Thread 64120550

https://drukarnia.com.ua/articles/intervyu-z-andriyem-kobzarem-dosvidchenim-artileristom-i-komandirom-rozrakhunku-panzerhaubitze-2000-OULoB

You can use the edge translator or something similar. Very interesting article.
He debunks a lot of the Polish propaganda we had to endure here and on twitter in 2022 and 2023.

>polish propaganda
Hello Dennis. Kill yourself

>>64120564
>abloo abloo
Thank you for your very enlightening contribution

>Currently, the 2S7 Pion crews are firing American 203-mm shells, using Soviet cap-type charges, because the Americans did not provide them. But the devil is in the details - American shells are howitzers, not cannons. Soviet shells are designed for a much higher pressure of powder gases. Accordingly, they are thin-walled, and when fired with a full charge, there is a high probability that the shell will simply burst in the barrel of the gun. That is why American 203-mm shells are fired with reduced charges at short distances.
>jury rigging artillery shells
Also where's the debunking? He only says Pzh is better.

>>64120946
The PiS brigade talked a lot of nonsense like:
-PzH 2000 too complex and unreliable
-PzH 2000 badly protected
His reports contradict those rumors.

>>64120550 (OP)
>Well, let me tell you this: I didn't climb into the AS-90, I didn't climb into the M109 during the BD, but these are simpler machines. The only machine of a similar class that I have climbed into is the AHS Krab. I saw it, and I want to tell you right away: it is an unfinished, ill-conceived, and very crude machine. The Poles have been “tinkering” with it for 20 years and still haven't finished it. It has a chaotically arranged combat compartment and thin armor. It's a failure.
Who would have guessed. Poles consider shilling their own gear and denigrating german gear a national duty. Truthfulness, humility or integrity they consider a hindrance.
>>64120982
For all I heard, the PZH is in fact complex and not reliable in some ways (that can be worked around). Doesn't mean it doesn't also have some great qualities.

>>64120550 (OP)
>He debunks a lot of the Polish propaganda
Uh uh, last 3 times I saw that it turned out to be an already fervently anti-Polish nationalist. Totally an unbiased source.

>>64120982
>>64121056
It was, then it got fixed like actual weapons systems when flaws are discovered. Begone divisionist shill.

>>64121056
Ok did it have the armor kit as well? There is an armor kit and an ERA mounting thingy built for it.

>>64120550 (OP)
>drukarnia
I read that as Drukhari at first

>>64121339
It was claimed the the auto load in the PzH2000 was way more complex than the one in the Krab and therefore far less reliable.
That was NEVER true.
Both mechanism can be seen on yt and it's evident the one in the Pzh2000 is much simpler.

>>64121370
Drukhari dont really field artillery, they are a raiding force.

>>64121525
In what world does the Krab have an autoloader?

>>64120982
Nobody cares what the karakan said.
It was obvious that PzH was a good system, the problem with krauts is that they have very good stuff, but also they have very little of it. Same applied to Gepards and IRIS-Ts.

>>64120550 (OP)
>vehicle I used every day good
>vehicle I only saw once bad
He made a fair point about Oryx loss data, but Ukies were using dozens of Krabs before the first PZH reached frontlines. They still had only like 6 units last year.

>>64121525
Nice try, there is no autoloader in Krab.

>>64120982
They talked a lot of dumb shit but mostly as interior propaganda, on /k/ the bulk of those threads were classic d&c shilling, with the occasional useful idiot chiming in

>>64121625
>>64121722
they were probably talking about the rammer:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9kC386VlwRQ
Or they they believe in this Polish myth that SK will allow technology transfer to Poland for the K2 and K9 and that the Krab will receive the autoloader from the K9.
Or they thought that the K9 and Krab are identical, even though they only share the hull and maybe some other components.
WHO KNOWS?!?

>>64121662
Only one PzH destroyed and one damaged in all this time. PzH is literally best artillery system

>>64122021
I mean, the K9 doesnt have an autoloader either, just a three-round burst function/ready rack thingy (well the A2 will have one in the future, but still...)

>>64120550 (OP)
>Helo guys. Today we are going to be tallking about self-propelled howitzers. I have here French Caesar, Polish Krab and German Panzerhaubitze zweitausend. We have target over there, Donbas orphanage. We will see what 155 mm does to concrete structure and target inside. But first, let's go over the history of these systems.

>>64121525
>That was NEVER true.
You've never laid eyes on either, have you?

So is this a butthurt g*rmoid thread or a division-sowing zigger false flag thread?

>>64122418
Love this guy. Hope he reviews the as val someday

>>64120550 (OP)
>>64120954
>>64120982
PZH 2000 is piece of unfixable dogshit and there is a reason why Ukraine only bought Krab

>>64123847
Given east germany and it's consequences, why not both?

i'd rather have 50 krabs than 5 pzh 2000s

>>64123862
He did. It had an elcan on it.

>>64124140
I’d rather have 1 pzh 2000 than a 100 krabs