 10/22 Sporter
How tall is everyone who says this? I hear that complaint so much but never had an issue.
Anonymous No.64123127
>>64123101
use a closed emitter red dot
Anonymous No.64123155 >>64123158 >>64123159 >>64123229 >>64123251
Actually a red dot might work better for me come squirrel hunting season. I'll never shoot past 25 yards with a 22 and this big fucking scope is kinda overkill.
Anonymous No.64123158
>>64123155
that height over bore
Anonymous No.64123159 >>64123171
>>64123155
why not just have a low scope mount and ditch the cheek riser
Anonymous No.64123171 >>64123229
>>64123159
My brother had a spare and let me borrow it for some plinking
It is very ridiculous
Anonymous No.64123178 >>64123182
>>64120056 (OP)
How is a 10/22 superior to rails in any way?
>need to mount a scope
>JUST GLUE A 10/22 TO IT
Fucking retarded
Anonymous No.64123182
>>64123178
it's mounted to the rear sight dovetail no gunz retard
Anonymous No.64123229 >>64123245 >>64123251
>>64123155
>will never shoot over 25yds with a 22
Huh? I zero at 50yd (range) and often shoot maybe 25-30yd (hunting). Rare shots at 45 & 50 when hunting but I can go further if I feel confident. Shit, I was shooting my 10/22 today at the range minute-of-soda-can @ 100yd and I very rarely shoot past 50 (I'm hoping to do that more, though). But depending on your shooting position/sticks/tripod you may or may not have or how steady you may or may not be in the field I totally understand. And maybe I'm spoiled by scopes (I am) but man I cannot imagine hunting squirrels without zoom. Between leaves, odd angles, only getting bits-and-pieces of squirrels in view, them running up trees, etc., a scope is just so nice.

>>64123171
Only $30 at Cabelas or Bass Pro for some damn nice rings for a 10/22; trust me anon, I have two sets of these (plus a different Leupold set for my AR). I will never sell these rings, too good for the price.
https://www.leupold.com/rifleman-1-in-detachable-medium-matte
Only bad part is re-straightening the damn reticle once you get the new rings on the rail. Also what kind of zoom do you have on that? Variable? I like my 3-9x.
Anonymous No.64123245 >>64123251 >>64123320 >>64123408
>>64123229
I'd never really take a shot at a squirrel past 25. I'm not confident enough and they are... squirrelly. Just too much margin of error when using a 22 on a small moving target at 50yds.
It's a 3-9 by Primary Arms, cheapo at $100 but clear enough and can take the 22 recoil. I'm going to see if it'll last the season, but I do want to try a red dot
Anonymous No.64123251 >>64123354
>>64123229
>>64123245
>>64123155
>I zero at 50yd (range) and often shoot maybe 25-30yd (hunting). Rare shots at 45 & 50
I'm pretty sure standard velocity .22lr is literally flat shooting out to 50 yards with a 50 yard zero. Like I think even at whatever is the peak of the parabola it's still like half an inch high at the most
Anonymous No.64123320
>>64123245
I definitely see where you're coming from. I like closer shots as well, I'm just trying to learn to shoot further distance; max I would really take is like 65yd and I think that's the furthest I went to date (~1.5-2 MOA holdover?). I personally (very!) slowly apply my range practice to hunting over time (months, if not years 5yd at a time!) and I only take shots I'm confident in and would allow quick catching of a squirrel if the shot wasn't ideal (ie. very open woods, no holes, flat, under 75 max). It's taken me years to get to even this point and I'd say it's 50/50 skills and not only pricier but more reliable and accurate equipment (scope that holds zero well, good glass, good gun, good ammo). Learning for me goes from bench shooting to kneeling/kneeling with light hunting tripod (which is a huge crutch) to standing+tripod. Once I'm hitting like 2" standing I know sitting braced against a tree sitting+tripod I'll be able to take a shot like that in the field probably 1.5" + whatever my nerves add. IIRC I "practice" in the field sometimes while watching a squirrel just out of my comfortable range in my scope (I'm trying to keep an eye on it anyways). Safety on, finger off trigger. Hold crosshair on it. How shaky am I? Is this a realistic goal one day?

Also, learning to sneak up on squirrels and sneak into areas and sit is a whole skillset of its own! One upside to taking close shots is often having to sneak up which means you learn how to go from loud to nearly silent as you experiment with different ways of walking. Not shitting on that method at all; it's a great one and will teach you valuable skills relevant to deer and fox/coyote hunting too. I also hunt like that most days, between 25ft and 35yd usually, closer the better. I was just surprised at you saying max 25.

Also, PS: I've thought about using dot + magnifier before FWIW. Haven't tried it yet though.
Anonymous No.64123331 >>64123369 >>64123545
I'm a big fan of 11mm dovetail rails, why are they phasing them out? every rimfire now comes with bulky ass picatinny.

>>64120056 (OP)
even better would be a direct mount from the receiver tapped holes to the RDS footprint
Anonymous No.64123333 >>64123547
>>64120056 (OP)
Things learned from this thread: rails enthusiasts are nogunz
Anonymous No.64123354
>>64123251
I zero at 50 and can shoot down to like 20-25 feet with little to no shift, even on a target as small as a squirrel. Love that zero and scope combo as my scope keeps focus even up close. Fixed parallax at 60yd on that scope works weirdly well. At 100yd with my scope, an 18.5" barrel, and 1280fps ammo it's like 5-7MOA holdover (first big hash below crosshairs plus one or two small; just started practicing again after a break due to being rather busy). Too much for me to keep in mind when hunting. 50, fine, 100, fine at the range (more or less). What about 75? 93? 68? I have no clue! Scope is:
https://www.leupold.com/vx-freedom-3-9x40-rimfire-moa-riflescope
With IIRC the medium rings from earlier (doubt I bought low).

And now that I think of it, 25yd max vs my (claimed) ~50 max comfortable shot when stretching it isn't much different in practice. I'd say an average shot for me is either like 10yds or 25/35yds. Sometimes I find them on tight trails, sometimes I catch them at a medium distance sitting. Varies. But anything further I'd really only take in very specific conditions when I have a lot of experience that season already and I know my skills are sharp, my gun is shooting good, my nerves are very calm, my zoom lets me see well at that range, and I know no matter what I won't lose game. If there's any doubt I won't do it.
Anonymous No.64123369 >>64125177
>>64123331
You are me like 5 years ago. I'm still pissed that I can only find a ton of 22s with either dovetail and good features or picatinny and shit features. I love the look of dovetail but NO ONE will make a good set of fucking rings (IIRC Leupold might not even offer dovetail in 1" tube). On my CZ I'm going to have to buy an EGW 0 MOA clamp on pic rail to adapt dovetail to pic. If stupid-ass ring manufacturers would adopt the air rifle recoil pin stop it'd solve any issues anyone would have with dovetail, but instead we're stuck with whatever retarded market we have now where I'm not happy either way I get my gun. Ironically I bought myself a nice Ruger 10/22 50/50 because semi-weird export model and factory dovetail rail...only to take it off for a modern pic rail. I'm still using dovetail on my other vintage 22s, though, but no one seems to want to make any modern dovetail rings under a brand I'd trust; you have to go to air rifle brands I may or may not have heard of yet and trust people online about its quality. I've pretty much given up and accepted picatinny for my hunting rifles just so I can have known quality rings/scopes, aesthetics be damned. That being said a Scopechief 22 on a vintage (or vintage looking) 22 with dovetail milled into the receiver is just about the sexiest fucking look a 22 can have short of a vintage blued Weaver or a really old 20s/30s long blued steel scope (~18"+?).
Anonymous No.64123408
>>64123245
>and they are... squirrelly.
Forgot this; they're definitely something. You get to learn their body language and learn how much time you have to shoot if they're eating (gnawing, chewing, look around, repeat, learn pattern, make sure he has food left and won't move unexpectedly, shoot when clear) but otherwise it's difficult. Sometimes they'll freeze up randomly watching for danger from above. Sometimes they'll freeze when they spot you and aren't sure what to do yet. Sometimes they randomly run. Sometimes they play (even by themselves; 1 year and under they especially randomly jump and spazz out for fun but they do this probably into their second year and rarely later, often weather dependent). Sometimes another squirrel comes out of nowhere and their reaction can be anything from a small scare and mild movement to jumping far far away or climbing/running around fighting. And other squirrels may be just out of sight. You never know.
Anonymous No.64123545
>>64123331
>I'm a big fan of 11mm dovetail rails, why are they phasing them out? every rimfire now comes with bulky ass picatinny.
probably compatibility. the only "good" thing about pic rails on something other than like an AR is that they work with basically every optic
Anonymous No.64123547
>>64123333
yeah, it's crazy they don't know about sight dovetails
Anonymous No.64124205
>>64122800
damn I guess you fuckin got me anon, shit, nobody can trump blackest gorilla nigger.
Anonymous No.64125177 >>64126657 >>64126661
>>64123369
these mounts are quality, they are US made and "self-centering"
https://www.bkltech.com/default.asp
Anonymous No.64126020
>>64122800
>t. no dad
Anonymous No.64126085
>>64121913
DIdnt PiSsA buy them out?
Anonymous No.64126100 >>64126674
>>64123107
Is this the same rail? Looks like ruger knocked it off for this 1022 too
Anonymous No.64126657
>>64125177
It's not really the centering I worry about, it's the small amount of surface area they they always seem to clamp with. The adapter runs across the whole rail, therefore it won't slip (thinking back on it, my el cheapo UTG dovetail to pic didn't either). The air rifle world got smart long ago and started putting in stop pins/holes to prevent movement of the rings much like picatinny slots. Note the pin in this thing; it goes in a hole on the gun. Actually, that CZ I'm looking at has what looks like stop pin dimples in the top too.
Anonymous No.64126661
>>64125177
CZ receiver. Note dimples.
Anonymous No.64126674
>>64126100
Yeah pretty much. Not sure about the one on that or the anniversary one but Samson sells one very similar for use with the B-TM. No way they didn't get some inspiration. God damn expensive though but it makes the B-TM stock look fucking slick. Like $400 into buying shit for your 10/22 you'll finally complete it lol. Let's say $450 with a Magpul sling.
https://www.samson-mfg.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=04-04082-01