Thread 64126014

Thoughts on the new Bodyguard 2.0?

a good gun
pros
>hi viz sights
>small
>ergos are good
>reliable
>high capacity of .380

cons
>is .380
>safety is super fucking stiff
>base model has u notch rear sight which sucks (performance center models have standard hi viz sights)
>price is $100 too much
>trigger reset is long

>>64126014 (OP)
>take a micro pistol
>extend the barrel so you can comp it
>extend the grip so it fits more bullets
At what level is it no longer a micro and you defeat the entire point

>releasing a compensated model on a fucking recoil-operated .380
>threaded barrel/tall sight option nowhere in sight
>as we enter the golden age of suppressors

>>64126031
>extend the barrel
Is that what OP picrel is, longer barreled one?

Hope that S&W doesn't go the 365 route and 'XL'-have-it-your-way/size up-and-downscale with the new Bodyguard

>>64126031
>At what level is it no longer a micro and you defeat the entire point
I do get what you're saying, but a lot of people with manlet hands are enjoying the large "micro" pistols because they are slimmer than double-stack guns.

(further to my point in 64126517)

What I'm not 'anticipating' but would be curious to see of a S&W spinoff from the Bodyguard 2.0 is (don't even know if it's technically feasible) a .32 ACP version. Not because I have particular interest in it myself, but a rabble minority in /k/ have advocated for more .32 ACP options on the carry market

>>64126014 (OP)
Folks seem to like it, a few saying it's about as good a .380 as you can get right now. Only thing I have to compare it to is the original LCP, and I'm not sure that one's really fair. Do like having proper sights though

Bigger than a hellcat / 10

>>64126667
Happened to contact S&W support back in February about that and at least on the customer service side at that time they said they were unaware of any plans for it. Hard to say exactly how much info that part of the company would have about future development though. I'd probably consider a .32 ACP Bodyguard 2.0 though if for nothing else than the increased capacity over the .380 and to see how it would compare to the compactness of a P-32 along with the other benefits it would have.

>>64126014 (OP)
Waiting for a 2.5 equivalent version that irons out the kinks of the base 2.0 model that may have been partially addressed in the Performance Center version. Somewhat hesitant about the two piece feed ramp as a potential malfunction point and it getting a further improved trigger and factory sights. Also to see if they are going to try putting out a threaded barrel or optics ready version.

>>64126014 (OP)
Too fucking small for my hands.

>>64127067
Bullshit.

Better than a Glock or a Dagger in every way.

>>64126898
Bodyguard 2.0 is 'honey I shrunk the Shield' and they did a damn fine job engineering it.
Most interesting new handgun (any size) of the past decade imho

>>64127063
>Performance Center version
ah I see it is a slightly longer barrel

>>64126014 (OP)
I'd consider it in .30 supercarry.

>>64127081
I think M&Ps and Shields are just as good or better than any comparable Glock (it's all down to trigger preference)
Smith & Wesson's slide finishes have also been improving over past several years as well

>>64127943
Not going to happen in the Bodyguard.
The gun is so micro/tiny that its slide is just barely the optimal minimum thickness for the chambering
Only thing that might ?? happen is a down-chambering to .32 as some enthusiasts have daydreamed about

>>64127953
Bummer. I guess the EZ+ is concealable enough anyway, I just wish the barrel was longer.

>>64126104
what does any of that mean

>>64127953
Correct, .30 Supercarry having 50k PSI rather than 38-41k makes making a gun chambered in it such a challenge because people want it in compact guns, and the round was designed for thick duty guns.

>>64126031
honestly who cares about barrel length it's probably going down the side of your leg anyway

>>64126924
its not
dont let the proportions fool you, it's tiny

>>64126027
>safety is super fucking stiff
mine is only somewhat stiff to engage the safety. Taking it off is super easy on mine.

>>64130609
mine is a bit stiff but not hard to engage/disengage
it was real stiff before wearing it in some, if he tried it fresh at the gunstore I understand him thinking its too stiff

>>64130608
sorry wrong hellcat

>>64130621
just another thing people act like is a big deal when in reality it will all get broken in eventually. It's like dorks complaining about AK safeties being too tight or something when real niggaz just bend that shit.

>>64126014 (OP)
Would've preferred it in .32 ACP. .32 is peak pocket pistol

>>64126014 (OP)
I'm gonna say it guys. I just don't like the look. Same with the 5.7 m&p. The grip is too long and rounded compared to how small the slide is.
I wish we would go back to the shorter grips of wee pistols of yesteryear. Pinky hangers. Ring finger barely on there. Grip length, not barrel length is a way bigger deal for concealablity. I know the longer grip makes it a better shooter and increases capacity but I just don't care, it looks doofy.
Heck, even the base 356 looks good proportion wise, even with the longer grip, the silhouette is still dominated by the slide.
But not too dominated like the mako or a Springfield with their skyscraper slides. Also with the mp 5.7 and to a lesser degree the new bodyguard and I think the new mako too, the triggerguard is this lame looking soft round design. I don't care it looks lame I want it to look cool.

>>64127026
Why would you want .32 ACP when .30 SC exists? Yeah, it's sort of a meme cartridge, but it's not like .32 has been a mainstream cartridge for self defense in the last 50+ years.

>>64126014 (OP)
What's a good street price on one of these? The only thing I don't like about it is the glonk trigger. If that can be replaced with a real trigger and a real safety I'll be much more interested. For an EDC, I don't want any other aftermarket addons.

> butbutbut it's *only* .380
I'm real good with that. For Reasons.

>>64126924
Except its not?

>>64131336
I have fuckhuge meatpaws for hands. If anything, I want a slightly larger trigger guard so I can handle it in winter with gloves on.

>>64131264
>>64131379
>.32 ACP
I understand, get it why people enjoy and like this round.
My concern with it, particularly in a modern stacked-magazine pistol, would be its reliability. Cycling, for a carry self defense handgun

>.30 SC
see 1. >>64127953
and 2. >>64130531
You need the Shield for a small gun that can handle it (Bodyguard 2.0 is too tiny / thin slide)

>>64126031
It's barrel length is only a few millimeters longer. It's hardly noticeable
>extend the grip so it fits more bullets
Lying faggot or genuine retard. The comp version has the same capacity and grip length as the regular 2.0
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/smith-wesson-bodyguard-2-0-vs-smith-wesson-bodyguard-2-0-carry-comp

>>64126014 (OP)
I probably should have gotten it but the regular bodyguard 2.0 has light enough recoil that I hardly see why it would need an upgrade. Maybe I'll change my tune when I fire the comp version

>>64126014 (OP)
I'm not a handgun kind of guy (only have a 22lr Bersa) but these Bodyguard handguns seem pretty nice, I don't know how I feel about the comp on that particular model but the hefty grip looks comfy af. I don't hear stories of people discharging their bodyguard into their leg while holstered so.

>>64131394
400 is the max you should pay for these new. Haven't found any lower than that
>>64126898
>few saying it's about as good a .380 as you can get right now
Agreed. For such a tiny gun the recoil feels like I'm shooting an .22

>>64131394
>What's a good street price on one of these?

>>64132254
.30 SC has the same bolt thrust as 9mm. Barrel strength wouldn't be an issue, it would be nearly a millimeter thicker than .380.

>>64136162
Whole firearm needs thicker more robust metal, slide walls/rails
Not going to work, the SC cartridge has greater recoil magnitude and impulse
Only the Shield works

>"bolt thrust"
(You) dk what yr posting about

>>64126014 (OP)
It seems ok as a compact and light carry pistol.

>>64136402
Bolt thrust is a real thing.

>>64136424
>'i-it was real in my mind'

>>64136402
.30 SC has comparable recoil magnitude to .380, and the portion of that coming from the gas jet effect at the muzzle is not acting against the slide.

>>64136430
I'm not him, and I'm not arguing whether or not .30SC is viable for this pistol, I'm only chiming to say that bolt thrust is in fact a real thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_thrust
>Bolt thrust or breech pressure is a term used in internal ballistics and firearms (whether small arms or artillery) that describes the amount of rearward force exerted by the propellant gases on the bolt or breech of a firearm action or breech when a projectile is fired. The applied force has both magnitude and direction, making it a vector quantity.

Only posting this second part because I think it's interesting.

>Friction effects
>A complicating matter regarding bolt thrust is that a cartridge case expands and deforms under high pressure and starts to "stick" to the chamber. This "friction-effect" can be accounted for with finite elements calculations on a computer, but it is a lot of specialized work and generally not worth the trouble.[2]

>By oiling proof rounds during NATO EPVAT testing procedures, NATO test centers intentionally lower case friction to promote high bolt thrust levels.

>>64136444
It's a bad name/misnomer
It's an impulse force
not a "thrust" (<---word that implies a continuous flow)
Idgaf what wikipedia says and no older firearm publication refers to that mechanic of firearm operation by that name (also look at the 'References' bottom of Wiki, they are scant)
So, Fuck (You)

>>64136470
>It's a bad name/misnomer
No, it's aptly named.
>It's an impulse force
Impulse and force are completely different concepts. Impulse is the rate of change in momentum of an object, while force is any phenomenon that causes an object to change in velocity.
>not a "thrust" (<---word that implies a continuous flow)
It does not imply any such thing. Thrust is the reaction force from expelling a mass, such as the bullet and expanding gasses from a cartridge.
>no older firearm publication refers to that mechanic of firearm operation by that name
Historically, firearm publications have not been known for their scientific rigor.

>>64137043
Wrong.

>>64137144
Which part do you think is wrong?

>>64131394
>What's a good street price on one of these?
I just bought one for $354.98 shipped, tax free of course.

>>64126014 (OP)
They are a lot smaller than I expected. I can just about conceal one in my palm, which is very impressive for a 10-12rd 380 with a locked breech.
>>64126667
I reckon that would either require a lot of redesign to make it blowback, or adjust the lock angles on the slide/barrel so it has enough energy to cycle. Different magazines too. The more they have to change from the existing 380 to offer a 32, the less likely it is to happen.
>>64127026
That doesn't mean anything. CS people are typically the very last to know about an upcoming product.
>>64131394
Tree fiddy. Going rate is 400 and there isn't much margin below that. Dealer cost is probably around 330.
>>64137399
Probably a dropshipper from a distributor.

>>64137399
same
>>64137894
>Probably a dropshipper from a distributor
not that anon but yeah. Got mine from grabagun. Shipped pretty quick, was at my usual FFL 4 days after ordering

>>64137894
>redesign to make it blowback, or adjust the lock angles on the slide/barrel so it has enough energy to cycle
Even if, still think that the magazines and feeding would be the hardest part for .32 ACP

>>64138023
If they are able to do it with just a 32 specific barrel and magazines, but everything else is cross compatible with the standard 380 it may be easy enough to offer the option. Only problem is that it wouldn't be any smaller and I doubt they would get much more magazinep capacity. I reckon they would probably have to redesign the entire gun though, which would make the idea a non starter.

>>64138084
>doubt
This is what I thought would be the main problem: how to get either increased mag capacity (which is the primary reason for it in the first place) or sufficient reliability with the semi-rimmed cartridge which I don't think is achievable.

>>64131379
.32ACP for being less snappy than .380 in a small pistol, more rounds available as well as more or less being naturally subsonic if going for a suppressed version. Would likely run Fiocchi 73 grain FMJ for suitable penetration although there are some newer rounds like the Federal Hydra-Shok Deep that look interesting as well that seem like they perform better for penetration than Federal HST in the smaller calibers while having some expansion compared to FMJ rounds.

The .30SC chamber pressures and velocity wouldn't lend itself in the same way for a Bodyguard 2.0 setup even if it also has the advantage of more rounds available in the magazine compared to .380ACP.

>>64140998
>30 SC
which pistols besides the Shield, are even available chambered in it?

>>64137894
>>64137399
>>64134527
>>64131394
>good street price
Gonna take a look around and maybe be my Christmas present to myself this year. More affordable than I'd hoped, and maybe I can find a used one. I'm a Smittyfag, but my others are too heavy & bulky for EDC, I keep 'em inside the house for the most part. Still not crazy on the trigger, and I'd be investing in .380 (my others are .357 & 9mm), but if I pull the trigger on one (so to speak) I'll shitpost a thread on it here with my thoughts. Thanks for the feedback.

>>64126014 (OP)
Too big, they should make one the size of the original one or smaller. Needs to be a pocket carry gun, who the hell is waistband carrying a .380? Inb4 fatlords saying it fits in muh pockets, yeah because you're a giant blob.

>>64141257
>size of the original or smaller
It's *the* smallest available handgun in a "glock" / M&P polymer frame tilt-Browning action pattern, with a grip that you can still put 3 fingers around.
Any smaller in dimensional size than this, and another type of mechanical design/action/trigger needs to be used.

look on handgunhero to compare the 1.0 and 2.0 Bodyguards in size, along with other tiny .380s (that have different actions, DAO) such as the Ruger, Kel-Tec etc.

>pocket carry
If ? you are doing this without a pocket holster or trigger guard cover, then wouldn't want a striker fired design like this anyway. BG 2.0 can easily be pocket carried with a holster, though you need medium to large size pants pockets. It's light weight and small enough to do so.
This is a different class of pistol added to the tiny-subcompact carry market, no competitor accomplishes what it does.

>>64126014 (OP)
I have tiny manlet hands with a small slim body. Looking at handgunhero, I'd have a full grip on it with almost no extra grip space to spare even without the extended mag. It would conceal on my frame like a subcompact, any larger size of pistol will print with how tiny I am without me overhauling my wardrobe completely. And I dress skimpy in my tropical climate. Pocket carry is out of the question too.

Should I go with .380 instead of 9mm? With xtreme penetrator rounds it sounds like a perfectly decent carry, looking at the ballistic gel tests. But all the advice I get here says to go for 9mm, but that will be already big for me even micro-sized.

>>64141852
Maybe you should just keep pepper spray in your purse

>>64131264
id love it in .32acp

>>64132254
.32acp out of my beretta 81 and my keltec p32 have not giving me any issues. i also only use FMJ in anything smaller than .380

>>64141179
hi point carbine!!!!

>>64141852
.380 is fine, will put a hole in someone real nice.

>>64141861
>beretta 81
ok yeah was going to ask about that (have a BDA .380): How is it to shoot, and the feeding from mags?

>only FMJ
This I guess is where I recall hearing about people having significant feed problems in .32 ACP pistols, even the newer designs like P32. Fancy hollowpoints cause issues

>>64141852
>>64141868
As anon comments itt make clear, the Bodyguard 2.0 is a great choice for small/tiny carry pistol. It's unprecedented really, a handgun this small with so much functional similarity and parallel to larger striker fired polymer frames while able to (almost) be gripped just like a compact or full size pistol.

>>64144286
Why would you want hollow points in .32, anyway? They wouldn't penetrate a t-shirt.

>>64126014 (OP)
I think plastic striker guns suck

>>64144572
Same, all pistols should be 100% metal to maximize capacity, durability and reliability

>muh weight

not an argument

>>64141852
.380 has killed plenty of people. If buying a .380 over a 9mm is the difference between you carrying and you not carrying, buy the .380

>>64144674
>.380 ACP vs 9 mm
people get too obsessed with the caliber wars/comparisons
If it's a good pistol it's a good pistol; get good at shooting it, shot placement

>>64144572
>plastic striker
It's doubtful that an all-metal .380 ACP could be designed or manufactured with the size, weight or mag capacity of it
One of the impressive engineering achievements of the BG 2.0

Would it be viable for pocket carry in terms of it's size and level of safety? Currently carry a Glock 43x on the belt in the 5 o'clock position, which has been my carry preference for the last 14 years. I really want to start tucking my shirt in and dressing nicer, or at least less like a hobo.

>>64141852
>Should I go with .380 instead of 9mm? With xtreme penetrator rounds it sounds like a perfectly decent carry, looking at the ballistic gel tests. But all the advice I get here says to go for 9mm, but that will be already big for me even micro-sized.
.380 is not a bad round; however it has a few caveats that make people wary:

1. The round performs suboptimally out of really short barrels; it's why the round performs super well in the S&W EZ, CZ 83, EAA Girsan, etc but tends to suck at both penetration and expansion with the extremely compact guns that flood the market like the Bersa, PPK, Ruger LCP, and the S&W bodyguard. If you get this round, don't be shooting your attacker in the shoulder like law enforcement did in the 1986 Miami shootout. Hit them right between the eyes.

2. Since the round is inherently weaker than 9mm, lots of weak guns are chambered in it. Look up when Bersa's cast metal slides were blowing up, and you'll see what I mean. Companies that make garbage love anemic rounds like .380 ACP, .32 ACP, .25 ACP, and .22 LR.

>>64145257
Step 1: get a sports jacket or blazer.
Step 2: get a shoulder holster.
Step 3: Rejoice, you can now conceal anything as small as a derringer or as large as an MP5k or Uzi.

>>64144945
You could get exactly the same size and mag capacity by making it out of metal to exactly the same dimensions.

>>64145301
Sorry anon. (You)'re wrong
also who makes a modern all-metal striker fired handgun (any chambering)

>>64145328
How exactly would a gun made out metal magically have more external or less internal volume than one exactly the same size but made out of plastic?

>>64145356
How is it possible to make a .380 ACP striker-fired pistol exactly the same size as the BG 2.0 (of which there's no other same-chambered pistol on the market even near its size or engineering characteristics) entirely out of metal?

We're waiting for (You)r design drawings and engineering calcs

>>64145361
You fill the BG 2.0 molds with metal instead of plastic.

>>64145367
>he thinks made in india Metal Injection Molded frames count as "metal"
this man works for Sig Sauer

>>64145383
>He thinks you couldn't die cast something in exactly the same shape as a BG 2.0
With that said, even MIM is stronger than any injection-molded plastic on a per-volume basis. The shitty MIM parts that are failing are not ones that are otherwise made of plastic, they're ones that would otherwise be milled or forged.

>>64145259
>'weak rounds'
The micropistol / pocket handgun market has been around for a century. Smith & Wesson makes better firearms than Bersa, and Beretta has made pistols in these calibers for a hundred years.
Our contemporary post-1990s metrics for 'handgun lethality', use of semiauto handguns for extended gunfights (shooting hundreds of rounds at a typical range practice session, for example) and self defense have changed a lot.

>>64145393
the stress of (A FUCKING EXPLOSION) that happens when you fire a round tends to cause metal frames to crack but plastic frames to bend and flex when they're the same thickness. Being "stronger" than plastic is a bad thing in this case as you would need to make it "tougher" than plastic instead.

beretta makes a pocket 32acp pistol out of actual forged metal that still cracks even though its thicker than a fucking fist.

but you know that you're just being a retard on the internet

>>64145411
I guess I could inform you about the differences between aluminum and steel and how metal fatigue works, but instead I'll just call you a retard.

>>64145423
You still haven't posted your design anon.

>>64145400
>The pocket handgun market has been around for a century.
I am aware, the M1908 Vest Pocket was a curious little thing. It still performed worse than the M1903.
>Smith & Wesson makes better firearms than Bersa
That is true, which is why I didn't mention the S&W in my second point. >>64145400
>Our contemporary post-1990s metrics for 'handgun lethality'... have changed a lot.
The metrics started after the 1986 Miami shootout. I'm not sure why you brought up "shooting hundreds of rounds" when my first point only mentions expansion and penetration, but look at it this way. The metrics changed because we have more data; the previous metrics were not good enough, and we had to move on. We know now that a hollow point that didn't expand because it was too slow is worth less than an FMJ.

>>64145551
>'I-I'm not sure' / "we have more data"
The FBI event isn't *the only* reason handgun training, usage, deployment and what are sold as semiauto handguns to the current U.S. gun market is so different than it was three or four decades ago. (Yes obviously having additional ballistic/other data is good, and informs everyone about how to more effectively use and deploy handguns not just for self defense, either) And, it's not solely because 'we have more data', it's not even about 'data'.
Training programs for use of semiauto handguns shoot a lot more rounds per year than they did back in the 1980s and more rounds-fired and combat training is recommended by those who today lead competition and handgun-training programs, many of whom (in the United States) currently are veterans of the post-1970s U.S. military deployments particularly contractor or specops units.
There's an entirely different protocol and concept about the use of semiauto handguns than there was a few decades ago (not just because of 'muh FBI '86' 'metrics' or 'muh data'), it's a culture transformation of the firearms community overall.
That is what I meant by our post-1990s metrics for 'handgun lethality' have changed, the use and deployment Philosophy Of Use for semiauto handguns is today much expanded in dimension and number of rounds fired (for police, for military, and for civilians trained in a typical handgun-training or self-defenseprogram today 2025) than there was back in '80s and '90s. All of this together has changed and made more effective the lethality of semiauto handguns (even if the guns themselves haven't changed so much) in the hands of shooters esp. those using the guns for self defense, who are today more 'lethal' and able to use them for effective protection in a more efficient and deadly manner, as a result (than they would have with almost the same pistol, back in the 1990s)

>>64144577
>metal means durable and reliable
You're confusing your aesthetic preferences with engineering

>>64145590
My first comment was about the two reasons some people look down on .380 ACP and now you're just spamming stuff like shooting more/magdumps, spec ops training, deployment philosophy and culture transformation. You can chill with the red herrings; I just wanted to tell OP about something he should consider before he ignores both of us and gets a .380 anyway.

>>64126014 (OP)
I couldn't believe how light it is was, it weighs nothing

>>64145617
(You) kicked it off with the multi-sequence ---- # 64145551 reply, pal.
Yes correct let's stay focused on 2025 handgun market and .380 self defense carry recommendations

>>64145679
I responded to your comment and greentexted what I'm responding to. "No, you're the one doing it" is kind of pathetic. >>64145551 came after >>64145400 which was your first attempt to add a red herring. I wasn't saying, "I'm not sure if we have more data." I was saying, "I'm not sure why you're trying to bring up something completely irrelevant."

>>64145721
>'muh irrelevant'
(You) kicked everything off sperg-bot.
(You) took issue with my mention of "post-1990s metrics" and decided to crusade. Own it.

>>64145726
>my mention of "post-1990s metrics"
Which was meaningless and had nothing to do with anything said in >>64145259. My crusade was just me wondering what the hell you're smoking. Clearly it must have been synthetic bath salts with the sub-85-IQ messages you've posted. I look at both >>64145400 and >>64145590 to see not a single mention of .380, you know what did mention .380? My first comment >>64145259. Glad I could clear that up for you, retard. You can go back to talking about paintball in /xs/, or maybe a water gun thread in /toy/ is more your speed.

And tangential but sticking to the OP topic of .380 ACP, the Bodyguard 2.0 and small/micro carry handguns,
with the introduction of this pistol we have the first micro handgun of this sub-9 mm size class that can conceivably used as a 'gunfight' handgun in the "modern paradigm" (compared to the 1990s-and-earlier when fewer rounds were typically fired in handgun self defense training and field ops) that is a self defense gun of tiny size, that has a grip which can take a 3-finger grasp from small to medium size hands, has a manual of arms identical to its subcompact, compact and full size big brothers in larger chamberings, is capable of dozens of rounds fired in a single engagment along with multiple mag reloads, and a comparable magazine capacity to those bigger pistols as well.

>>64145753
See post immediately below (Your)s.

>>64145766
>"Oh, I wasn't talking about the bodyguard or .380 ACP but I am now. See! See!"
Congrats on joining the rest of us, Anon. It only took you 3 hours and 15+ messages to discover what the topic was about. We're so proud of you.

>>64145762
>'gunfight' handgun in the "modern paradigm"
I'll indulge you. When officers switched from revolvers to double-stack semi-autos, there was a study that showed the average rounds fired (per officer) went up from 6 to 8. Plenty of guns had that amount of ammo when we started mag dumping/raining lead on our target and stopped shooting once, checking to see if he's down and then repeating the process

>>64145797
I have more than half of the 100 posts in this thread.
(You) are a midwit.

>>64145810
No response to the comment you wanted me to look at even after I indulged you. I guess it takes too much mental capacity for a brain-dead retard. It's fine; you can try again later.

>>64145616
He still hasn't answered which manufacturer builds a modern all-metal striker fired handgun

>>64145819
>"nanny nanny pooh poo"
Grow up. Stay off of the internet.

>>64145824
>projecting
Did you ask your mommy and daddy for a comeback and get that as a response?

>>64145822
I am not op but didn’t k*mber? Who cares. Metal frame means hammer fired. Otherwise what’s the point. The striker takes a lot of springs and pins and tolerances and shock forces out of the frame and into the slide. That enables the use if a polymer frame. Not saying exceptions don’t exist tho.

>>64145888
>Who cares
The guy upthread who thinks a 1-for-1 exact scale/size equivalent for the Bodyguard 2.0 can be built entirely out of metal (instead of a polymer frame). idk or care if that was (You)

>>64145911
Oh lmao. Ill look again.
>>64145393
Anon, metal is subject to fatigue, and much higher young’s modulus. So like at the same dimensions, you might wind up with a gun that has all the drawbacks of a metal from gun, but then still cracks because it was unable to elastically deform like plastic would have, and perhaps doesn’t resist fatigue as well (tendency to crack under cyclical stress load cycles). Plastic fatigue by the wya is a thing but is barely understood because it takes a long, long time to show up.

>>64141852
Consider your use case for the weapon. I mean, list out all the conditions that apply to you, personally. This is a gun that is designed to be as close to "invisible" EDC as possible, but puts a fistfull of fuckoff in your hand when you are endangered at close range, like 8 to 15 feet or so. Practice with it, practice, then practice some more. Get your shot placement down under pressure. It will kill the fuck out of someone who is trying to kill you. It's not for brandishing & dick swinging, it's for killing someone else before they can kill you, before they realize you've pulled it out. There are plenty of .380 loads out of a Bodyguard that will save your life in an emergency.

If your use cases are for anything else, reconsider how well it is matched to how you expect to use it. I am considering one of these as a "boot gun," some sort of ankle rig. I will forget I'm wearing it until it is needed, which will (hopefully) be never. But, it's a very cost effective insurance policy I can carry that isn't as visible or bulky as 9 mm or .357 or something like. Ideally, I want it to throw the heaviest bullet possible at just barely subsonic. It's not for sniping, it's for punching hard at punching distances. If it was offered in .32 I'd be looking just as hard at that. I'm kind of relieved it's only offered in .380 so I don't have to fuck around for a year figuring which would have the greater advantage(s).

>>64145985
As said in this and other threads, imho it's the first modern tiny/micro 'gunfight pistol' that (has a manual of arms and ergos similar to larger pistols, and) can be possibly-conceivably relied on and deployed in a gunfight i.e. a self defense situation where you needed to change magazines twice or more, returning fire
(gunfights, of course, being something to *always* avoid and be in a location to not participate in, ever)

>>64146028
Frankly, if I was carrying gun-related to this topic, I would not be carrying any extra mags. It's not a gun I would carry for a "gunfight." It's as said here: >>64145985 Or a second, back-up piece for when I AM carrying a full-sized weapon and two or three spare mags for a "gunfight."

For my home defense, I have a belt to strap on with a 9 mm with 14+1 SJHP in it, plus a 14 (FMJ) mag on the holster, plus two 17 (SJHP) mags on the belt. But, I'll have a .357 wheelgun in my hand for the first six shots. If those haven't solved my problem, I'm just gonna drop the revolver and start working my way through 43 rounds of 9 mm until I'm dead or everyone else is. A .380 would be my third back-up in that case (if I maybe throw it in my pocket as an afterthought) ... or else it's the only thing I'm carrying when I'm not at home.

No matter what else 'has been said,' I'm not packing a .380 if I think I'm in any danger of getting into a "gunfight." I think that's a retarded take, but it's not one that will ever affect me so I don't consider it one way or another if someone else thinks that's somehow a sane way to go through life.

>>64146028
Right understood and agreed, all I'm saying is the BG 2.0 is the first modern tiny-micro pistol (any caliber, not just .380) which could even conceivably serve in that scenario. In a pinch. It's not optimal, or a wise choice

>>64146081
meant for >>64146075
(not sure how that happened)

>>64146081
>>64146091
Cool. Gotch'ya.

As per >>64145985
>Consider your use case for the weapon.
I have mapped out my personal use scenario. The Bodyguard can be used by other people for how they think they want to use it, no skin off my back. My opening play is .357 whenever possible, then whatever else I have on me. And, I really do like everything I'm hearing about the Bodyguard. So much so, in fact, that I'm looking at actually getting another handgun for the first time in over two decades. The only other one that made me think about it was that striper clip one that just came out this year, and I can't even remember what it is right now. Probably the only one I'd evaluate compared to the Bodyguard, and only because it carries with 20+1 and the kino of stripper clip. But I don't realistically think it would compare more favorably than the Bodyguard, whenever I get around to remembering it and comparing them.

>>64126014 (OP)
Feels very good, but is very stiff.

>>64145911
>>64145933
That's not how it works, but the explanation is too complex to explain in a 4chan post, so feel free to stay dunning kruger and chalk yourself up a W without doing any research on the topic.

>>64146107
The gun you're thinking of is the keltec PR-5.7.

>>64145301
It'll just weigh 8 pounds

>>64147240
Yeah but anon that guy's a genius

bumpo

>>64147240
Correct, but they was a response to a post claiming that capacity would go down and size would go up as well. And that poster doubled down on those claims so it's not like I misinterpreted it.

>>64131336
>look
It's not 'perfect' but they did a perfect job of 'honey I shrunk the Shield' imho, given what dimension parameters are physically available. Design and physical dimension-wise I don't think it can be topped, in that it's going to be exceedingly difficult for another manufacturer to make something smaller or competitive in the same chambering without a direct clone (Remember for example back in the day what Ruger did with the P3AT)

>365
No comparison, this thing is an order of magnitude smaller

>longer grip
See above. That's the primary reason for the BG 2.0's success: people perceive it, rightly so, as a tiny/micro handgun they can actually grasp.

>Pinky hangers
That's the point of the Bodyguard 2.0, to make those obsolete. S&W wanted to make the smallest bigger-gun-pattern (in this case, striker fired polymer frame "glock" which is the most widely used today pistol), physically possible and they won.
I mean, sure, for the pinky hanger wee pistol squad perhaps ?? there'll be other future or 'new' designs like that; but with all of the used micro-pocket pistols flooding into pawnshops these days after BG 2.0's introduction it's doubtful any manufacturer is going to find a marketing/financial justification to introduce one.

>>64126014 (OP)
>a CZ83 but american
thats cool
but...people wanted to buy this

>>64149548
CZ 83 weighs almost three times as much, is twice as thick and an inch longer/taller

>>64126014 (OP)
I got my gf to buy one and took it to the range the other week. I soured on it pretty fast. The takedown procedure really rubs me the wrong way, you have to tilt down the ejector. Feels as cheap as it is. Accuracy drops off fast over distance because of the weird shaped rear sight.

>>64126014 (OP)
>pocket carry gun
>ported barrel
it's retarded

>>64152032
You know you don’t actually just shove it in your pocket right? You know that right? Surely you’re not actually that retarded

Come home.

>>64126104
>the golden age of suppressors

mini suppressors are dogshit and suppressors being more available will not change that.

>>64153968
>posts a stock image because he doesn't own one

>>64151815
You’re crazy if you expect such a pocket gun to be “accurate” (meaning easy to aim beyond 15yards). These aren’t meant for that.

>>64144526
idk but a lot of the .32Squad talks about it
I'd say the same for .380 but others itt are claiming there are great non-FMJ choices

>>64146984
>5.7
Yep. And that's why I won't get it. Wouldn't mind renting one for an afternoon to try it out. If they made one in .380 I'd probably be more interested, but I don't have muscle memory for stripper clips. It would take a thousand+ rounds before I'd feel comfortable relying on that for self defense. I really like the concept, though, for several reasons. But, one of the big reasons for stripper clips would be to carry more ammo for the same weight as filled magazines, with less bulk. For a close-range self defense EDC, it's not really a big advantage worth factoring in when evaluating against an oddball like 5.7 vs. .380 or 9 mm, especially out of a 1 3/4" barrel. Start getting upwards from 2 1/2" barrel and really fast bullets start making more sense, as well as longer range use case.

I contend that if I'm going to rely on .380 out of a Bodyguard-like design, I'd like to be throwing the heaviest slug possible out of that short of a barrel at just slightly subsonic, best a soft point or even a hollow soft point (if there is one). I feel that would be maximum damage with the element of surprise at the intended 5 to 15 feet or so I would expect the use case to be.

So, yeah, I'm interested in data on a Bodyguard performing reliably with subsonic, heavy ammo. I'll be carrying a different beastie if I think I need to penetrate armor at 25 or 40 feet.

>>64154007
What if I install sights that are accurate for longer ranges and do a lot of dry fire practice everyday to the point it becomes muscle memory? Self defense sights with huge rear notches do not satisfy my autism, I enjoy the dopamine rush of seeing perfect alignment and feeling the crisp click, and getting it in less than a second from the holster a hundred times in a row.

>>64157207
What if you get a different gun? It's been explained a dozen times or more in this thread that the Bodyguard 2.0 does not meet the use case you describe. You're trying to use a screwdriver to hammer nails.

>>64158508
This.

>>64157207
Read the thread. BG 2.0 is not a 'modding' pistol (it's a tiny microcompact). Get something larger

>>64151815
>The takedown procedure really rubs me the wrong way, you have to tilt down the ejector.
It's for retard-proofing and so that's the "official" way to do it, if you wanna be a retard about it you can still pull the trigger to drop down the ejector, retard

>>64155353
5.7 out of a pistol is an enormous meme. Same energy as a .380 but instead it's a .22.

>I'd like to be throwing the heaviest slug possible out of that short of a barrel at just slightly subsonic, best a soft point or even a hollow soft point (if there is one).
There isn't. Your choices are hard cast flat nose (complete with the complimentary smoke screen) and ultralight solid copper designs. I remember seeing some 124gr target rounds that clocked in at a whopping 770fps.

>>64158539
>BG 2.0 is not a 'modding' pistol
You can mod the sights retard.

>>64158714
>hurr durr muh sights
That's because as discussed extensively upthread, midwit, the BG 2.0 is in most respects a micro-downsized 'full function' Shield/M&P handgun.
which doesn't mean you can modify it to the extent of larger handguns
Switching sights on any handgun isn't 'modding', it's switching the sights.

>>64158807
The guy's question was about the rear sight specifically you bumbling dumptruck fucker.

>>64158714
IMO best carry rounds on .380 are FN FMJ and copper solids. Less deflection than round nose FMJ, no under penetration concerns, no smoke screen. Honorary mention to .380 lawman, it's round nose but probably the most reliable FMJ out there in the caliber.
>HP
Only the hydrashok deep seems to reliably expand and penetrate adequately. I kinda question how much that means considering the low expansion and shape of the thing though. Sure, you can find plenty of examples of XTP loads performing adequately but you can find tons where they don't with only a small difference in velocity. I'd legitimately be concerned about per lot variations resulting in meaningfully different performance. IMO not worth it.

>>64160625
>"the guy's question"
No, he 64158714 sperged the fuck out about my original statement of the BG 2.0 not being a 'modding' pistol and went full retard:
>'n-no I kan change duh sights on it dat meeeeeeeens it's modifiable!!11111!1111!!!!!!! reeeetarrrrrrrrrrrrrd" -----64158714
who cares, sights can be changed on any non-fixed sight or no-sight pistol that doesn't mean the BG 2.0 is suited adaptable or appropriate for 'mods' like a larger size handgun is. (It's a tiny gun that doesn't have enough slide metal thickness to even mount a reddot)

I prefer the CSX tbqhfml

>>64130623
So it's the same size as a fatcat. Won't fit in your pocket, a useless piece of shit. This is the shitty version they release before the "fixed" version where it's actually a pocket gun. Don't buy it, tell the [SLUR FOR JEWISH PEOPLES] to make it in pocket gun size.

>>64161077
half an inch shorter, noticeably thinner
>Won't fit in your pocket
do you wear girl jeans? it fits all my pockets fine, even with a kydex holster

>>64161077
>"same size as"
No, the fatcat is thicker longer taller and weights 50% more than BG 2.0

>>64160765
>So many words whining about nothing
Next.

>>64161175
>hurr durr
He popped the cork. Could have just stfu

>>64161184
You've yet to make a case.

>>64161192
a "case" for *what*? He's the fucktard (that has a 'case' to begin with) whining about a tiny pistol being "mod"-able, and no the OP topic is never going to be that

>>64161120
He's right. I went to the store and put it in a pocket holster in one picket while my p32 in a pocket holster was in the other pocket. The bodyguard was visibly obvious I had a gun in my pocket in the same way a hellcat would be. If I want a belt gun why would I pick a .380 over a hellcat or p365? The bodyguard fails as a pocket gun and is a waste of time using it for anything other than that. They need to make it thinner and shorter.

>>64161123
Hellcat is 10% thicker and roughly 10% longer. Weighting a few more ounces is completely irrelevant to printing in the pocket too. Bodyguard fails at its one purpose of being an easily hidden pocket gun. Also having a short light striker trigger in your pocket is a safety disaster.

>>64161221
>'its one purpose'
If (You) want a no-holster pocket carry the Bodyguard 2.0 is definitely *not* that pistol irrespective of its size, due to the trigger.
Stick with an earlier-gen BG, or one of the other heavy-pull DAO micros

>>64158657
Oh, shit, I didn't realize that. I just used it the one time and read the manual assuming that was it. Thanks.

>>64161237
just use a safety bro, it's what it's in there for

>>64152310
What the fuck are you talking about? Ported barrel isn't retarded because it's in your pocket, it's retarded because it's a carry gun. If you have to shoot from any awkward or retention position you're going to get blasted in the face and neck by hot gasses, powder and maybe fragments of jacket. NEVER carry a comped/ported gun.
>but muh follow up shots
It isn't a race gun, your splits aren't going to mean shit when you have to shoot from chest retention and catch a blast of unburned powder to your face, damaging your eyes.

>>64160775
I keep carrying it with the 12 round magazine, now I'm wondering it I need to start lugging the 17 one around

>>64126014 (OP)
If you have to carry a gun on a belt use a gen 3 glock 19, if you have to pocket carry you should dress like a fucking adult doebeit

>>64162938
Adults dress themselves anon, it's time to stop letting mommy dress you lmao

>>64126014 (OP)

Love it. I think the bodyguard 2.0 should be the new go-to one and done gun for people who just want one gun for carrying. It's reliable, shoots great, easy as fuck to carry, holds 12+1 or 10+1, and is reasonably priced at $400 brand new (or cheaper some places)

It should be the new default first gun imo

>>64162991
>default first
idk if I would say that but I completely see and understand why you're saying it.
And agree it's a 'one and done' carry pistol; would fit that role for many.

>>64162991
>default first gun
No. If someone has between little and zero experience with handguns, they need to start off with something cheap to shoot and a barrel 4" or longer, mabe even up to 6" or 7". Also, small-ish caliber for light recoil. After putting 100-150 rounds downrange every two or three weeks over about 100 days (at least 500 total, closer to 1000 is better), THEN they are ready to shoot more challenging weapons. The very short sight radius of something like a Bodyguard is a miserable way to get introduced to handguns. Also, with about zero experience, nobody should be looking at a (micro-)EDC gun as their "first gun." You are not experienced or qualified to carry. Yet.

A good first gun is something like a Ruger Mark IV, a very easy to shoot plinker and target weapon to build up experience points & muscle memory. Then move on to something else. At that point, I would agree a Bodyguard in .380 is an acceptable weapon as a "first carry gun." It will still take adjustment for good accuracy, but it will be a relatively easy transition for cost, east of use, and a short range self defense weapon.

>>64163604
ok boomer

>>64163609
No he's correct. Especially about the short sight radius (for a beginner to pistol marksmanship)

>>64163609
>Oh Em Gee! 100 days??!
>You could die of old age before then!
>Worse, you might turn into a boomer by then!
Whatevs, zoomie.

>>64163604
If someone's going to get a second gun in the near future then, yeah, a .22 with a 4+ inch barrel is a great pistol to learn the basics on.
If someone can't afford to or isn't interested in getting another gun in the immediate future then it's better for them to have something that's a reasonable ccw.

>>64163865
>'isn't interested'
>'immediate future'
>reasonable ccw
If one is planning ever to ccw a handgun (i.e. *not* buy-the-gun, throw-it-into-drawer-forever not to be fired at all) then what he posted, stands.
Don't purchase or own guns at all if you never plan to use them or learn to do so.

If one is "interested" enough to purchase/acquire any handgun in the first place, then also have enough follow through and minimal additional effort to learn bare basic rudiments of handling/live ammo fire marksmanship with it. Otherwise don't bother getting a gun to begin with.

>>64158508
>>64158539

I still want to get narrower rear sights though. It's a confidence thing. I don't feel too good with wide notch sights because it makes my shot placement feel too random, it feels like I can't trust my life to it. I find myself spending more time nudging the gun around to properly align it with how wide it is. With normal sights I just see a glowing green blob in the notch and gun goes bang, with wide notches I spend a few extra milliseconds to make sure it's perfectly centered. I think I'm faster with narrower notches.

>>64162944
You are shilling for a children's gun you fucking retard

>>64163604
Here's what I always do to teach new shooters
>Few mags with a 22 pistol to get the basics
>Then switch to a 9mm, fullsize is better but g19 sized compacts work fine
>All at 10-15ft with targets on regular sized printer paper
>NEVER start with a microcompact (even a 380) because they'll develop a flinch

>>64166947
p.s. couldve worded it this way..

if I detect even a bit of a blurry glowing green blob in a narrow rear notch, I can pull the trigger and my shot placement will be good enough even at self-defense ranges. But with a wide notch, I tend to spend time making sure the whole blob is inside and well-centered, so to my muscle memory it gets the same results with a much slower time.

>>64167056
>he can't point & shoot at 15 feet
Then go ahead and replace the rear sight. It's already been pointed out that's barely a mod by most peoples' standards. Just fucking do it, faggot, and let it go already.

>>64167135
>He can't hit farther than 15ft with a pistol

>>64167136
Try me.

>>64167148
>Carries a 380
>Fragile masculinity
Every. Single. Time.

>>64167135
If I can point and shoot just fine at 15-20ft, why have sights that are only good at that distance? Might as well get sights that can reach further out, and leave self-defense ranges to point shooting, then I can have both close and longer ranges covered.

So, blacked out rear or contrasting color tritium dots?

>>64167153
>Carries a 380
I don't. I rarely carry at all.

SEE:
>>64141219
>>64155353
>>64145985

Also,
>Fragile masculinity
You don't know what this term means. You're thinking of faggots who open carry a .44 mag Redhawk or a fully-rigged tactikool AK into a Starbucks to make sure everyone knows how small their micropenis is. You wouldn't know I was carrying until after you were already dead.

>>64167776
>I rarely carry at all
>You wouldn't know I was carrying until after you were already dead
What did he mean by this?

>>64126014 (OP)
>Too big for pocket carry
>To small to shoot accurately at longer range
>Owned by people who refuse to get a good belt and holster for their 9mm

>>64168213
>>64168271
pussy manlet faggots ill beat your ass and you wont even know what hit you little bitch

>>64168330
>and you wont even know what hit you little bitch
Probably because you punch as well your aim lol

>>64168271
None of what (You) posted is factual, or relevant.

>>64168271
>too big
bro it can fit in my pocket perfectly fine and im your friendly neighborhood 5' 11"

>>64168413
>>64168513
>t.bitchwrists lardass

>>64169383
What blew up this time, your ego? Fuck off disingenuous zigger

>>64168330
NTA, but this is you proving him right on the fragile masculinity.

Bump. The bodyguard thread can never die

I think they should make a bodyguard 2.0 in .45 desu. Still 12+1 but don't increase the mag width or length so it still stays easy to conceal

>>64171592
Why stop there? Make it in .50 GI but it only cycles with +P+ loadings.

>>64145822
Walther makes a steel frame PDP and I'd like to buy one for fun but it's nearly 2 grand.

>>64172187
interesting, isn't one of the Arsenal / Archon pistols also metal frame?

>>64172253
>interesting, isn't one of the Arsenal / Archon pistols also metal frame?
No idea but someone is bound to have tried one of these, I don't get the point myself. I mean the PDP is meant to be a ready made production gucci competition gun but I'm not really sure why someone would buy a normal duty sized pistol with a metal frame when the polymer frame works perfectly well.

>>64172324
>2.0 Metal
weird didn't know these existed

>>64172324
>>64172334
Yeah, the M&P 2.0 is a fine weapon. Previously on /k/ there's been mention it's available in stainless, which has all my of interest. If the Bodyguard is available in stainless I would also be interested, especially what it would weigh in at.

>>64171443
Puccia lost faggot, TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH

>>64172466
>Bodyguard is available in stainless
Polymer frame can't be scaled down that much in such a small striker-fired design, retaining enough strength. It would need re-design in dimensional size (to be in steel/aluminum).
2.0 Metal has an aluminum alloy frame and stainless steel slide. Yes the Bodyguard 2.0 might ? be offered with a steel *slide*

really small, nice grip, worthless irons

>>64172324
This completely btfos the "You can't make a polymer frame gun out of metal because it won't flex" anon. Will he ever recover?

>>64174657
I wouldn't frame it that way, I think that simply making something engineered to be polymer out of milled aluminum with minimal re-engineering is stupid. Of course it's S&Ws own design to begin with so I'm sure they did the re-design work properly. But my issue is WHY, I really don't think there's a market for these metal frame conversions and I rarely meet someone who actually owns one. As for the long term wear on the metal frame vs polymer I have no idea I'd love to see some data though. I would suspect that 99.9% of owners will never notice a difference beyond the added weight and cost.

>>64126014 (OP)
not necessary when the g42 exists
>but muh capacity
show me one, ONE single self defense shooting by a civilian where capacity was insufficient

>>64175019
>show me one, ONE single self defense shooting by a civilian where capacity was insufficient
This is a retarded boomer lead brained spiral of an argument, it will always reduce to the fact that you are statistically more likely in your daily life to need a diaper than a gun.

>>64175052
gun companies told you you needed higher capacity and you obeyed like the sheep you are

>>64175019
>g42
Has been BTFO and made obsolete by the Bodyguard 2.0 the day it appeared last summer. It's still an ok pistol for those wanting a tiny glock (manual of arms) and it shoots better than most contemporary micro .380s but the S&W pistol is an order of magnitude better.

>>64175099
look up what obsolete means before you use it in a post

>>64175106
>hurr durr
(You) are the obsolete fucktard that still uses Glocks

>>64175109
making you upset was a lot easier than it should have been. i accept your concession.

>>64175112
enjoy the glockslop Obsolete Man

>>64175116
enjoy your notglock 2.0

>>64175121
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/now-with-the-s-w-bodyguard-2-0-is-the-g42-obsolete.2018475/

>>64175132
>linking to a forum to prove himself right
i already accepted your concession, you dont need to dig yourself deeper anon

>>64175087
>gun companies told you you needed higher capacity and you obeyed like the sheep you are
No I'm simply capable of counting, and with a modicum of reasoning I concluded that more ammo in a package that I can properly conceal is better than less ammo. And it's not like the higher capacity models are any more expensive anyway, so beyond being a lead poisoned contrarian what's your argument?

>>64126027
Once I played with my safety a bunch it got way less stiff. Also, it was really only hard to turn on vs off. Also the gross boomer at the gun store referenced some way to jam a paper clip in there to fuck with the spring to make it way less stiff but I haven't done that

Anyway it's a cool gun proper pocket sized with a pocket holster it looks like it's the size of my wallet

>>64175146
>and with a modicum of reasoning I concluded
sig concluded that for you when they made the p365 and you agreed because you lack critical thinking skills
>what's your argument?
scroll up. i know thats difficult for you but i believe in you buddy.

>>64175143
(You)'re the one hitched to Gaston's wagon, not me

>>64175160
>sig
Every company now makes micro compacts with more capacity than the G42, including GLOCK themselves. We both know you're not pretending to be retarded.

>>64161210
>If I want a belt gun why would I pick a .380 over a hellcat or p365?
Because I'm a recoil sensitive soft handed man, desu.

>>64175174
this response had nothing to do with the post you replied to, did you even read it?

>>64175175
>>64161210
>belt gun
Some people like and prefer a very light weight and thin belt gun for IWB (nothing to do with recoil or shootability) carry.

>>64175190
also fair
every time i stick my p32 in its kydex iwb holster i thank john moses browning

>>64161210
The bodyguard in a pocket holster literally looks like my boomer wallet (that I switched out since) tho I got the desantis with that blocking thingy

>>64175256
It's the desantis Superfly, it has some Velcro backing that really turns the silhouette into a wallet type square. I tried it with jeans and some sport shorts and it makes the gun super nondescript if not invisible

>>64175019
>show me one, ONE single self defense shooting by a civilian where capacity was insufficient
The murder of a spic comedian YouTuber known as "Mi Pana Gillito". Three carjackers came to steal his car after midnight, and he thought he could stop them with a Glock chambered in .45. They found him dead with an empty gun. He was able to take out one of the three carjackers before perishing, at least.

I had heard about one where an off-duty marine (so technically a civilian) was killed by an angry mob after his M9 ran out of ammo, but since I can't remember that guy's name, I guess we'll exclude that one.

>>64175382
>off-duty marine (so technically a civilian)
kek
was that his duty sidearm?

>>64176063
>was that his duty sidearm?
To my understanding, no, he was travelling from the base to his home in Cali while off-duty and was caught in a huge riot. It was his personal sidearm.

>>64177400
checked, never relax

>>64175281
Can recommend, I've EDCd the Superfly for the better part of 10yrs. I've owned three, sort of wore one out but it's still usable. Usually front pants pocket carry. Works great for PCP or LCP max sized guns.

>>64175019
I'll add another one ASP on YouTube has a CC video of one where two girls in a store front with revolvers both run dry and have to hide behind cover while the guy continues to shoot at them before eventually leaving

"Capacity never matters" is a meme

>>64178682
>"Capacity never matters"
Said nobody ever. Capacity *usually* doesn't matter for 99% or more of self-defense cases. Try to context an' sheeeit, nigga.

>>64178682
>two girls in a store front with revolvers both run dry "never matters" is a meme
(don't know which/didn't watch whatever video ^^that is) Are you talking about *store owners* that are defending against a thief inside of their establishment? Sounds like they should have a 15-round capacity semiauto (or a rifle). Not a concealed carry issue. Don't get into or seek out gunfights when concealed carrying. If you do seek out (or statistically expect to get into) gunfights while you concealed carry, then carry a full size semiauto with more than 10 round mag capacity.

>>64171592
Still am waiting for the Shield 45 Plus (<--new trigger/upgraded)

>>64174454
Name a micro pistol with 'worthwhile' irons

>>64126014 (OP)

Yawn. I don't see this gun being useful for anybody but women who can't shoot worth a shit.

>>64185975
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

>>64185975
What if I'm a petite feminine manlet boy with tiny hands, but I can shoot pretty decent?

>>64126027
>cons
>is .380
Saying dumb shit brings everything else you say in to question.
>safety is super fucking stiff
You better hope it is because for some reason you decided to carry a single action pistol and you don’t want it to put a bullet in your leg.
>>64126014 (OP)
Beretta 80X is a much better pistol and 380 carry option. You shouldn’t carry a pistol that isn’t DA/SA.

>>64184734
I have the 2.0. Maybe one more round but honestly just get a used Shield .40 if you want more power.

Yes .40 is more powerful than .45

>>64187068
>Yes .40 is more powerful than .45
It's really so weird that 40 went from ccw top choice to obscurity in like two decades. I guess the 10mm users teasing it "short and weak" contributed to this, but it really had a good niche, more power in same package as 9mm. It was so powerful it would actually blow up Glocks. And now, last glocknade joke was made over decade ago, and instead we just started putting 9mm into a smaller guns and called them micro compact XL.

>>64126014 (OP)
that's a smo pp

>>64188379
would like it even more if it was thinner

>>64187068
>>64188201
>.40 'more powerful'
not in a gun with that short of a barrel, it's just a blaster.
Yes .40 S&W is a great round but in a firearm designed from paper to handle it. The Shield .40 is based on the 9. Shield 45 is a different, larger-slide larger-frame more robust firearm
For a small/subcompact .40 I'd go with (for example) HK P2000SK or SIG P239

>>64186578
>Beretta 80X
Remember when EAA/Girsan tried to make a clone of this pistol with the Girsan MC14 T and the jerks made it more expensive rather than more affordable than the real thing.

>>64186578
>>64189789
again though, the older .380 DA/SA pistols are straight blowback. BG 2.0 is a true miniaturized polymer-striker pistol with Browning tilt-delay action. The "glock" pattern making up majority of pistols used today (for better or worse)

>>64186578
>>cons
>>is .380
>Saying dumb shit brings everything else you say in to question.
NTA - That's a legit con, but I'd agree it's a small, somewhat borderline one that doesn't really affect a gun this compact. .380 is a hell of a punch and it's well-matched for such a short barrel, but I'd still keep in mind something beefier if I didn't require such a small gun. Guess I'm saying, not a "dumb" thing to say, but it needs be said in full context. Not trying to shit on .380, but I wouldn't try to oversell it either.

>>64188533
They have the same barrel length.

I like it because it's so light and small I can have it on myself 24/7 and still have 10 or 12+1

Just a few minutes ago I was sitting on the couch in my PJs and suddenly there was a loud crash in the bedroom. I'm home alone other than my dog (big help he was, 75lb dog absolutely refused to come down the hall with me to look because he was scared) when I just had my 45 I'd keep it on my nightstand because it's too heavy to carry around. But I had my bodyguard in my PJ pocket so I just pulled it out then went to confront what I thought was someone who had broken into my window. Turns out a rotating fan had managed to fall off the dresser. Still though, if it was a burglar I wouldn't have actually had a gun if my 2.0 wasn't in my pocket

>>64193756
>They
Which?

>>64161120
>half an inch shorter, noticeably thinner
How do you lie to yourself when you can just look at your own image. Those are roughly the same size, you're splitting hairs. This is the shit version they release before releasing better versions, S&W is taking a page out of Jewger's playbook to boost sales. This is a nice looking gun with good dimensions for waistband carry, but only better than the P365 bunch if you're a grandma with weak wrists that needs a .380 instead of 9mm. They will release a pocket carry size one and hopefully a 9mm version that doesn't have to scale up too much. The current M&P that's supposed to be a P365 copy is way off in sizing and not selling because it's bigger. They needed to release an actually competitive gun for the micro family, but they're gonna make us wait for it and the stupid people will buy a bunch of useless shit models before the good one comes out.

Sorry gun company [SLUR FOR JEWISH PEOPLE]s you'll have to actually release a good useful gun if you want our money.

>>64194557
>walloftext 'boost sales'
It's not comparable to nu-SIGslop.
or the P365, at all whatsoever

>9mm version
?
that's the Shield. Already exists
There's not going to be 'versions' (apart from the OP picrel Performance, extended-barrel/ports) of the Bodyguard 2.0, it's designed too close to the bleeding edge of the dimensional overall size/chambering.

>>64194557
Hey retard reddits that way

>>64166973
>children's gun
?
if talking about OP topic (You) do not belong here.
Many small/micro pistols ought and are carried on belt holsters.
'Pocket' <--whatever that actually means carry is inadvisable for most if not all semiauto pistols without a specific custom pocket holster.

>>64190783
>again though, the older .380 DA/SA pistols are straight blowback. BG 2.0 is a true miniaturized polymer-striker pistol with Browning tilt-delay action.
Yeah, but who cares? The Bodyguard has the potential to be smaller; the Beretta the other guy recommended is easier to suppress, DA/SA, etc. There are pros and cons everywhere.

>>64198714
>the Beretta
is straight blowback

>"easier to suppress"
Nobody gives a flying fuck for concealed carry

>DA/SA
Getting out of the micro and into subcompact size class (if that form of action is what's most desired)
Most of the micro/pocket pistols are DAO

>>64199104
>is straight blowback
You sure do love talking about straight-up blowing back.
>Nobody gives a flying fuck for concealed carry
They make suppressors pretty small now. Some people do consider something like a Banish 9K or a B&T Impulse Jet Micro.
>DA/SA
>Getting out of the micro and into subcompact size class (if that form of action is what's most desired)
Yeah, that's specifically why the other guy mentioned the Beretta 80X. BTW, you can find a DA/SA gun that's small; look at the Beretta Bobcat and Tomcat.

>>64199151
>pistols that have existed for half a century
Who cares.

Nobody concealed carries with a suppressor (however 'micro' the pistol)

What do you think the odds are they'll make a .22 version? I'd love to get one so I could plink with it essentially for free

>>64200617
>plink with it essentially for free
I mean at that point you can just get a blowback BB gun and go even cheaper

>>64200649

That doesn't provide practice for shooting my actual bodyguard 2.0 that I carry daily though

>>64200662
Ah true, didn't know you meant as practice for your actual carry

>>64194367
the shield .45 and the shield 9/40

>>64200910
>shield
Yes we know they have similar or identical barrel lengths.
(excluding the Performance Center ones)

>>64202950
Apparently they didn't that's why they asked.

>>64203021
>"Apparently"
Yes they/we did. His original post was not clear what he was talking about:
>"they have the same barrel length"
>'they'
hence the 'Which?' response inquiry

All of us carriers on the board /k/
already know
that the Shield series of pistols from Smith & Wesson have almost identical barrel lengths.
We already know this.
His post about lengths of barrels in the Shield series pistols was superfluous and unnecessary, because the poster he was responding to (and everybody on /k/) already knows-knew that.

I can't be arsed to navigate through S&W's god awful catalogue of handguns. They need to start naming things better.

>>64126014 (OP)
Gen 1 was perfect size, but pocket carrying it for 7 years made me get into revolvers as the upgrade path, because the safety was so fucking finicky and was not guaranteed to stay in fucking place through jostling in a pocket holster. 2.0 has more capacity, but is a larger gun in a different class than the original, ergo don't care.
Striker fired micro pistols are by default suspect, DAO or bust. People that hated on the 1.0's triggers were manlets that could not into shooting.

>>64205718
>are by default suspect
>DAO or bust
You can still DAO if you want a 'pocket carry' gimp-grip two-finger pistol.
Bodyguard 2.0 changed the micro game, and striker fired is fine as long as carried in a holster (pocket or belt)

>'could not into shooting'
Sorry, gimp-grip two-finger with a tiny pistol isn't ideal or motivating. You can learn and train it sure

No gun has generated as much seethe as the BG2.0 and for all of the right reasons. Is it ruger jeet shills? It's fascinating to watch play out evertime a thread gets posted.

>>64203085
ok

>>64207899
Original July 2024 remains best:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62053127

>>64208235
really makes me think its third world shills given how they never post guns. the only one i can remember could be reverse image searched to a lcp posted to a forum years ago kek

>>64126014 (OP)
Great gun but the sights suck, the rear u notch is way too wide. Apparently the performance center models have a better rear sight, I've never tried one doe

>>64208311
Hopefully someone comes out with aftermarket options for it. The front sight is great though, but i agree the rear leaves a lot to be desired.

>>64208311
>>64211263
problem with these tiny / micro pistols is there's not much can be done to improve, with such a short sight radius

>>64212553
You don't need any sight radius with a dot.

>>64212633
>a dot
checked, you mean an optic?
Not going to happen for the Bodyguard 2.0 (though aftermarket external *mount plates* are being offered, BG 2.0's slide is too thin metal/narrow to have an integrated mount)
or most other tiny pistols that size/smaller
Defeats the purpose. Get a bigger gun

>>64208311
>>64211263
Here's a sight sets / replacements thread:
https://www.smithandwessonforums.com/threads/bodyguard-2-0-sight-sets.238557/

>>64207864
>striker fired is fine as long as carried in a holster (pocket or belt)
>fine
>holster
>pocket

How to tell me you've never pocket carried anything in a (pocket) holster for an extended period of time without telling me you've never done that shit, noguns.

>You can learn and train it sure
98.8% of the gun owning public hates DAO and can't into it. Anybody who actually knows how to shoot is actually fine with DAO and is a better shooter for it.

>>64215068
>hurr durr
Never heard of pocket holsters, nogunz?

>muh 'gun owning public'
Fuck off nogunz