Thread 64129257

Of all the agencies out there, who gets the best loadout? Secret Service, FBI, CIA, US Marshals, etc

>>64129257 (OP)
FBI gets to have dumb shit like the entirety of the .40 S&W caliber made for them. The rest just buy whatever and carry what fits in their clothes.

I don't know.

>>64129266

I thought the FBI carried G19s?

>>64129257 (OP)
The DOE, doy. Fuckin dumbass question, you should be ashamed.

Which one put more effort into aura farming than actually doing their job?

>>64129416

It takes effort to look cool

>>64129257 (OP)
Aren't all the loadouts for the feds basically the same anyway? Plate carriers, some AR variant, and a random semi auto handgun? There doesn't seem to be much room for specialty items or weapons like sub guns.

>>64129821
they just have sunglasses on though lol...

>>64129821
Grow up

>>64129991

Uncool person detected.

<---- /a/ is that way

>>64129828

I guess it depends on who holds the contracts. It used to be Colt, then they rested on their laurels and cut their QC, then went tits-up when the government called them on their laziness. I think most agents carry a Glock

>>64129828
>There doesn't seem to be much room for specialty items or weapons like sub guns
wacky shit happened in the past
The Department of Energy:

>>64129257 (OP)
DOD. Fuck civvy badge niggers

>>64130170

What sort of neutered shit is that

>>64129416
Why are you using gen alpha slang on a board who's average age is in their 30s and 40s

>>64130214

This is a boomer board

>>64129257 (OP)
I'm gonna guess the CIA gets the best toys since they're doing the deepest state's dirtiest work?

>>64130258
Bingo
CIA's Directorate of Operations gets to pick their toys from DoD. Feebs and Marshals can't drop bombs on people. JSOC is constantly doing hands on doorkicker shit for them. And when they can't use JSOC for deniability purposes they just get Ground Branch to go kinetic and be their own JSOC (With secret assistance from DoD)

>>64130214
This, the law enforcement field is old, dying and growing more irrelevant each day.

>>64130214
>you cant use new words one you hit 30. you have to just stay exactly the same until you die!

>>64130371
Adults don't borrow gay slang from melted brained children

>>64130371
Get a job, you are fucking old

>>64129257 (OP)
The SS.

>>64130374
>Adults don't borrow gay slang

t. man who says based
t. man who is going to invent some reason on the spot as to why its ok when he does

Secret Service by far. Briefcase SMGs, .338LM Sniper rifles with S&B Scopes, KAC bespoke rifles with MAWLs. They have all the super expensive concealable armor you've only read about like the Crye LVS

>>64129257 (OP)
Probably [redacted]. The other [redacted] isn't quite as cool but I imagine their shit is pretty good too. I guess CIA SOG probably has good shit too but the comparison is kinda apples and oranges.

>>64130193
9mm Shorty but that's too long, DOE 9mm ARs are like half that size

>>64130324
No, it's DoE again but a CIA enabled section that does international nuclear security. Treaty stuff. Making sure sloppy handlers don't get looted as shadows (sometimes). Check papers on 3rd world uranium sources.

Which agency gets the best head?

>>64130659
The Secret Service. There was a scandal about it and everything.

FEMA, don't worry about it.

>>64130659
If you're a furry, then it's the USDA.

>>64130659

CIA. Honey pots and all

>>64129257 (OP)
Anons on internet told me its the postal service, followed in second by the energy service

>>64129257 (OP)
CIA Paramilitary officers, the glowiest of glows

>>64129416
a major part of their job IS aura farming. enemies and adversaries would happily attack the group that look like scrubs. the cool looking, calm, and assertive, group though, no way.

>>64129828
the secret service has the best toys. they're the ones that are seen in the famous photo of the failed assassination. the one where there's an agent front and center holding an uzi, ready to kill.
there is also known to be false arms for the presidents close detail. you look closely at the ones next to the president, and for some of them, you'll notice one arm never moves. that's because it's fake. the agent is discreetly holding some kind of long rifle/smg under his jacket.

>>64131068
Bobby Wank was the most alive human being on the planet for the moments after those shots were fired. Imagine what was going through his head. This is it, the commies are making their move, it's time to fucking begin street sweeping operations.

>>64130383
Aw, is the little baby upset?

>>64130374
Bro thinks he’s him

>>64129257 (OP)
ground branch

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64130193
>we got MP5 at home
The real DoE version is kind of dope though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3R4JXTnFiA

Either the DOE, the NRO, or the NSA. CIA gets other people to do their dirty work, while they do in theory have access to anything in the inventory they mostly just paint targets. The DOE gets literal miniguns and belt fed grenade launchers to defend nuclear material sites (see the leaked report about projected civillian casualties at LLNL), the NRO has the X37b and every "weather" satellite they've ever launched, and the NSA has manufacturer level hardware backdoors on every single computer in the country. See also the leaked NSA catalog available to intelligence customers, with all the hacking tools and pinhead custom microcontrollers.

>>64129257 (OP)
It's all Glocks anyway.

>>64131830

Glocks the whole way down

>>64130453
Based was stolen from a crackhead rapper by 4channel users (me) circa 2007

>>64129257 (OP)
As a local cop, feds are seen as clowns for the most part. They're all training and no experience, with the exception of Marshals and Border Patrol. Those guys actually experience some shit so have good skills. FBI, HSI, and even SS are a total joke. I've worked with them all, SS one two occasions during presidential and vice presidential visits. Their uniformed division is a bunch of diversity hires that look like a ragtag security company. Their close protection agents again are all training, no experience. But when you only have to actually do tactical shit every 20-40 years during an attempted assassination, that's what happens. They get rusty and petty about shit that doesn't actually matter. I did private close protection for celebrities and billionaires and it was like that, the company had one shooting in 42 years. It was a complete joke, they didn't even carry with a round chambered because the need didn't exceed the liability. None of the drivers were armed and the actual close protection guys were armed less than half the time. The owner was an anti-gun Jew. Billionaires really aren't safe at all, but that was private security not the government side.

Out of all of them, Marshals has the best talent and tactics since they recruit from existing talent pools and actually go after tough as nails fugitives. They're decently equipped but not as much as they need. Their cars were old pieces of shit while the FBI and HSI roll around in new shit they barely even use and look for work because there's none to be done. BP and ICE have the highest budget of them all right now, I'd wager they're buying some neat stuff. BP has periodically had access to DoD assistance and equipment. One of my coworkers was a reservist pilot and got to go play down at the border chasing invaders in a helo. Literally would fly right over them as they ran and lead them into traps lmao.

>>64133082
Oh since you're all equipment obsessed notrainings, SS has the coolest shit by far. Due to their unique needs they can get unique things that wouldn't really have an application in law enforcement. They need a machine gun that pops up out of the ground? Pay a company to develop it. Need an armored car? Practically unlimited budget to make it. It needs a machine gun on top? Smokescreen? Flamethrowers? Done. We need small PDWs to fit under our jackets? Here's some P90s. They definitely have some cool cutting edge shit. For handguns it's usually a Glock, not sure if they have a policy to allow personally owned guns but they would have to be from an approved list. Glocks are just too cheap for government agencies to get that they get them. The rich bougie police agencies where I live are switching to M&Ps and FN509s. The Glock jamming thing is as big of a concern to us as the Sig self firing thing, not sure why it's not talked about on here more.

They're also unarmed when they travel most of the time. Yeah there isn't some international CC permit that allows you to travel to any country armed. They try their best to get special approval but often they go without and adapt their tactics to just getting the principle off the X and to cover/safe zones. When i did billionaire protection we were never armed when traveling.

>>64129257 (OP)
Texas Rangers and US Marshals

>>64133082

>FBI and HSI roll around in new shit they barely even use and look for work because there's none to be done

It seems like there's always work to be done though

>>64133162

>tfw no Berettas

Fuck the Army for falsifying their data and forcing new contracts

>>64133162
>The Glock jamming thing is as big of a concern to us as the Sig self firing thing, not sure why it's not talked about on here more
Because Glock is a cult

>>64133549
Nope, I live in a ~70% white area though. We had one HSI guy out on patrol, yeah I guess they do patrols, and he'd find the stupidest shit that obviously indicated he had no real law enforcement experience. They just hired some dumb college kid or cop reject. One time he calls for PD backup because he's got this "good stop" he's been following on the highway for a while. I rush out there thinking oh wow it must be something big. He pulls over an old native dude in a minivan with a mattress in the back because "that's a sign of human trafficking." The guy was working a construction job and was sleeping in the van between days. Story totally checked out but he just kept digging and digging, kept him detained for way too long grilling him about a big nothing. I wanted to dropkick him in his stupid fed face.

FBI don't do much outside their office but they'll go out and arrest a suspect in the area every now and then. They have a good number of straight up clowns, lots of diversity hires with no real experience. They're a good resource on bigger investigations, but HSI... they probably don't need to exist. It's obvious they're just federal government bloat. Just have ICE absorb them.

>>64130560
>.338LM Sniper rifles
They use .300WM.

>>64133082
>Billionaires really aren't safe at all, but that was private security not the government side.
I bet celebrities get the real operator security guards. Taylor Swift tactical will fuck you up and Lady Gaga has whatever Greek army of homosexual couples defeated the Spartans.

>>64129257 (OP)
US Marshalls should be forced to dress and arm themselves like this

>>64133655
Nope, most have GDBA or Crisis24. I can speak for GDBA being an absolute fucking joke. They're at least trained for the type of thing in your gif. That was a perfect example, one handles the threat the other gets the protectee off the X and out of the area. That guy was loud and obviously running towards so he was easy to spot. A close gun threat and she's gone, they don't have a real counter for that. They can only hope he doesn't have a good first or second shot so vitals aren't hit before they can get her running and cover her with their own bodies.

They do select for size/fitness, typically they get to pick their own guards. Sometimes they just pick someone with a British accent because they think it's posh to have a bodyguard with an accent. Lots of stupid politics in that field, and in the end it's just private security BS. Celebrities aren't rich enough for real professionals who need 100k or more in California. For a full time schedule that's like 10 guards minimum so a mil a year plus whatever the company takes. Most celebrities can't afford a 2-3mil a year expense or just don't want to pay it, so get part time bodyguards who are just going to be fat security guards. Professional close protection is only affordable to the ones who own the celebrities, not the millionaires but the billionaires who see the cost as pocket change. The ones I guarded were all agents, producers, major corp owners, some people you've definitely heard of and many you haven't. Can't say who because I signed a billion year NDA.

>>64129397
Literal meme. Incredible levels of "wish a motherfucker would" energy.

>>64129257 (OP)
Smithsonian Police Department.
Thanks to a typo in the CFR that authorized their establishment, they are legally required to carry revolvers and are stuck with them forever since it would literally take an act of congress to amend the regulation.

>>64133655
I saw a pic of some retired delta guy holding a musician's bedazzled Stanley cup at a concert

>>64133770
How often do the guards fuck the stars?

>>64133082
>The secret service: defeated by a sperg with a ladder

>>64133800
They did a company survey and 60% reported a client, gf or family of a client, or staff coming onto them. My client's daughter's friend was staying at their estate one day and came back drunk. Girl was a good decade and a half younger than me. The next morning I woke up. Which is very common, these are Hollywood degenerate types or just bored rich girls that don't always get to be around rough fit guys. They take what they want but it's never going to be serious since you're a lowborn. There is a caste system and the help are treated like shit. Like golem slaves, if you will.

>>64133851
>The next morning I woke up.
Man, I hate when that happens

>>64133630

I'm always confused as to what the FBI does that HSI/IRS/Marshals do because it seems like a lot of their arrests fall into a common area as the rest (financial crimes, terrorism, etc)

>>64134056
I swear they just keep inventing new ones every time I check
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#List_of_federal_law_enforcement_agencies_and_units_of_agencies
Acronym Full Name Short Description
FBI Federal Bureau of Investigation Investigates federal crimes related to national security, counterterrorism, organized crime, cybercrime, human trafficking, public corruption, and civil rights.
HSI Homeland Security Investigations Part of ICE, investigates transnational crimes, including human trafficking, drug smuggling, immigration fraud, and terrorism-related activities.
IRS-CI Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation Investigates financial crimes like tax evasion, money laundering, fraud, and violations of tax laws.
USMS United States Marshals Service Apprehends fugitives, protects witnesses, manages the transportation of federal prisoners, and enforces federal court orders.

So HSI is part of ICE (along with ERO and OPR)

>>64134112
Whenever there's a need to bolster enforcement of certain federal laws, they just make a new agency for whatever reason instead of putting the work on an existing one. It's broken up somewhat efficiently but there's some overlap. What doesn't make sense is Secret Service investigating money counterfeiting. That should probably be IRS or FBI. SS actually shouldn't really exist at all since Marshals handle close protection as well. They do judges and other high profile political figures, might as well do the president and congress members. I know a possible reason but it's controversial, and might be the reason why it's called Secret. They don't want ex cops in close protection because you see all the illegal shit rich people and politicians do and might report it or arrest them on the spot. Can't say what I wanna say because NDA and yes they do scour the web.

>>64134274

>What doesn't make sense is Secret Service investigating money counterfeiting.

That's the original reason they were created by ol' Abe Lincoln

>>64129257 (OP)
Does the CIA even have a loadout? I was under the impression they could get basically anything they wanted even illegal things if they were supplying guerillas

>>64131142
>Robert Wanko
rofl

>>64133770
>The ones I guarded were all agents, producers, major corp owners, some people you've definitely heard of and many you haven't. Can't say who because I signed a billion year NDA.
Well that was interesting. Speaking more generally, all the tech billionaires like Musk and Zucc and Peter Thiel surely have them. I saw a video of some schizo confronting Thiel and he had his dudes with him:
https://youtu.be/XJ_NohVsybA

>>64134281
>>64134274
fun facts:

- the USSS is basically the Common Ancestor from which a lot of other agencies (such as the FBI) were branched off (in that the first agents of the FBI - then DOI - were all Secret Service employees). You might think that the Postal Inspection Service or even the US Marshals are the oldest, but nope! The oldest are... the Park Police (founded by O.G. Washington himself). Be sure to win a bet at a bar with this.

- the USSS was (and still is, in a way) primarily an anti-counterfeiting agency. Only in 1901 did they start protecting the president (and later on other officials). In fact, until 2001 they fell under the department of the Treasury.

- with 4/47 presidents having been assassinated, POTUS has a mortality rate of ~ 8.5%, making it technically the most lethal profession in the US by far. In fact, only 1 agent ever died protecting the president from an actual assassination attempt, so it's safer being a protective agent than the actual president.

>>64134274

>Can't say what I wanna say because NDA

Cool larp, bro. Let me guess, you were a SEAL as well

>>64134133

It's comforting to know that I could probably outrun all of these broads

>>64134302

I think it depends entirely on what the job entails. Greasing the palms of some shithead warlord in Africa? Likely going to need a full loadout. Getting dirt on some pervert European politician? Just a handgun should do the trick.

>>64134414
I do not understand the “joke” or the “Rambo.” I am in a high-risk job. It is not the Mall of America, but Ill tell you what its no podunk mall either.I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!Also, someone said that my Tac Team doesn’t get training. Not true. We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup. We also practice unarmed combat. I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls. I don’t think any of you are working as hard as I am to be prepared. I asked a serious question about tactical armor and I wanted a serious response. If you want to laugh at somebody, try laughing at the sheep out there who go to the mall unarmed trusting in me to stand guiard over their lives like a God.

>>64134056
The FBI is a domestic intelligence agency that often helps solve crimes, being part of the IC sets it apart. Within the various crimefighting agencies like DEA/HSI/ATF/Marshals there is a lot of overlap, but each one has a specialty where they've built up a lot of institutional knowledge, like I know ATF's thing is having longterm undercover agents.
I could be completely wrong, this is just how I've come to think of it because it's a confusing system.

>>64133082
>As a local cop
Lol, opinion immediately discarded.

>>64134358
Those are probably c24 guys and they seem pretty amateur. That medical bag is tiny, my company made us carry big ones with all sorts of unnecessary shit. They're definitely unarmed too given the European plates. The only exception is sometimes the company has guys from commonly traveled countries employed and they have armed guard or CCW credentials there, but typically it's their same guard team from the US so they can't be armed.

>>64134414
Nope, military guys are retarded and I hate working with them. I'm probably more like a Chris Langan but just choose to be a local cop in a nice small town because it fits my base desires best. I'm only giving info in case people are interested in the field, but having seen both sides those close protection guys are a joke compared to cops but I mean they're literally security guards. If billionaires want real protection they should just employ ex cops with LEOSA permits or poach currently serving cops for a higher salary.

>>64134637
>as a notraining
Opinion immediately discarded and reply not even compl

>>64134532
FBI is the fed gov's detective bureau, NSA is a domestic intelligence agency. I think they're moving to make HSI a patrol division of the fed gov...

>>64129257 (OP)
The CIA.
Specifically, the Directorate of Science and Technology. 50 years from now there's going to some interesting tech coming to light, if at all.

>>64134726
They do detective work, but the FBI is also in charge of rooting out spies and stuff like that, which is why they're the intelligence agency that's specifically allowed to operate domestically.
The NSA does signals intelligence, spying with tech basically.

>>64134734
like what?

>>64129257 (OP)
there are a bunch of black budget departments who basically get custom orders for what they ask for and the public 'should' never hear about it.
that said, i'd expect the cia paramilitary likely have a decent kit, given the cia budget (and the budget we don't hear about)

>>64129257 (OP)
USSS or ICE probably gets the cool new stuff with all the money currently flowing towards them. US Marshals definitely do not, their budget sucks ass.

>>64135442
>US Marshals definitely do not, their budget sucks ass.
SOG gets 2011s

>>64133162
>>64133583
if nothing else there's a lack of data. people always say "limpwristing is just an inherent problem of recoil-operated handguns and is exacerbated by lighter frames" and this seems to be true but no one is really doing tests to quantify it or prove that glocks are actually worse about it and not just known for it because they're the most popular handgun. you can find videos of people doing limp wrist tests with a handful of pistols on youtube but they're mostly glocks and metal-framed handguns. I have a hard time finding limp wrist test of most striker-fired polymer 9mms. is it harder to limp wrist a vp9 than a glock 19? I don't know, I can't find a single fucking video of anyone doing a limp wrist test on a vp9 and nobody else can either. it just ends up all being speculation, shitflinging, and brand whoring.

>>64134726
The FBI has a pretty big counter intelligence division

>>64134726
NSA collects SIGINT, whether it's foreign or domestic.

>>64135635
Are they technically banned from spying domestically the way the CIA is? I understand there was some sort of legal fallout from the Snowden leaks but not what it all meant.

>>64135658
No agencies are allowed to spy on Americans, unless given probable cause. Now, the NSA collects so much information that they might accidentally pick up data on Americans while surveilling foreign adversaries, but I don't know how they specifically handle it.

>>64135542
My smith is really hard to get to limp wrist fail. The grip angle might have something to do with it

>>64135542
Somebody message the big youtubers who own a lot of different guns to do such a comparison. One of them did not long ago but didn't have all the big polymer strikers. I think the issue is polymer sucking in general but people just think it's a normal thing now to make a gun out of cheap plastic.

>>64134726
>NSA is a domestic intelligence agency
No, it isn't, and you're a moron. The only domestic intelligence agency is the FBI, our secret police like the Gestapo or the KGB/FSB. The NSA is the top-order foreign surveillance signals intelligence agency.

>>64135695
You are also a fucking retard. The NSA collects all the signals being broadcast anywhere on or near this planet and processes them without any legal standing to do so. It is not accidental, it is deliberate.

>>64133082
1811's are for the most part, not tactical. They're investigators; they sit behind a desk for 90% of the job. To compare that to what a patrol cop or SWAT does is ridiculous, they're totally different jobs.

>>64135724
Nothing I said was wrong, you seem to not understand the difference between collection and processing information into intelligence, plus domestic and international law.

>>64135717
The data is there if you type limp wrist failure into Youtube and go through a few videos. It does not look good for Glock, it does by far the worst with the exception of a few random polymer guns doing just about as badly. /k/'s precious M&P doesn't do well either but the retards never seem to specify whether it's the 1.0 or 2.0 model. Either way polymer guns don't seem to do well at these tests, and I've seen failures in enough shooting videos to say ok I might fuck up too and want something that will mitigate the risk of said fuck up costing my life. I'm gonna look into a metal frame hammer fire, simple as.

>>64135787
WRONG.

https://youtu.be/tcjhUpmIpCM
https://youtu.be/wyhMV2Hz6Mc
https://youtu.be/qWI7kkXhyR0
https://youtube.com/shorts/O9BbELcBPmU

Multiple calibers tested, metal and poly frame tested, different people testing, and they literally cannot get the 2.0 to malfunction. The 2.0 is an acknowledgement that polymer guns had problems and a solution. Meanwhile Glock with their gun they refuse to fix:

https://youtu.be/Jh9JhCyFFxA
https://youtu.be/H_Uqtz2asE4
https://youtu.be/fsewsolPyBU
https://youtu.be/matfkJPM3iA

Multiple people, multiple models, failures across the board. Glocks are pieces of shit. What I take from these tests is you can either get an M&P or steelframe or be prepared for a failure. USP doesn't do too bad either but the only one I see not failing consistently is the M&P even more so than many of the metal frames.

>>64135871

Sad cope

>>64137397
You can ignore the evidence, it's still notoriously a piece of shit.

>>64129416
the Secret Service actually does shit - they handle counterfeiting and monetary fraud and most of what they do is unglamorous desk forensic shit

my answer: small city police departments

>>64138886

Small city police departments got a fuckton of new gear after 9/11... almost as if it's by design

>>64129416
Secret service. Most of their job is giving the impression of invulnerablity

>>64138898
>Muh police militarization
Police departments were already getting armored vehicles during the 70s

>>64139140
police departments have been getting free milsurp from the federal government since literally the beginning of professionalized law enforcement; navy blue is synonymous with police because the government gave away surplus civil war uniforms in the late 1800s when many departments were forming.
Pic related, a Korean War surplus M75 APC used by NYPD in the 60s

>>64139140

How do I get one of these bad boys? Asking for a friend

>>64129257 (OP)
USSS can carry P90s and FiveseveNs - so them

>>64131142
and yet they didn't fire a single shot in defense of Reagan.

In fact, not until that fuckboy nearly off'd Trump did the Secret Service ever fire a shot in defense of a President

>>64133837
I don't think they were defeated- it's just that they have failed so many fucking times it's laughable. Yeah he's the worlds most powerful man (and always should be a man!!!) but god damn if they don't have an awful track record of letting people take shots at our President. Last time a woman in in charge, makes you think!!!!

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>>64131142
He should've finished the job

>>64134358
They're in yurop so way less worries about a crazy with a gun there. Anywhere where it's a real concern those guys will be ready to roll

>>64139890
YEAH BECAUSE ALL THOSE BATACLAN PEOPLE STABBED TO DEATH RIGHT?

>>64130214
its still summer

>>64140319
yeah man when kids have to go to school for 7 hours a day they can't possibly find time to post on 4chan

>>64139550

No you're thinking of Stargate

>>64135758

I don't know of anyone who would apply to a 1811 position and expect to kick down doors regularly. It's akin to the dipshits who think every day in the military will be like Call of Duty

>>64142499
USSS PSD carry them, I have seen it with my own eyes when Dick Chaney came to Butts Army Air Field (Yes, Dick flew into Butts)

>>64133779
you know what kind of wheel guns? something cool like postal inspector stuff or just smiths model 10s

>>64143982
Why is everyone so obsessed with P90s and Fivesevens? Piece of shit varmint caliber.

>>64144555
People like them cause they’re cool-looking and unusual. The 5.7 (and 4.6) are otherwise dogshit cartridges and the p90 is a 6 pounds wide-ass hunk of shit that is twice as big as it needs to be for what it is. Bullpups and other unorthodox firearm architectures look good on paper but really end up being trash. Mag in or in front of the grip, below the action, is the crab of rifle architecture.

>>64144555
5.7 makes perfect sense to use if you're expecting assassins (i.e. soft body armor at most)

>>64144555
good penetration, tumbling round, very light, they are perfect for PSD

>>64139569
kek

>>64144685
Just use copper 9mm bullets, they pierce soft armor and actually leave a big hole in the flesh. They aren't limited by the low mass of the 5.7

>>64144691
5.7 will never be a duty round because it lacks penetration, it consistently can't pass the minimum 12" of ballistics gel. It's too light and lacks the mass a duty round needs, and btw this means it's not even up to par with handgun rounds let alone rifle rounds. The round struggles to pass light barriers like a car door and not deflect too much, a windshield absolutely fucks its effectiveness. They can zip through soft armor but don't do much on the other side because it's still a baby round. Tumbling only happens under ideal barrel length, velocity, range of target, composition of target. I'll take a heavy round that just fucks regardless of any factors any day, and really it doesn't need to be all that heavy. 9mm is sufficient, we are really talking about going BELOW 9mm for a duty round? It's getting a bit too small at that point, and 5.7 is almost half the diameter of 9mm...

>>64143982
In 2011 they started phasing them out. Nowadays they mostly sit in the armory.

>>64145227

Why is that? Ammo too expensive?

>>64146843
Because it was a 90s meme and has since been proven to be shit.

>>64146843
No, they don't care about the cost of ammo, they just determined that both of the PDW they had (p90 and MP7) used bullets with worse terminal ballistics than regular SMG. You have to shoot someone with more bullets to take them out than if you'd just used a 9mm gun.

DOE NNSA

>>64145227
shit, that sucks

>>64148656
The fact that it's in an armory means that an agent could ask for one (in case you were planning on joining the SS), but most of the agents to use one went back to SMGs or 10" ARs.

>>64129416
>aura farming
Still no idea what that retard term is supposed to mean, but I advise you to kill yourself asap.

The Fort Bragg Cartel

>>64147609

>they don't care about the cost of ammo

Duh, it's the Feds, they shell out more money on stupid shit than anyone else

>>64150071

I think the term means they're trying to project an image of toughness

>>64133775
How does that translate to them not having the best kit? What other Fed agency has m134s and Mk 19s, not as special loadouts but as regular employments?

>>64150844
The funniest part is that they don't even use taxes to pay for anything. The tax money just disappears into thin air, and treasury credits contractors directly with money created on a computer also out of thin air. Our entire economy is fake lol

>>64151062

Money is just made up, man

>>64152329
this but unironically

>>64129257 (OP)
what loadout do DOGE agents get

>>64152954

Calculators lmao

>>64150888
DOE Federal Protective Forces aren't more or less outfitted than any Fed SRT team. The main difference is that they are shoot first, ask questions never. If they get pulled over by a cop while transporting nuclear material, they shoot that cop if he tries to open the door. And they are legally allowed to.

>>64153840
>If they get pulled over by a cop while transporting nuclear material, they shoot that cop if he tries to open the door. And they are legally allowed to.
I have no idea where you get this idea from
Their just going to explain to the cop what their doing an be on their merry way
https://youtu.be/k8yLYLSzoIw?si=cvP5KuE7qfSQ0NAK

>>64153840
>If they get pulled over by a cop while transporting nuclear material, they shoot that cop if he tries to open the door. And they are legally allowed to.
I have no clue where you got that from
https://youtu.be/k8yLYLSzoIw?si=cvP5KuE7qfSQ0NAK

>>64129397
Probably true, during my first week on picrel (2006) I wheeled out a huge Blackhawk gear bag, Blackhawk diver bag and another gear bag filled with so much gear (the best being the PVS-21’s, MBITR and cool access badges). Ironically we had hand-me-down Glock 19s from DHS if you didn’t want the G17.

>>64130594
This guy dropping some rare knowledge. When I was on, one of these runs was peak coveted TDY, never got to myself. The swag is also first rate.

>>64133082
The guys who go from a field office to PPd have to go to CAT school, which is pretty squared away but my knowledge is dated pre-woke BS. The problem with USSS POTUS and VP details are they have so many agents detailed and from the FO’s that you’ll be standing a post in a stairway nowhere near the VIP and you are aren’t doing anything cool. Many of the smaller details like FBI Director, CIA DPS/GRS, State MSD will have the agents doing a lot more actual protection shit, be way closer to the VIP, lead advances and CAT teams, and do more with less. I worked with some of the DoD PSD teams who seemed pretty squared away too.

>>64153870
I got pulled over once driving the PDB out to the boss and I just chatted with Fairfax County and told him I’d be on my way but some of the guys on my team said o should’ve have pulled over at all. Wasn’t about to make a big deal pissing contest.

>>64153840
PSD teams in general are going to shoot first vs escalating use of force continuum and “de-escalate”.

>>64150888
CIA GRS has Mk46’s, HK 40mm and AN/M14 grenades (for blowing disabled vehicles).

>>64142539
>>64135758
I was on the USMS RFTF when working for another fed agency (non-high speed) and I probably did more real cops and robbers shit in 1.5 years than I did in the previous 20. My regular 1811 assignments included violent crimes and CBRNE, so it was unique in the sense I was running out the door and doing first responder shit more than big lengthy cases. But as a former cop; I always liked working with the locals.