Thread 64124269

>Here is your polymer 9mm, bro. That will be $1600 plus tax.
Why has HK lowered the price on all their handguns but the USP and Mark 23?

>>64124269 (OP)
Because you're poor and they hate you.
Unlike picrel

>>64124285
B-bu-but it's hammer fired! And it's got a man-manual safety!

>>64124269 (OP)
>buying a USP in faggot lol9mm instead of .45acp or 10mm
If you want a cheap ass 9mm, just buy a Glawk Fohty from Jamal in O Block. Comes with a free extendo and switch.

>>64124332
They don't make a 10mm USP because HK hates civilians.

>>64124269 (OP)
>get overbuilt expensive tank
>get it in an anemic round
At least get nuclear .40 s&w or .45 super loads

>>64124384
>>get overbuilt expensive tank

Does it actually feel overbuilt in-hand? The plastic doesn't look any thicker than a Glock or CZ and it still has four tiny rails holding the slide on.

Also what is the ideal form, the Tactical in .45?

>>64124568
Idk ive never held a USP, or any HK for that matter im poor

>>64124332
>everything i know about american blacks i know from greentext stories on 4chan

Ironic that the cz rami is dead but this hunk of shit is still being produced.

>>64124269 (OP)
Because it was in movies. Simple as.

I'm surprised P30Ls arent more expensive

>>64124679
>CZ JAMI

>>64124269 (OP)
They're not produced in high numbers, they are not really widely in service anymore, and they don't sell in the civilian market because there's not a huge audience that wants a non-picatinny, DA/SA or LEM hammer-fired polymer framed full size handgun with comparatively low capacity. If someone wants a USP, they're going to go and buy a USP and fork over however much HK+LGS is listing them for because they want a USP and are not penny pinching and looking to min/max whatever handgun they want to purchase. They're a niche, foreign, product, of course it's going to be expensive. Deal with it or find another gun.
t. anon who's been carrying a USP45 V7 AIWB daily for 4 years now because I'm retarded and emotionally attached to the USP.

>>64124782
Wildly overblown. Mine had four FTFs this last year, with regular shooting.

>>64124782
It's still better than anything hk ever made and it's a sub compact.

>>64124793
>Better than anything HK made
Lol wut?
>its sub compact
-ish
It's an overrated collectors pistol. I don't understand the CZ fanboyism now that they're no longer cheap. They've mixed in shitty parts with every batch of guns forever (oops there goes that pin, this spring, slide stop, etc). Sig did this and everyone hates them.

i have a mk23 and usp

>>64124852
How does the Mk 23 grip feel compared to the USP? I heard they’re the same but I don’t know for sure.

>>64124792
4 FTF? That's bad. How many rounds do you mean by "regular shooting"?

>>64124880
Like 100-250 rounds most weekends. Usually Norma training rounds.
I think the RAMIs needed to be broken in but CZ either never realized it or advertised it, so everybody got into a bitch fit when the guns didn’t work smoothly and its reputation was ruined.
Maybe I just have a really good one but it just werks.

>>64124816
It's not overrated at all. It shoots flatter than your comped match expert edition tupperware.

I have a P8A1 it just works and if u think any cz is better you're a faggot hipster who jerks off to trannies who would never want to fuck you

>>64124285
At least the HK isn't known for randomly jamming.

>>64124766
They are, I got mine like 16 years ago for $400

>>64124923
The boomer spike (beavertail) harms its viability as a carry pistol, czechs shit them out with random issues, and the recoil differences are negligible

It's discontinued for a reason. It was a good concept, but they executed it poorly.

Sadly the P2000SK is also discontinued because HK would rather sell P30s

>>64124305
Which is more reliable than striker fire. You glocktards just WANT the cheapest possible thing then wonder why it's so unreliable. Plastic is a cheap out, striker fire is a cheap out. They don't make it better, they objectively make it worse. This piece of shit is jamming in shooting videos left and right, the majority of real shooting videos involving a Glock have at least one jam now. You cannot trust your life to this trash. It's a wonder it's even still being taken seriously, they need to be given the Sig treatment and avoided like the plague.

>>64124269 (OP)
>>64124285
Glock gen 2 is so sexy bros...

usp45t with a can
as god intended

>>64124973
>Police departments OKd by courts to discriminate against applicants who are "too intelligent"
>suddenly police are a bunch of aggro tards who can't shoot
I've never had reliability problems with glocks but I actually know to hold a gun

What I have had is plastic pistols developing increased slide play over time.

>>64124982
The original grips/stippling is kino

>>64124956
About as much as glock is.

>>64124973
This is either a troll or a semi-retard.
Polymer framed handguns are fine.
Glocks are fine.
Hammer fired guns are fine.
Pick what you want and live with it. For many, it's a Glock.

>64125072
Kys for posting this image

>>64124865
the width and height are nearly identical but the length is a little bit more on the mk23, like by a couple millimeters

>>64124269 (OP)
>but the USP and Mark 23
because those are the only 2 good HK pistols.

>>64124285
>>64124982
Can I just point out that both of those Glocks already have the "pignose"?

>>64124982
Glock has that sleazy 80s kino
>Tfw Gaston Glock used to take potential buyers to a strip club

where does the walther p99 fit into all this

>>64125256
Oh it's gets better, the Glock 20 is the only gun that I know of to be advertised by a stripper
>The Glock delegation settled on a performer in her early twenties: Sharon Dillon, a blond, full-breasted, and strikingly tall young woman. When Walter asked Dillon if she would be willing to promote Glock in Las Vegas, she agreed. Next, he asked permission of the management of the Gold Club; the club was in no position to displease one of its steadiest corporate customers.
>Walter told Dillon that she would have to go through a standard Glock four-day training. "We didn't want to send someone stupid to the show," he said. So the buxom stripper attended a program alongside personnel from the Defense De-partment and several federal agencies and police departments. Dillon's presence in the Glock classes and on the company fir-ing range caused a significant stir, to be sure. "The guys came in and asked, 'Who is this girl?"" Walter recounted. He didn't want to tell federal agents and police SWAT specialists they were training with an erotic dancer. So he didn't. "I can't tell you," Walter said. "They all thought she was with the CIA."
>"To everyone's surprise, she was the top shooter in this class and was the only one who finished all written tests 100 per-cent," Walter recalled. "She was... no dummy."
>To heighten anticipation and draw maximum attention to the new Glock 20 ten-millimeter pistol, Walter had Dillon pose for a photographer and created an enormous billboard on the highway from the Las Vegas airport to the downtown Strip, featuring her comely image. Convention attendees were greeted by Dillon's dazzling smile and head-turning figure, with the slogan: "THE HOTTEST '10' IN TOWN. See the new Glock 10mm at the Shot Show (booth 1200)."

>>64125278
Holy shit, the Glock marketing team is more based than I thought.

>>64124790
>a niche, foreign, product, of course it's going to be
Based stroke-having anon

>>64125278
Wow. Based as FUCK. I hope she settled down one day and lived a more stable life because she sounded like a nice gal kek

>>64124269 (OP)
Because they know brain damaged kochsuckers will pay it.

I actually don't understand the point of a USP that isn't chambered in .45 ACP. I love my USP because it's big enough for my hands and I can shoot the hot stuff with it. I don't think I'd enjoy it nearly as much otherwise though.

>>64126423
It was designed originally to be capable and chambered for .40 S&W, but obviously .45 as well (given HK's history with the cartridge and the related Mk 23)

I like the idea of a mk23 for being this buy it and run it for the rest of your life cause it's a tank type thing, complete mechanical trust, but then you shoot it and it's a brick.

>>64124568
I have a P2000 and it feels better than a glock, but a glock is pretty good. Its not so much about how it feels (though it does feel better) but by how long does it feel good after shooting tons and tons of ammo through it

>>64126510
These are better

>>64126510
It’s really not that bad unless you’re a manlet to begin with

>>64126542
No they aren’t it’s a categorical downgrade for handlets, -2 capacity for finger groovez. And doesn’t even have the dual recoil spring.

For the same reason a 1911 still costs over 1000$ despite being a 100 year old design : people are willing to pay that much for it.

>>64126610
Yeah but a USP .45 is better than the 1911, less recoil, higher capacity and lighter weight.

>>64124269 (OP)
Idk what you're talking about I got mine for 770, night sights and three mags. Getting a holster was a pain however

>>64124269 (OP)
If you're going to do it, get a 40 one since you can get a 9mm conversion barrel for like 200 bucks vs an entire upper for like 700

>>64126616
So does any generic plastic gun for half the price of a USP. The only reason USPs are expensive is because of pop culture and you know it.

>>64125266
Right before the P100.

>>64126595
>categorical downgrade for handlets
??
Not sure what you mean there. Its grip is far better and easier for small/med hands than USP
Recoil spring, those can be swapped out
None of what you mentioned, is even worth mentioning

>>64124971
>P2000SK
Can still be found on pre-owned market, frequently in unused/uncarried condition
I always wanted a 9 mm one
Great subcompact imho one of the best ever (from HK or anyone)

>>64124793
>>64124816
No doubt the CZ is a fine pistol but it's heavy (if you like that sort of thing to each their own). But the P2000SK is just better, period.

>>64127782
The USP is like G19 sized it's tiny

>>64126542
If Jurassic Park II was a handgun

>>64124852
Torn between either one of those two or the HK45

>>64130668
>If Jurassic Park II was a handgun
Fucking hell.

>>64124269 (OP)
Why anyone would get a 9mm USP is beyond me. Sure, it was originally made for .40, but we all know it’s true gender is .45 ACP.

The USP45s are actually slightly larger than the 9mm/.40 ones too. I love my limited edition grey frame USP45, it’s my personal sidearm. I like that even in my dreams, it’s the pistol that’s always there.

>>64124384
Is the .40s&w any good actually? I always hear people shit talking it.

>>64132049
i love it in my USP, but the issue is it doesnt really excel in velocity (see 357 sig) or ft lbs (see 10mm) so for me its just nice to get a beefier handgun round without paying the 357 sig prices.

>>64130668
USP45>HK45
HK45C>USPC

>>64132049
.40 is fine
Wristlets like to bitch about how 'snappy' it is, but desu my first shooting experience at age 12 included probably 400 rounds of .40 fired through a Beretta 96 and Taurus Millenium.
That being said it doesn't really offer a massive advantage over 9mm aside from arguably better barrier penetration, and it is more expensive. But if you find a gun you like at a good price because it's chambered in .40 (Like a USP) don't hesitate to buy it just because of the caliber.

>>64132063
>>64132095
Thanks anons. I've seen some tests on yt and seemed to me it's just fine caliber. Nothing really special about it but the constant bitching got me curious. I would like to get the USP in .40 once I find one nearby. For hobby shooting and maybe cc it should be alright.

>>64132148
I carry a Glock 27 from time to time. Certainly don't feel poorly armed with it.

>>64132049
>>64132095
>>64132148
.40 S&W is a superb cartridge. Make sure you get a gun that was designed from paper to handle it
>HK USP, P2000
>SIG P229, SP2022/SIGPro, P239
>Beretta 8000, Px4
etc.
Yes it has a higher/'faster' recoil impulse hence the 'snap' but it is not a problem and easily adjusted to.
All of the time-wasting "arguments" of relative effectiveness, penetration, "knockdown power" are ridiculous. Handguns and pistol cartridges are far inferior to rifles. 40 S&W and .45 ACP are both more powerful and 'better' than 9 mm but that isn't saying much. Concentrate, focus on shot placement and marksmanship for self defense with handguns.

>>64132074
>USP45>HK45
Nah

>>64132153
>>64132316
Yeah, I am thinking that too. In the end it's still better to have something than nothing and it's almost always about the situation and bullet placement when it comes to self defense. I hate fags who argue about "stopping power" and shit like that all the time. I just wanted some honest normal opinions so thanks for that. USP is sexo gun and it was designed for it so I think I will buy it. The price difference between 9mm and .40S&W is minuscule anyways.

>>64132049
I'd say get the .40 then by the 9mm barrel. 40 is a great round but it fluctuates in price a lot. This way you'll at least have two very common rounds to shoot whenever there's a run on one of them

>>64131972
For me it's either the USP, Beretta 92, or some kind of Glock that always appears in my dreams
Or a magnum revolver

>>64124568
It’s overbuilt as fuck, which is cool. You can get a USP 9 and shoot pissing hot rounds all day. The real problem is it’s an outdated gun so lights/holsters etc are a real pain in the ass. They should release a version with a modern pic rail but HK is too autistic to do that. The subsequent HK pistols look like shit. HK hasn’t been relevant since the 90s. Sorry.

>>64124792
This is a joke right? I haven’t had a ftf with my Glock 19 through thousands of rounds and a recoil spring change.

>>64125072
What’s he holding?

>>64132897
Okay man.

>>64125278
Based stripper with a heart of gold. Maybe those boomer kinos were right

>>64125255
The gen 4 in the op is hard to tell but it looks ok on gen 1 and 2 glocks.

>>64132049
It's okay, it's just in a weird spot. It's a lot snappier and harsher recoiling than 9mm and inferior ballisticly to 10mm.

>>64132095
>>64132316
One of the local shops has had a USP Comp in .40 for ages. I've debated grabbing it, but last time I mentioned it I was told avoid it (Just shy of $700)

>>64124269 (OP)
old thing is produced the old way which is difficult and expensive to do
new thing is more efficient to produce and therefore cheaper

you can't simply make the old thing cheaper just because you will it, they would have to update the entire manufacturing process in order to actually build it cheaper, and redoing all that shit is typically not worth it for something already low production and no future

>>64133254
They've made so much money on existing tooling and long since recooped r&d costs that they should be able to lower the prices significantly despite more general inflationary shit like labor/material going up.